Legacy, we have energon weapons. Ok why? What do they do? Legacy, we don’t know? But get ready for evo-fusion. Side note. My local Walmart still has a peg full of Skids and 4 Galvatrons & Blitzwings Also-also where’s my Beast Machines Tankor & Jetstorm?
Oh Blitziwng is everywhere, and I don't think he's going anywhere. As for Tankor and Jetstorm, hopefully eventually. Though please no other BM characters.
Legacy so far Y1) Practically an extension of kingdom Y2) Testing and capitalizing on the demand for different continuities Y3) Goin’ Bananas 3: in 3-D
My POV on Legacy Legacy year 1: Wait, people like it when we’re accurate to something other than a 40-something cartoon that’s not even accurate to itself? (Bulkhead is good and Knock Out is alright, but Arcee is definitely the worst of year 1 when it comes to unnecessary G1ification) Evolution: Indeed an evolution in the right direction, but not without its stinkers United: We haven’t had a bad figure aside from “Cyberverse” Chromia and even then she’s a retool of an already good mold
I actually did complete legacy menasor and frankly I have no regrets with doing so being the first comnbiner I ever completed (I got in too late into combiner wars and I missed power of the primes due to being power of the primes) honestly I feel that each member ranges from just inoffensive to really good and I love how they look as a team and when combined
Same thing for me, if you don’t count my ko superion where silverbolts arm fell off. The figures go for insane prices on the aftermarket so it felt like a miracle every time I found one
I'm still seeing quite a lot of these figures at my walmarts and targets, I'll always be seeing legarcees, kickbacks, skids, crankcase, blitzwings, and armada Starscreams, oh and also like 20-30 coronation starscreams that refuse to go on clearance, and yet a month in and still no new things
I got lucky and found Bludegeon and Shrapnel at a Walmart. Still seeing lots of legacy figures, though the Strongarm wave from Evolution looks to be a close second, with SS85 Arcee and Airazor also being peg warmers.
I think legacy is my favourite line as it give more designs especially really obscure ones like jhiaxus a shine. And some absolute bangers like armada prime,tarn,the nemesis,victory saber etc.
Same man. All the unreleased G2 toys getting modern renditions was crazy news for anyone who likes obscure history. Same for the things you mentioned, and just more Japanese stuff like Galaxy Shuttle, Metalhawk, Minerva
It is super cool to see that, I just wish the Quality were a bit higher consistantly. Figures like Starscream should not be ruined by their QC, and Figures like Kickback should not be so underengineered.
The Stuntacon set was so infuriating to me. Not because I don’t like them I actually really like it. (It just sits up on a shelf in combine mode), but from how hard it was to pick up every figure besides Dragstrip and Breakdown. Seriously it took me a year to finally be able to pickup Motor Master on Amazon that wasn’t $180, and by the time I did I spent nearly $190 on two commander class as my Armada Prime came literally 3 days later.
I got Legacy Bombshell a while back for my birthday and I'd say the worst part about him is the risk of losing the partsforming guns for his insect mode, so otherwise he's surprisingly decent.
6:37 there is no continuity at all between the 2 just watch Cybertron you basically need to no nothing going into it (what little continuity does exist is just Hasbro changing the dub to try and force it to make sense)
@@PerspectiveEnd you ever considered watching the Japanese version of Energon then? It’s genuinely great, it turned energon from one of my least favorite to my like 2nd favorite Transformers show. Superlink is sooooo good.
9:30 “as we can see here it’s a wild rider alt mode attempting to hunt the poor old litte wheelie alt mode but fortunately for the wheelie the wild rider is so shit that it can’t move”
Ik you’ve probably heard this a million times but even in America, Cybertron really isn’t a sequel to Energon. There’s a throwaway line about Unicrons death in Energon being the catalyst for the whole story(if I remember correctly… I was 6). And an Energon character or two cameo in the final episode of the show and they don’t even talk, but that’s pretty much it. The show blatantly contradicts Energon and Armada like I’m pretty sure it’s the autobots first time ever on Earth when they arrive. When two characters combine, someone says something about having never seen two transform combine like that before… even though that was the whole gimmick of Energon… etc etc.
Legacy was when I truly got into transformers, learning about the community was so much fun. However it’s also when I learned about the horrors of hasbro QC. 😢
0:51 Regarding figure shipping, where i live its kinda an issue considering the only figures i was able to find a lot of from legacy were either legend, elita-1, galvatron and laser prime. Which kinda sucks considering i barely order anything onlin.
Here in the Land Down Under, we have such weird distribution. We can get exclusives really easily, but regular releases just don't show up. There were so many SS 102 Optimus Primes on the shelf, but Core Class Swoop and Snarl never made it here, so we literally can't complete Volcanicus without importing from overseas. Also no Dreadwing.
Yeah, I'm hearing so many strange things from Australia. Like you guys are getting things MONTHS before I think there's even a chance they end up here, but then you don't git other stuff EVER.
@@PerspectiveEnd we got Motormaster before everyone else, but at the same time one of our local stores only recently (within the past month or so) started stocking Legacy Evo Wave ONE and SS86 Ironhide
If you look at the Box of the 1988 Pretenders Skullgrin you can see the vehicle mode looks pretty much identical to what we got in Legacy aside from a few things being a little bit different. so while the concept art was really cool, they didn’t just invent some nothingness here it is actually trying to be the old toy’s alt mode
Now that I think about it, wouldnt Lega-cee be a better mold choice to repaint into Cyberverse Chromia than Animated Prowl. I mean, despite she shoulders being a little too broad, it would be a closer resemblance the Chromia and even has the 4 wheels
You are correct, it would make way more sense, though honestly at this point I'm glad to not, cause the mold is over used and only OK, the Prowl mold is a better toy.
After seeing this video about Legacy Retrospective (and knowing Hasbro kinda feel off in sales in 2023), I can imagine the next Retrospective about Legacy Evolution starting with "it has a lot of promises", until digesting the figures one by one only to turn out it's more underwhelming with some being great while the rest just sucks.
6:35-ish you don't need to watch energon before cybertron. cybertron only pays the barest amount of lip service to either energon or armada to the point where it's a different continuity in all but name. with that said you might still not enjoy it given that it's very much in the super robot side of the franchise
I get that, but there's this stupid little voice in the back of my head telling me I need to watch everything first. And maybe. It's a strong possibility I don't care for it. But who knows right now.
Perspective I finally got laser prime and your review was actually very accurate and Its now one of my favorites in my collection. Also a figure I highly recommend you review is thrilling 30 sky byte. To me its a phenomenal figure
Wait they made a T30 Skybyte? And I'm glad that you are liking the Optimus so much, though I would recommend never getting another. It's a great figure to have ONCE.
Around Christmas time last year Walmart were selling 2 packs of both legacy and studio series figures it was a buy one get one free deal cause the 2 packs were $25 each
I have a theory that Legacy Bulkie was a mold Hasbro had laying around for a while and didn't know what/when to use it, nor what universe to put it under, so, they released it under the Aligned Continuity/Prime Universe, and called it a day.
Countertheory: he was meant to be a what-if G1 Bulkhead before the idea of doing designs from all the Transformers media minus the movies became the central focus of Legacy/Evolution/United and he was promptly given a Prime Bulkhead noggin in order to match up with his wavemate Arcee.
I actually had my dead ends head area snap off. Its where the head attachment tilts back with that pin? Yeah that snapped clear off, paid $45 for a Japan import no less
12:46 you see pointblank is one of those misfortune figures who's meant for good but oh BUT they have to cut the budget somewhere else and thats the reason why he doesn't have the god's mistakes arms and an alt mode which is serviceable but for diehard fans he's a bit lackluster. If not for budget i can see that this figure might become one of the best figures with the incorporation of the target master etc
I think the lack of a coherent theme might've stifled some of the designers. Trying to design wildly different characters to all fit in the same toy line can't have been easy, going from a car robot one day then a fire ant the next. While some thrive on that, some is not all.
I don't know if you remember my comment on your starscream video, but I owe you an apology, after messing with it more I realised that I had the qc issue on BOTH my legs, which seemed to have just gotten worse over time which is why I didn't notice it at first. But you were right. Also the way I view legacy, is just how fun it was, (like how you mentioned in your trash master video) sure there were a lot of not great ones, but most every figure I got was just fun. Like how we got a lot of cool and somewhat obscure characters, Gimmicks kinda came back with laser prime as well. Legacy felt more like toys than just display pieces, which reminded me why I collect in the first place. (to have fun)
I don't remember the comment, but it's fine, even if I didn't I wouldn't take any offence to anything you said, and I'm just sorry to hear that yours is now doing the thing that everyone else's is doing. And yes, I will say that despite the quality of a lot of the toys, what legacy seems to have done is captured a sense of fun and surprise.
@@PerspectiveEnd I met Peter Cullen at a con a little bit ago and I took a photo with him and just sorta stood there because I was nervous lol. I'm thinking about getting the upgrade kit for him. The face doesn't really bother me but I want the poesable fingers.
Honestly, I don't necessarily mind Blitzwing's jet mod if the tank turret (which is supposed to be lined up with the rest of his tank kibble) is pulled out under the jet's belly, and has the turret in it's condensed form, as it feels a bit more balanced out to me, as it better makes a visual angle from nosecone to back of jet instead of a harsh 90 degrees. It also kinda reminds me a little of the underbelly turrets on some actual planes, even if the Soviet MiG-25 would never logically have one.
@@PerspectiveEnd The tank is in general passable to me personally, but the nosecone in tank mode was unnecessary and does visually break it at a number of angles.
5:54 that will do, I still think it’s the best chug combiner by far or at least better than the combiner wars menasor, although I’m only gonna get motormaster anyways
Like as a team, or just as Menasor? Because if it's just Menasor, then wouldn't it be just as good as a large figure, if the component bots like Wildrider are TRASH?
This is why i cant agree that we’re in the Golden Age of transformers.. Figures are more expensive than ever and not perfect enough to justify getting. Honestly i wouldnt recommend any toyline of transformers to get into at this point given the prices. Look at classic figures and theyre too inaccessible for newer fans, modern figures are too mid and expensive to consistently get. ROTF and 2010s era was way better in nearly every way besides poseability.
Really I think the fandom is still just Riding a High from how cool Siege was. But the quality drop off was IMEEDIATE and harsh as soon as it was over.
I really think you’re hating too hard on Wildrider and blitzwing, yet not hating enough on dragstrip. I won’t retype it, because I’ve discussed it with you several times. Great vid man.
Blitzwing is basically a RED figure, and Whildrider sucks in every way. Honestly it probably should have been on the worst of year list, but I think I forgot it.
It explains why despite the bad distribution, many of legacy's first year figures have been shelf-forming even into the toyline's third year. There were a few bangers, but most of the series was kind of sub-par. I do at least feel that year 2 was genuinely an evolution in some ways for the toyline. It also stumbled here and there but it came out stronger in my opinion than year one
I always find I don't agree with about half of your opinions in these videos, but I still really enjoy how you express them.Your presenting style is really funny, well done mate. I'm in the UK and I did alright with the last few Kingdom / Legacy / SS86 really. I think I got most of what I wanted for reasonable price, but I paid £35 for Cosmos ( about $45 ) and - you're going to hate this - £40 for Dead End ( about $50 ) because I had all of the other ones and I wanted the complete set. I did only pay £45 for Motormaster in a sale when he was costing £90 everywhere else though, so it balanced out I guess! I really enjoyed Iguanus too and also thought Bombshell was a 2/3 at best. Boo.
With united just starting when can we expect to see the evolution retrospective? I really enjoy these as someone who can't always get all the figures I'd like to. It's just nice to look back on the line as a whole and appreciate what i did get.
I plan to do it sooner rather than later yes. And I'm glad to hear that these videos have that effect on you. Also are you Alicia Kobayashi, or am I mistaken?
Thankfully you didn't do that, and the Icon at the same time, because then I would have lost track of you. Too many people change both at once, and then I start to worry cause I haven't heard from them in a while (Or so I think) or they just launch into a conversation with me like I'm supposed to remember one we already had, when I don't know who I'm talking to.
@@PerspectiveEnd luckily I very rarely change my icon, the name however on here at least is all youtubes fault as part of an update, also I do apologise if you haven't heard from me in a while, since late November I had major burnout with transformers and stopped buying them and watching content based on them but now I'm back on board and I'm enjoying them again, so I'm slowly catching up on your videos that I missed 💜
Can't wait for you to review Legacy Shadowstriker and Detritus to reveal they're the worse toys of their line, showing that I wasted money on the only two goddamn figures I could find
I got legacy united bumblebee and if you see him, get him, don't worry about the size He's not as good as I made him out to be. He earns the deluxe price but barely
Fun fact: I don't care about G1 accuracy. To me, I think it's stupid to expect perfection from designs that came from a show that was wildly inconsistent. The reason I'm saying this is because I love every G1 figure from this line. Every one. Especially Elita, and surprisingly Blitzwing. Just wish they did a selects version for a Diaclone scheme, since I think that just that colour change would fix the weird design since it's not trying to be a character.
I don't think G1 accuracy is Vital. That's why I love the TR Blitzwing so much, it wasn't accurate, but it was good. So my problem with the Legacy one is actually it's G1 accuracy. Why is the tank dick there at all. If that part didn't exist it would be a better toy.
You make some solid points, especially for Blitzwing and the Pretenders. I hard disagree with you about the Stunticons. I love the set sans Breakdown. Maybe a little on Dead End's QC issue in car mode. Bulkhead is straight awesome. I just wish he had a better reach with his arms. I don't care for the Prime Arcee mold even though I own 3 of it (PArcee, Road Rocket, Ariel). Knock Out really did get a meh robot with a fantastic car mode. All the Beast Wars stuff RULES. Pointblank NEED the upgrade kits and Toyhax labels to raise him from terrible to okay. The only Insecticon I thought they missed the mark on was Bombshell, and I don't get the hate for Skids or his mold mates other than color. All in all, Legacy Year 1 was hit and miss but it does get a bit better.
My problem with the Wildrider and Breakdown, is just that they feel like a Downgrade on the CW versions. When most of the engineering is the same, where did our money go. It's smaller, it's tolerances are worse, it's clearances are worse, the elbows bend less. Like I'd have been pretty ok with it if it was the same thing as the CW, but had a serious posing upgrade. And outside of feet, it really didn't. I only have 2 of the Arcee, and I wish the only one I had was Flamewar, which is one of the ones I didn't pick up. And the thing about Pointblank, is it's my personal Philosophy to only REWARD good figures with Upgrade kits. If you are trying to make a bad figure tollerable, then you are just throwing good money after bad. I don't hate the Skids my self. I think the toy is a little dull, but it's perfectly fine. I personally actually really enjoy the burnout version.
@@PerspectiveEnd I too wish I had picked up Flame War, which again is weird to me considering that it isn't a mold I am fond of. I do think the upgrade kit is warranted in Pointblank's case BUT if a 3rd party made a better figure of him in WFC/Legacy scale I would rather have that. Still, I had a lot of fun messing around with the Stunticons before I finally got Motormaster, but I wish Breakdown had a proper vehicle mode.
Addendum: somebody tries to resurrect Starscream but fricks it up so he has amnesia, and before he can ever recover any of his memories, Megatron mind rapes his into basically being G1 Starscream
@@PerspectiveEnd IDK. I just think of it as similar to the aligned continuity where they stop caring about continuity every series. The real question you need to ask yourself is “are you really going to deny yourself the majesty that is Cybertron Thunderblast over one of the worst series of the franchise?”
@@PerspectiveEnd yes. but that didn't stick, it only dislodged the alpha-quintensson and scorponok from his bowels (that's facetious, energon-scorponok is actually a pretty good figure). the bulletpoint of the serie beaks down into:- it's season 3 of g1 but armada the minicon, ALL MINICON except perceptor are gone, now the're the omnicon which are just cybertonian dwarves unicron is alive, and scorponok is using megatron own and very well known sword to call back the decepticons to collect energon for the big guy autobots can play leapfrog-combiner, optimus is his own powercorecombiner megatron is alive and take controll of uncron decapitated comatose body, starscream isn't a character, just an amnesiac with no personality tidal wave gets an in-lore explanation for the fractal thunder deco on his toy cyclonus get almost killed and reverse-86-movie'ed into -thunderwarp- snowcat, the earliest transformers gijoe crossover, and later demolishor get rebuilt into demolisher (or viceversa, all dubs disagree on this), making them more unhinged the battle move to cybetron proper. the generic wind dagger is rebuilt into optimus powerup wind saber not-shockwave is a betrayer. he get squashed. omega supreme is the weird powerfull guy, he becomes the other powerup for optimus. tidal wave is destroyed, he's rebuilt into mirage, the most gay transformers of the franchise (intended as literally a stereotypical homosexual, not as an insult) the combiners are here. it's 3 team formed by a chest, 2 molds and 2 recolors. they do not separate or transform. galvatron get pissed off, eats unicron becoming himself the giant, loses his mind, optimus combines with omega supreme, grows to haslab size and insult galvatron into committing sudoku as he wasn't the megatron of armada final episode no more everything else is pointless, and really NONE of this matter once you reach episode 3 of cybertron
10:14 I'm so over about being bothered by Blitzwing's alternate modes. Truth be told, I prefer Astrotrain over Blitzwing, since a train and a space shuttle is more compatible shape-wise in comparison to the tank and fighter jet that Blitzwing has. Legacy Blitzwing is just alright, and I can accept that his two alternate modes are just incompatible without kibble from one mode appearing in the other, I think it has a charm, and I'm no stickler for accuracy. The fact that the Legacy jet has more underkibble than his G1 counterpart is questionable though. Overall, I think it's a fun toy and the triple-changer kibble doesn't ruin it for me personally.
I do feel you on that, and at least we did get a really solid Astrotrain in Siege/ER. Unfortunately I just think we got a Way Better Blitzwing in TR, so this isn't an upgrade to me.
I'm both Proud and Disappointed you feel that way. I was quite thrilled with how this turned out, though I have been equally proud several other times.
Its funny, me and my friend were actually arguing about how bad legacee truly was. He thought that she was a partsformer just because the backpack bits came off in robot mode, which isn’t the definition of partsforming like…at all. It’s the equivalent of saying taking Kingrise Prime’s buttflap off for a cleaner look is partsforming - it just isn’t
Optional Partsforming isn't true partsforming. If it doesn't have to come off for the transformation, or it would not make the Transformation easier if you do take it off, then it's not a sin.
Did you know that there was originally going to be a Transformers Legacy tv show but due to how bad the reception of the War for Cybertron trilogy was on Netflix, they scrapped the show
Legacy Bulkhead restarted TF collecting for my son & I because an ugly bulky army truck just appeals to our instincts for some reason. He's an emotional 10/10 to me
I’ll be honest with prime Arcee, if they had used a regular waist and not a ball joint I’d love it a lot more than I do and even then I still like it a fair bit, even if the leg part can be a bit finicky at times
This is off topic but what would be the chance of wild rider (the white menasor car) being re released. I was too broke at the time and now it's so expensive online and I can't find it irl.
I don't always agree with you, but I did point-for-point as you went through. One exception: the Knockout to me just needed a better head/face. I could forgive everything else. But that head screams "do a second draft." I also like the imagery of something grasping as well as a "fish climbing a tree." Did you come up with that simile? It definitely is good enough to deserve to be stolen.
I mean isn't that what I said about the head already? As for the fish I don't know, I just looked into it, and Einstine once said "You can't judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree", so maybe I heard that before, I don't know.
One thing to keep in mind is that Legacy was the first year of the current design team, the old team retired/moved on after Kingdom.
That explains allot
They've done really well
Well that explains why almost every figure in wave 1 wasn’t MID
Dang that was their first year? Actually kinda impressive.
where did you come across this information?
Imagine movie universe, devastator being in Legacy United
I’d be amazed if a toy like that actually exists at some point
I don’t think they will ever top the Studio Series Devastator since it’s such a wonky combiner 😩
Considering they just did that in Studio Series like 2 years ago, I don't see that happening.
I can’t believe how fast time is going now. Like I can’t believe legacy year 1 is two years old now, I feel old
It's more like a year and a half, but how do you think I feel, I started reviewing in Earthrise.
@@PerspectiveEnd I stated collecting during the first wave of SS86 freshman year now I’m a senior
Its probably because year 1 legacy stock is still shelfwarming (at least where i live)
That segment of that Bomburst figure scattered into pieces had me in hysterics for ages
I'm glad you liked that one so much. Personally I liked the two who were standing on their kibble most my self.
Legacy, we have energon weapons.
Ok why? What do they do?
Legacy, we don’t know? But get ready for evo-fusion.
Side note. My local Walmart still has a peg full of Skids and 4 Galvatrons & Blitzwings
Also-also where’s my Beast Machines Tankor & Jetstorm?
Oh Blitziwng is everywhere, and I don't think he's going anywhere.
As for Tankor and Jetstorm, hopefully eventually. Though please no other BM characters.
@@PerspectiveEnd agreed
My skillgrin has some permanent little black speck on his cheek near his eye… I’ve come to terms with it being a beauty mark.. I guess.
Cant you just like scrape that off?
Legacy so far
Y1) Practically an extension of kingdom
Y2) Testing and capitalizing on the demand for different continuities
Y3) Goin’ Bananas 3: in 3-D
What's that about year 3? 3D?
My POV on Legacy
Legacy year 1: Wait, people like it when we’re accurate to something other than a 40-something cartoon that’s not even accurate to itself? (Bulkhead is good and Knock Out is alright, but Arcee is definitely the worst of year 1 when it comes to unnecessary G1ification)
Evolution: Indeed an evolution in the right direction, but not without its stinkers
United: We haven’t had a bad figure aside from “Cyberverse” Chromia and even then she’s a retool of an already good mold
I love how they initially had that energon weapon gimmick but forgot about it after like 2 waves
14:51
What a coincidence, my starscream’s *right* leg keeps coming off when I dared to use the swivel
I actually did complete legacy menasor and frankly I have no regrets with doing so being the first comnbiner I ever completed (I got in too late into combiner wars and I missed power of the primes due to being power of the primes) honestly I feel that each member ranges from just inoffensive to really good and I love how they look as a team and when combined
I'm glad to hear that you appreciate that thing more than me. It is a special event to complete your first combiner.
Same thing for me, if you don’t count my ko superion where silverbolts arm fell off. The figures go for insane prices on the aftermarket so it felt like a miracle every time I found one
I'm still seeing quite a lot of these figures at my walmarts and targets, I'll always be seeing legarcees, kickbacks, skids, crankcase, blitzwings, and armada Starscreams, oh and also like 20-30 coronation starscreams that refuse to go on clearance, and yet a month in and still no new things
I got lucky and found Bludegeon and Shrapnel at a Walmart. Still seeing lots of legacy figures, though the Strongarm wave from Evolution looks to be a close second, with SS85 Arcee and Airazor also being peg warmers.
Over here, it's TOOOOOONS of Blitzwings, and a lot of Jhiaxuss, and Starscreams.
@@PerspectiveEnd So, so many starscreams, both kind
Cant wait for the legacy evolution retrospective, very intrested to see the bashing of tarn's shoulders again
I think legacy is my favourite line as it give more designs especially really obscure ones like jhiaxus a shine. And some absolute bangers like armada prime,tarn,the nemesis,victory saber etc.
Same man. All the unreleased G2 toys getting modern renditions was crazy news for anyone who likes obscure history. Same for the things you mentioned, and just more Japanese stuff like Galaxy Shuttle, Metalhawk, Minerva
It is super cool to see that, I just wish the Quality were a bit higher consistantly. Figures like Starscream should not be ruined by their QC, and Figures like Kickback should not be so underengineered.
Legacy is my favorite line since Animated. Very impressed.
Like as a whole taking Evolution and United into account, or just year 1?
@@PerspectiveEnd Yeah, Evolution and United included.
I cant believe my stores STILL HAVE LEGACY YEAR 1 FIGURES
I'm actually seeing Tarantulas show up for the first time at my local walmarts, and Jhiaxus and Starscream are everywhere.
Wow the retrospectives haven’t been here for a while and now there back and I am happy
The Stuntacon set was so infuriating to me. Not because I don’t like them I actually really like it. (It just sits up on a shelf in combine mode), but from how hard it was to pick up every figure besides Dragstrip and Breakdown. Seriously it took me a year to finally be able to pickup Motor Master on Amazon that wasn’t $180, and by the time I did I spent nearly $190 on two commander class as my Armada Prime came literally 3 days later.
Distribution has been ridiculously bad since this line came out.
"The looking forward to rid prime" vid I'm talking about
Dragon megs and motormaster are easily the 2 best of the line
Too bad Motormaster will never be complete without all the limb bots, and too many of them suck.
@@PerspectiveEnd too true
While a few pleasant surprises, Legacy wave 1 came up short.
Sadly you are correct.
Knockout would have been way better if he had his proper noseguard
Agreed.
I've never laughed so hard at a review 10/10. We have different views on some of these figures but I love the digs. Truly a great roast.
Proud to hear that.
Legacy: The year of MID
I wouldn't say that. There were great figures in there, and TERRIBLE ones, it averages mid, but the Median figure is not mid.
@@PerspectiveEnd Yeah the average being mid was the point I was trying to get at.
I got Legacy Bombshell a while back for my birthday and I'd say the worst part about him is the risk of losing the partsforming guns for his insect mode, so otherwise he's surprisingly decent.
6:37 there is no continuity at all between the 2 just watch Cybertron you basically need to no nothing going into it (what little continuity does exist is just Hasbro changing the dub to try and force it to make sense)
There's just a dumb voice in my head telling me I can't do that.
@@PerspectiveEnd you ever considered watching the Japanese version of Energon then? It’s genuinely great, it turned energon from one of my least favorite to my like 2nd favorite Transformers show. Superlink is sooooo good.
9:30 “as we can see here it’s a wild rider alt mode attempting to hunt the poor old litte wheelie alt mode but fortunately for the wheelie the wild rider is so shit that it can’t move”
Ik you’ve probably heard this a million times but even in America, Cybertron really isn’t a sequel to Energon. There’s a throwaway line about Unicrons death in Energon being the catalyst for the whole story(if I remember correctly… I was 6). And an Energon character or two cameo in the final episode of the show and they don’t even talk, but that’s pretty much it. The show blatantly contradicts Energon and Armada like I’m pretty sure it’s the autobots first time ever on Earth when they arrive. When two characters combine, someone says something about having never seen two transform combine like that before… even though that was the whole gimmick of Energon… etc etc.
I get that, but there's still this stupid little voice in my head telling me I can't.
Legacy was when I truly got into transformers, learning about the community was so much fun. However it’s also when I learned about the horrors of hasbro QC. 😢
I'm glad to have you in the fandom. There was a lot to love with these recent lines, it's just too bad it wasn't all loveable.
Just got revenge of the fallen long haul for a good price of 20 bucks
Nice! Congrats.
Omega pride is called omega, prime when ultra Magnus and Optimus prime combine in Japan. It’s called God fire convoy.
Indeed, I have no explanation other than I'm stupid and I forgot, but in my Defence it's been over 20 years since I last watched the show.
Skids needed his beautiful Diaclone yellow eyes.
Skids is very mid
@@I.709 I wouldn't say the mold itself is though. I quite like Crankcase. Just needed sprucing up it seems.
@@alexlemonds2838 good point
You and your yellow eyes.
@@PerspectiveEndIt's the best eye color in TF.
Do you have United Chase yet? Are you planning on getting one? I recommend it.
Hes got Hot Rod shoulders and he didnt like it from promo pics alr so i assume hed hate it lol
I have one, I want to do a review of it soon.
7:18 I don’t own that Elita but I like it, it looks cute and the alt is closer to her alt more in G1 than the her last 2 toys
To be fair that's not a High Bar to cross. Her last two toys were the PotP and the ER, and both of those were TRYING to take liberties.
0:51
Regarding figure shipping, where i live its kinda an issue considering the only figures i was able to find a lot of from legacy were either legend, elita-1, galvatron and laser prime. Which kinda sucks considering i barely order anything onlin.
Oh, its' a huge issue for me to, you have no idea the lengths I have to go to to get a lot of these figures.
Here in the Land Down Under, we have such weird distribution. We can get exclusives really easily, but regular releases just don't show up. There were so many SS 102 Optimus Primes on the shelf, but Core Class Swoop and Snarl never made it here, so we literally can't complete Volcanicus without importing from overseas. Also no Dreadwing.
Indonesian here and we also haven't seen Bludgeon and Dreadwing.
@@hypertech116 we got a bunch of Bludgeons, but I only ever saw one Twincast (which I got) and one Tarn
Yeah, I'm hearing so many strange things from Australia. Like you guys are getting things MONTHS before I think there's even a chance they end up here, but then you don't git other stuff EVER.
@@PerspectiveEnd we got Motormaster before everyone else, but at the same time one of our local stores only recently (within the past month or so) started stocking Legacy Evo Wave ONE and SS86 Ironhide
If you look at the Box of the 1988 Pretenders Skullgrin you can see the vehicle mode looks pretty much identical to what we got in Legacy aside from a few things being a little bit different. so while the concept art was really cool, they didn’t just invent some nothingness here it is actually trying to be the old toy’s alt mode
They did capture the old design quite well yes.
Video idea a retrospective of the original beast wars toyline
hmm wonder what will come after legacy?
Legacy 2, electric boogaloo.
Now that I think about it, wouldnt Lega-cee be a better mold choice to repaint into Cyberverse Chromia than Animated Prowl. I mean, despite she shoulders being a little too broad, it would be a closer resemblance the Chromia and even has the 4 wheels
You are correct, it would make way more sense, though honestly at this point I'm glad to not, cause the mold is over used and only OK, the Prowl mold is a better toy.
7:30 personal preference, I love earthspark elita design
Most of it is good, it's just the face that's haunting, like all the faces in Earthspark.
8:38 to 8:46 best part of the video
I'm glad so many people really appreciated that part... I'm just happy I managed to do it in one take.
After seeing this video about Legacy Retrospective (and knowing Hasbro kinda feel off in sales in 2023), I can imagine the next Retrospective about Legacy Evolution starting with "it has a lot of promises", until digesting the figures one by one only to turn out it's more underwhelming with some being great while the rest just sucks.
We will find out when I make that video, but I still hope it will be better.
@@PerspectiveEnd Hope that's the case.
Either way, still have doubts until then
8:38 that part made me laugh
That was a lot of peoples favorite moment.
6:35-ish you don't need to watch energon before cybertron. cybertron only pays the barest amount of lip service to either energon or armada to the point where it's a different continuity in all but name.
with that said you might still not enjoy it given that it's very much in the super robot side of the franchise
I get that, but there's this stupid little voice in the back of my head telling me I need to watch everything first.
And maybe. It's a strong possibility I don't care for it. But who knows right now.
I think that this video really reminds me of the “the budget is allocated for the entire wave” rule, some are godly amazing, and some are dookie.
I watched Cybertron standalone. Really, you don't need to see Energon
I know, but there's this stupid little voice in the back of my head telling me I need to.
Perspective I finally got laser prime and your review was actually very accurate and Its now one of my favorites in my collection. Also a figure I highly recommend you review is thrilling 30 sky byte. To me its a phenomenal figure
Wait they made a T30 Skybyte?
And I'm glad that you are liking the Optimus so much, though I would recommend never getting another. It's a great figure to have ONCE.
The little Shockwave is mostly inoffensive but the head is annoying when I try to transform it.
Why do you find the head to be annoying.
@@PerspectiveEnd it doesn't want to fold down during transformation.
stumbled a lot, but opened the gates for awesomeness in Legacy Evolution. Ready for the (still unconfirmed) trailer of TF One?
I hope the conclusion is happier when I do get into Evolution's Retrospective.
I am interested to see what it is for sure.
Most of the legacy figures in this video I got in those Walmart 2 packs and the tarantulas and elita 2 pack i got for $7
Everyone keeps mentioning these Walmart Twopacks, but I have no idea what those are?
Around Christmas time last year Walmart were selling 2 packs of both legacy and studio series figures it was a buy one get one free deal cause the 2 packs were $25 each
Your fan mode for skullgrin looks like one of the tanks out of Voltron
Well I can't lay claim to it, it's just a fan mode that was out there, but that means it at least looks like a tank.
Can't wait for part 2 with legacy evolution and a part 3 with legacy universe.
I have a theory that Legacy Bulkie was a mold Hasbro had laying around for a while and didn't know what/when to use it, nor what universe to put it under, so, they released it under the Aligned Continuity/Prime Universe, and called it a day.
Countertheory: he was meant to be a what-if G1 Bulkhead before the idea of doing designs from all the Transformers media minus the movies became the central focus of Legacy/Evolution/United and he was promptly given a Prime Bulkhead noggin in order to match up with his wavemate Arcee.
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho That's pretty much what I said.
I actually had my dead ends head area snap off. Its where the head attachment tilts back with that pin? Yeah that snapped clear off, paid $45 for a Japan import no less
That sucks so bad. I'm sorry to hear that.
12:46 you see pointblank is one of those misfortune figures who's meant for good but oh BUT they have to cut the budget somewhere else and thats the reason why he doesn't have the god's mistakes arms and an alt mode which is serviceable but for diehard fans he's a bit lackluster. If not for budget i can see that this figure might become one of the best figures with the incorporation of the target master etc
Honestly, I'd much prefer them to cut the Figure all together and give it's budget to Wildrider and Breakdown.
I ain't accepting any Cybertron Metroplex slander
Well then what are you gonna do about it huh? Come at me bro!
@@PerspectiveEnd I'll throw my Transformers Generations Legacy Titan Class Metroplex at you!! (But gently I don't like hurting people badly)
Hoping for more IDW figures, we need a Nautica and official CHUGs of mtmte Rodimus and Megatron.
Nautica is sooooooo Desperately needed.
I think the lack of a coherent theme might've stifled some of the designers. Trying to design wildly different characters to all fit in the same toy line can't have been easy, going from a car robot one day then a fire ant the next. While some thrive on that, some is not all.
I can understand that point of view.
I don't know if you remember my comment on your starscream video, but I owe you an apology, after messing with it more I realised that I had the qc issue on BOTH my legs, which seemed to have just gotten worse over time which is why I didn't notice it at first. But you were right.
Also the way I view legacy, is just how fun it was, (like how you mentioned in your trash master video) sure there were a lot of not great ones, but most every figure I got was just fun. Like how we got a lot of cool and somewhat obscure characters, Gimmicks kinda came back with laser prime as well. Legacy felt more like toys than just display pieces, which reminded me why I collect in the first place. (to have fun)
I don't remember the comment, but it's fine, even if I didn't I wouldn't take any offence to anything you said, and I'm just sorry to hear that yours is now doing the thing that everyone else's is doing.
And yes, I will say that despite the quality of a lot of the toys, what legacy seems to have done is captured a sense of fun and surprise.
8:31 thoughts on earthspark tarantulas's design?
5:20 I am still hoping to get another prime one day so I can kick er to the curb. Preferably the siege as I missed it
Well they are making an 86 Commander Class one soon.
@@PerspectiveEnd wait they are? They better add some battle damage parts so you can recreate the most iconic scene he had in that film
Blitzwings probably my favorite Triple Changer figure.
And why is that?
@PerspectiveEnd ROCKET BOOSTED TANK!!!!
12:32 Oddly specific there PE
Edit: Just got TM 2 Megatron, he is easily my favorite figure!
Hoverhand is a hell of a Drug.
I'm so happy to hear that. He just rules.
@@PerspectiveEnd I met Peter Cullen at a con a little bit ago and I took a photo with him and just sorta stood there because I was nervous lol.
I'm thinking about getting the upgrade kit for him. The face doesn't really bother me but I want the poesable fingers.
Honestly, I don't necessarily mind Blitzwing's jet mod if the tank turret (which is supposed to be lined up with the rest of his tank kibble) is pulled out under the jet's belly, and has the turret in it's condensed form, as it feels a bit more balanced out to me, as it better makes a visual angle from nosecone to back of jet instead of a harsh 90 degrees. It also kinda reminds me a little of the underbelly turrets on some actual planes, even if the Soviet MiG-25 would never logically have one.
The Jetmode offends me less too, but how do you feel about the tank?
@@PerspectiveEnd The tank is in general passable to me personally, but the nosecone in tank mode was unnecessary and does visually break it at a number of angles.
5:54 that will do, I still think it’s the best chug combiner by far or at least better than the combiner wars menasor, although I’m only gonna get motormaster anyways
Motormaster is really fun on his own.
As for other Combiners, I REALLY like the PotP Abominus set. He's cohesive, and he feels really fun.
I don’t care what y’all say,the legacy stunticons are one of the best combiners
Like as a team, or just as Menasor? Because if it's just Menasor, then wouldn't it be just as good as a large figure, if the component bots like Wildrider are TRASH?
Wait, iguanus was a core? Ive alsays thought he looked like andeluxe 1:43
Yeah, no he was a Core. A teeny tiny boi.
Transmetal 2 megatron my beloved. None of my other figures besides armada prime have anywhere near the presence he has.
Totally Understandable why. The Bright red, the Wingspan, the image, man stands out in the best ways.
This is why i cant agree that we’re in the Golden Age of transformers..
Figures are more expensive than ever and not perfect enough to justify getting. Honestly i wouldnt recommend any toyline of transformers to get into at this point given the prices. Look at classic figures and theyre too inaccessible for newer fans, modern figures are too mid and expensive to consistently get. ROTF and 2010s era was way better in nearly every way besides poseability.
Thank God for the recent KOs that companies like Black Mamba have been releasing, usually improvements and half the price.
Really I think the fandom is still just Riding a High from how cool Siege was. But the quality drop off was IMEEDIATE and harsh as soon as it was over.
I really think you’re hating too hard on Wildrider and blitzwing, yet not hating enough on dragstrip. I won’t retype it, because I’ve discussed it with you several times. Great vid man.
Blitzwing is basically a RED figure, and Whildrider sucks in every way. Honestly it probably should have been on the worst of year list, but I think I forgot it.
The Menasor combo, in Killer Instinct.
Dragstrip: *paff-boff*
Motormaster: *thrack-thrack-zap*
Wildrid- C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
I don't know what those first two attacks are supposed to be, but CCCCOMBO BREAKER is just the most satisfying thing I ever heard growing up.
Dead end: depression attack
@PerspectiveEnd just generic onomaatapoeia (I DEFINATELY spelt that wrong). Nothing missed. I barely touched KI, but Combo Breaker is just perfect.
8:37 "avgn moment"
That was a lot of peoples favorite moment.
It explains why despite the bad distribution, many of legacy's first year figures have been shelf-forming even into the toyline's third year. There were a few bangers, but most of the series was kind of sub-par.
I do at least feel that year 2 was genuinely an evolution in some ways for the toyline. It also stumbled here and there but it came out stronger in my opinion than year one
I mean to be fair things like Jhaixus is also Shelfwarming right now.
I always find I don't agree with about half of your opinions in these videos, but I still really enjoy how you express them.Your presenting style is really funny, well done mate.
I'm in the UK and I did alright with the last few Kingdom / Legacy / SS86 really. I think I got most of what I wanted for reasonable price, but I paid £35 for Cosmos ( about $45 ) and - you're going to hate this - £40 for Dead End ( about $50 ) because I had all of the other ones and I wanted the complete set. I did only pay £45 for Motormaster in a sale when he was costing £90 everywhere else though, so it balanced out I guess!
I really enjoyed Iguanus too and also thought Bombshell was a 2/3 at best. Boo.
Thank you so much, I'm proud to hear that.
Oof that's painful to hear, did you at least like those two, or was it not worth the money?
My dead end is a defect that makes it better
And what is that Defect?
Point blank's pose... 😂
I was going for as creepy as possible.
Has it really been that long since legacy started? It really felt like it was just one year ago
I know right. It's terrifying.
With united just starting when can we expect to see the evolution retrospective? I really enjoy these as someone who can't always get all the figures I'd like to. It's just nice to look back on the line as a whole and appreciate what i did get.
I plan to do it sooner rather than later yes. And I'm glad to hear that these videos have that effect on you.
Also are you Alicia Kobayashi, or am I mistaken?
@PerspectiveEnd Awesome! yeah that's me, UA-cam's change from usernames to email name or whatever is weird
Thankfully you didn't do that, and the Icon at the same time, because then I would have lost track of you. Too many people change both at once, and then I start to worry cause I haven't heard from them in a while (Or so I think) or they just launch into a conversation with me like I'm supposed to remember one we already had, when I don't know who I'm talking to.
@@PerspectiveEnd luckily I very rarely change my icon, the name however on here at least is all youtubes fault as part of an update, also I do apologise if you haven't heard from me in a while, since late November I had major burnout with transformers and stopped buying them and watching content based on them but now I'm back on board and I'm enjoying them again, so I'm slowly catching up on your videos that I missed 💜
Can't wait for you to review Legacy Shadowstriker and Detritus to reveal they're the worse toys of their line, showing that I wasted money on the only two goddamn figures I could find
I need to get around to doing Shadow Striker already.
@@PerspectiveEnd Please tell me she isn't like Deadend or Wildrider
How does menasor still suffer from cw leg elbows despite not having any 6:01
I got legacy united bumblebee and if you see him, get him, don't worry about the size
He's not as good as I made him out to be. He earns the deluxe price but barely
I hope to like him when I find him.
oh my god effing finally
I hope it Satisfies.
Fun fact: I don't care about G1 accuracy. To me, I think it's stupid to expect perfection from designs that came from a show that was wildly inconsistent. The reason I'm saying this is because I love every G1 figure from this line. Every one. Especially Elita, and surprisingly Blitzwing. Just wish they did a selects version for a Diaclone scheme, since I think that just that colour change would fix the weird design since it's not trying to be a character.
I don't think G1 accuracy is Vital. That's why I love the TR Blitzwing so much, it wasn't accurate, but it was good. So my problem with the Legacy one is actually it's G1 accuracy. Why is the tank dick there at all. If that part didn't exist it would be a better toy.
You make some solid points, especially for Blitzwing and the Pretenders. I hard disagree with you about the Stunticons. I love the set sans Breakdown. Maybe a little on Dead End's QC issue in car mode. Bulkhead is straight awesome. I just wish he had a better reach with his arms. I don't care for the Prime Arcee mold even though I own 3 of it (PArcee, Road Rocket, Ariel). Knock Out really did get a meh robot with a fantastic car mode. All the Beast Wars stuff RULES. Pointblank NEED the upgrade kits and Toyhax labels to raise him from terrible to okay. The only Insecticon I thought they missed the mark on was Bombshell, and I don't get the hate for Skids or his mold mates other than color. All in all, Legacy Year 1 was hit and miss but it does get a bit better.
My problem with the Wildrider and Breakdown, is just that they feel like a Downgrade on the CW versions. When most of the engineering is the same, where did our money go. It's smaller, it's tolerances are worse, it's clearances are worse, the elbows bend less. Like I'd have been pretty ok with it if it was the same thing as the CW, but had a serious posing upgrade. And outside of feet, it really didn't.
I only have 2 of the Arcee, and I wish the only one I had was Flamewar, which is one of the ones I didn't pick up.
And the thing about Pointblank, is it's my personal Philosophy to only REWARD good figures with Upgrade kits. If you are trying to make a bad figure tollerable, then you are just throwing good money after bad.
I don't hate the Skids my self. I think the toy is a little dull, but it's perfectly fine. I personally actually really enjoy the burnout version.
@@PerspectiveEnd I too wish I had picked up Flame War, which again is weird to me considering that it isn't a mold I am fond of. I do think the upgrade kit is warranted in Pointblank's case BUT if a 3rd party made a better figure of him in WFC/Legacy scale I would rather have that. Still, I had a lot of fun messing around with the Stunticons before I finally got Motormaster, but I wish Breakdown had a proper vehicle mode.
I love Transformers so much, it’s such a shame I *STILL* can’t find anything past Legacy wave 1.
I live in canada, i see reviewers reviewing figure in January that dont come out here until fucking july
I think it's weird everywhere right now. Like I JUST started seeing Tarantuals showing up to most stores in my area.
@PerspectiveEnd in canada, we are getting evolution the previous lines..its so weird
They blow up Unicron and he becomes a black hole.
There you’re caught up on what happens in Energon.
Now watch Cybertron.
Addendum: somebody tries to resurrect Starscream but fricks it up so he has amnesia, and before he can ever recover any of his memories, Megatron mind rapes his into basically being G1 Starscream
Impressively little matters then. Isn't Unicron blown up at the end of Armada?
@@PerspectiveEnd IDK.
I just think of it as similar to the aligned continuity where they stop caring about continuity every series.
The real question you need to ask yourself is “are you really going to deny yourself the majesty that is Cybertron Thunderblast over one of the worst series of the franchise?”
@@PerspectiveEnd yes. but that didn't stick, it only dislodged the alpha-quintensson and scorponok from his bowels (that's facetious, energon-scorponok is actually a pretty good figure).
the bulletpoint of the serie beaks down into:- it's season 3 of g1 but armada
the minicon, ALL MINICON except perceptor are gone, now the're the omnicon which are just cybertonian dwarves
unicron is alive, and scorponok is using megatron own and very well known sword to call back the decepticons to collect energon for the big guy
autobots can play leapfrog-combiner, optimus is his own powercorecombiner
megatron is alive and take controll of uncron decapitated comatose body, starscream isn't a character, just an amnesiac with no personality
tidal wave gets an in-lore explanation for the fractal thunder deco on his toy
cyclonus get almost killed and reverse-86-movie'ed into -thunderwarp- snowcat, the earliest transformers gijoe crossover, and later demolishor get rebuilt into demolisher (or viceversa, all dubs disagree on this), making them more unhinged
the battle move to cybetron proper. the generic wind dagger is rebuilt into optimus powerup wind saber
not-shockwave is a betrayer. he get squashed. omega supreme is the weird powerfull guy, he becomes the other powerup for optimus.
tidal wave is destroyed, he's rebuilt into mirage, the most gay transformers of the franchise (intended as literally a stereotypical homosexual, not as an insult)
the combiners are here. it's 3 team formed by a chest, 2 molds and 2 recolors. they do not separate or transform.
galvatron get pissed off, eats unicron becoming himself the giant, loses his mind, optimus combines with omega supreme, grows to haslab size and insult galvatron into committing sudoku as he wasn't the megatron of armada final episode no more
everything else is pointless, and really NONE of this matter once you reach episode 3 of cybertron
10:14 I'm so over about being bothered by Blitzwing's alternate modes. Truth be told, I prefer Astrotrain over Blitzwing, since a train and a space shuttle is more compatible shape-wise in comparison to the tank and fighter jet that Blitzwing has. Legacy Blitzwing is just alright, and I can accept that his two alternate modes are just incompatible without kibble from one mode appearing in the other, I think it has a charm, and I'm no stickler for accuracy. The fact that the Legacy jet has more underkibble than his G1 counterpart is questionable though. Overall, I think it's a fun toy and the triple-changer kibble doesn't ruin it for me personally.
I do feel you on that, and at least we did get a really solid Astrotrain in Siege/ER.
Unfortunately I just think we got a Way Better Blitzwing in TR, so this isn't an upgrade to me.
Whatever the quality was for any given figure,THEY MADE A COMBINER WITH WFC ENGINEERING! that's gotta be some brownie points
I mean does it? The combiner is already cheating a LOT and they still couldn't get it right.
@@PerspectiveEnd in heinsight, yeah, its really just a man with cars slapped on him
This has to be the best script, you have ever written for any of your videos.
I'm both Proud and Disappointed you feel that way. I was quite thrilled with how this turned out, though I have been equally proud several other times.
Its funny, me and my friend were actually arguing about how bad legacee truly was. He thought that she was a partsformer just because the backpack bits came off in robot mode, which isn’t the definition of partsforming like…at all. It’s the equivalent of saying taking Kingrise Prime’s buttflap off for a cleaner look is partsforming - it just isn’t
Optional Partsforming isn't true partsforming. If it doesn't have to come off for the transformation, or it would not make the Transformation easier if you do take it off, then it's not a sin.
Did you know that there was originally going to be a Transformers Legacy tv show but due to how bad the reception of the War for Cybertron trilogy was on Netflix, they scrapped the show
I had heard that yes.
Soo uhhhhh, what do you think of the Minerva retool of the Elita-1 figure?
That was an Exclusive figure I've never seen in person.
Legacy Bulkhead restarted TF collecting for my son & I because an ugly bulky army truck just appeals to our instincts for some reason. He's an emotional 10/10 to me
Here me out, Animated soundwave or movie ratchet out of the skids mold
Those both would work out well.
Wow that was quick i just saw the community post
Yeah, I put that out as kind of a Joke, because this was already uploaded.
I’ll be honest with prime Arcee, if they had used a regular waist and not a ball joint I’d love it a lot more than I do and even then I still like it a fair bit, even if the leg part can be a bit finicky at times
That might have been a lot better.
This is off topic but what would be the chance of wild rider (the white menasor car) being re released. I was too broke at the time and now it's so expensive online and I can't find it irl.
You mean Breakdown? I don't know. They might. I know they are rereleasing the whole set in toy colors so maybe.
6:12 they do that because they did it in G1
Indeed, and it is one of those Cancerous instances that needs to go away.
I don't always agree with you, but I did point-for-point as you went through. One exception: the Knockout to me just needed a better head/face. I could forgive everything else. But that head screams "do a second draft." I also like the imagery of something grasping as well as a "fish climbing a tree." Did you come up with that simile? It definitely is good enough to deserve to be stolen.
I mean isn't that what I said about the head already?
As for the fish I don't know, I just looked into it, and Einstine once said "You can't judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree", so maybe I heard that before, I don't know.