Avoid these THREE things with degenerative disc disease
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Degenerative disc disease (DDD) can negatively impact your life without the right action steps forward. There are ways to relieve back pain so you can get out there and adventure! As a physical therapist there are 3 common things you should avoid when it comes to treating degenerative disc disease. These include: avoiding a quick surgery decision, avoiding inactivity, and avoiding relying on passive treatments. In this episode you’ll learn how to avoid each of these things to find back pain relief.
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33 just had to cut my military career short because of L4-5-S1...most depressing stage of my life...but i'm fighting to live my best life. 🙏🏿
I'm ex-grunt..Sorry to hear ur situation. Just a FYI. - Pilates as physical therapy.. focus is on movement -spinal articulation & core strength. It Saved my Life. I'd be on disability wo. It. You want Slow movement & you learn to isolate & move specific muscles. If you can weekly supervised instruction is best. Marijuana, used as Medicine manages inflammation, reduced pain to make it bearable also aids in muscle stretching & relaxation. I Only take one hit. Don't abuse it. Use it when you really need it. I tried regular Therapy & it didn't Help. God speed to you & your journey to recovery.
Look into Saunders back traction device. I love it.
1. Avoid a quick decision for surgery - always try conservative management - many options mentioned
2. Avoid inactivity - get into a regular movement routine - increase variety of movements
3. Avoid relying on a back brace, pain creams, massage (these are considered passive measures)
Watch the video… it’s very through. This is just my summary :)
Lol kk
Excruciating delivery. Thanks for your notes.
I just started swimming laps the last few days and that’s the best I’ve felt in a while. It could be a coincidence but I’m going to keep doing it.
Thank you Alyssa for this video. Best video I have seen! I agree with everything! Did conservative measures for a year then had surgery for herniated disc and now swimming is what keeps me active and I have learned to listen to my body and don’t let pain control my life. Unfortunately my tolerance sitting and standing is limited, affecting my profession and social life. But do celebrate the little steps and avoid flare ups. Do you have videos on foods you recommend? So glad I found your video! :)
Right on! This is so true. Movement movement movement!!! A physical therapist can give you all the right exercises.
Diagnosed at 15 and now I'm 35 still have good movement, less pain than when I was in my 20s. Lots of toe touches and hip stretches.
What are the other exercises you do daily?
Salt water helps a lot.
I'm an athlete with L4-L5 and L5-S1 DD and best remedy for me is sea bath or pool.
God bless
@@Hyperborean_2 do you take any supplements or special diet?
That's pretty good. The conditions didn't worsen? Wow
OMG! I felt you were speaking directly to me. You hit all the points I needed to hear. Thank you so so so much!
You are so welcome!!
Thank you very much for your advice. I was injured by assault when i was 21 and was very fortunate to have found a healing Chiropractor . Ive gone down severly at 48, again fortunate to find an orthopedic surgeon that helped me by ordering pt. Now it has returned at 67 and just working on healing. Chronic as it is i sooo agree with you about surgery. Last option for sure. ❤
many people who get a fusion regret it.
Awesome Video! Thank you so much!
Absolutely Perfect. Thank you
You're very welcome!
I have suffered with lumbar facet joint issues for over a year, trying various exercises and workouts. I can say, without question, this workout is exceptionally effective for me personally. Thank you so much for making a fantastic video that is so well thought out and easy to exercise along with.
Thanks for sharing! And I'm so glad you liked the video!
Thanks Alyssa for the very helpful info. 👍
You're so welcome!
Excellent explanation. Wow thank you. ❤
you're so welcome!
Thanks so much for sharing. I agree with your 3 "don'ts". I have both hips replaced late 2018 and fell into a bit of a funk, forgetting how strong I was by working out to prep for the surgery. Watching this reminded me how powerful movement and patience really helped!
You're welcome!
Best video! Thanks Alyssa! 👌
Glad you liked it!!
Alyssa, I will make these changes for my health, for my children for the years ahead of me. I will be positive and will thrive ❤
I had a flare up of sciatica 6 months ago. I cut out sugar jaggery sweets processed food, confectionary bakery items potatoes fried things . Started eating a lot of vegetables and home made vegetable soups. I dropped 10 kg weight (from 67 kg. to 57 kg) within 4-5 months. Took rest when I was in pain( about 4 weeks). No medication. I have radical improvement. I have been wairy of not bending forward. I do a lot of house chores. Eat minimum seed oil in food . Minimize salt intake.
I don't know my diagnosis; all I know is that I am getting better and better every day and you are very much responsible for that--your explanations, your pep talks, and your exercises. Thank you.
That is so great to hear! Keep it up.
Yes super true!!! I agree
Thanks so much for this.. I had forgotten the advice I have often given to others, which I really did believe before...to focus on what I can do and not on what I can't and on goals I have made.
You're so welcome! You can do more than you think when you really think about what you can do!
@@arthritisadventure This is so helpful, thanks again. I will be trying one of your exercise videos soon
Came across your videos today I have advanced DDD you gave me hope really wish I was in the same town as you love how you are so positive ❤
I’m happy it gave you hope. That’s the goal ❤️
Thank you for giving ppl a hope! Could you please create playlist with videos about degenerative disc disease?
Check the low back arthritis playlist!
Sleep is a real booger w this problem though. I’ve tried everything (pillows between legs, rolled towel, etc). Nothing helps much. I wake up w severe pain each morning.
I am 78 and had same problem, so stiff and in pain that I had to use a bed rail to get out of bed and stagger to the hot shower and take Tylenol. Doctor prescribed mild muscle relaxant Tizanidine, which has been a huge help. Then I go to 4 exercise classes a week and work out every day with 5 and 8 lb weights (I also have 2 complete shoulder replacements.). Maybe a muscle relaxant can give you enough pain relief to be able to exercise.
Have same problem. 2 herniated discs L5 S1 . Can't find day without pain.
Have you tried sleeping on your back with a pillow on either side of you so you don’t roll over in the middle of the night? I read sleeping on your back is good for scoliosis because it keeps the spine neutral. That’s how I sleep now with my scoliosis and i have a better sleep now.
Have you tried Walmart night time sleep aids? That's how I have been able to sleep just fine.
Are you like me..when I get up I have so much pain and usually in a long spasm. I have herniated discs, a torn disc, severe stenosis, facet joint disease and of course degenerative disease. After I am up for a while I feel somewhat better. I had fusion which made my above and below disc bad. I try to think a lot of people have it worse . Prayers ❤❤❤❤
Excellent video, thanks for making it. I had four years remission and suddenly the pain started again. I need to work on it!
Glad you like the video!
I am excited to have found you. I have degenerate discs and bulging disks. I will get into your program but I am curious if I can do kettlebell training?
Thanks for being a great resource leader.
Love your videos I have a favor to ask. Would you do a video about coccyx pain. I have injured my self with exercise bike so resulted to coccyx and ligaments injuries. My pelvis and coccyx area so much pain everyday. Thank you so much. Kally from Canada
💙 your pep talks...affirming.
You got this! Have a great weekend.
I'm very active person I run alot and train in boxing but I'm dealing with ddd for the past few years smh it's so annoying 😭it was getting good after some PT. Then I started sparring hard again and there is alot of twisting in the back and core when it comes to sparring and that triggered it and now I'm back to square one at home pt. Thank u for this video 🙏
@@MacchiatoSwirlGirl same story
I HEARD that PRP helps?
I've recently been diagnosed with DDD, part of which involves mild scoliosis. I feel like I've literally looked at hundreds of exercise videos to help with this condition, to the point of utter frustration. While one video describes a great exercise for DDD, the next will say to NOT do that exercise. Hard to know what to believe! I've been undergoing chiropractic treatment for a couple of months (wanted to start with the most conservative treatment), which has helped a lot, but I'm trying to add in gentle exercises that I can incorporate into my routine, especially those I can easily do at the office. i.e., those that don't require getting on the floor. I'm also using supplements that my chiropractor has recommended, and I make sure to drink plenty of water. I'm doing everything - everything - I can to avoid surgery!! I am so relieved to find your page since your exercises include so many that I can do while at work, and they are also gentle. I love the stretching ones - they really do help. This specific video is so helpful and gives me hope. I'm also trying to stay focused on how far I've come in just a couple of months and to remind myself that DDD is not a death sentence. I must keep moving and trying! I'm going to go through your videos and come up with a plan that I can easily do every day. Thank you for your site!🥰
I suffered with this for 5 years. Fear of movement and lack of movement was keeping me in pain.
Very informative thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Thakn you.
I like her approach and information she shared !!!!
Thank you! Appreciate the support.
I just went through my first, severe flare up, it lasted a few months. I wished the doctors and physical therapists had spoken to me about it in this way. I always felt like they were holding back information from me and I thought I was going crazy. Now I wished I'd seen this video back then, so if you're going through it now, I'm here to say it does get better and this UA-camr/physical therapist is so right.
Thank you for sharing! Glad you're here.
Doctors are so busy and see so many patients you might get 5-10 minutes tops. I saw medical assistants, nurses, nurse practitioners, xray tech, but maybe 10 minutes with the doctor. He’s a good surgeon but they have very little time to actually talk with patients.
@@AJohnson0325 That's if you can even get to see someone with an MD behind their name.
Thank you Ma'am , speak so well 👏 💖
Thank you!
Thanks Alyssa for such an important information. I must find the will and strength to get rid of the pain and it will happen with some effort. You inspire me a lot to keep moving. I have done two nights of exercise and I am feeling a little bit better thanks to you.
I wish I had heard this video several years ago. When my Orthopedic Dr told me I had DDD, he sent me to PT, but basically blew me off and didn’t really explain anything. Of course, I should have asked more questions, but since I never had health issues I didn’t know what to ask. PT helped, but was still in pain 4 years later, couldn’t understand why.
I hope these tips can help to give some clarity!
Please assist with movement for someone who finds it too painful to stand, walk or sit. The pain only goes away when lying on my back.
I hear this, I've gone from being able to run 5 miles, hike 10 miles, bike 20 miles, and attend yoga 3 days a week to barely being able to get out of bed to get to the bathroom over the last five years
@@MrJoep71 Me too. Resting flat has helped a lot, but of course I've become weaker.
Mentally I have made some progress. I've been taking 5000IU of vitamin D3. It seems to help.
@@rodpettet2819 for sure vit D3 along with magnesium before bed and that has helped keep me from having any cold or flu detox events over the last five years
Brutal, unimaginable agony for over 5 years now. My neurosurgeon refuses to operate on me though. I get regular radial nerve ablations 3 times a year that spike the agony afterwards and leave me shaking in fear on the chair. It's insulting when I hear people say just change your posture, or "build yourself up". What doesn't hurt me one day can the next, there is no building up anything. This was the end of my career and my life of working out in general. Whenever I try to be a part of something, I always have a flare up that puts me in a chair for weeks. The most insidious thing about it is that when I do something wrong like lift something too heavy, it can take several hours for the pain to kick in as it swells up like a balloon. So I don't even realize when I'm causing this agony on myself.
Oh Lord, my heart goes out to you. I can't imagine the pain and despair you are experiencing. I truly hope Alyssa can put you on the path to steady improvement. Bless you, good luck with starting a better quality of life ❤
Also, can you not change neurosurgeons to one that WILL operate. It is inhuman to leave you in such agony and not provide either effective painkillers or surgery. Can you not INSIST that more is done for you than live in this hopeless cycle of pain! I wish you the very best my friend.
@@carolinejohn4537 Oh hi! Thanks so much for that! My ablation is providing some relief now after the 6 week mark. Until the next flare up I guess. There is a more invasive procedure than the radial nerve ablation where they actually burn out the nerve with a chemical. But that is not practiced at all in Canada. That's what I would like done much more than a fusion. I'm actually pretty scared of a fusion and not sure it would work at all. Nevertheless, the doctor won't go any further than the nerve ablation. I've been trying some of Alyssa's movements, which are very different from the last disastrous physiotherapist I had, and they aren't hurting me as much as they should be.
I would find another surgeon if I were you! I’ve had one tell me they would never operate on me, but another would- at the end of the day you’re the one suffering
@@PouchMasterI had fusion and it did not help with pain after a few months and it made my above and below bad.
Had Lidocane injected last week to test for Ablation! It was a miracle! Felt 40 years younger! Going in for another test that will last 3 hours! Fingers crossed!
How did your ablation go? My doctor is recommending that for me.
I will be doing this soon. I have congenital birth defects with 2 misshapen vertebrae all in the lumbar region, and I have been having so much pain the last 2 years. I need to call this week to get it scheduled.
How do that go?
What are some foods to avoid? What are the best foods to eat? I do pool exercises which do help. I just got my diagnosis a few weeks ago that I have DDD and scoliosis. I will try some of the exercises you recommend as well. Thanks for the info. I just turned 70 and this was my present. Haha. For sleeping I use either one of those bed bolsters that help you sit up in bed. I also just bought a body pillow. Trying that tonight.
I was diagnosed with degenerative disc disease in 1987. In 1990 I did get a herniated disc, it ended my career as a bus driver. I just retired from providing home care and apparently herniated the same disc on the other side. A week later, I'm healing much faster than the first time. I'm altogether healthier, stronger and in less pain than I was 35 years ago. Different this time is that being on my feet is maximally painful, followed by lying down. Kneeling and flat on my back with my calves on a chair is the only relief. Looking forward to movement!
38 with DDD I work construction for a living and still workout 4 days a week some days are better then others
I’ve been x-rayed quite a few yrs ago & told I’ve definitely got arthritis at the base of my skull & down my spine to my buttocks. Plus I’ve got spinal degeneration that’s appeared on my x-rays. I absolutely don’t want this 1 iota! Plus I don’t want any surgery either, I literally don’t have any trust in the health care system at all anymore! Too many lies & they really DON’T CARE! That’s something I’ve strongly learned/sensed. I’m listening to what you’re saying in this video as I’m typing this out.
I’ve suffered from back pain for 27 years had an L5 herniated disc had surgery 1995 never helped . What I’ve learned is the worst thing is to not move , walk , jog ,
Work out it doesn’t cure it but it helps manage it .
Agreed with less sitting; mixed feeling about less laying down though. Maybe because the things that feel better for mid and lower back tend to cause more irritation, and pain with cervical stenosis.
No 1: hell yes NO surgery unless you have critical issues. 2. Conservative management: YES. Movement YES. 3. Don’t completely rely on. Passive approaches. I am meded up to nearly the max. Gabapentin cut down on the neuropathic type of pain. Massage is nice, but I agree, it doesn’t work exclusively. I have chronic pain, but I haven’t needed a walker, but it’s frustrating to try to walk without pain. I think I had been repeatedly misdiagnosed with other conditions, because injections were supp[osed to work, and they didn’t. I want to be able to walk without that bad cramping on my side upper thighs, near the hips. This started more than a decade ago and has nearly halted my being able to walk even four blocks, when I used to walk for 2-4 miles at a time. I suppose I overdid that. I loved to take long walks and pretty much know I’ll never be able to walk those distances again
I am 72 and was just diagnosed with moderate spondylosis. What is the difference between DDD and this diagnosis?
The remaining mobile is a bit difficult with numb legs and feet!
Good video. I will look up those exercises. In addition degenerative disk disease, I also have moderate scoliosis, osteoporosis and osteoarthritis.
Glad you liked the video!
I've been doing my own conservative management for 20 years to manage DDD. Diet and supplements have been the biggest help. I'm also pretty active as a single mom. But now I'm getting nerve damage. My Dr said surgery may help to stop further nerve damage. I'm strongly thinking about it.
Could you tell me what supplements you take. I have so much back problems.
@@ritastutler1470 I have heard that collagen, glucosamine sulfate and grass fed bone broth may help. Look these up.
Here is a study that talks about supplements. It wasn’t a very good study because it was only one patient. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC165439/
Hi Alyssa 👋 I'm safring knee pain and bow leg 🦵 😢. I want exercise for bow leg. please help me.
I have been using a hydro message followed by exercise for the last 6 weeks and my family has noticed a difference in my ability to do other activities. I am no longer wearing the constant pain on my face.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you! Question:how do you feel about using a rollator for walking?
So went to the neurologist im 39 and i have degenerative in my c3 and c7. He told me go get my hormones checked. Sure enough they were out of wack i have been on HRT for 2 weeks now almost 3 and I already feel like im able to be more active. I recommend anyone going through this to get your hormones checked.
I was diagnosed with degenerative disc disease recently. In my neck c4 c7
Alyssa Ur video gives Confidence !!! i m 82 good health,, started one morn while woke up,,sudden both lowback pain,,even had a walk prev eve ,, Mri shows L4,5 canal 2.4 mm etc Dr muted surgery ,, now past 4 months i m under MD ortho cum spine therapist with 3 exercises ,, Now left back only more pain tingling etc ,,,Can i cure sans surgery ??!!
conservative measures can be worth a try before considering surgery if I am understanding your question correctly
What can i do im suffering for degenerative osteopytosis lumbar instability need your advice
Omgooosh, thanks!
Welcome!
My mri shows mild non significant disc disease, musle spasm. I've been suffering lower back pain for 9 years straight. Nothing works with this nasty pain. Anything can be done please?
I'm 34 old
Thank you for all your videos. What about bird dogs and dead bugs? Are they good for DDD? Thanks.
Yes! Those can be good ones too
@@arthritisadventure Thank you!
Bird dogs, dead bugs???
@@carolinejohn4537 They are the names of core strengthening exercises that have really been helping me.
That is what I do but it doesn't help me.
I appreciate this video, I'm seeing thus in my return from Physical Therapy, it hurt tiday, but the movement helps in some ways. U intend to hang in there. Sitting long can cause psin, when coming back home.
i m 82 normal health..one morn whlile woke up pain started lower back ,, L4 ,L 5 2.4 mm canal even prev eve had a nice walk ,,can i cure,,my Dr given me 3 exercises , now 4 months ??
Is this including degenerative disc disease in neck to.
I have severe bilateral neural foraminal stenosis L5-S1
Severe bilateral neural foraminal stenosis L4-L5
Moderate left neural foraminal stenosis L3-L4
And cervical ddd
I need help please!!
For some time I haven't been able to stand for letting NG periods and also Walk for like more than 5 minutes? Then I had a minor Parking Lot accident, and then that's how I discovered I had it in my Lumbar and Cervical Spine! 😕
It hit home when you said "Planning your day around pain" sigh.
❤️❤️❤️
I just got diagnosed with this, I'm hurting 24/7.
How would these perspectives apply to cervical spinal stenosis ?
Yeah, I agree - it’s complicated when you’re mixing the two different conditions! Especially when the cervical stenosis is the one causing the most symptoms, but the disc degeneration covers a broader area. Best wishes to you - this is complicated! Is your stenosis foraminal or central canal?
Can you still play sports like rugby with DDD or is it not advisable
I was in extreme pain. I got an inversion table, that did an amazing job, then went to a chiropractor helped more, he also suggested some stretching exercises to do. Don't sit still alot or Rigamortis will start setting in. I do still have back pain when standing without moving much after 5 minutes.
My degenerative disease has gotten to my neck. I’ve already had spinal fusion at L4-5, now my L5-S1 is acting up and my C2-7 have bulging disks…sucks…Looks like I’m a candidate for neck surgery next
How did that happen? Were you conservative after the fusion surgery?
Did fusion make you above and below worse?
can you recommend a playlist for 5x/wk exercise with DDD? Strength, flexibility
My arthritis workout membership, Adventurers for Life, helps with this exact question. It provides follow along, progressive workouts with tests to pass along the way to make sure you are progressing at the right pace. You can learn more about it here: keeptheadventurealive.com/start
I have no pain in my back but my legs started going numb and i also have tingling in fingers.
Only a week and I feel the benefits
Amazing!
Is using the elliptical machine good for this ?
I think that’s what caused my disc desication. Will be buying a treadmill
I can cope with the pain its when i have back spasms that stops me dead dont know what to do when this happens .
My doctor prescribed mild muscle relaxant, Tizanidine. After 20 years In increasing severe pain, I’m nearly pain free now! I also take 4 exercise classes a week and work out with 5 lb weights every day. I’m 78. Best withes.
I agree Angela..the muscle spasms completely take over..can not do morning activities anymore.
All i know is that if you dont sleep it feel like torture. If you do sleep well then you will have a normal life
Yes sleep can truly make a difference is so many things
I put a wooden plank on top of my mattress, and 1 1/4 inch of foam mattress pad to have a good night sleep
I found I can walk with far less hip and knee pain when I walk with a bit of an outward diagonal gait. ( the band around calf exercise) phew!
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Im hearing stem cell might be the way to go.
“can thrive” Biggest whopper I’ve ever heard.
It doesn't hurt for me. Its uncomfortable.
it can reversed by the proper nutrition
Bro are you sure?
OK now try it with Bamboo Spine.
Will degenerate disk make you unable to walk
It really depends on the severity. Likely no but with increased weakness, pain, and decrease in balance it can make walking difficult.
And severe degenerative disk disease L5 S1
A rehash of all the old talk. Do these people all copy each other. I think they all like the sound of their own voices, and their own importance. All jumping on the bandwagon.
got diagnosed right after my 18th birthday, thank u for helping me through this time 🫶