Classic Gaming on a Sony BVM20F1U, Ultra HDMI, and HIDEF NES
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- Опубліковано 2 кві 2016
- In this video I attempt to tackle several different subjects....
1. The Sony BVM 20F1U
2. Sync On Green
3. The Extron Matrix Switcher
4. The Ultra HDMI Review
5. The HIDEF NES Review
6. 480I Resolution VS 240P
7. Integer Scaling
8. Sync Combining - Розваги
[Coury] whew this is quite the epic! Can't wait to sit down and take the full thing in during one sitting.
+My Life in Gaming I think your 20L5 can do sync on green 480p. Not sure but I am taking a wild guess it does!
2017 and still the undisputed guru of retro-gaming video solutions! I can't even imagine how much work went into this channel! Mind blown. Thank you!
Thank you so much for making this video. You are the RGB Grandmaster who has probably one of the most expensive rgb retro console setup on this planet. Total Nerdgasm by the power of four.
Another awesome video man! You're a god among retro gaming men.
Once again you have done a great job at filling a video with tons of useful information and still managed to entertain at the same time. Thank you for your work. It is appreciated.
Thank you for watching and seeing the work that I put in my videos.
This definitely deserves a sub. Thanks for the comprehensive, entertaining, and quality content!
This was an EPIC video man, the time that you put into your videos really shows and the quality is absolutely top notch.
+Retro Game Players Thanks you!
Holy crap dude there is so much content in this video. Had to have taken forever to make. A great reference to educate my buddies and show them the joy of a CRT. Thanks partner!
Awesome and very detailed video! Time went by pretty fast when I watched this
This is a high quality content video. cant imagined all the hard work. thank you sir! still bvm and pvm are the way to go.
Dude, top notch videos man. I never thought I would find myself nostalgic for CRTsor the like... Alas, here I am!
Thanks man! Keep up the great work!!!
You are truly god level when it comes to this stuff, great video
I just watched this video again after 2 months...All I can say is you know your stuff man and i learn from you heaps..
Plus your also the reason why PVMs/BVMs/XM29 etc are now costing $$$ LOL - everyone wants them
You and My Life In Gaming know your stuff. Damn. LOL loving these videos, so much info it makes me salivate.
I would also like to thank Coury from "My Life In Gaming" for helping me get my vocals a bit better. Although I am still not as good as them!
+phonedork [Coury] Happy to help! Now if only I could get my delivery as good and natural sounding as yours!
+phonedork I highly recommend the Blue Snowball for a good cheap quality USB mic. I use that and the Blue Yeti, but the Yeti is 3x the price, and is more sensitive to vibration and ambient sound.
+phonedork Good to see you posting again - it's been a bit since your last video (I know, it takes time to make videos). Have you had a chance to use the 14F1U? This is one of the 2 monitors that I have, I'm wondering what, aside from size, would be the difference (there's a line count difference that might be made up by smaller size). Also, aside from raw tech specs, what are your thoughts on what different monitor types are "worth"? Example: I'm seeing prices for the high def PVMs that are more than the price I paid for 2 SD monitors...
EDIT - just a quick note, my problem with 480i content on a PVM/BVM setup is that the 'vibration' from the interlacing is very pronounced (example: Gradius IV's weapon selection bar).
I have a similar bvm as the one you should in this episode and currently I'm having a nightmare as to what speakers to buy for it.
I really REALLY do care that much for audio quality man it's just that important as is video in my humble opinion.
William Marston My answer may not be what you're looking for, but just to tell you my setup, I have a small 2 channel receiver and OK speakers. Depends on what your sources are. I think you could go with a good 2 or 2.1 channel setup for anything 32bit/CD and earlier, as there wasn't much surround support before that, but Xbox Original and up supports optical out, so that gets complicated quickly.
You really take the time to put some great videos together. Seriously impressive.
Fantastic video, completely amazed on how good it is
Another great video Phonedork! Keep up the good work! Cheers!
just got through watching your videos, brilliant stuff and congrats on your rgb setup, insanely good!
I wholeheartedly agree with your point regarding how scanlines are just as important on 3D graphics as they are on 2D. Well motivated and great video in general.
God damn I love that double dragon tune!
I've been hooked on it since the original gameboy version back in the day.
Great video, I want one of these!
Awesome video. Very helpful and informative.
Always love your vids!
I've lost count of the amount of times I keep going back to this video, Phonedork! I've been scaling my 240p content to a windowed 960p with scanlines from the SLG 3000.
I thought I understood how to get the best picture until I watched this. Great video, I need to research more.
Great video! I usually end up watching your videos 2 or 3 times because you pack so much stuff into them that I miss the first time around, which is not a bad thing btw. This was definitely worth the wait! :D
I think you are handling the retro gaming at some GOD level
Excellent information, and entertaining as always. I like how you string together different topics and tie everything together. You must put a shitload of work into these videos!
+shredguitarkev Its very hard! As a matter of fact I was getting overwhelmed by all the shit I wanted to cover
Oh my god, I barely understand all you are talking about, but seriously, what a great work...
I’m rewatching this for the 15th time & I still don’t understand everything 😂
Impressive cabling job right there phonedork.
Incredibly informative, thank you!
Hey dork! I just bought myself a 20m2du! Can't wait to see what awesomeness comes from it! It's a 600 line 20 incher but I looked at videos of it and it seems pretty sharp. I'm so excited!
best retro knowledge by far. thank you sir.
This video was incredibly useful.
That hour went by pretty fast. Thanks for the vid!
phonedork you are a blessing to this world
Way ahead if you're time awesome videos!
You're the man phonedork, I have the BVM-20E1U HR and it's awesome for 240p and 480i content.
Fantastic video and awesome channel! Think I've found a hidden gem here kkkkk
Great video! Thanks for making it in Full HD! :)
It's am hard to do 1080p when your computer is a old 2009 IMac. It would have been much easier had I got a new computer
This is a great video man, keep it up!
+Leonx3 Thanks buddy!
this video is a masterpiece, love it... now if only I could get my RGB mini setting nice... but thats only for recording, I play on a Sony PVM 20M2MDU and I have the output going to my Mini.
Great and PRO review, detailed and well presented. Just a off topic note: your voice tone is similar to John Di Maggio's one (he is the voice actor of Joker in Batman Under the Red Hood) ! Cheers, M!
Wow 1 minute of watching and I subbed, video specs, cables management, racks!!! How do you now have more subs? Edit: HOT DAMN this guy has jokes and production quality
Fellow genius.. I commend you and your skills.
You had me at the intro music. Sparkster. Win.
Awesome music!
God I miss Phonedork videos
Where has he gone??
You have noooooooo idea how much i miss him too brother
Same here
So much info, gonna have to watch it a few times for it all to click. Tho I would love to see a video on ways to hook up alot of systems to one tv. So many things to pick from.
Your videos have a great quality always! I am going you enjoy this for sure :-)
Thank you! Your arcade videos are awesome too! So jealous!!!
Worth noting the impact and behavior for folks using an 'Analogue NT' (Uses HiDef Nes)- you cleared alot of stuff up. And I'm scratching my head too on the 4.5 / 5 scaling matter. Was sticking to 720P which it handles much better than 1080. Hadn't known there was additional lag. Hopefully a firmware update will address Excellent vid..p.s. you gave Taylor Lautner (Rediculous Six) a run for his $$ !!
this channel is gold, where have you disappeared man !!!
Great video 😎
Love the intro music! General Chaos! theme
I'm a Framemeister junkie but man these videos are fucking awesome! It's really interesting to see how the consoles look natively from TVs of the time.
I want to see how the scanline "filter" makes an anti-aliasing look, but I find it a bit hard to see. I think that the scanlines sort of make an illusion to look softer
Helloz World That's about half right. Scanlines make details less visible, but they also cover up many visual flaws. This does cause a slightly softer image, but a cleaner one. Personally, I prefer for 2D games to be as sharp as possible without scanlines. I prefer N64 and PS1 3D games to be represented slightly differently, but again, without scanlines. It's all opinion.
***** I personally prefer no scanlines, but I love what scanlines do with the PS1's famous dithering issues.
Helloz World Same. Scanlines work best for 240p 3D games.
I've started to play retro games via emulation with RGB analog video in to a widescreen CRT and the results are stunning, CRT's LOVE down sampling so much and playing PSOne and N64 games at 480i with 3x down sampling applied looks stunning......as do DC, GC and PS2 games.
Dunno, man. 480i is hard to swallow pill, esp on high TVL monitors, where the shimmer is crazy and scanlines just "jump" and give me headache in 10 mins. I bought small "kitchen tv" trinitron(kv 14 model or smth like) to use with my 480i consoles as it's hides interlacing problems due to lower tvl and screen size than my pvm and vga crt(jvc 17 inch pvm and lg flatron f920p 20 inch) and even ps2 with it's crappy video out now looks pretty good and being euro i have rgb inputs even on kitchen tv's, but i still hate 480i :)
Great video! Nice example of how scanlines do justice even for PS1 games that render with polygons. Scanlines rock but more than anything else I enjoy the CRT's because they have absolutely no motion blur. That will always be the downside to LCD's in my opinion.
awesome video must have taken ages. thanks for the work. beautiful. born in 1984, i probably grew up on the same shit you did.
localbroadcast he's like 44yrs old
Can't wait to get the Ultra HDMI. I already have a modder trying to get his hands on it as they become available.
Really miss your videos man, hope you come back with them soon!
Good shit, keep it up.
Great video, see you got yourself finally a extron matrix switcher, the 1 thing that combines it all, except audio, hate those plugs too!! Still don't know how i feel about playing old consoles on modern TVs, when my PVM/BVM dies i will look for new ways, until then OLD SCHOOL ALL THE WAY!! BuBBa you crazy F#ck, you rule! :-)
I love your videos man. I would love to see or hear your thoughts about the OSSC if you had a chance to use one yet.
Dude, too many information! lol great video
Damn this video is impressive. I must admit I just romance the idea of a PVM/BVM and satisfied with my retroarch crt shader for now. N64 at native res + CRT-Pi looks to me exactly like a hdmi N64 with deblur and scanlines
Excellent video as usual! I also have a HiDef NES due to the lag on the XRGB. I seem to only have lag issues with the NES on the XRGB and none of the 16 bit systems or higher. Have you experienced that too?
+KWKBOX Yea.... NES has some of the most demonic platform games ever made. So even the slightest lag can render games unplayable. I really dont like the XRGB mini that much anymore except for recording. I think a HDMI mod on all systems is the only way to go. I dont play enough on the XRGB Mini to say 16 bit consoles have less lag then the 8 bit NES.
Super informative yet entertaining. FYI, I read that the HI Def NES is not capable of 5x scaling not because of other features on the chip but from lack of ram. Apparently adding more would put it in a different price point but maybe one should be offered for video enthusiasts anyways.
Holy crap! That image could never look the same digital!
Just learned today that my Dell Ultrascan P991 vga monitor *natively* supports Sync on Green. Definitely gonna be experimenting with native 480p PS2 games and forcing resolutions with GSM.
Dude please make more retro gaming videos, it’s been 8 years.
8 years is a very long time.
Thanks for the reviews! I am interested in both the Ultra HDMI and the HiDef NES. I hope they take into consideration some of the scaling/integer/scanlines that you mentioned for a firmware update. As for Gimmick, I think it sounded pretty good. I have experience with playing on an the infiniteneslives cart, which uses the same yamaha chip to reproduce the 5B sounds.
Thank you! I do have a hack of Gimmick that sounds pretty damn good. But I used the normal rom on the video. So what is the infiniteneslives cart?
They offer a flashable cartridge PCB and programmer on their website, including a PCB that support the Sunsoft 5b mapper and expansion audio featured on Gimmick.
www.infiniteneslives.com/nessupplies.php#FME7
Really informative. Great video.
I find the Hybrid Scanline option to make the image appear very similar to my PVM. Looks great.
I also go back and forth a little depending on the game. I mostly have the DeBlur off, as even with scanlines I'm not sure I like it fully for everything.
Your voice is so freaking awsome...hrhrhr…
Dude! You are truly the Boss! Awesome videos, I found your chAnnel watching " my life in gaming" youtube channel, your vids are very fun, informative and entertaining, youve got a subscriber in Mexico! I have a question, how much did you invested in ectron gear? Your set up looks awesome! Unfortunately here in Mexico finding a decent BVM is a difficult task... Best wishes man!
Great video. Just getting back into retrogaming after finding some of my old consoles in storage. MLiG, retroRGB and your channel have provided a lot of info. Btw, what is the song that plays from 1:37 to 3:00? Reminds me a bit of storm eagle from megaman x but not quite. Thanks and hope to see more soon.
As someone who’s played through Mega man X 1-7, I can confirm it isn’t from those games lol. I’m also still trying to figure out what song it is
I love your videos man, you're into what I am in to. Retro games are great but all the tech and shit that goes into it is what keeps me going in terms of interest. And Everdrives are great, let'em boo. Too many PVM's and Trinitrons to buy to be bothered with $500 carts.
Fantastic video, Phonedork. I'm now obsessed with getting RGsB from my Xbox as I find the YPBPR 480p output pretty ugly. Unfortunately my current softmodded Xbox is a 1.6 so I'm shit out of luck - and to think I swapped it for an older model due to the 1.6's superior Scart RGB output. I'll have to track down an old one and softmod it again. The quest continues...
+Das Muel Totally agree with your preference for Wii 480i via Scart over 480p - I also (currently) use scart with my original Xbox (upscaled to 1080p by a Micomsoft XPC-4). The colour/contrast etc is so much better, despite the flickering/artifacts etc. 480p via component from these particular systems is pretty ugly in my opinion. If only they'd put a VGA output (à la Dreamcast) on these systems it sure would have saved us obsessives a hell of a lot of trouble a decade-and-a-half down the line. I reckon I could lasso the moon with all the shit I've got running behind my plasma.
+Das Muel I'm currently looking for a 1.6 model as the RGB scart out of my 1.0 model is abysmal. How would you rank the Xbox video quality of the 1.6 YPbPr and 1.6 RGB scart compared to older models?
+Garbagehead3 I can't speak for the YPbPR output of the older models because I haven't got hold of one yet and I always used RGB Scart back in the day. The Scart output of the 1.6 however is head and shoulders above both of the older models I've used in the past. The colours/contrast etc from the 1.6 are fantastic - it's a little bit on the soft side (due to a pretty aggressive flicker filter I think) but apart from that it's the shit. YPbPR's okay, but half a step down in my opinion (putting to one side the interlaced flickering etc).
If I ever came over to play Mario Kart 64, I'd LOVE to play it on that Sony BVM20F1U. LOL
very indersating
I have ur setup and it is godlike. People can't understand how good the monitor is unless they actually see it. It's like hdr on old content.
what a hell was that?!!!!!!!!!! this youtube video is just AMAZING, both WHAT and HOW, bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
+Ruslan Pseunok Thank you Ruslan!!!
Great as always.
Curse the pal region and it's lack of RGB monitors!
...well god damn
what a legend
You know you made it in life when Coury or TRY4 from MyLifeInGaming pays a visit in the comment section
I hope you get a BVM 32" (or PVM 32") and cover that one of these days.
My body is ready
For another phonedork vid
In an interview, Kevtris was asked why he did not include a 5x vertical integer, in the High Def NES kit. He said that he tried, but the NES did not have enough memory to execute it.
Fantastic video as always. Could watch it all day long! Now, ahem.. If someone could name the song at 27:34 for me, i'd be most grateful. I -know- i've heard it recently and its driving me insane not knowing. I love your music choices, so good. As someone else mentioned. A brief tracklist would be oh so nice.
Keep it up!
whirlwind from shinobi III
so much stuff I didn't understand. all these syncs, resolutions, picture quality, hertz , etc. holy moly I better do some research
I think if I want large screen gaming on retro consoles I shall hold out for that holy grail find of a NEC XM37 plus - here's to dreaming...
Yeah I been wanting to rgb mod my n64 for a while now but I think i might stick with s-video for a little while longer. At least until they give us a de-blur option for the rgb mod.
Very informative video! I was thinking about picking up one of these kinds of Sony TVs and control unit/matrix switchers for retro gaming once I get a bit more cash, but I don't think I'm knowledgeable enough yet to make an informed decision. Quick question unrelated to the TV itself: Do you have the names of the sound tracks you used in this video? They were all solid choices!
Dumb question. On the sony pvm's with external sync bnc input can you use ps1 and n64 scart cables with sync on luma? Do you have the dreamcast and toro? Just trying to look up if I need a sync stripper? I don't think I need it but not 100% sure. All my systems work fine on my xrgb without a stripper and all my cables are from retro console accessories. I was just on a cruise and due to weather we had an excursion cancelled. Just putting the money to good use. I also plan on hooking my pvm up to my supergun and raspberry pi. Supergun wise I have a neo geo mvs and will soon be getting a cps2 with multi (waiting for dead board to show up on ebay). I thought about getting a astro city arcade cabinet but I dont have the room. I made a mame pc with tankstick, lightgun, led buttons and sticks, and beefed up sound. Hard to rig a astro city for widescreen games and I was eyeballing a pi instead to go inside it. Kind of getting a dissembled crt arcade with the pvm, pi, and my two sticks (one happ one sanwa). Just need to preorder that gscartsw lite so I won't have to unplug replug all my devices. Currently using 3 of those 3 way scart switches which are all daisy chained. Going to try arcadeforge's scart2pi adapter to pull a 240p scart picture to the pvm. Retrorgb was saying great things about it. Love your videos. Just wish KC had pvms on craigslist. $300-400 shipping gamble is in my near future.
I just wanted to say big thumbs up from me in regards to the everdrive and clone system comments. I myself use these types of carts for my famicom and super nintendo and you're right, it is the same fucking thing! Playing original carts on clone systems, now that's a big fat nope.
Will you be getting an OSSC???
Not sure... I already have the xrgb mini. If i can get my hands on one in the future I will review it
Awesome vid, phonedork! Quick question about sync on green! You have a PVM 2030, which has sync on green, yes? Just wondering if syncing on green, with a console that can do so, will bump up the resolution of that particular monitor to 480p?? Thanks, man! Keep up the great work!
If your console supports sync on green and 480p resolutions it should be fine. Just remember to turn the external sync off once you activate sync on green
That cancer comment was damn spot on.
@PhoneDork
Of the beautiful CRT's you're using, which has been your favorite? Is there a big step up from the PVM-20M2MDU to the Sony BVM-D20F1U?
I've a Victor WonderMega and a JVC X'Eye with Scart and would like to connect
I got an Analogue NT with integrated HiDef NES; if you pass the hdmi through your XRGB Mini, you can enable Zoom and get a true 5x vertical scale. That being said it may add some lag but its not noticeable for me, personally.
According to Kevtris on his forums, the FPGA used in the hidef nes isn't powerful enough to do 5x vertical scale unfortunately. Would require a whole new design and it sounds like he's kind of sick of working on this.
Feel free to chime in Kevtris!
My boy phonedork is at it again! Great vid man
Good call on the Extron Matrixes. They're pro-grade and versatile as fuck. Only thing is : you need to either modify your console SCART cables to 5 BNC connectors, or get your cable provider to do it for you. I wish i did just that when I bought all my console RGB cables -_- Now it's too late, I'm not re-buying RGB cables for all my consoles!
Extron gear in general is a blessing for retrogamers. My Extron RGB interface acts as a sync combiner, a brightness/contrast/horizontal position/vertical position adjuster, and it even let's me transform 480i signals into 240p ones, for when I want to play ps2 compilations of older games with scanlines, and the such. It also allows me to use the ps2's 480p SOG signal through scart without a sweat.
On 480i : I also like it on a professional CRT. I like to watch movies and anime on a 480i PVM once in a while, I actually like the flicker, and the image is sharp as hell. But what I don't like, though, is when there are charachters or object that move fast (or a fast camera panning), then you get combing artifacts, and those look pretty nasty IMO. But at least in movies you don't get an awful lot of them.
Speaking of CRTs : did you think that the 20F1U was thighter than the D24E1WU for 240p stuff?
BTW, that's a nice way to handle cable mangment, with the AV rack and all. Keeps everything tidy. Going the route of BNC connectors with RGB sure makes for a lot of fucking wires
+FinalBaton Thanks buddy! Yea I love the Extron matrix switcher.... Except for its size. The Extron RGB is something I can live without as I dont really need it unless I want VGA. I can do sync on green with no issues without it.
phonedork yeah I don't need an Extron RGB either for sync combining and SOG, the NEC handles all of that perfectly fine.
Only thing it adds to my setup is the ability to transform 480i signals into 240p ones. This is how I play the Street Fighter Alpha series (the "Street Fighter Alpha collection on PS") and Super Street Fighter Turbo II (Dreamcast) with scanlines
Oh and the "level" and "peak" dials are pretty handy. That's a nice bonus.
FinalBaton what extron model do you have?
+AppleClassicGamer I have the Extron 580xi. But there are a couple of other Extron RGB interfaces that can pull off the "240p trick" on CRTs. I suggest you check out the hardware sub forum at shmups(dot)system11(dot)org, there's a thread that identifies the compatible model. Worst case just ask yourself in there.
FinalBaton what model would you recommend for me? I've got a pvm 14m2mdu and a pvm 1354q