I've been spraying wheels at full temp (400f ) for 27 years with no tip on my Wagner gun. I also hang the wheel through the valve stem hole with a 1/4 20 eye bolt
I’ve been powder coating for less than a year now, and your videos are helping me so much in learning. The business I work for doesn’t really know anything about it themselves and kind of just taught me the basics and said “here you go”, I’m able to ask questions but I get a lot of “I don’t know”s, so thank you so much!
We tend to spray hot when working with hinges or extreme/tight creases in metal. We started doing some toolboxes that require a hot spray, but I tried other methods and found what works best for me is spraying those particular spots hot, cooling the part completely, and spraying back over it. We also don’t have a mil thickness tester though, so I’m not sure if we’re within range or evenly spread, but the product always comes out looking good so I don’t complain
This is a great approach, if you need to get a few tough areas hot, then let it cool and spray the rest, it tends to work great! Glad you are finding the channel useful!
I've been powder coating for 5 years and always powder coat hot. Never had a problem. I do let the wheel cool down to about 80c before I clear coat tho
I was tought to do most everything hot. But I do it a tad differently. I spray it at 250, then go right back into the oven and let it sit at 380-400 for 10 minutes and I haven't had any issues so far, really the only thing I shoot cold is 2 tones and fades. Not trying to attack or anything. Just putting my way out there. Loves the videos!!
You KNOW I tried a HOT spray (and TBH...no idea WTF I was doing and I sprayed WAAAAY to hot...being as you was live with me at the time...)....that pushed me away from hot layers... While I have successfully hot coated a part with gloss black now...I must agree...gotta know your gun, you resident area....and a million other possible factors... Can it work in a pinch? Sure....if you know WTF your doing. I feel as I got lucky that day And we know...luck only goes so far.... Thankfully with all the help you have given me since day 1....I’ve gotten a lot better at a lot... I still have a ton to learn....and honestly I turn here to learn most of that. Thanks Shawn .....for helping us newbs out.
Hello, i have me wheels powder coated. And when the tires where mounted the paint cracked on the edges where the machine pads grabbed it. What culd be the problem? The paint was too tick, or somthing?
I shoot almost all cast parts hot to help reduce the outgassing that occurs as the air in porous castings expands when the part is heated. No matter how much pre baking I do, some cast parts just always bubble during the baking process. I found if I heat the part to 400F the pore space has already been heated and the part is in equalization. Because the part is already hot, the air has been expanded from the pores before you coat it which eliminates or minimizes pinholes and bubbles. My question is regarding your comment about spraying the part hot and then letting it fully cool down before you put the item back into the oven for a full cure. What are your thoughts on allowing the part to fully cool down before placing it back into the oven for a full cure vs putting it back into the oven while the part is hot?
honestly I dont have any real thoughts on it. I have friends who do it the same way I do, I have friends who throw it right back in the oven. I would say until you find a reason NOT TO, then keep doing it
That tire looks worse than the original powder coat did. I’m surprised he wanted it. The Ciara you did looks great. I’ll hot coat small objects sometimes, but never have done it on something large. I do glass and you have to hot coat that.
Love doing black hot you can rally see how it should turn out silver was a pain in the a,r,s,e lacquer had to be put on cold as it would change the shade to grey love doing wheels very satisfying good video
Have you ever had reason to use separate hoses for clears , Metallics, blacks etc? New to the hopper style setup and cleaned my hoses like your earlier vid on cleaning and still had a little contamination...
I use about 10 different hoses. Basically to eliminate those problems. I have one for black, silver/grey, red, blue/purple, green, yellow, orange, pink, clear and clear with flake, oh and white. so 11 lol
Great video. Question, I noticed that you don't spray powder on the rear area where it meats the wheel hub, but you do spray where the lugs go. Is this a personal preference? I am just wondering why if you like the wheel area to be bare, why not the lug area as well? Thanks.
Great Job, Man!! I've shot "Hot" a couple of times. It's most certainly nerve wracking. I have a couple of wheels in my shop are demo wheels. I've practiced shooting hot on those rims. One of them is a very basic design, the other is a little more complex. My suggestion for anyone shooting hot is to practice! Do it on something that you own. Also, like Shawn said, get to know your gun! I have a Kool Koat HD currently. I haven't shot hot with that one yet. Still feeling my way around the settings.Thanks again for another great video UKC!!
I hot flock everything. I have made a few modifications to my gun so I can better control the amount of powder coming out of my gun. Getting the right MIL thickness is my only concern with hot flocking.
@@UnknownCoatings Ya I know that. I shoot basic colors single tone colors. I'm not shooting the more exotic colors so for me, hot flocking works just fine.
Hey Brotha love the content and just subscribed on UA-cam and followed you on IG. What’s your thoughts on spraying forged wheels in a candy transparent rose gold. Thought on prep and durability. The powder coat store sells the powder but doesn’t spec topcoat requirements and UV resistance. Wasn’t sure if you’ve ever used their products and how you liked them. Thanks 🤘🏼
Heres one. What would be the proper spacing while doing a bulk of parts. I have 60 rims in a 6x6x8 oven I can fit around 20 rims 2 inch apart. But I dont think that would benefit me if there not curing correctly? 1st I know less space to heat so temp can be reached fast on certain part of the over posible burning the part and on the other side not curing at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
how do you keep that old tire changer from scratching the wheel where it clamps on the bottom? I did not see anything between the clamping part and the wheel.
Depends on the wheel, despite being "old" its been well maintained and I do have nylon wheel protectors I put on occasionally, or shop rags. I knew this tire was going to go on easy so I didnt have to worry about it slipping or anything.
I would love to join on facebook, but I'm banned. Happened a few years back. I asked the wrong questions of the wrong person. Nothing dirty, it was actually a religious question of religious leader. Lmao I always thought go to the source(or as near as possible).
I want to get my forged rims powdercoated, but i hear stories of it messing up the rims. Is this true or a wisetail? Anything i can do to prevent it besides getting paint on em?
@@UnknownCoatings that's awesome I just ordered it. You going to compare to UP? I know it won't compare but curious to see how close it is. Keep the vids coming my friend
I'm just curious how you track a temperature of a part or a wheel? Because powder has to be baked at X ammount of degrees for X ammount of time. And every part is different, different materials reaches temp. differently too. Is it eyeballig from experience or there is some techniques? Because now I'm just cheking temp with digital temp meter ant start the timer when I see part has reached desired temperature. Also how over baking or under baking affects the end result of paint? BIG regards ant thank tou for creating this type of content, greeting from the middle of Europe.
infrared thermometer is key, overbaking various a lot by color and chemical make up of the powder. Typically it can effect color and it ALSO can make it more brittle. under curing gives you issues with durability
use a competent tire person. Any machine made in the last 15 years is designed to basically be touchless for the wheel. So it shouldnt mess it up ever.
When shooting wheels I always heat them up for around 8 mins at 400. Shoot them hot for the first coat and follow up with a dry coat once they've cooled down a bit.
@@UnknownCoatings I feel like a lot of people could benefit from this. Including myself. Proper grounding, earth ground, wire coming from earth ground, how it’s attached to hanger in booth. How to tell if you have a good ground, etc. thanks! We look forward to it
Look on sherwin Williams page for a blending facility near you. I walked into one today and was able to buy mirror black. The bad news is that you have to buy a whole box, can’t just get a few pounds.
I've been spraying wheels at full temp (400f ) for 27 years with no tip on my Wagner gun. I also hang the wheel through the valve stem hole with a 1/4 20 eye bolt
nice!
So you just spray them and let them cool down ??
I’ve been powder coating for less than a year now, and your videos are helping me so much in learning. The business I work for doesn’t really know anything about it themselves and kind of just taught me the basics and said “here you go”, I’m able to ask questions but I get a lot of “I don’t know”s, so thank you so much!
We tend to spray hot when working with hinges or extreme/tight creases in metal. We started doing some toolboxes that require a hot spray, but I tried other methods and found what works best for me is spraying those particular spots hot, cooling the part completely, and spraying back over it.
We also don’t have a mil thickness tester though, so I’m not sure if we’re within range or evenly spread, but the product always comes out looking good so I don’t complain
This is a great approach, if you need to get a few tough areas hot, then let it cool and spray the rest, it tends to work great! Glad you are finding the channel useful!
I've been powder coating for 5 years and always powder coat hot. Never had a problem. I do let the wheel cool down to about 80c before I clear coat tho
Is there an advantage for waiting for a lower temperature before applying clear coat as opposed to applying base coats at higher temperatures ?
I was tought to do most everything hot. But I do it a tad differently. I spray it at 250, then go right back into the oven and let it sit at 380-400 for 10 minutes and I haven't had any issues so far, really the only thing I shoot cold is 2 tones and fades. Not trying to attack or anything. Just putting my way out there. Loves the videos!!
I do mine warm since my shop is not very warm I do them at about 100 degrees I get good coverage and adhesion they turn out great
Nice!
Finish quality was really good on that. Very little orange peel or other defects.
thank you sir
You KNOW I tried a HOT spray (and TBH...no idea WTF I was doing and I sprayed WAAAAY to hot...being as you was live with me at the time...)....that pushed me away from hot layers...
While I have successfully hot coated a part with gloss black now...I must agree...gotta know your gun, you resident area....and a million other possible factors...
Can it work in a pinch? Sure....if you know WTF your doing. I feel as I got lucky that day
And we know...luck only goes so far....
Thankfully with all the help you have given me since day 1....I’ve gotten a lot better at a lot...
I still have a ton to learn....and honestly I turn here to learn most of that.
Thanks Shawn .....for helping us newbs out.
Amazingly well done! Pure perfection. Does the tyre fitting device scratch the wheel after the fresh paint?
No most tire machines dont even touch the wheel
Awesome job on the narration. Very informative! However, I think I will stick with spraying cold.
I appreciate it and I feel ya lol
I think I have a problem, I check for new videos daily even though I have notifications on lol
I try to get videos out as often as I can!
great video! what size eyebolts do you use for your wheels, and where did you get that cool valve stem tool? TIA
I got the tool from a local tire shop supply house but they have em on amazon and ebay as well. 5/16" eyebolts
Hello, i have me wheels powder coated. And when the tires where mounted the paint cracked on the edges where the machine pads grabbed it. What culd be the problem? The paint was too tick, or somthing?
I shoot almost all cast parts hot to help reduce the outgassing that occurs as the air in porous castings expands when the part is heated. No matter how much pre baking I do, some cast parts just always bubble during the baking process. I found if I heat the part to 400F the pore space has already been heated and the part is in equalization. Because the part is already hot, the air has been expanded from the pores before you coat it which eliminates or minimizes pinholes and bubbles. My question is regarding your comment about spraying the part hot and then letting it fully cool down before you put the item back into the oven for a full cure.
What are your thoughts on allowing the part to fully cool down before placing it back into the oven for a full cure vs putting it back into the oven while the part is hot?
honestly I dont have any real thoughts on it. I have friends who do it the same way I do, I have friends who throw it right back in the oven. I would say until you find a reason NOT TO, then keep doing it
That tire looks worse than the original powder coat did. I’m surprised he wanted it. The Ciara you did looks great. I’ll hot coat small objects sometimes, but never have done it on something large. I do glass and you have to hot coat that.
Love doing black hot you can rally see how it should turn out silver was a pain in the a,r,s,e lacquer had to be put on cold as it would change the shade to grey love doing wheels very satisfying good video
All this talk lately about coating hot makes me want to experiment with some of my ways lol nice work!
definitely takes some learning but like i said, it has its place.
Does your tire machine ever knacker freshly painted wheels dude,
Have you ever had reason to use separate hoses for clears , Metallics, blacks etc? New to the hopper style setup and cleaned my hoses like your earlier vid on cleaning and still had a little contamination...
I use about 10 different hoses. Basically to eliminate those problems. I have one for black, silver/grey, red, blue/purple, green, yellow, orange, pink, clear and clear with flake, oh and white. so 11 lol
@@UnknownCoatings where do you get the gun hoses and adapters
Great video. Question, I noticed that you don't spray powder on the rear area where it meats the wheel hub, but you do spray where the lugs go. Is this a personal preference? I am just wondering why if you like the wheel area to be bare, why not the lug area as well? Thanks.
Great Job, Man!! I've shot "Hot" a couple of times. It's most certainly nerve wracking. I have a couple of wheels in my shop are demo wheels. I've practiced shooting hot on those rims. One of them is a very basic design, the other is a little more complex. My suggestion for anyone shooting hot is to practice! Do it on something that you own. Also, like Shawn said, get to know your gun! I have a Kool Koat HD currently. I haven't shot hot with that one yet. Still feeling my way around the settings.Thanks again for another great video UKC!!
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I hot flock everything. I have made a few modifications to my gun so I can better control the amount of powder coming out of my gun. Getting the right MIL thickness is my only concern with hot flocking.
hot flocking can work in most cases but certain colors stand a zero percent chance of turning out well when hot flocked
@@UnknownCoatings Ya I know that. I shoot basic colors single tone colors. I'm not shooting the more exotic colors so for me, hot flocking works just fine.
Can you hot flock silvers?
Flawless as always. Can you fabricate a mistake so we know you’re human 😂
I dig this video format. Super chill watch
bruh I PROMISE I mess stuff up lol
yeah no shit man!
Hey Brotha love the content and just subscribed on UA-cam and followed you on IG.
What’s your thoughts on spraying forged wheels in a candy transparent rose gold. Thought on prep and durability. The powder coat store sells the powder but doesn’t spec topcoat requirements and UV resistance. Wasn’t sure if you’ve ever used their products and how you liked them. Thanks 🤘🏼
Heres one. What would be the proper spacing while doing a bulk of parts. I have 60 rims in a 6x6x8 oven I can fit around 20 rims 2 inch apart. But I dont think that would benefit me if there not curing correctly? 1st I know less space to heat so temp can be reached fast on certain part of the over posible burning the part and on the other side not curing at all. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
In your links I see all of the things you use except the brand of gun you use
Not sure if it's my phone or the video upload, the volume is very very quiet, brother.
Otherwise appreciate the hard-work!
audio seems ok! but i will look into it
how do you keep that old tire changer from scratching the wheel where it clamps on the bottom? I did not see anything between the clamping part and the wheel.
Depends on the wheel, despite being "old" its been well maintained and I do have nylon wheel protectors I put on occasionally, or shop rags. I knew this tire was going to go on easy so I didnt have to worry about it slipping or anything.
Yeah that is such a clean finish
Thank you! I appreciate it!
I would love to join on facebook, but I'm banned. Happened a few years back. I asked the wrong questions of the wrong person. Nothing dirty, it was actually a religious question of religious leader. Lmao I always thought go to the source(or as near as possible).
I want to get my forged rims powdercoated, but i hear stories of it messing up the rims. Is this true or a wisetail? Anything i can do to prevent it besides getting paint on em?
Would there be a difference if the wheel got vapor blasted compared to sand ?
Great video. Drives me absolutely crazy how many times your bare hands touch that prepped wheel though lol not going to lie.
hah i feel ya, I cant imagine what I will think when I see evidence of it being an issue. 12 years deep
Do you think the ground would make any difference in the way it comes out when shooting hot?
Only if you have the kv's turned on lol if you can turn em to zero then I suppose it wouldn't
Great job! I have a question, why did you spray it specifically at 267 Fahrenheit?
As always great video. I would love to see you do some of the new holographic black from prismatic. Keep up the great vids
sprayed it today! Video is coming
@@UnknownCoatings that's awesome I just ordered it. You going to compare to UP? I know it won't compare but curious to see how close it is. Keep the vids coming my friend
hi when you shoot cold do you experience pops on the powder ? if you do why does it? thank you!!!
You say it's 264 and that's a little but closer to where u wanna be!? Is this c/f and what's the desired temp :)
264 F. 260-290 is ideal for me. But everyone will have things that work for them
I like your work, do you know any one in Miami that does the same as you?
Why let it cool before throwing back on the oven? I’ve always got it back in the oven as fast as possible ?
there are differences of opinion, this way has always worked for me, so no reason to change it.
@@UnknownCoatings Do you think waiting for it too cool totally before putting it back in the oven avoids drips & sags?
I'm just curious how you track a temperature of a part or a wheel? Because powder has to be baked at X ammount of degrees for X ammount of time. And every part is different, different materials reaches temp. differently too. Is it eyeballig from experience or there is some techniques? Because now I'm just cheking temp with digital temp meter ant start the timer when I see part has reached desired temperature. Also how over baking or under baking affects the end result of paint? BIG regards ant thank tou for creating this type of content, greeting from the middle of Europe.
infrared thermometer is key,
overbaking various a lot by color and chemical make up of the powder. Typically it can effect color and it ALSO can make it more brittle.
under curing gives you issues with durability
Curious what few transparent colors you like to spray hot?
reds, and a couple greens.
Whats the best way to mount tires without screwing up the coating job
use a competent tire person. Any machine made in the last 15 years is designed to basically be touchless for the wheel. So it shouldnt mess it up ever.
When shooting wheels I always heat them up for around 8 mins at 400. Shoot them hot for the first coat and follow up with a dry coat once they've cooled down a bit.
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bro there's any other product non chemical for speed up the stripping process? cause in my island is nearly impossible to get on those chemicals stuff
Big sand blasting setup
Great video!!
Thank you good sir!
Do you ever scratch the rim when refitting the tire , how would you avoid it, thanks, nice work
I have once but it was my mistake. typically no. Newer or high end machines typically make it so there is no metal contact
@@UnknownCoatings cheers mate
30/60? wow thats rough
Thank you sir much respect
I appreciate it!
Do you have a video on grounding?
i dont, but I can make one, what info you looking for?
@@UnknownCoatings I feel like a lot of people could benefit from this. Including myself. Proper grounding, earth ground, wire coming from earth ground, how it’s attached to hanger in booth. How to tell if you have a good ground, etc. thanks! We look forward to it
Hot, what temp for it to powder coat?
great vid/info
Thank you, I appreciate it!
In this scenario how would you go about putting on a clear coat?
Not sure what you mean. Like when would you add clear?
@@UnknownCoatings yes do you hot flock it then bake it for a few then add clear or?
It you shoot the base hot...
Put it in the overn for like 10 min .
Take it out let it cool for like 10 min.
Shoot the clear...then bake for 18 to 20
great video as always, where can i buy this sherwin williams powder.
Thank you
Sherwin Williams web page has a store locater, make sure you put PRODUCT FINISHES as the type of store you are looking for
Look on sherwin Williams page for a blending facility near you. I walked into one today and was able to buy mirror black. The bad news is that you have to buy a whole box, can’t just get a few pounds.
I want to buy Eastwood powder coating gun... Can u help me . I am from india
dont buy an eastwood
@@UnknownCoatings why? It's cheap and it's not for business.. just for hobby...
That looks like kapton tape.
That’s a very shiny black for sure. Quality work for sure.
I appreciate it good sir!
100% Very nice 👍👍
Thank you sir!
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WE COULDNT SEE ANYTHING BECAUSE YOU KEPT MOVING THE CAMERA, DO NOT PAN OVER THE WHEEL, KEEP THE CAMERA STILL SO WE CAN SEE.
Boy shut up. If you can't see what's happening here it's because you are slow. Has nothing to do with the camera angle or movement.
aren't you plugging your lug holes by taping the back side of it?