Allen Iverson and Larry Brown’s beef was so thick even a finals berth couldn’t cut through it
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- If you merely glance at Larry Brown and Allen Iverson's relationship, you see they got to the finals in '01 and say "that's nice" and move along. But if you peel back the packaging, you see that for six long seasons they suffered each other.
They had fundamental differences in many categories, from how to run an offense, to how much to party in Miami (Brown: none. Allen: as much as he wants who cares if there's a game tomorrow).
The fact that they got to the finals despite their feuding is remarkable, and makes you wonder what could have happened if they had gotten along. ...and to avoid ending on a sad note, lemme just say, they're friends now! (the video will explain)
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Huge respect for Brown in his later years putting more of the blame on himself. Same with AI, it’s just sad pride got in the way during those actual years.
Same thing happened with Kobe and Shaq
Gained respect right there. I hope he’s sincere about it
@Raytheslay say you’re short without saying you’re short 🤣
Larry was an excellent game manager and a defensive wizard.
I wish they allowed zone defense back in Larry's Day. IMO his teams already were top five defensive teams each year and the ability to play zone would have put them over the top.
@Raytheslay nñnnnnnnñnnnnnnnnnnñ
It was a blessing In disguise for Larry Brown, ending up with the Pistons after as there was no better team to have a team culture that fit his way of coaching the game really
Larry Brown tried get Allen Iverson on Charlotte Bobcats at end of his career. But Michael Jordan and FO didn't want to sign A.I.
@@deionreed6124 cause he sucked, one of the most disruptive and overrated superstars in all of sports.
Fun to watch, but ultimately Iverson was an inefficient midget who wasn't hard to shut down and deliver him and his "team" a loss.
@@noshotnova2432 he I understand your comment myself I'm never gonna call a pro athlete overrated or a midget especially someone who achieved success A.I. did at his size. I get you may not be biggest fan but just to try discredit and give negative perspective isn't fair either
@@deionreed6124 true but Iverson was so flawed it's insane, he was "cool" and culturally he was loved.
He still was a cancer to every team he ever played on.
Very similar to Tyson, way more hype than substance
@@deionreed6124 a funny Iverson stat, he shot 38% from the field in the same year he led in FGA with something like 24 lol
That is a hilariously toxic stat
Imagine a little dude chucking 25 shots a game and missing over 60% of them
Iverson was basically the NBA version of Julian Newman
This was less a beef and more a relationship drama. Two people who clearly wanted each other's love and respect, yet kept sabotaging themselves with stubbornness and pride until there was nothing left of the relationship but sadness and regret. It's actually kind of heartbreaking from a basketball standpoint.
You just described my first marriage
@@bub6010 I imagine that describes more than a few people's relationships unfortunately.
Damn. That hits different
People forget the end of the practice rant and why AI was really upset: “I’m upset for one reason: Cause I’m in here. I lost. I lost my best friend. I lost him, and I lost this year. Everything is just going downhill for me, as far as just that. You know, as far as my life. And then I’m dealing with this.
“My best friend is dead. Dead. And we lost. And this is what I have to go through for the rest of the summer until the season is all over again.”
Yup ppl focus on the practice jokes. But if they talked about the whole story they'd realize it's not funny.
@@nasholston5112 nobody realizes that basketball isn't the most important thing most of these dudes lives. There are a ton of guys in the league who don't even like Ball, they just are tall and have peeps to take care of.
Thank you, AI was great for the league
He's still a diva before his best friend dies That's why he never won a ring and left the NBA because he's an egomaniac who never knows how to sacrifice for the better of his team
100% AI was let down by everyone who let him take that press conference
2 very difficult, very talented guys. I wonder if they actually motivated each other in some odd way. Like they both swore they'd get the other to their side at some point.
Iverson seemed stubborn to his last days, refusing to come off the bench regardless of his downgrade in skills.
@@asecretone It’s different when your a coach who gets results. Players don’t have 30 years to try to win and can’t jump jobs like a coach can. Coaches have more room to be stubborn.
@@iAintSayDat the great ones are all stubborn. They become GOATs when they end up with the right coach who knows how to deal with them. So basically Phil Jackson 😆😆 at least recently
@Raytheslay Ever? In history? EVER??
@Raytheslay Neither in top 10
Iverson was insanely good, and there were legitimate reasons for him to be frustrated... he handled conflict like a child though.
Volume shooter. Those dudes are never elite. AI averaged 42% shooting his career, and if your Number 1 shoots 42%, you cannot win a ring.
@@FalconPaladin His efficiency was on par with Zeke's.
He should have parted ways with the team early or make it a "him or me" situation. That weird love hate relationship can work, but when it doesnt repeatedly one just has to go. He could for sure have won a ring on another team. Metta world peace won a ring ffs.
@@benjaminan1183 Zeke played in an era where you could shove people mid air on defense, he made up for his efficiency on the defensive end.
@@janoycresnova9156 Yet he made it to the Hall Of Fame so his I Q wasn't that bad.
Not surprising. Larry Brown is a perfectionist. That '04 Detroit Team fit his personality the best!
Real shame he left them almost immediately.
"I'm Mugsy Bogues! I'm Mugsy Bogues!" I'm in tears.
Y'all talking 'bout beef? Not a game, not the game..we here talkin bout beef.
I remember after Brown left it was just a turntable of head coaches for the Sixers.
Randy Ayers lasted just 52 games in 2003-04, and Chris Ford for the remaining 30 games.
Then hired Jim O’Brien, who actually led them to a 10 win improvement that next season at 43-39 and a playoff berth.
They fired O’Brien and immediately that same day hired Maurice Cheeks, who GM Billy King said the main reason they hired Cheeks was just because he was “Philadelphia royalty”
In his 3 1/2 years with Philly, Cheeks was 122-147 and never led them to winning season once during that time.
Cheeks was a great player, but definitely had an inept coaching career
So, Cheeks was cheeks as a head coach? Lol
Thus is why Billy King is a terrible GM
They didn’t fire brown. He resigned
@@RobertsLyric Oh shoot my bad. Yeah some reason I keep thinking that was a firing
I knew almost none of this story but still found this video is oddly beautiful, especially the ending. Two individuals who were as much their own enemies as they were each other's, eventually coming to find peace in themselves THROUGH each other, as result of their own respective self-reflection.
Both individuals were made constantly aware of their shortcomings by the other, but it had little lasting impact. Them coming to these conclusions about themselves on their own, sounds to be what ultimately mended their relationship.
Good for them. We've never seen enough of that.
As a Philadelphian that thouroughly followed the sixers at the time, it was the world's best reality show
Best way to sum it up
One interesting thing that got smoothed over with the failed Iverson trade: Matt Geiger didn't quite have a no trade clause, he had a trade kicker which would give him a little extra cash if he got traded, not even a no trade clause. That extra salary that he refused to give up was what sunk the trade.
Yeah, that's true....(Like, who would give Matt Geiger a no trade clause??? LOL), but it really was that small refusal of salary that stopped that trade from happening. Wild.
Smoothed over? In football terms, that's more like they missed wide to the left!
On top of that, who the heck would give a NTC to a regular ass joe of a role player like Geiger? That's wasted resources, if ever I saw such a thing.
who was in that trade? what teams? who would the sixers have gotten?
@@chaosgreyblood That's Billy King for you :). I remember Geiger having a decent season (decent, by no means spectacular by any regard) for the hornets in 1998, and then the Sixers MASSIVELY overpaid him to be our starting center that summer, and he was so average for us. And he didn't quite have a no trade clause - he had a trade kicker that would've actually given him a bump in salary had he been traded, but, I guess he liked Philly & what we had so he didn't waive it and that's what kept AI that summer. Billy King was just an awful GM, but that Geiger contract was especially bad. A massive overpay, and he ended up as like, our third center by the end of the 2001 season, behind Mutombo & Todd McColluch
@@stvdog Googling tells me the Sixers would have gotten Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, Dale Ellis, and Jerome Williams
One of the saddest things in NBA history. I don’t know anyone doesn’t wonder what could have been if AI and Brown had worked out.
That was my thought too, this is actually a sad story. It’s possible AI legacy would be WAY better if they had both realized what they had in each other at the time.
I just don't see it that way. What is there to wonder about? Larry Brown tried to drag Philly to a Championship kicking and screaming and Iverson wasn't having it. Brown won the next year with Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton in his back court and beat Kobe, Shaq and Phil 4-1.
It was never going to work out because Iverson was the perfect example of 2000s trash basketball. Brown showed he was 100% right with the Pistons while AI went ringless as he was never worthy. AI was just the Harden of his day. Difference is 2010s and 2020s basketball is far superior to 2000s dumb dumb basketball. I mean there was a reason in the 2000s Team USA started getting spanked in international competitions by countries where basketball was a very minor sport or countries that had 1/80th the population of the US.
Oh, yeah, AI sucked butt in international basketball as well.
I still don't really see them winning a championship, but I put that more on Philly's FO at the time than anything else. If you look at those 2000s teams they built around AI...you can't tell me they were doing the best they could to maximize him lol
@@TheD1995B But they were. They surrounded AI with hardnosed defenders and roleplayers like Eric Snow, Aaron McKie, and Dikembe Mutombo, who could let AI be AI. They was a pipeline of young talent to replace the older guys in the form of Andre Iguodala, Kyle Korver, Samuel Dalembert (a disappointment in the end, but the kid had talent) and John Salmons. That team was the ONLY team AI could have success. Everyone thought that when he got traded to the Nuggets that he'd finally have success because there would finally be someone else to carry some of the offensive load in Carmelo, but it simply didn't work because AI only knew how to be AI and that meant he had to have the ball in his hands to be effective.
I'm proud of larry for moving on and later getting a championship .. it was like a blessing for him
Winning a championship, your way, right after quitting the Sixers, must’ve felt amazing. Big W.
Edit: spelling
must've
@@GoofRebelMusic What kind of rice is your favorite?
@@jonhohensee3258 Glen Rice
This is a Beef History I've been waiting for. Fantastic.
Damn this sad story honestly. AI was my favorite player growing up, and like most kids, we'd often laugh about the feuds between him and Larry Brown and of course "Practice!?". But once Larry Brown quit and won a championship the very next year with the Pistons, a team that adopted his main philosophy to the fullest...yeah it made AI look pretty bad in the end. As much as I love Iverson, Larry Brown isn't the first person to say something along the lines of "He's an amazing talent, but he doesn't go that extra step to be the greatest ever". Kobe has said it. Jordan has said it. I'm sure George Karl has said it multiple times since he has the same philosophy as Brown...and had a very similar kinda beef with Carmelo.
That bit at the end where they each say “God put me with him but I didn’t appreciate what I had” was a knife to my heart. Communication and conflict resolution is everything in life.
Iverson was really his own worst enemy. Never could handle conflict well and it cost him a lot through his career.
Plus he really didn't gel well with super white guy Larry Brown.
@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 How do you know race has anything to do with it. Take your garbage somewhere else.
@Channel Name don’t take the bait
would that have made them, super friends
The 2001 Lakers are one of the 3 best teams in the last 30 years. They absolutely steam rolled through the playoffs. Only lost 1 game that playoffs. It was Iverson and brown who gave it to them. Showed what could've been
and that 1 loss was after having 10 days off
They lost one game which Iverson had to play the game of his life just to win in OT, only to get smoked the next 4 games with ease.
@@DMalltheway that is simply false… you clearly didn’t see any of the finals games after game 1. A majority were close to the end of the 4th.
@@GabeCerebro I watched every one, was 14 years old. Lakers are better and they dominated, Philly did a great job defensively doing the best they can guarding the perimeter but Shaq was just too much.
@@DMalltheway Watching that series and seeing the Lakers win hurt my heart back then. I loved AI and wanted him to shut up the racist critics so badly but they couldn't deal with Shaq Diesel. Officiating was sketchy at times too...
Larry “He’s only happy when he’s unhappy” Brown. Two legends
We all love Iverson, but let’s be honest. There’s a reason he was never was able to win a ring. Both of these guys were stubborn lol
Not winning or winning a ring a lot of times is just, right place right time, especially in the NBA were there is so much talent but only one team can win every year. There are several legends, HOFers who never won a ring or like Dirk, who was able to will his team to a ring just that one time and barely against BIG3 Miami. When let's face it, someone like Dirk could, had the stars aligned differently won somewhere around 3-6 rings over his career.
That reason was Kobe/Shaq. The sixers beat any other team that year
@@kevinbrezinski2544 Idk about that. Duncan and Robinson would have definitely been a matchup problem
He was never gonna come close- basketball is a team sport.
I honestly don't think so Robinson by that point wasn't any better than Mutombo and the sixers had enough bigs to stick to Duncan plus the biggest problem those spurs faced was their backcourt Iverson and McKie would run through them like butter @@mattcomer6379
Iverson will always be one of my favorites. Yes he was extremely difficult, acted immature quite often, left some potential on the table but he is one of the few rare players who was truly real. He didn't hide his emotions, he didn't hide his faults, he was self-reflective, he was and is the rare athlete who is absolutely honest. As a fan it was frustrating with him at times because of his attitude but I've always appreciated he didn't pretend to be someone he wasn't, he fully admits his failures, and also doesn't engage in old guy "back in my day" talk. He's supportive of younger players and the league and you can tell by how much he admits his own failings he's hoping others learn from him.
He was truly real? I, ok.
Sounds like he staked his stubbornness and difficult personality into the hill and is still being tied to it, 20 years later. Others have had smooth careers which they can casually look back in fondly, with forward pointing sails, ready to take on more challenges, while AI has always had a morose personality during and after his years. He hit every rock in his path while playing, and now he's looking and stumbling while out. Dude just wasn't a very smart player of the game of life. One would question if he'd ever matured much at all to this very day.
Everyone of you secret base folks are a treasure to humanity. Thank you. And keep kicking butt.
Claire's the best.
Said it before, will say it again. AI was his own worst enemy. His “Not the game that I go out there and die for” quote says everything. He’s die for it, but wouldn’t live for it. Wouldn’t do the disciplined work that isn’t any fun when the rest of his team (and the league) are doing it. Glad he understood it later, shame he didn’t understand at the time.
he wouldnt be AI if he did what everyone else did. you can say he could have won more rings and such but well never know
@@shaneelhinds9084 Yea I think he still loses against the Lakers in the finals, the nets and pistons teams in the east still.
Again I think of his draft class. Kobe also got heat for shootiing too much and not passing, especially not passing to shaq when he was at the height of his power.
But kobe also put in more work to justify himself taking soo many shots. 2000 makes a day in the offseason, even after he won a ring his dedication to practice did not let up. Meanwhile Iversons camp would argue that his lack of practice was to save his body, after all he did play exceptionally hard every game of the regular season. However his career ended up circling the drain in 2010, the same year that kobe won another ring, his first without shaq. In hindsight, saving the body from practice did not seem to work that well when his game did not age well and Kobe ends up playing 6 years longer and only being 3 years yonger than AI
@@DumbIdeaPresentedStupidly Small correction, 2010 was Kobe's 2nd ring without Shaq and 2nd finals MVP, beating a Celtics team with 5 hall of famers (I think Rasheed Wallace deserves it).
In the fall of 1992, I was invited by a friend to attend the Virginia State Football Championship. My friend, a high school teacher, said: "you have got to see this QB." My friend was absolutely right. Hands down, the best high school QB I have ever seen. His name was Allen Iverson. Michael Vick couldn't hold a candle to him.
Secret Base is a great channel with so many excellent stories. Thanks for all the content!
I find it really interesting how Brown’s career, especially the latter half, was marked by a sprint of success, followed by him and the team growing tired of each other, and them all moving on in the end. Both he and José Mourinho in soccer are excellent coaches, but only have about 3 years until the era is over. Wild. [Edit: fixed spelling of Mourinho]
*José Mourinho* and he's even worse with the antics than Larry Brown was
“Don’t call me Naïve call me hopeful…. And pretty 💅”
These two men were more alike than they ever wanted to admit.
No they weren't. Brown was disciplined and professional. Iverson was not.
@@jonhohensee3258 both extremely stubborn. And you don't get to Iverson's level of play without some discipline.
@@NatureBoii99 Some discipline is not always enough. Continually showing up late for practice, alcohol on his breath, or not showing up at all.... That's a LACK of discipline. And there's nothing in this story that shows Larry Brown to be stubborn - at least not in a bad way. It's a coach's job to have high expectations of the players and not yield to the bad behavior of guys like Iverson.
This is the best one of a VERY long series! From the narration to the moments of pause, very well done!
I was waiting for this one to show up in this series. Really, I think all the other Beef History videos were "practice" for this one.
Another great video, thank you Clara and the Secret Base team for doing such a wonderful job on this story. I have never been a Sixers fan, but I could not help but watch and root for them when AI was on the court. Such a gifted but troubled player...but certainly one of the greats!
Brown needed a less confrontational way of getting AI to practice than just trashing him whenever he didnt show or put in the effort and AI needed to actually just put in the leg work outside of games with his team. If you truly want to win, you seek out all avenues, not stick to your guns when it is continuously failing. What AI did was, by definition, insanity.
You're assuming that Brown didn't already try less confrontational ways. Allen was the problem. He was supposed to be an adult, not a child. He got paid lots of money to show up for practice without someone trying to coax him to be there.
Welcome to the NBA where players have higher egos. It is not like in HS or college basketball where players can buy in together on what the coach been told to them. All I understand in nowadays NBA is that coaches are like selling their system to franchise and players on how they will play the game. But if the players does not buy or believe the coaches system, a team will implode in no time.
@@jonhohensee3258 I think both of you guys are right. I agree with the op more though because not everyone responds the same way to things.
Brown was old school and that didn't go well with someone like Iverson.
Larry Brown didn't love A.I .
You think Larry Brown was tough to deal with? I don’t see Jerry Sloan ever wanting to coach Iverson.
I wish the video was longer, just to hear what other friendship analogies Clara could come up with.
I love Beef History. I was 7 in 2001, so as a kid, we don't know the politics that go on in a workplace. I didn't know jack when Larry Brown was the head coach for Philly, only to quit, and then win a Finals with Detroit. None of that meant anything to me, but it's amazing to see how these videos help fill in the gaps.
As a Philly native and fan, this the epitome of Philadelphia sports
I'm glad they patched things up. Personality wise, they were a mirror image of each other.
I see so much Iverson in Kyrie Irving that it's almost scary. The guy is so good, but can be great if he just listened to someone, ANYONE. When he had the best player in the world with him in Cleveland, he still didn't wanna listen, and it's the same thing years later in Brooklyn. Maybe 10-15 years from now he too will regret the paths he took.
After Larry Brown, sadly Allen's career never saw the same success with another coach. Larry Brown was the best coach Allen ever had
Allen Iverson had some good runs with Melo in Denver
@@RamanShrikant yeah they were nice together but that was only for 2 years. I'm talking about Allen as a lead guy
Brown just expected the most out of his players and want them to play as a team. As great as AI was, he didn’t make his teammates better and wanted to win but be the reason his team won.
the end was so powerfull!!! powerful words from both sides
How the hell did Matt Geiger get a no trade clause?? 😂😂😂
It was actually a trade kicker, not a NTC. If he were to be traded, he'd get a 15% pay raise. Detroit needed him to waive it to fit him under the salary cap, he said no, deal fell through.
This whole thing is the reason Secret Base gets my subscription. Videos like these are some of the best things on UA-cam.
The Answer.. AI.. my favorite hooper in NBA history 💯 thank you Secret Base 🙏🙏
Great video... Just wish you had of added in the story behind his practice rant because for years I was guilty of media poisoning regarding it . Because it wasn't technically about practice but what he was going through at the time with several close people around him dying with one being his best friend.
i mean that "we talking about practice?" was basically AI's attitude towards all the other practices he missed intentionally, so didn't change my view on AI, don't make it sound like he loves doing it.
@@bikingchupei2447 nope
@@bikingchupei2447 they had just lost in the playoffs bruh yet the media continued to focus on he Larry Browns ongoing relationship issues and him missing practices.. AI is like this is what talking about now still? He also just lost one of his closest friends and something else I believe had occurred and instead of inquiring about him personally, he's like this it what you guys want to focus on? That's what that was about bro..
Even in 2022 the anti-AI agenda persists. Interesting video by Secret Base but you see it throughout this video. It's fine. AI wasn't for everybody.
Beef History Idea: James Dolan vs all Knicks fans
same for Dan Snyder and all of Washington D.C
Same for Dean Spanos & the city of San Diego
This was honestly one of the best Beef History's I've seen and I'm not an NBA fan, amazing job Clara!
Iverson is the coolest NBA player of all time.
Moreover, he has a brilliant name, fashion and play style.
The Sixers were really strong when Brown and Iverson were there.
The sixers were strong despite iverson being there, his supporting cast were always described as nobodies when they weren’t
@@lamchunting856 he had some great defenders on that team, but not a single dude that could create their own shot. They were a lottery team without AI and anybody watching knew it.
@@janoycresnova9156 lol, very few players in history could have led the 76rs to a Finals berth the year AI did. What he did at his size is unprecedented. Kobe, Shaq, and every other player in his generation respect him and his game, but Im sure dudes on UA-cam know better 😂
He wasn't cool. He was unprofessional.
The Iverson hype was so big in the early 2000's. That man influenced so much.
I love AI but he handled conflict poorly
He handled everything poorly though..
@@lamchunting856 Yet he made it to the Hall of Fame so he didn't play poorly.
@@lamchunting856 Nah, his ballhandling was, and still is, amazing.
@@donnelladams8362 They weren't talking about his play. They were talking about handling things. As far as his play goes though, it could've been much better if he played as part of a TEAM.
He handled the ball fine, but couldn't handle the rigorous demands of an NBA superstar career.
The “I’m Mugsey Bogues!” story lives in my head rent free…. I can picture it so vividly
Sounds pretty clear to me. Brown wanted discipline and teamwork, Iverson had too much of an ego to follow through consistently and ended up wasting a lot of his potential.
It's really sad a top player can't understand the importance of things as fundamental as practice and working with your teammates.
Kind of hard to say he wasted his potential. He's a hall of famer, 11 time all star, 4 time scoring champ. What more was he supposed to do?
@Jeff Norton idk, maybe be a bit of a team player more? Assists open up the offense game much more.
@@MrOctober44 idk… win… he only got past the second round once.
@@bigredog100 Who were the great shooters that he was surround with? Eric Snow, Mckie, Ratliff
@@MrOctober44how about in Denver when the nuggets went to the Conference Finals when they traded Iverson for Billups after losing in the first round in both seasons that Iverson was there?
I appreciate the early morning right before work upload. Makes my day.
❤Secret Base
Iverson is one of my favorite players of all time but almost none of this was browns fault. Iverson had no work ethic. It ruined his career and no one should justify his actions. It sucks man.
Yup, if he did what Kobe and Steph Curry are doing and working constantly on making their bodies stronger in order to make them less injury prone he would’ve had a longer career and wouldn’t have flamed out so fast.
@@DMalltheway same with Russell Westbrook. I mean how do you go from winning MVP and then your game goes downhill from there? I wish Westbrook worked more on his game
brown airing out all the frustrations and being weirdly petty about stuff like practice really did not help though. I understand that's his whole shtick, but it also makes sense why someone like Iverson chuffed against it like he did
@@redhorsepapi That’s very true, but at least Russ did last long enough to be relevant, he just needs to be in a role now which he’s just a passer and spot up mid range.
You guys finally done it, I’ve been waiting for so long. Gold pure gold.
Great video but cmon Larry calling out once for mental issues compared to Allen routinely missing and disrespecting practice to go out and party are drastically different things 🤣
I agree.
@@jonhohensee3258 you are a🤡
Even though they were at each other’s throats a lot of the time, I think they challenged one another to bring the best out of one another.
The practice clip is the most out of context clip in all of sport. The man’s friend died. He’s was upset. He literally breaks into tears like right after the part shown
AI was so unprofessional man. The tone here seens to blame Brown, but it's so clear that AI only has himself to blame.
AI was very unprofessional, but he needed a coach that could gain his respect and make him want it. Brown just wasn’t that coach. I think he needed someone like Pat Reilly that could really motivate him.
@@Akaya7777 - Iverson needed to be a professional and respect the coach, whoever he was.
@@jonhohensee3258 shut up 😂
@@Akaya7777 nah....
@@jonhohensee3258 and you need to stop being a moaning d-bag
Iverson truly is a sad story. His attitude and work ethic were so poor. He could've been one of the all time greats, instead his career petered out and now he's traveling the US signing autographs at card shows
It’s gonna get even sadder, he inspired future players to play like him join him in the “greatest no ring” debate
Is he one of the greats only I. Thomas is ahead of him for best little man ever
Dude gets 800k a year from Reebok FOR LIFE and then gets 32 million in a trust fund they set up for him when he turns 55 in 2030. His story ain't sad other than a what if he'd done this or that in basketball. He got out of being poor for the rest of his damn life. He's got money and can do what he wants. And he's still remembered as one of the greats and one of the few to ever cross up Michael Jordan. Stop saying his story was sad, give me a break.
@@lamchunting856 not everyone cares about a ring Jesus Christ
He wasnt a good shooter so his game wasnt going to translate well when his speed declined. If he had a better big he would have had more team success
The SS Friendship part got me... 🤣
Imagine how amazing AI could have been with Kobe's work ethic.
Man AI with Kobe like fundamentals would of been insane
That's why Kobe's a better player than AI even though AI I think was more talented.
@@BurberryBrian FR, he managed to take that Philly team to the finals on pure talent alone.
Imagine how amazing AI could have been with mentors like Joe Bryant and Phil Jackson.
Not saying that AI is blameless, but Kobe had the advantage of guidance from an early age that AI didn't.
@@redskullz1249 AI still had Larry Brown, who wasn't just a throwaway coach.
Some new Clara Content? WIN.
Next: Beef History Basketball: Shaq vs (Late) Kobe Bryant
I think the point of Beef History is to inform fans of beef that they don’t know all the details about. Kobe and Shaq is literally the number 1 beef of NBA history and even casuals know exactly what happened between 02 and 04
@@angelusgnz5784 That doesn’t mean it can’t be an incredibly informative video, especially for the details that people may have missed or the people that weren’t around to follow it.
@@bentonlott6272 i hope....
@@The-ts9yv It could be...Jeff Pearlman's book on the Shaq/Kobe lakers REALLY goes into that beef (great read by the way), and I'm sure that book would be referenced if SB Nation did that video. But, a shaq/kobe beef history is probably like an hour long video....They would have to do something similar to the Cleveland series they did a couple years ago.
This was the one I've been waiting on! Also, those black Sixers uni's are still in my top 5! #WereTalkinBoutPractice
Allen Iverson is not most known for the “Practice” thing. He was easily the most iconic player in the league in between MJ and Lebron. Whoever wrote that clearly wasn’t around during that era if they think that
Huge respect for you to say, “hank hill voice” in 2022! I get this is a late 90’s kind of a recap sesh, but some of these kinds are going to wonder who tf hank hill is! And that makes my day.
Dammit, Bobby!
It's actually funny, because AI averaged 7.5 assists (2nd highest assist average in his whole career) his rookie year. AI was actually a good playmaker, but with Brown he became a worse playmaker.
It is literally the highlight of my week whenever I see a new SB episode!
I grab some grub, cup of coffee... It's an event! 💯
A case of the wrong coach with the wrong star player. Both extremely talented and successful.
Every single time she said the word "practice" I'm thinking "we're talking bout practice?"
Always loved AI. Much respect to Larry Brown too. I remember when all this was going down. 2001 championship was the last time I watched the Sixers.
i lovvvvvve the narrator. her wit and delivery were amazing.
I love all these friendship metaphors
"I'm Mugsey bogues, I'm Mugsey Bouges"
Hanannanananahahhaa
Love the content!! How about maybe doing a “Collapse” series on the 2019 Washington Nationals? ESPECIALLY with the now possibility of Soto getting traded: that team has been GUTTED in just 3 years.
I agree,I was just talking to my girl about this…Harper,Rendon,Stras(injuries of course) and now possibly Soto? A dark 3,4 years after that WS Ring😭😭😭
@@aj3upgrade Don’t forget the Scherzer/Turner trade that gave up 2 of their all stars in one move. Also the retirements of key players like Zimmerman and Howie Kendrick.
It’s way too early for that.
This feature must make San Antonio Spurs fans appreciate even more the Tim Duncan-Gregg Popovich legendary rapport, which skeptics unfortunately described as "boring."
While fans and bandwagons were intently following simmering feuds and brouhahas around the league, TD and Pop harmoniously leading the Spurs to contend for 19 seasons.
Larry Brown shouldn't blamed himself too much, except he should have kept the rift off the public/media scrutiny. He should be impressed he was able to stay with the team for six years (oh, the money).
Coach Brown might experienced a "culture shock" (the good way) upon moving to Detroit, winning the Title that year and almost back-to-back the next. His ability to fix teams using "playing the right way" formula meshed well with players hungry to prove themselves (i.e., Chauncey Billups, Ben Wallace). Contrary to AI, Coach Brown could had an easy-breezy and delightful time teaching and guiding Billups who turned into an All-Star.
But vagabond as ever, Brown didn't settle and moved to NY, then dealt another problem point guard in Stephon Marbury. Guess having Marbury eventually made him miss AI then regret this and that.
If Ivo had a Kobe mentality, he could’ve won several rings. Everybody likes to laugh about the “practice” presser, but in context, the team’s gripes were justified. It takes more than just winning games to win championships.
So true. I'm a Sixers fan, and watched so much of this transpire from up close. AI is truly amazing in the sense that he didn't work particularly hard - barely touched any weights, almost did no workouts in the offseason and his practice exploits are well documented. All that said, he still got 30 a night in the NBA, which is insane. But, if he'd had that Kobe mentality, which you talk about, he could've been even greater. His downfall was his own, sadly.
And if he had Shaq
@@etrim4213 for real these delusional kobe fans forget SHAQ was the overwhelming finals mvp all 3 years
We need more Larry Browns in coaching especially because he placed emphasis on team basketball,unselfish play, and defense.
Collapse: iverson and brown’s sixers
Rewinder: the miracle of Istanbul
Rewinder: 2010 World Cup final
Collapse: how the Buffalo bills failure to win at least one of their 4 straight Super Bowls led to two decades of failure
Rewinder: 1999 champions league final
Collapse: how Arsenal went from the kings of England to middle of the pack
Untitled: Ted Williams
Untitled: Alan page
Untitled: Don Nelson as a coach
Beef history: George Steinbrenner vs Billy Martin
Beef history: Mike ditka vs buddy ryan
Collapse: how the 2015 world champion royals were brought down by tragedy and injuries
Collapse; how injuries, age and tragedy brought down the Larry bird Celtics
That of Celtics is brutal.
Other suggestions (mostly NFL-related)
Collapse: Legion of Boom or Atlanta Falcons after 28-3
Rewinder: Cam Newton's "business decision" not to dive on the ball, Philly Special in SB 52, or "The Wasp" in SB 54.
I think it’s really awesome the growth they showed near the end of the video. That beef was always noticeable back then. Makes you wonder if they had found true common ground, what they could’ve accomplished together🧐
Alternative title: A respected old man having to deal with a crybaby in his aging old days.
y'all just keep the bangers coming we aren't worthy
Secret Base
Beef History: Kyrie Irving vs The Boston Celtics
Larry brown won the beef since he manage to win a title while Allen Iverson never did
AI and Larry Brown were meant for each other. Dope video 🏀🏀🏀
Man they weren’t. Brown was precisely the wrong coach for AI, no idea why they did it, no idea why they stuck with it.
Quite the opposite tbh
@@weeblackskelf who was the best coached that AI played?
@@MannyMensah94coach Thompson
It was too late, but i'm still glad that AI admitted his mistake of not heeding Larry Brown's word. Also glad he's seemingly turning his life around in recent years.
Anyway, can you guys please do an Alain Prost vs. Ayrton Senna Beef History ep? That would be nice.
Larry Brown: "Hey can you do the work we pay you to do?"
Allen Iverson: "wE tAlGIn bOuTta PrAcTiCe!!!11!"
Funny how the passage of time and maturity always reveals the truth of the lesson you were supposed to learn.
From now on I’m going to shout “I’m Muggsy Bogues!” whenever I throw anything to anyone.
*Guys, they’re gonna talk about how the sixers ruined my childhood again*
Iverson’s playstyle had a really short shelf life, his height and poor shooting in particular did him no favours.
He would’ve been a modern westbrick
lots of people made the westbrook-iverson mental comparison when westbrook was on his triple double avg. first time i seen that comparison used negatively, and how it makes too much sense.
As far as charismatic yes but the league changed to his playstyle so he would be in the Mitchell booker Beal realm
@@jbtreshawn You just named three guys who shoot league average or higher on a fairly high volume of shots. AI averaged 31% percent for his career on just over one attempt per game and many seasons he was shooting well below 30% from three. I think young D Rose and prime Wetbrook are a much better comparison.
@@jtizzle124 but you’re not accounting for spacing and the lack of true bigs. So I think his shot percentage would go up to about 43% which isn’t great but he’d just be a volume shooter Sg unless they move him back to pg
@@jbtreshawn tf u on Mitchell Booker realm man every mothfucka in these comments is just haters and doesn’t appreciate Iverson s greatness Larry browns a grown ass man who ruined his career and he’s not even a good coach
You have answered my request and I can now live in peace. Thank you
Beef History: Dave Winfield and George Steinbrenner. Plenty of material there.
Clara calling them the “Ol’ Black & Gold” made me remember how made I was when the Sixers changed uniforms
You were made?
Iverson was absolutely one of the top 50 players of all time. I think if he had more maturity coming into the NBA and better work ethic, he could have been in the top 10.
He put so much energy into the game he didn't have any left for the process.
And that's why Curry will be in the top 10 and Iverson won't. You could even make a valid case prime Iverson was better than Curry. But ultimately, Curry had a better work ethic, humble attitude, and team-focused mentality which ultimately contributed to his 4 rings.
@@doktorhypebeast that and........ being paired with better teammates/coaches than iverson could ever hope to have in his prime.
@@doktorhypebeast You may be right. However, I dont like using rings as a metric. So many top players didnt win a ring. Stockton, Malone, Barkley, etc. Then there are so many players who have won multiple rings, but arent a top 100 player. Take Robert Horry. He had 7 rings, 6 All Star appearances, but no one would put him in a top 100.
@@finkelmana Yeah I wouldn't use rings as a metric. But I think what separates the top 10 from the rest of them (say top 100) is the intangibles. Kobe was just as selfish if not more selfish than Iverson, always consistently posted sub-40% FG every season and playoffs, just like Iverson. Yet, Kobe understood the importance of practice, HELL of a work ethic, and never disrespected the coach (although disrespected other teammates in a convoluted way to push them). And look where Kobe is in the ranking discussions. Intangibles is what separates elite from greatness.
Clara is really good at this. Her delivery style is different than any other out there. Props
She's terrible
Can this be Larry Brown Beef week? Can we just get a different Larry Brown Beef covered every day for the rest of the week?
It's a sad story, not like other beef videos that entertaining, this is just sad, but at least they both end it in peace