Young Scottie Pippen's beef with the Bulls grew from a fragile ego and a calculating GM | Part I
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2022
- When you think of the 90s Bulls you think of Michael Jordan and winning and, oh yeah, definitely Scottie Pippen too. It's not easy being the second best guy on the best team. (Though I'm sure it's better than being the second best guy on a terrible team.)
And everything is made harder when your injuries aren't taken seriously, your contract negotiations are put off, and your GM likes Toni Kukoc more than you.
What could Scottie Pippen do but... demand trades and bench himself during the playoffs.
Move over championship trophies, you're blocking our view of Beef.
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The fact that Toni Kukoc ends up hitting that game winner in the one where Scottie sat in last seconds is ruthlessly poetic
Kukoc isn’t anywhere close to Scottie … stop he wasn’t clutch … he hit a shot that’s it …
He wasn’t close to him so Pippen was justifiably mad at management. But he was a good shot and it was the right call by the coach
@@ShawnThomas78 Toni was indeed clutch, don’t know what you are talking about. He just wasn’t on Scottie’s level in general.
@@konfan13 his comment reads to me like a reenactment of a commentator’s curse
I wish this video, even if it wasn't about Kukoc, would have shown the shot because it was incredible. Another thing to note, it wasn't even the first time -that- season Kukoc would hit a game-winning shot with minimal time left on the clock. I'm sure the infamous Bulls/Pacers game back in January was on Phil Jackson's mind when drawing up the play.
Every time I watch videos about the 90’s Bulls, I’m amazed they even won one championship with all the hostility in both the locker room and front office. I know they had MJ and a perfect supporting cast (twice), but normally ego downs teams like this early on.
It just goes to show that as long as you can put your differences aside when it really matters, winning cures all. Also having the best player and the best coach helps as well
Were the times when superstar players still listened what their coaches had to say, no matter how much ego.
@@MazeDaGr8 Also see: 2000s Lakers
Just goes to show that not all championship teams are built around loving each other. Sometimes anger, hate, and jealousy can fuel a team to a championship. It’s just more amazing that Chicago did it six times in the 90’s and had more off the court drama than the New York Knicks.
Yeah, they had to hope Dennis Rodman came to game xD
If Scottie Pippen vs Bulls is Beef History XL, will Kobe vs Shaq be Beef History XXL ?
Their beef was mostly created by media with stories out of nothing.
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It's the Kobe Wagyu type beef.
meh, feel like the bulls and everyone associated w them have been done to death, the second most done to death thing is koby and anything Lakers. the market has been flooded the past ~2yrs w/ all sorts of docs on them. you watched em all, hungry for more? superfan alert
It's gonna be a Jon Bois 2 hour documentary masterpiece. I hope
Scottie made 20.2 million in his career with the bulls before leaving after 8 seasons. He made 66.3 million with the trail blazers in 4 seasons. (Contract data starts in 1990 probably ~2-3 more million and 3 more seasons for the bulls to start)
That is crazy....a small part of that is on him though as he NEVER should have signed that extension...Now, Krause should have ripped it up and given him another one, but people around Scottie told him it was a bad contract and he still signed it....I get WHY he did, but he should've bet on himself.
@@elliemyers6435 Actually, it was Bulls owner Jerry Reinsdorf who told Scottie that he should just wait for a better deal because even he was saying that it wasn't a good contract. Once he signed it it could no longer be renegotiated. Scottie was desperate for financial security having grown up dirt poor in Hamburg, AR and wanted to help provide for his family. He signed the contract thinking that he might not have another opportunity to do so. It was understandable why he chose to do it, but at the same time he has no one to blame for that but himself.
@@jizzhunt I was actually trying to remember if Reinsdorf told him not to sign it or not, so thank you for that refresher. I knew Scottie grew up with next to nothing in Arkansas and wanted to provide for his family, but yeah, he really is the person most to blame for this. Had he just waited, he really could have gotten paid, but, alas. I do remember people saying in "The Last Dance" how the bulls did not renegotiate contracts with ANYONE, no matter how big a star they were. Maybe Scottie thought that they would make an exception for him, given how vital he was to their success, but, nope, the Bulls held to their principles.
@@elliemyers6435 yep. Not even freaking JORDAN got that kind of pull. It's kind of crazy to remember that jordan made less money in the league than scottie despite all of his fame
people in portland had a nickname for pippen. "No tipping pippen" cuz he'd never leave tips for the valet workers
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Currently going through my second torn disc. Excruciating is an understatement, I can't even imagine how much worse it was for someone 7-8" taller than me
I think that’s what’s wrong with my back but I don’t want surgery. I guess I have to make an decision soon.
@@Letsgo-ch8yr go get it checked man, backs are no joke
@@Henry-kv7zl yea working at Chrysler jacked my back up plus and old basketball injury.
I don't even know how Pippen managed to help the Bulls in 98, considering he should've practically been always seated.
Get well soon! Back pain is terrible.
This just shows the classic Bulls management. From the 90's all the way to 2018 the Bulls management has been filled with mismanagement, egos, and disrespect for their stars.
Bulls front office is still notoriously cheap. Nothing has changed in almost 3 decades.
@Chuck Balkin this new regime seems to be better but time will tell.
@@RunforestrunI still think about Krause wanting to trade pippen for kemp
Well this is because of the owner. He owns the white Sox too. Cheap ass clown. I'm a white Sox fan. I can't stand the owner.
Pippen was no saint but c'mon, swallow your pride and renegotiate his contract. You're in the midst of one of the greatest dynastic runs in NBA history, and he's your second best player. Pay the guy.
Pippen lives close to me and I’ve met him in at a local market. He’s hard to miss because you don’t realize how tall he is until you see him in person. Also a very nice guy.
RIP to his son, what a tragedy that a good man like him didn't deserve
I heard he sat on the floor and refused to get up because you picked the ripest fruit out of the produce section without deferring to him.
That's pretty cool, glad you've had good experiences with him. That doesn't always happen when you meet an athlete or celebrity.
@@danepotmo2513 😂 you savage
Soo how's his extortion ex-wife doing?
"Look at Scottie Pippen. Doesn't he look happy" Already had me rolling laughing in 3 seconds. Scottie might be the saltiest winner of all time lol.
He just doesn't get enough of his credit, simple.
When have you ever seen him happy? He’s just an unhappy person.
@@dusk6159 Selected to the 1992 and 1996 Olympics, 7 all star selections, 3 1st team All-NBA, 1st team All-Defensive 8 times and a hall of famer. Thats quite a lot of recognition.
@@dusk6159 hahaha he's beyond overrated... His best year was 22p 6r haha. Yall clown paul pierce but he was better every year he was on the celtics.... Pippen got a headache and missed the game after reading the comments haha pip was a punching bag always getting punked
@@stackhat8624 too much... He was average
Good people often get screwed over by sociopaths and psychopaths. Scottie caring for his brother and father tells you all you need to know about his character, what a guy.
Not really the full story Scottie was also a drunk during this period and abused has been accused of abuse by all of his wives. Scottie in general was and is a complicated guy and framing him as a Saint is just untrue. Unfair to everyone involved to make this into a "Good people vs Sociopaths" story
@@FREE-lw4lb very true, it's extremely rare that things are that simple, if they ever are at all. I loved watching Scottie play basketball but the man could hold a grudge. Didn't know about the abusive stuff, that adds another very unsavoury element to the story (probably happens a lot more than people think). Krause and Reinsdorf were slimebags but it goes both ways for sure
Caring for family is easy. It's how you treat the rest of the world that defines your character.
@@clarkkent1521 You'd be surprised. Plenty of abusive families out there. Think of the phrase "charity begins at home".
Amazing how they managed to win 6 rings with so much in-fight going on.
I feel for Scottie Pippen who has been through a lot of hardship in his life, some self inflicting, but he has to be one of the most tortured soul I have ever came across.
Deservedly so. Especially with the personal stuff going on in his life these last few years. I feel bad for him when watching this video.
His family put all their burdens on him. Young men should never carry the whole family on their backs. He wouldn't have signed that. If the pressure wasn't their
His wife cough cough
ua-cam.com/video/j-gheAI5RwQ/v-deo.html This is a commercial from 1991. Scottie had several throughout the 90s.
He was on the Dream Team, made 7 All-Star Appearances, Fifty Greatest player of all time, etc. If not making hundreds of millions of dollars is "torture" than Barkley is right - Athletes shouldn't be role models. What about the janitor making 10 dollars an hour, NEVER giving up on the team he works for? Let's all put this into perspective please.
@@christopherdell9601 For all those accolades he has achieve and money he has made there is always some type of doubt or negative
I feel Scottie just wanted to feel being appreciated and the feeling of importance, people underrate him and overlook him so much
Agreed. It was probably more about respect than money.
@@kermitfrog593you are paid what your considered to be "worth".
and clearly the Bulls didn't think he was worth that much compared to others who clearly weren't better players.
He was overrated.
Being from Arkansas, Pippen was like our hero. Him and Derek Fisher made it and gave us hope. It’s a shame what he had to go through
Grew up in Chicago in the 90s after being born in 85. Always thought Pip was underrated and never got the respect he deserved, from the organization, the fans, and the media. Loved that guy😢!
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Now he's overrated AF. MJ haters act like Scottie was a top 10 all time player. Dude could barely average 20 a game.
@@chadzard4 I respectfully disagree that he's overrated. I don't think he's top 10 all-time but he's easily top 20-25 IMO.
Every night, he was tasked with guarding and shutting down the opposing team's best offensive threat and could legit guard all positions 1-4 and occasionally the 5. If we played Utah, he could guard Stockton or Malone, how many other players in that era could do that? I can't think of one from back then, but of course in the modern era with all the switching, a great defensive player like Kawhi Leonard could do that, but I can't think of anyone else from the 80s and 90s.
He was a good offensive player but allowed MJ to get the glory and points/highlights while he did all the dirty work. On the rare night MJ was off (20 pts was an off night for him lol) Pip could easily get 30. His greatest value was his defensive versatility, and I don't know if the Bulls would've won even half of those championships without him, even if they had Kukoc, Rodman, Grant, Armstrong, or whoever else they put around Jordan. PPG doesn't even begin to measure his impact on the games he played for the Bulls.
@@ec5657 More like top 30-40 all-time.
Jordan guarded the opposing team best player more than Pippen did. Jordan, A.Mason, Rodman, M.Cooper, Cornbread etc could guard 1-4 or 5.
Pippen simply wasn't a great half court scorer he was best in transition. Without Jordan maybe a couple of 25ppg seasons with his defense taking a hit.
If the Bulls drafted Miller instead of Pippen they realistically could've won 6 or more chips
Opposite for me and I watched every game too! Go look up PER all time… He is really not all that… I loved his defense especially in the first 3 peat but dude had major flaws…
As someone who has never really watched basketball, I enjoy these types of videos(Beef History, Rewinder) about the NBA. The amount of research and detail is fascinating to see. Great work.
Calvin looks pissed off! 😂😂😂😂
Check out the ESPN series "Bulldozed", its in a similar vein. Tells the backstory of all the teams that came closest to beating MJ for a championship.
It's sad because I believe Pippen had buried the hatchet and was at peace with everything but seeing The Last Dance just reopened all those old wounds.
The Documentary had him look bad. And the NBA fans are disrespectful towards him
@@MarcusTheJR How did TLD make Pippen look bad? How are fans disrespectful to Pippen? Pippen gets his due imo
@@jr6178 we can recap.
Mutiple media pudots. Have said Scottie is better than Kyrie as a duo. SKIP
Isiah thomas said scottie wasn't the best sf of the 90s.
Scottie has been called jealous of Jordan, when he just wanted to show the world, like kyrie and kobe.
I can go on
@marcusjr6422 the documentary did not make pippen look bad .. everyone in Chicago already knew that pippen had a bruised ego lol .. what was said was nothing new .. the world know he quit on the team, during the playoffs, so why wouldnt that be included? .. if anyone got made to look bad, that was Horace, for leaking lockeroom info to the media ..
@@MarcusTheJR Scottie better than Kyrie as a duo? Thomas and Pippen don't like each other. Of course Pippen was a little jealous of Jordan. Where's the disrespect and what does this have to do with TLD?
Pippen vs Bulls is more like Pippen and Phil vs Krause. The latter as GM didn't give a rats behind about giving back for the value that Pippen provided to the Bulls while also antagonizing the head coach for keeping the team together despite the friction between Pippen and the front office, along with the misfits in the cast (mainly Rodman). Still cannot forget his own threat to Phil saying "I don't care if you go 82-0, you are F'ing done."
Pippen signed a 7 year contract, team had no obligation to renegotiate
And look at them after Phil Jackson, Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan Left...
Except for the Derrick Rose's era, they haven't achieved anything to show...
krause and reinsdorf we're sabotaging b**ches for not paying the money the team had to keep the team together the right way.
Glad Jordan and Pippen did it for the fans 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 because they damn sure didn't do it for the cheap ass front office.
@@philthornton1382 that contract is already a foul plan to begin with. tf you talking about
@@juanjoseperez2702 the devil always collects on that contract.
Scottie pippin is the reason why whenever I hear an MLB player signed a 10 plus year deal I think that the player is going to hate that.
The MLB is different because you can get sent down to the minors, but if you have a large and long term deal it doesn’t matter if you suck and get sent down to the minors because you’re still getting paid that contract.
I think the more equivalent contract would be Patrick Mahomes’ 10 year deal
wrong comparison.
Not when the player underperform.
Not really. A MLB players prime is often short lived (unless they're using PED's). How many players have a great season, cash out, and then have their numbers drastically fall right after? Very rarely will the team be glad they're still paying a 35-year-old 40 million a year because of production when they were 25. That's less likely to happen in basketball even though you do have rare cases like Westbrook, John Wall, and Ben Simmons. Even then, they sign 5-6 year deals at the most, mitigating the damage.
@@Christian-eq6pq I believe this is gonna happen with Aaron Judge, he'll still have a few more good years but there's no way he's gonna keep repeating that 62 home run production that got him the 9 year $360 million contract.
Y’all don’t know how happy I was when I saw “part 1” in the intro
Y'all dont know how bummed I was when I saw it ended at part 2.
you left out a crucial detail why Phil drew a play for Toni. Prior to that play, Scottie missed 2 field goals that would've given the Bulls a slight lead. So, to trick the Knicks into thinking they would stick with Pippen (though we know he's never known to be clutch), Phil drew the play for Toni which was the right play at the time, Toni scored.
Yea, but he wouldn't have done that for Mike. That was the point. Scottie wanted to be the man. Mike said Scottie was wrong to sit but I bet Jackson would have put the ball in MJ's hands. Maybe Scottie shouldn't have had so much pride but tell that to Mike.
@@thesupremekai1980s So you don't know the plays they had for Paxon and Kerr to take the last shot.
@@gregorylagrange Wtf are you talking about. Paxson was free because Pippen beat his man... Maybe you don't know the game? Kerr knew Mike might pass to him. It was Mike who said to Kerr, be ready. See the difference?
@@TheSakuragihanimichi Play design you imbacile
@@gregorylagrange Jordan drew those up not Phil
Pippen was a devastating defender and loved watching him play especially during the first 3-peat.
That tony kukoc play will forever be poetic
I have only recently realized how influential pippen truly is to the bulls. Scotties migraines probably made the bulls lose to the pistons. His low salary allowed the bulls to bring in Toni kukoc, and well we all know what Toni kukoc did for the bulls. He also came in clutch against the Suns and Jazz. His consistency, versatility, leadership. The bulls would probably have at least 3 less championships without pippen.
@@Enthusiast230 That's because he was just so fundamental for the whole frame of the team, on both sides of the floor.
Especially when Rodman wasn't there to take some burden off of him
@@Enthusiast230 You can make the argument Pippen was the best all-around player before LeBron made it to the league, he could do a bit of everything and in today's NBA his skill set is even more valuable.
@@CrazyxEnigma Imo Stockton was more well rounded than pippen.
@@Enthusiast230 I don't think I've ever heard that opinion before why do you think so?
Pippen deserved more credit than the media and fans give him. As Jordan said, there is no Jordan without Pippen, as there is no Pippen without Jordan. No six championships without either of those guys. There are truly the best duo.
He got more than enough
@@RoDiggity3743 Jordan said not me. He didn't even make big runs in the playoffs without Pippen. And in the first championship the series changed when Pippen was defending Magic. Giving credit to other doesn't diminish Jordan's success.
Jordan never said Pippen didn't get enough credit. Because JORDAN HIMSELF GAVE HIM A TON OF CREDIT... But let's talk how good Pippen really was. Cuz defensively while he was a good weapon he stayed getting lit up by his counter parts.. great ball harasser one on one defender overrated. Nique Mullin Ellis LJ Aguirre Reggie Lewis guys of that ilk used to give him 30 to 40 on the reg. Jamal Mashburn gave him 52 in his 2nd seasons..the highlight tape is on UA-cam. Offensively on the perimeter Pip was inconsistent. Even that famous Knicks game they won't tell you Pip got a clear out on Two Plays bricked the shot. Ewing got the ball 3 straight plays and scored on doubles. 6 point Bulls lead turned into a tied game. But Pippen had the AUDACITY to throw a hissy fit because Phil ran the play for Kukoc? The Ewing Dunk game Pip had 13 points. ALL HE DID really in that game was that dunk. Game 7 he wasn't good at all. Yet that's the series where Pippen got credit for being able to lead a team to a chip? Hardly the case.. This video was a Pippen fluff piece pure and simple
he also faked a migraine coz he choked in gm 7 vs the pistons
Pippen got enough or too much credit. Everywhere he went besides Portland he complained. This video is laughable & leaves out a lot🤣
These documentaries are so clean, clever, and fun. Secret Base, Ms. Morris, and all the crew deserve praise upon praise. The sports world has so many cool story opportunities and you've captured some excellent ones. There's more to delve into and i'm here for it. Best of luck and thanks for all the fish.
2 weeks? I can’t wait that long for part 2 🥵
my dad worked with big wig financial managers, he used to tell me they would all laugh at how stupid scottie pippen was with his money, dude was the epitome of a 2022 bro putting everything in crypto and losing 80%, he went through like 7 money managers in 9 years or some, dude was so short sighted on everything.
Everyone mentions that Pippen was garbage in game 7 of the 1990 ECF, but the truth was every player not named Jordan played badly or was completely irrelevant. Seriously, find a box score from that game and look at everyones stats. The Bulls' loss doesn't fall on any one player. You could even find fault in some of Jordan's play even though he definitely stepped up.
Thanks for covering this. This is by far the most legendary beef of all time. Because of what they were still able to accomplish.
Clara Morris. This was a great story that you decided to share. I'm really looking forward to Part 2 of this beef. Thank you so much.
Secret Base, I'd love a rewind on Jayson Tatum's buzzer beater in the 2022 Playoffs, taking a look at how the first-round pick that turned into Jayson Tatum came to be, with the KG/Paul Pierce trade and all that transpired since.
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This is basically Scottie's Last Dance.
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I wish it was. I could have easily watched an 8 hour doc on this. I'm sure there was more material and I could watch Clara talk about anything.
There should be one with both Scottie Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson vs Management they were cast aside for a very long time it's really amazing how they even won 6 titles in the 90s
Awesome Beef History video by Secret Base, covering Part 1 of Scottie Pippen vs. the Chicago Bulls! I can’t wait for Part 2! 👍😉🧡🏀
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They didnt have faith in him, they promoted everyone else but him, and as stated, he had no safety net, no one in his corner. Thats not dramatic, its fighting all of your insecurities and everyone else, when you have no leverage, and no reason to believe in yourself, but you have to do it.
You know you're in for a good time when it's Clara Morris and basketball
Exactly
3:45 - Starts video stating Pipen isn’t a child but then gives so many examples of Pippen acting childish the rest of the video 🤦♂️
Calls fans racist. Calls coach racist. Doesn’t like the contract he willingly signed and pushed for then blame’s management for it.
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People don't realize how close the 1994 Bulls were from winning it all. One bad call goes their way, they may have won gone all the way.
And if Cleveland wasn’t horribly injured they might’ve lost in the first round
I don't think they beat the Rockets in the Finals, Olajuwon had to deal with Ewing and still dominated and the Bulls had who Bill Cartwright? Luc Longley? Will Purdue? Lol bbq chicken for Olajuwon.
You can't say they were so close to winning it all when they didn't even make the Eastern conference finals. Seriously get a grip.
Whoever started that "one bad call away from winning everything" narrative is on some serious crack. Overly exaggerated 😂
Bulls won 55 games and Toni actually hit 5 game winners as Nba rookie (was 25) so he certainly did affect their win column.
Can’t wait for part 2 of this beef history. I can’t imagine you could fit Kobe and Shaq’s beef in one video as well. Even as a Lakers fan, it’ll be interesting to see those videos.
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Ugh. The worse time to be cheap is when the team is young and has a chance to win a championship. Like most divorces, most teams breakup due to money issues.
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Problem is Bulls were winning so much it got boring for them. Cue the fights over money.
I always adore listening to Clara take apart these athletes' stories with her combination of compassion and frank skewering of egos. I am not a basketball fan but the work y'all at SB have put in has entertained me and educated me in equal measure. Thanks!
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Not the biggest fan of Pip but I can't help but feel bad for him. He was one of the best players in the world and got paid like a role player. At the same time he doesn't have anyone else to blame but himself. I don't think he ever got over that and has regretted it ever since.
Now THAT'S how a Beef History should be narrated!
Oh, I've been waiting for this. This is going to be one Hell of a ride.
That was such a good take and presentation! I loved it! Thank you for this.❤🎉
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Scottie and his bitterness is mostly about the media in the last decade. All the GOAT talk/debate with Lebron and Jordan caused the Jordan devotees to demean and discredit Scottie and how great a player he actually was. I lived through the era as my Knicks painfully got beat over and over again.. Ewing would have killed to have Scottie as his running mate.. At the time Scottie got his due credit as a huge part of the Bulls Amazing Success. Only time diluted his impact.
facts only time. He was considered the 2nd best player in the L for quite a few years. he was highly spoke of and respected.
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Scottie was the perfect player for Michael Jordan to win championships with. I once heard Max Kellerman say that “all Michael Jordan needed was a single all-star to basically be unbeatable”
That’s bullshit. It was that very specific all star and his skill set that enabled him to do what he did and win six championships. Classic sports media propping up Michael Jordan and dismissing Scottie Pippen without any context provided.
@@dbreiden83080 Maybe because Jordan led the underdog Bulls to the ECF in 89 and took the Champs to six games with a 2nd yr Pippen and Grant. Imagine Jordan on those Cavs teams instead of Price and Harper. What if Jordan had Worthy or Cummings or Mullin etc in 88 or 89 instead of Pippen?
As the Knicks teams were constructed Jordan most likely win the chip in 89, 92, 97, 98 and 99 if he dosent retire. 90, 91, 93 and 96 are 50/50.
Ewing had Strickland, Kiki, X-Man, D.Harper, Mason, M.Jackson, LJ, Houston etc. Pippen had some horrible scoring and shooting series against the Knicks.
Most Jordan fans combat the revisionist history that some fans spread about Pippen, like the post above claiming Pippen was the 2nd best player in the league.
@@lordoffaiyum9727 What yrs was Pippen ever a top 5 player in the league let alone the 2nd best player in the league?
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The 93 and 94 Knicks Ewing's 2nd best player was Starks.. A 6-3 SG who went undrafted and made the Knicks VIA a tryout.. Jordan played with multiple HOF players in their prime.. Ewing never did. No Knick he ever played with is in the HOF on those teams from 92-97.. Zero.. Even AS level players like Sprewell and Houston at the end of his prime are NOT in the HOF..
Clara you rule! Keep putting these out!
Recently finished reading pippen's book "unguarded" and it was awesome, however I still enjoyed the video aswell and can't wait for part 2.
Mannnnn they used Scottie up! Nothing more, nothing less! They knew his home situation with his family! I feel that us where his animosity is feuled! Bulls management would NEVER do that to MJ!!
MJ was also underpaid but he never complained because he made up that money through endorsements etc
MJ only got the $30 million contracts after he came back from baseball.
In a twist of irony, Kukoc kind of saved Pippen's career in Chicago. If Kukoc doesn't hit that shot against the Knicks, the Bulls would have easily been swept in four and the vitriol towards Pippen would have been even greater to a point that a trade gets made in the off-season.
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Chicago did trade Pippen in the off season for Shawn Kemp
The line that really rubbed the wrong way from that time period was Jerry Krause saying, " Phil Jackson could literally win all 86 games this season. This will be his last one coaching the bulls." Like what ever happened to, "If it ain't broke.."
I know a lot of people say the Bulls would’ve won in the 1999 season but I don’t think they would’ve stopped the Spurs. In 1998 the Pacers took the Bulls to 7 games. In the finals every game except game 3 was decided by 5 points or less. Fast forward in 1999 the Spurs went 15-1 in the playoffs. That had not been done since the Bulls did it in 1991. And there was no way Longley was stopping Robinson and no way Rodman could trash talk his way into stopping Duncan.
I have to agree
I tend to agree but I think it was more to just how worn down they would have been. It was evident they barley got through it in 98. I think the mental and physical exhaustion would have caught up to them. I do think if the 99 spurs went against the 96 or 97 bulls though, the bulls would have won. I don't think it was as much about the match up as just how exhausted the bulls would have been by 99.
@@jbellflower83 the Bulls were exhausted and Jordan knew it. That’s why he contemplated til February about retiring. Once he saw Jackson made up his mind and wasn’t going to comeback even though Reinsdorf had already moved Floyd to the front office to give Jackson his spot back. And after he saw Pippen wanted out no matter what. And Rodman was too busy being a celebrity. He knew he wasn’t going to be able to carry the load by himself. He really should’ve let Krause trade Pippen for McGrady and Toronto’s first pick which would’ve been Vince Carter. The Bulls would’ve been set for the next 8 years.
Unfortunately, the game is not played in head-canon. Fans make predictions all the time and they're suddenly quiet when their predictions turn out wrong.
Been waiting on new one of these!
Love Clara's writing and sense of humour. Great video.
She's 1B to Jon Bois 1A
I love beef history. Maybe a boxing beef history?
Most boxing "beef" are just to sell fights tho
Key word is most. There are some great videos and documentaries that say otherwise lol
@@muhammadfarhan581 Ever heard of Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier?
They'd have to bring in people who's actually knowledgeable and passionate about the sport. There's a huge difference in quality between their NBA videos, which are all excellent, and their videos on other sports such as football (soccer) or MMA, where it's obvious they've done their research on the topics but the results are nowhere near as deep and dense as with the NBA ones
Wonderful production, as always!!
I'm from that little town to the left *Crossett Arkansas* and I know the Scottie Pippen story well, I always enjoy the videos over here, In Depth, thorough.
from a distance they seemed so perfect lol but after the bulls documentary it all seemed to be held together by a string
Scottie is MY fav Bulls’ player of all time…& always has been & will be…
SOOOOO underrated…
I think he's rated fine. Hes considered greatest partner of all time. He just thinks he should get even more credit.
@@josereyes1148 & ya don’t think he should?! Did MJ win b4 him?! Did he win after him?!?
Scottie had chances 2 make it w/out MJ. 1…w/the Bulls’ (phantom call) & also w/the Blazers’…
Do ya homework…& don’t do that…
@@marcrichardson517 homework on what? Everyone knows the story. I didn't know it was so personal to you. I commented on Scottie pippen. Jordan credits him. You think he should be talked about like Jordan? You're insane.
Well done. Excellent trip down memory lane.
Been looking forward to this lets gooo
Been waiting to these vid
Outstanding. And we're only in part 1? Can't wait for more.
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I can’t wait for part 2!
While Pippen was certainly probably one of the most underpaid athletes of all time when he signed that deal, he needed a sure thing. I understand why he didn’t wanna risk his families future so he took much less money than he possibly could’ve got, and he just so happen to greatly outperform what he was being paid but unfortunately that doesn’t change what he was going to be paid. It’s sad because this drama puts a blight on the legacy of Pippen Jordan and the bulls.
When in trouble,blame headache/racism...Scottie's range.
This is probably the best beef of all beef videos.
The "no need to say who because I'm over it" line got me good. Great work, Clara.
Excellent work as usual!
Also i would kill for a Beef on Mourinho vs Barcelona
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Great quality video! This should be on PBS! :D
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Secret base I freaking love y'all!
LETS GO!!!! I was just thinking about this channel the other day
Love your minidocs. I'd like to suggest one about the ridiculous Eastern Bloc's domination in '88 Olympics, including a 2nd place in medal for the GDR over the US, and victories for the USSR over the US in basketball and over Brazil in football. Ridiculous both because it was a rout and because all those regimes were about to collapse. Really bizarre.
I remember hearing M.J. say at one time when he was making 30 million a year playing for the Bull's that Scottie should be making the same kind of money as well, even though at that time Scottie was making around a million a year(was the 2nd best player on that team)and was pretty much near the bottom when it came to pay scale. So yeah Scottie has every reason to be salty because he has to hear every year how great the Bulls were(how Scottie is still upset)and usually all the credit goes to Michael & Phil!!!
Great to hear and see you Clara Morris 🥰
Pippen was ahead of his time in terms of how players love to complain today...
By the way, I briefly went to grad school at UCA, where Pippen attended. This was long after he graduated and even won all those championships with the Bulls. But, they sure let everyone know that he went there with all those banners in the basketball arena. Can't blame them.
He basically is the one piece that they can hang on to in their history.
Pippen is essential for them
I have to side with Scottie when it comes to how blatantly disrespected he was by Bulls management. It's totally fine courting a player you believe will be a key piece to the team, but that has come second after taking care of your homegrown superstars who are fulfilling their end on the court. Especially when everyone under the sun knows he's grossly underpaid compared to his peers at the position. The first contract was on Scottie for signing it knowing he was getting screwed, but when it came time to re-negotiate there was no reason to be so stingy and petty with him.
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Winning solves a lot of problems.
The Bulls were so focused on winning in the present that they forgot to build an organization that would provide a stable foundation to win in the far future.
I'm noticing a trend in how much behind the scene drama a winning franchise has. A lot of beef history is teammate-on-teammate or teammate vs. organization/coach from teams that won multiple titles.
That competitive fire comes with a price
Except for spurs
@@thecensoredmuscle563 That's because they get rid of guys who don't jive with their culture.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 the only drama that i know about them is about kawhi.
@@andreitaker3527 Rodman famously got along poorly with everyone during his tenure there, he was seen in a worse light than Dwight that's why all the Bulls needed to get him was Will Purdue lol. Stephen Jackson and Richard Jefferson have also talked about how they didn't like being there though I don't think that qualifies for drama. Spurs run a tight ship, so we're not going to hear about locker room drama until guys are long retired if ever.
I have sooooo many of these games on VHS lol... Bulls v Sonics in '96 is my favorite. Over the years Ive stopped watching the NBA but I loved these Bulls.
This is such a great video that I don't know how I'm going to be able to wait two weeks for part two! And Scottie definitely had a huge chip on his should his entire career. Even with all the success and money he made (everyone talks about him being underpaid by the Bulls, which he was, no one ever seems to mention that he actually made more money in the league over his career than Michael freaking Jordan)
Scottie made all his money after he left the bulls lol, he didn’t get paid more then 4 million a year the entire time he was on the bulls.
That was when he left the Bulls though he was severely underpaid as a champion
@The Realest and that's why I stated it was "over his career."
Jordan had Nike though which payed him a lot
@@hibiki8473 Scottie also had a Nike contract.
to think that bulls reached further in the playoffs with pippen as the lone star when mj rested, and mj didn’t won a playoff series before pippen arrived, so underrated
When MJ left, the Bulls were 3x champions, so they better had went far in the playoffs. Also 94 Pippen was in the league longer and had a better team around him than 84-86 MJ. You are a fool. 🙏🏾
@@blackjesus6433 nahh just facts, mj won 1 playoff game without pipp, players play better with pippen, mj didn’t elevate his teammates, cause he’s too selfish, just lucky they played in the weakest era, mj had oakley and hodge, nice try though fool
@@marksines1246Nah foolishness not facts. MJ was drafted in 84 and Pip in 87. That means both MJ and Pip were young and still developing. Pip was average during his first few seasons in the league. When MJ got out the first round, Pip averaged 10ppg. Oakley and Hodge were average role players. Also MJ made Pip and Grant better. He made his teammates so good that they made it to the second round without him. Now that's definition of making teammates better. Also MJ would've never refused to go back in the game because he couldn't take the last shot unlike Marcus Jordan's girlfriend's baby daddy. 🤣 🙏🏾
@@blackjesus6433 LoL oakley average 20 points in the playoffand hodges was one of the best shooter, LoL armstrong and grant becam all star when mj isn’t there teammate, LOL so pipp was already there right? 10 points in the playoff considering mj doesn’t pass the ball, and they didn’t win the chip until pipp became an all star, LOL grown man staying in the basement talking about others personal life is your thing now?😂😂😂
@@blackjesus6433 Pippen was a better team player than Jordan that's why Chicago won more that's the reason Chicago won their first championship because Pippen was placed as the playmaker to make the difference Jordan couldn't because that Doug Collins iso ball with Jordan wasn't going to cut it that's common sense
We could of gotten Jeff Hornacek, and that would of pushed them over the top...at least to get to the finals, but Krause wanted to blow the team up.
Pip was almost traded to Miami for Steve Smith, Glen Rice & Ronny Seikaly that summer of 94.
I believe Krause also hemmed and hawed about trading Pippen away for McGrady during the 97 draft, I don't blame Pippen or anyone else on that team for hating the man.
I can’t wait to watch this !
They did scottie dirty
When this video started with Clara's voice it made me so happy. :)
It makes me so happy to see Clara appreciation comments ❤
Jerry Krause, a man so despised, built one of the most legendary dynasties in all of sports. Six titles in eight seasons, a feat only exceed by the Boston Celtics. I respected it and it was a joy to watch the Bulls (especially when they crushed the hated Utah Jazz) even though I wasn't even a Bulls fan. Yet when Jordan, Pippen and Jackson rightfully received the credit and Krause received mostly ire, in his insecurity, he sought nothing else but to undercut the players and the coaching staff and nuke the team. The Bulls easily could have won 2-3 more titles were it not for Krause's pride, ego and miserliness. Instead, they followed up the Last Dance with Tim Floyd and a 13-37 mercifully short season.
I personally believe that core was done after 98, but what came after that dynasty showed Krause wasn't near as good as he thought he was, pretty sure he wasn't involved with the team by the time Rose was drafted but correct me if I'm wrong.
The man is on record saying he wanted to blow the team up to prove he could win a title with MJ, Scottie and Phil. And went out of his way to shove Phil out the door.
@@CrazyxEnigma they maybe could've gotten 1 more had they kept the dynasty together for 1 last run in the 1999 lockout shortened year but Krause definitely played himself into believing it would be that easy to build another championship team from scratch. Krause deserves a lot of credit for the way he rebuilt the entire supporting cast between the first and second 3-peats but the main foundation of MJ and Pippen was in place throughout (with the exception of MJ's brief first retirement). He found out the hard way it simply isn't that easy when you don't have once in a lifetime type assets (MJ, Pippen) to build around.
@@coreyrowe4119 Not with that core they don't, Rodman wasn't an NBA level player anymore as he got waived by the Lakers that season, Pippen while still a solid role player wasn't an all star anymore. Jordan was still Jordan but he'd have missed the season anyway since he cut his hand open with a cigar opener. Not to mention just the weirdness of the 99 season in general, nobody had any conditioning and lots of guys got injured. Fun what-if to think about though.
@@CrazyxEnigma I don't believe Rodman got waived because he couldn't play anymore, the Lakers waived him just because interim coach Kurt Rambis couldn't deal with his antics like Phil Jackson could. Bulls would've been in a decent position if they brought everyone back since the familiarity would've been there opposed to other teams with newer rosters who had to learn to play together on the fly. It would've been tough but I believe the Bulls at the very least would've made the Finals and faced off with the Spurs considering the #8 seeded Knicks wound up representing the east that year.
As a bulls fan that grew up with this team, its kinda sad to see Scottie so bitter these days.
The guy got tons of love and credit for the bulls dynasty, yet he still is bitter and seems resentful of his time on the bulls.
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Exciting upload 👀
Great video! Good job on this one Clara
Even if you don't care much for MJ, how can anyone be so jealous of someone who is just that good?
Y’all are forgetting that Scottie’s attitude and determination to live in the 2 spot, both physically AND mentally, and then getting upset at that choice HE made… it’s like, an emotional maturity things for him. He still hasn’t gotten it yet IMO
Pippen definitely wasn't blameless, this vid just gives us a lot of context for why he made the decisions he made. Pippen never really got over being second fiddle to Jordan.
@CrazyxEnigma which is funny because he leads the bulls franchise in wins. Nothing to be bitter about lol. More wins than jordan.
@@skettinbutter3635 it's even crazier because Jordan has said publicly that they don't win those titles without Pippen. Scottie has some chip on his shoulder from his youth that never went away which is sad
Great video!
In the first 2 seconds I heard Clara Morris' voice and I said to myself, self...YaaaaY! It's a Clara Morris production! Unpause... play... let's go!
oh yes, secret base posted
"Look at Scottie Pippen. Doesn't he look happy"
6 RINGS = NO HAPPINESS... NOTED
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Finally, more Clara
This is quality work, I know because I majored in Beef History at the University of Beef
MJ’s son finessing Scottie’s we’d wife is the funniest thing ever
Wear my PIPPEN 33 jersey every other weekend with pride. Love the lad xx