@@VeneficusCubes see the problem is, tanks fall off in late game in current meta. Because of anti tank items like LDR, void staff, and demonic embrace. A tank needing to be that high to be use a part of his kit means that at any time, there's something in oorn's kit that the player is never benefiting from
I love this champion. His lore/ rivarly with volibear, his personality of a gruff dad/grandpa who secretly really loves you but doesn't like to show it, his unique playstyle of having both damage/tankiness/utlity, and his animation when he does all does things. It's really nice to see my favorite champion being covered, and I hope others try him out! Edit: Also, I should mention that I play league almost exclusively with friends, so while it doesn't necessarily solve Ornn's solo que problem, it really does help it.
Yeah Volibear is the boomer that always says how everything was better in the old days while Ornn just wants peacefullness. Like when you pick him he just says "Fine, i'll go"
I recently started playing him and I love him. I usually go for warmogs early game so I can get the hp Regen then sit in lane and never leave. I've started playing him as support and it's good for when my adc leaves lane or their adc leaves lane. I just push
Ornn and Volibear are not rivals they're brothers and mortal enemies. Volibear tricked Ornn into killing his own followers the only followers Ornn ever had and grew to like cause they showed their devotion by trying to ever improve as craftsman which was very much to his liking. Even though he never officially acknowledged them as his followers it hit him very hard when they died even more so because it happened due to his own temper.
@@Terrordragonfly I did know about their extremely bad blood (I also found it cool and kind of sad that in Voli's rework, he shed his armor, meaning Ornn's followers even more meaninglessly), but their voice lines made me kind of consider them like rivals in the game. I guess it's just my weird head cannon ig
I adore Ornn! Sorry to see him in this series. He’s really the perfect tank IMO- skill-expressive, scaling/teamfighting, enough laning tools to not get shoved around all early game. My guess of “why no one plays Ornn” is probably “he’s a tank”. Which might be enough in this day and age, unfortunately.
To simply put it - he's honest champion. He doesn't have a kit that is overloaded through the roof with clear strenghts, weaknesses and counterplay. Not like some who shall not be named.
There isn't a single "someone who shall not be named". Every champion released in the past 2 years is an overloaded mess. But yes, Akshan is the pinnacle of this.
@@marinmarinhola My disdain for Viego as a character aside, his kit is very simple. Ofc he has too high numbers, but it just requires few nerfs, you don't have to chop half his kit to make him balanced (unlike Yone, Gwen or Senna). To be fair the only champions released in last 2 years that i like are Rell and Sett (even though he is currently too strong). Everyone else is either badly designed, characterized or both. Akshan i have yet to see in game, but his preview screams balance nightmare. Yone hijacked Zed's ult into his basic ability and made it better, Gwen did the same with Xin's ult and Akshan dug up Revive and removed it's cooldown. That's indeed broken beyond recognition and he seems like straight up better Sivir - more dmg, more mobility and more safety.
@@Xertaron. that would be true if Virgo didn't have his passive and ult reset. His base kit isn't that complicated but his passive combined with his ult reset make him overloaded as hell. He has every single basic ability in the game. That's overloaded as hell IMO.
@@Xertaron. in what way is akshan even slightly similar to sivir lol. He has a boomerang I guess, but akshan is a mid lane assassin that happens to be ranged more than anything.
@@marinmarinhola The thing is if you reduce his numbers he will have to work harder to get a kill, which will make reseting more difficult. The reason why it's overpowered right now is because his dmg is too high and he can reliably reset over and over. The only thing i would change mechanically is to make him keep his items when transformed, similar to Dota 2's Morphling. That would give him a niche instead of being good against everyone.
@@erikb4407 I also prefer that, but that might be because I'm sick of this one shot meta rn. I just really think that it needs to shift away at some point
I love Ornn to a spiritual level: Toplane is basically my home, and together with Kled and Mundo I really like playing him. The reserved, very cool guy that understands your space and even if it hides it below a gruff face, he can show his love in many different ways... Ornn is the father I always desired, and that I will never have, sadly...
@@hamter504 he is understatted, but still gets played in proplay, which is why he got nerfed. He is very killable now. I think he was better before this rework, because he could counter high cc and magic damage teams. Now that nieche is gone. Edit: sorry I meant him the guy who perfectly fits in the nieche, is gone.
@@tomwanders6022 youre talking about Mundo right? yeah, i miss his old magic resist passive on his E, it made some matchups much more tolerable. i also just enjoyed old mundo jg clear a lot more, new mundo clear feels... off.
@@heckclothing i wanted to try Poppy too and wanted to ask, since she is a specialist but the meta changed alot, where is she supposed to be played now? Because I don't think Toplane is her thing anymore
I sometimes build it on Anivia when there's one enemy with very high damage because they got fed so I can actually stay close to deal my damage. It's a very late item I'd get though since then my damage is already high enough
Cause he, unlike other tanks takes some skill and the one time he was popular was when he could buy Sunfire/Abyssal and kill you by walking at you and missing everything. People that say tanks are boring are the same people who refuse to play any of the fun tanks.
i remember at one point people thought of the idea of just literally trying to stay in lane to soak up as much EXP as possible to hit level 11 or 12 really early like 15 mins and with proper CSing and maybe some assists or kills you could rush double sunfire with merc treads and literally be unkillable because both sunfires would evolve and now you have like 300 armor with sunfire and like 3000 health, any AD toplaner was officially out scaled by that point since sunfire was at the time much cheaper then 2 bruiser or full on damage items.
I main tanks actually (Sion and Kench mostly) but Ornn's gameplay just doesn't click with me for some reason. Last week i gave him a try once more and just solidified this opinion.
Ornn is isnt as braindead as Malphite, Maokai or Poppy, but playing fighters in toplane, like Irelia, Fiora and Riven is generally much more fun and rewarding than more skill expressive tanks like Shen, Zac and Ornn, because these champs have much more kills pressure and do more with a lead, yet inherently offer much less value to their team. What you also need to consider is how the experience is of playing against certain champions feels like to the guy on the recieving end, and why it leads to the community wanting to have these champs nerfed. Last season I would ban Ornn in almost every single game I played top, for a few reasons. I got absolutely slapped everytime I played against it, Ornn dealt way too much damage, and his trading pattern is very much like "Get off me/get out of my way", which feels very unfun to play against. Then came the issue of how much better he scaled, I'd argue Ornn was the closest thing in the game to an autowin if the game goes above 30 minutes, I'd rather have an Ornn on my team lategame than Kayle or Kassadin. You felt like you were in a rush to end the game, yet you could not do anything in lane to further your lead, because if you run into Ornn, you just lose. Even in the rare case you got a big lead in lane somehow, Ornn would be more usefull to his team than you anyways. This season changed things tho, now everything shreds tanks, and Ornn feels much weaker 1v1 with just 1 evolved item, but unfortunately there are still many toplaners that are unfun to go up against.
“They did introduce the new item anathemas chains but no ones gonna buy that item” Anathemas chains becomes best rush item on Ornn in Korea 😅😅😅😅 no joke it is
@@watawota2510 you don't need a video it's a simple concept. ornn scales harder than all other tanks and wants a farm lane as much as possible. anathemas gives him very one sided trades in lane and is extremely threatening in ganks/dives if your jungler has extra cc with the tenacity debuff
@@biggiecheese2004 not really useful bcz of the passive more important bcz the raw stat for really cheap, it has 650 health and 20 cdr (2300g for the raw stat) for 2500g is so good, the 2nd best option being warmog at 800 health and 10 cdr (2400g for the raw stat) + 600g in regeneration wich SUCKS ASS in lol when u explode in 5 sec, for 3000g which is so much better they can't be compared
Honestly Ornn is probably my favorite champ to play. I recently started maining him and tbh he's underplayed because he's a high skill tank with easy to dodge abilities. Even if he gets buffed he'd either be broken or the numbers won't change the fact that you can just walk away from his ult.
@Arthur But as Vars mentions in the video tanks are meant to be strong mid-game. They start off weak with no armour, magic resist or health, then at around 2 items (mid-game) they possess more relative power than a 2 item adc + support. Despite in your anecdote you still killed the cho'gath meaning you won the fight, just that it took 8 seconds not 1-2 that you perceived your 3 kill lead made you believe you should achieve. What Vars states is that tank items have diminishing returns, such that with each successive tank item purchased the relative power increase is much less than an adc item purchase. Thus in late game you will shred/kite the tank. But i digress, i agree there should be counter-tank items but i would also like for there to be more niche tank items like in previous seasons like adaptive helm for dps mages or more unique actives in the mythic's rather than all 3 having sunfire passive + small extra effect. Less damage more utility is what i want.
@Arthur uhhhh yeah that's a fed cho'gath for you he heals MASSIVELY from his ult... wut does that have to do with ornn with 0 self healing? lol also thats your problem right there dude you don't build ONLY % armor pen vs tanks you build mostly lethality and THEN either lord doms/serylda's
He is tank of the tanks, his passive literally gives him bonus armour/resistance/health for every armour/resistance/health he gets from items. He also posses shit ton of CC and was considered champion with most knocups in his kit. Where is problem you ask? Well you could look at Vars video :,,Tanks: Why Do They Do So Much Damage? | League of Legends" and you will get your anwser. In the short there was added soooo much anti-tank stuff and champions and so little rewards that it is simply not worth it.
Ornn is my favorite tank. Beyond most other tanks that exist he feels like the one champ that actually feels skillful to play. That is something I am kinda missing with most other tanks who feel very much "I do 1 thing and then take damage"
As an Ornn main, thank you for making this. It really did hurt losing one thing after another as Riot tried to balance him, but he truly is the champion they forgot when the new season rolled around. His dash hitboxing is still pretty scuffed at times and many of the tooltip texts in his quick crafting menu are still unfinished. stuff like "Item_desc_ID_1101" kind of thing when other items are like "Crowd control and health gain." Just a nitpick, really, but it is good to see my boy get some attention in a video like this.
I mean to be fair most of the missing text items for passive is new shit added after his release. but yeah the bugs with his E's hitbox needs to be fixed it actually gets him killed.
Tankiness and utility, my favorite tools when it comes to helping in teamfights. Ornn is like the perfect champ for someone like me, even his visual design is top tier.
its so sad to see Ornn get into these series, he's an awesome champion for many reasons, but also I'm very excited to watch this video on my birthday tommorow
i swear man, all the time, last game i played new lillia, i had like 4k health, riftmaker, demonic, cosmic, zhonyas, spirit visage later sold into thornmail, i was still getting oneshot by everything, sometimes it feels like either i gotta go full damage build, because on tank, bruiser or full ap build i am still getting oneshot on all cases, so at that point one shot them with a Q and burn them to death and then die, like, what's the point.
Both armor and magic pen nowadays is nuts to the point where they often feel like the best buys against both tanks and squishies. Can't remember the last time I've opted for rabadons over void staff or at least its penetration component.
I love this guy. He is one of my favorite champs to play when it comes to "off meta" bot comps. Have my Yuumi friend sit on me, I rush Bramble, and I can do some good damage and basically never die or let the enemy bot get an advantage. It is hilarious
I miss release Ornn, because everyone thought he was super weak and did not respect you at all. You could get the Gold income rune(forget the name) and just stay in lane the entire game and be 1-2 Levels ahead of your opponents. But then they buffed him and suddenly "you're not good at LoL you just are abusing something op!".
Well I'm glad you take this extra step. Music can be an integral part of setting the mood or helping people remember the video more. Like the I'll remember the over powered abilities video more because I remember how well the music went with the tone and pacing of the videos themeing and topics.
I really like ornn i just wish i could be tanky without a darius with black cleaver destroying me like a squishy. Even if i would do less dmg just make me tanky pls.
I think one of the reasons is all the true damage in the game as well. You feel squishy as hell anyways even if you're a tank. In top lane specially. Sett, Gwen, Camille, Fiora.
well for Sett if you got hit by his true damage most of the time you deserved it since his W isnt exactly difficult to dodge, most people just dont bother walking the 5 feet to the side it would take to only get hit with physical damage for some odd reason.
Ornn is such a fun, expressive champion. Unfortunately unless a champion can 1v9 damage the enemy team they aren't going to be as popular in league solo que. There isn't any way to solve this, people don't trust strangers to take advantage of a champions utility. If Ornn didn't have such a hard scaling passive he'd probably have already ended up like Maokai in support more often. I'm glad champions that are more team oriented exist though, I derive a lot more enjoyment supporting a team than trying to do everything on my own.
I absolutely love the series and always enjoy watching them, but I had been wondering about the tree in the jungle, does Ivern make the requirements for a “Why no one plays”? If so I would love to see an episode with him!!
Buffs starts game w/ dorans shield, ring, and sword(no sell value). While near shop gets a 20%discount. At start an on lv up builds a shield =(12+lv)% max hp shield. Lower when can build mastereworks to lv 11. Add Ornn can build 6 mythic items.
250k M7 Ornn main here, this character his lore, look, persona, everything, hands down favourite champ in the game. Ornn supp is lowkey broken against most bot lane duos. His top pressure has slacked off a bit lately but hes so fun.
When true damage was the only problem with ornn hp wich never lost value would be my go to thing to max but now that divine surrender is the most meta thing too building HP gives the enemy more healing and building armor is just bonked by true damage and armor pen along with black cleaver
I am one of the Ornn mains because I love the feeling of "do you really wanna fight me? u know I won´t take any damage right? oops you are dead" but a mix of the upgrade level increase and the s11 item rework kinda made bruisers and slayers OP and tanks giga squishy. Also the "removal" of mana as a buyable stat makes laning on Ornn pretty whack since you either have to go corupting pot (but you cant really use the bonus damage on it because you cant trade) or basically never use Q.
Cause he s not a popular champion, funny hahaahahaha isnt it both funny and sad how lux gets a skin a year while other champs dont get one in 3 years, he s just not popular AND MONEY SELLS, league is a free game so riot wants money, that s it. And why would they put their resources into an ornn skin when they can just make another lux one and get 5 times the profit.
1. Monster man/Non human champ. Riot said that that monster/non human/beastmen champs aren’t popular so they don’t prioritize skins on them. 2. Not a pretty boi/Bishounen champ. Ornn is a burly goat god of fire and the hearth. He’s No sett, Ezreal, Yasuo, Yone. 3. Not a waifu champ. Ahri, Lux, MF, Samira, kaisa and senna are getting skins every other patch or so. Yet kaisa who came out a few months after ornn gets skins near instantly.
I play ornn religiously ( seriously, I have like 200k points on him ), and for the most part, I agree with you, but there a few things I like to say. 1: with the changes to warmongers armor, ornn can build it first item and can restore crazy amounts of health so that ornn can be passive and allow him to play passively until he can get bamis sinder ( or at least that's how I play it ) 2: ornn with a group of 3+ of people playing together ( group play, not solo) he can be vital since then he can build based on how well his team is doing. 3: ornn power spike is when he get his first item and the extra stats he gets his mythic ( aka Sunfire ) and allow him to become more aggressive without putting him it that much danger ( unless it's a fiora, seriously riot, why ) 4: while yes tank shreding exist, ornn build pure tank and with the crazy amount of healing he can get with warmongs , he can get out of any situation with just flash and 1 to 2 searing charges.
I got him the other day. Very fun to play! One ornn tip that I read that really helped me: You can be pretty far behind in CS and kills and you can still bring it back and win the game. Just don't die too many times. I know that's a very straightforward tip but it's so easy to forget that and lose the match in your mind simply because you died a couple of times early on and you can't CS as much because of an oppressive lane opponent.
I have played ornn since his release until i found irelia a few monthsback before i became a otp. Everything about ornn just feels right. His thematic to voice lines to visuals. I love all of it. I played over 100 games with him when rhe season was ending the next month. Everyone said he was bad on release but he wasnt. People were just building the wrong stuff. The only problem he had was mana which they fixed with his base mana buff. I will forever love Ornn as a champ and my goal is still to find who the voice actor of him is and i will always play him if we need a tank or irelia is picked
I always thought it was funny how they never wanted to give Ornn a skin because he wasn't marketable, despite him getting picked in tons of pro play games which means he was being advertised all the time realistically. Unrelated, but when you're out of characters that fit "Why No One Plays", why not hit on some of the characters in the highest one trick territory? Something like Why Only One Tricks Play (insert name)
I recently picked up Ornn when he was a free champ, and instantly fell in love with his playstyle, if you can play it out, and maybe get some early kills, you can be a big decider in a match as Ornn can build a ton of items that give him shield, or sustainability, once again, a really fun champ once you know what u need to do.
I think doing a video on champs who changed roles would be Interesting, maybe reasons why they changed and instances where despite riots attempts, they were still good in the old role
I’m surprised you didn’t mention when Mythics were added. Ornn used to be able to build 2 of his own items, usually gaining 1000 hp AT LEAST at level 13. Now he can only upgrade his mythic, giving him much worse stats than before.
This one ... this one will be sad. I am fond of Ornn. There was put so much heart into his story, his design and his gameplay. He even carried me out of silver. But now against all those 200 years champions with so much damage? Even sadder that he is the last monster champion done in four years.
I play ornn because I like his characther, his animations, his design, his team player/CC heavy play style, his unique passive and awesome ult, might not be that strong but it's fun
oh i recognize the FFXIII music :D as an ornn lover i appreciate the use of it. the FF13 series might not be the best set of games ever but wow the music pretty much is the best ever.
10:44 Just as surprisingly, they brought this feature back to Wild rift. And he also made a new passive ability to give stakes allies, through which they can buy items anywhere.
As Ornn Mein agrees, Ornn is a very team champion,his potential to solocarry the game is incredibly low(although there are a couple of such games) and it gets frustrating periodically when you realize that even after playing well, you will be useless if your team is absolute zero. But i steel love this sick Lamb guy
I think it's funny that he said anathema chains is hyper specific. Tbh, it's a mainstay in most orn builds, if your laser beats you throw it on then and then as the game progresses throw it on the main carry of enemy team. Typically with a tank like ornn only 1 or 2 members of enemy team deal meaningful damage, so having anathemas is great for tanks as by past 3rd item flat armor and Mr are meh stats that fall off hard. Utility options like anathema, knights vow, even warmogs to stay on the map are more useful
Just started playing ornn he's super cool his kit is awesome. I'm able to delay the game long enough to where I hit lvl 15 each time. But what you said is true it's all about offense and true damage now and he can't really keep up,BUT the 5k gold leap in power to your allies (even if they are behind) helps a lot. Reason being that since ornn is hardly played people forget what he does and how dangerous his late game can be. I'm a but based in what I say cuz I only have like 4 games with him and won each one. Lol good video though.
I don't know about Ornn specifically (waiting for the video), but I think tanks in general suck rn, their items are underwhelming, they get shredded in teamfights and there's so much true/max health damage and resistances pen in the game, as someone who loves to frontline I'd rather play a bruiser or a skirmicher, they may not be as tanky in terms of stats but their crazy sustain compensates for It, and damage as well.
This, tanks aren’t tanks, with all the max Heath % and true dmg running around (looking at you Viego and Gwen), tanks can’t do their job, they can’t tank anything without Viego going w auto q auto (full conq procs with that one little combo btw) and absolutely shredding them before they can do anything. Idk how to fix it either, they can’t just go and buff armor+mr numbers on every item, but at the same time that might be the only way to make them fun to play and legitimately viable. Rn if you want to be a big bulky champion you might as well just play sett, morde, or another juggernaut that can dish the damage back instead of a tank.
Tanks aren't played becouse you play solo q It's a free for all and they require a team They have a very hard time winning 1v1s (they aren't ment to do so) and since 1v1s and 2v2s are THE solo q environment that makes them repulsive to a lot of players
Tahm after his rework is awesome. Probably the only playable tank nowadays. But that's because he is overtuned. He can punishes and outsustains and outtrades any juggernaut or skirmisher in lane. And that's just by hitting his Q and AA'ing. Which is ironic,, since Ornn and other tanks are just too telegraphed. Like what's the point of playing a tank when you're as squishy as any other champion, can't splitpush well and your damage although a lot higher than back in the day, is still low? It doesn't feel like you're playing a tank when an Irelia can just quickly go in, do a few AA's, dash out and win the trade?
@@jakubekch.3621 Even in proplay which is a team game tanks are rarely played execpt in the support position, It's mostly bruisers and skirmiches top/mid and jungle
@@Envojus Tanks just aren’t an enjoyable class anymore, if you want individual power, if you want the ability to win the game to be in YOUR control, not your teammates, playing a tank is just about the worst thing you can do. Even when in an organized comp, unless the friend you are playing with is a really good damage carry (be it an assassin, bruiser or adc) being a tank is just not worth it. In a game with an atmosphere as competitive as league, being able to 1v9 grows more and more important, this is why champs like Kayn, Kha’Zix, Evelynn become more popular in the jungle, with nunu, zac and j4 all being sidelined. The same applies to top and support, people will choose Irelia and Pyke a million times before they choose Ornn or Alistar.
its funny that this video came our right as i started picking up ornn. in the top lane im usually playing things like gnar or camille. but i picked up ornn because i wanted to see what he was like and just have a tank in each role that has one (top jungle and support. and in each role, i have ornn, sej, and thresh respectively) and he has been a blast trying to get right. sucks knowing that he has taken such a blow in popularity, but it just means i know he wont be banned or picked from me :)
Since you made the series "Why no one plays anymore" you could also do a sereis "why everyone plays now". A good example is Xin, he was one of the least pickes champions for two years, and after his mini rework in 11.6 he has risen in popularity. Just dropping an idea for content.
I once played a game where I was top laneing against a Kail. My friend knew that Kail was unnstopable in the late game, so he told me to make them recall as much as possible and to not die to them. I proceeded to spam my q to whittle down Kail's HP. They rage quit half way through the game. XD
wait, he really isn't played that much? imo, he's the best tank for top. he can rush a counter build w/o worrying about his dmg since his W does it for him. although, tanks in general died because of the true dmg meta.
Building Ornn 2 sunfire capes as first items gave him immediately almost 150 armor & 500 HP when they where upgraded, AD champions where just tickling you.
I used to exclusively play support when I started playin in season 6. I then started playin mid every once in a while but I only stopped playing support when I started playing Ornn in season 9. Since then, top has been my primary role. The champ is really fun.
Additionally, I played a game the other day with 100k dmg negated (most in game), 40k dmg taken (most on game), 3 deaths (least in game), and 30k dmg dealt (5th most overall)
When i played ornn few weeks ago,used to rush warmog so i could never leave the lane.That was kinda cool,though its very hard to grab money on mythic on lvl 13.
I would really apreciate a shield or sustain mechanic trading it for damage, I really like this champ, but it often happens that I get outsustain at times, cause u cant go ravenous or lifesteal, so in the midgame if u go against a sustain lane and they know how to trade by bits, ur done.
@@howepellin Well i ban Vayne or fiora every game, but Ornn does not get melted if you play it right. Unfortunately Ornn relys on his team and yeah thats the aprt were i always fail
I remember playing him in jungle once like ages ago. And if his damage is all in now? Maybe we play him as a large assassin sense that's what riot apparently wants.
Well... no, Ornn has a powerful all in especially at level 6 due to being able to get up to 3 brittle procs. But he's still about Q and W punishes in lane, and he can't be played like an assassin because he's only viable with tank builds, his playstyle beyond landing is just about "all-in" combos, as it always has been.
It kinda sucks that a whole role as been made mostly useless because of how much pen and true damage riot is giving everyone and thing. Walked in to a fight with 5k hp and 300 armour and didn’t even last 3 seconds.
it's because tanks can also oneshot now. the damage in the game is completely out of hand, tanks should be tanky and adcs/carry champs (azir, ryze, cass) should be the ones dishing out high dps. we're literally in league of oneshots right now and it's disgusting and boring
Ah yes Ornn my main. I love playing him. The personality, the kit and the tankiness. I guess he just clicked for me and now he is my go to pick in most games unless i want to play something else. Nothing is more satisfying than beating most popular top picks who think they win lane because ornn builds tank items. Also rito thx for heartsteel. Now i can have my brittle+heartsteel proc satisfaction.
I used to Main Ornn, but yeah, in Season 11 there is just so much damage - and EARLY game damage - that he's just not viable in Solo Q most of the time. You have to play for the Late Game AND try to keep your Top lane opponent from getting to much of a lead (because frankly, if they're competent they WILL have a lead on you in CS as you back off to avoid taking unnecessary damage/trades in the first 10min or so). So you're likely to be 10-30 CS down at the 10min mark with MAYBE 1 kill (if your opponent or opponent JG is overconfident enough to try to tower dive you while you have E (Tower) W (while they're knocked up) Q (slow them down as they run from Tower) combo ready to go. Then you have to hope that your team is keeping it close (or outright winning) ... and worst of all, that they will buy Mythics. I don't understand it, but about 10% of the players I play with simply don't build a Mythic. At all. It's not that they don't build one as a first item (I generally don't anymore - I tend to go either Bramble into Warmogs or Bami into Warmogs depending on the situation, then wait to see whether Sunfire or Frostfire will be more useful in that particular game) but that they don't build one AT ALL. Even with 6 items, they don't build a mythic. One of my last games as Ornn I kept on telling an Ekko jungle that I can't upgrade anything but Mythics but he still kept flaming me in Chat for not upgrading him. (Maddening part was that he was dominating the jungle, - was like 15/5/10 with 200 CS - so it wasn't like he was an absolutely moronic player. He knew what he was doing but just couldn't get it through is head that Ornn got changed, and thought I was being a jerk.) These days I only play Ornn when I'm First Pick and I need a safe blind pick, or if I'm playing with a group of friends who I know will be able to give me early JG support, as even coming up and making my opponent back up for 3-4 waves is enough to keep me viable in the early game. I don't need ganks, but if my opponent THINKS there might be ganks and plays like that, I can get 10-20 more CS than normal and it's a better game overall.
The toplaner you ingored for 20 mins but were pleasantly surprised when he tp's out of lane to upgrade your mythic.
Yeah ornn needs lvl 13 to be useful in match. (Classic tank build scales only with level)
@@VeneficusCubes see the problem is, tanks fall off in late game in current meta. Because of anti tank items like LDR, void staff, and demonic embrace. A tank needing to be that high to be use a part of his kit means that at any time, there's something in oorn's kit that the player is never benefiting from
@@khalilrahme5227 That's why i usually build oftank (2-3 tank items and filling of dmg items) so that i'd do some punching in the meantime
@@khalilrahme5227 *cough* 20% AP ratio on ultimate.
@@VeneficusCubes 20% is nothing.
I love this champion. His lore/ rivarly with volibear, his personality of a gruff dad/grandpa who secretly really loves you but doesn't like to show it, his unique playstyle of having both damage/tankiness/utlity, and his animation when he does all does things. It's really nice to see my favorite champion being covered, and I hope others try him out!
Edit: Also, I should mention that I play league almost exclusively with friends, so while it doesn't necessarily solve Ornn's solo que problem, it really does help it.
Yeah Volibear is the boomer that always says how everything was better in the old days while Ornn just wants peacefullness. Like when you pick him he just says "Fine, i'll go"
I recently started playing him and I love him. I usually go for warmogs early game so I can get the hp Regen then sit in lane and never leave. I've started playing him as support and it's good for when my adc leaves lane or their adc leaves lane. I just push
Ornn and Volibear are not rivals they're brothers and mortal enemies. Volibear tricked Ornn into killing his own followers the only followers Ornn ever had and grew to like cause they showed their devotion by trying to ever improve as craftsman which was very much to his liking. Even though he never officially acknowledged them as his followers it hit him very hard when they died even more so because it happened due to his own temper.
@@Terrordragonfly I did know about their extremely bad blood (I also found it cool and kind of sad that in Voli's rework, he shed his armor, meaning Ornn's followers even more meaninglessly), but their voice lines made me kind of consider them like rivals in the game. I guess it's just my weird head cannon ig
On other words ornn is a tsundere
Even though I have only played Ornn once, he does have a very special place in my heart. He helps with daddy issues, and definitely not the weird kind
I love playing Ornn, he’s my secondary after Bard. He’s so much fun
Bard Bard Bard Bard Diff
@@studentbroke7507 cringe
I've seen the fan art. It's the weird kind too.
I adore Ornn! Sorry to see him in this series. He’s really the perfect tank IMO- skill-expressive, scaling/teamfighting, enough laning tools to not get shoved around all early game.
My guess of “why no one plays Ornn” is probably “he’s a tank”. Which might be enough in this day and age, unfortunately.
To simply put it - he's honest champion. He doesn't have a kit that is overloaded through the roof with clear strenghts, weaknesses and counterplay. Not like some who shall not be named.
There isn't a single "someone who shall not be named". Every champion released in the past 2 years is an overloaded mess. But yes, Akshan is the pinnacle of this.
@@marinmarinhola My disdain for Viego as a character aside, his kit is very simple. Ofc he has too high numbers, but it just requires few nerfs, you don't have to chop half his kit to make him balanced (unlike Yone, Gwen or Senna).
To be fair the only champions released in last 2 years that i like are Rell and Sett (even though he is currently too strong). Everyone else is either badly designed, characterized or both. Akshan i have yet to see in game, but his preview screams balance nightmare.
Yone hijacked Zed's ult into his basic ability and made it better, Gwen did the same with Xin's ult and Akshan dug up Revive and removed it's cooldown.
That's indeed broken beyond recognition and he seems like straight up better Sivir - more dmg, more mobility and more safety.
@@Xertaron. that would be true if Virgo didn't have his passive and ult reset. His base kit isn't that complicated but his passive combined with his ult reset make him overloaded as hell. He has every single basic ability in the game. That's overloaded as hell IMO.
@@Xertaron. in what way is akshan even slightly similar to sivir lol. He has a boomerang I guess, but akshan is a mid lane assassin that happens to be ranged more than anything.
@@marinmarinhola The thing is if you reduce his numbers he will have to work harder to get a kill, which will make reseting more difficult. The reason why it's overpowered right now is because his dmg is too high and he can reliably reset over and over.
The only thing i would change mechanically is to make him keep his items when transformed, similar to Dota 2's Morphling. That would give him a niche instead of being good against everyone.
seriously hate how the meta is right now
you either get one-shotted, or you one-shot the enemy
That's s11 in a nutshell
Yugioh, probably every other game
I prefer this meta instead of the wet noodle fights and games lasting 40 minutes each tank meta
@@erikb4407
I prefer that
@@erikb4407 I also prefer that, but that might be because I'm sick of this one shot meta rn. I just really think that it needs to shift away at some point
Maybe if he was a kpop star he’d be more popular
Isn't he a kpop star already?
@@belgirgucu3248 he is kpop daddy
I want Ornn to be in KDA now.
But then he has to be the pimp he actually is - long live SUGAR DADDY ORNN
Don't worry, I'm sure Riot will give him an e-boy skin one day like they've been giving to other monster champs lately.
I love Ornn to a spiritual level: Toplane is basically my home, and together with Kled and Mundo I really like playing him. The reserved, very cool guy that understands your space and even if it hides it below a gruff face, he can show his love in many different ways... Ornn is the father I always desired, and that I will never have, sadly...
MY MAN! I main both Kled and Ornn! Used to play Mundo a lot before the rework, but now I can't really get the hang of him for some reason
@@hamter504 he is understatted, but still gets played in proplay, which is why he got nerfed. He is very killable now. I think he was better before this rework, because he could counter high cc and magic damage teams. Now that nieche is gone.
Edit: sorry I meant him the guy who perfectly fits in the nieche, is gone.
@@tomwanders6022 youre talking about Mundo right? yeah, i miss his old magic resist passive on his E, it made some matchups much more tolerable. i also just enjoyed old mundo jg clear a lot more, new mundo clear feels... off.
I think the same! I main Poppy, Kled and Ornn
@@heckclothing i wanted to try Poppy too and wanted to ask, since she is a specialist but the meta changed alot, where is she supposed to be played now? Because I don't think Toplane is her thing anymore
Ornn just wanted to be left alone and thats what he got fluffy man
i wanna pet him
Isnt Voli more fluffy?
@@Eldex0 Yes, really on Ornns face and around his shoulders is fluff, the rest of him is skin
"No one would buy anathema's chains"
Math Leona: haha enemy adc got leaver buster warning
Last game I was playing sion, they had brand with liandry, I don't need to say anything else.
Imagine Morgana already being capable of ccing a target for 9 seconds :)
@@purplereimu9701 But every Brand in existance is building Liandry´s though? And most of the time, Demonic for the triple burn, so annoying.
I sometimes build it on Anivia when there's one enemy with very high damage because they got fed so I can actually stay close to deal my damage. It's a very late item I'd get though since then my damage is already high enough
haven't finished vid yet but my god please tell this derpy didn't seriously say "no one would buy anathema's chains"
I would play ornn if shen didn’t exist. I think Orrn just leans a little too heavily into being a big beefy boi
love my beef lads
i'll add a little into the Shen hate -- guy is so annoying
Ha I main both. They're both equally as fun but I get what you mean I play shen more than I play anyone else
@@chillbro2275 He's annoying cause his whole thing is catching you lacking which people don't like.
Same, i Play Shen and when i can't play it or i'm against sett i play ornn, i have higher winrate with ornn but shen is just too funny to play xd
Is for the better, Ornn is fine in this moment. If he got more atention it will be bad for us main Ornns knowing riots balance team
Exactly I like how he is in the moment, I'm too tanky to die and I can 1v1 an urgot a level and item up on me
Oh god, he managed to tank Yone in the late game longer than others can, lets buff yone then make sure Ornn has lower base health...
But....but....more skins for him!
Cause he, unlike other tanks takes some skill and the one time he was popular was when he could buy Sunfire/Abyssal and kill you by walking at you and missing everything.
People that say tanks are boring are the same people who refuse to play any of the fun tanks.
Yea but sometimes the champs don’t have what you want even though there fun they don’t peak your interest
Tactical Goat is my fav tank to play.
Did you know - triple britle proc combo deals 70% max hp magic dmg. On top of flat physical and 3s of knock up?
i remember at one point people thought of the idea of just literally trying to stay in lane to soak up as much EXP as possible to hit level 11 or 12 really early like 15 mins and with proper CSing and maybe some assists or kills you could rush double sunfire with merc treads and literally be unkillable because both sunfires would evolve and now you have like 300 armor with sunfire and like 3000 health, any AD toplaner was officially out scaled by that point since sunfire was at the time much cheaper then 2 bruiser or full on damage items.
I main tanks actually (Sion and Kench mostly) but Ornn's gameplay just doesn't click with me for some reason. Last week i gave him a try once more and just solidified this opinion.
Ornn is isnt as braindead as Malphite, Maokai or Poppy, but playing fighters in toplane, like Irelia, Fiora and Riven is generally much more fun and rewarding than more skill expressive tanks like Shen, Zac and Ornn, because these champs have much more kills pressure and do more with a lead, yet inherently offer much less value to their team.
What you also need to consider is how the experience is of playing against certain champions feels like to the guy on the recieving end, and why it leads to the community wanting to have these champs nerfed.
Last season I would ban Ornn in almost every single game I played top, for a few reasons. I got absolutely slapped everytime I played against it, Ornn dealt way too much damage, and his trading pattern is very much like "Get off me/get out of my way", which feels very unfun to play against. Then came the issue of how much better he scaled, I'd argue Ornn was the closest thing in the game to an autowin if the game goes above 30 minutes, I'd rather have an Ornn on my team lategame than Kayle or Kassadin. You felt like you were in a rush to end the game, yet you could not do anything in lane to further your lead, because if you run into Ornn, you just lose. Even in the rare case you got a big lead in lane somehow, Ornn would be more usefull to his team than you anyways.
This season changed things tho, now everything shreds tanks, and Ornn feels much weaker 1v1 with just 1 evolved item, but unfortunately there are still many toplaners that are unfun to go up against.
i love ornn because of the free stats from ornnaments and his insane damage with brittle procs
Almost all the champs in this series I play. I just like the uniqueness of their playstyle and the pain I have to inflict on myself when I do.
Cries in Ornn, Trynda, Udyr, Braum, Cho'Gath, Trundle, Tahm Kench
“They did introduce the new item anathemas chains but no ones gonna buy that item” Anathemas chains becomes best rush item on Ornn in Korea 😅😅😅😅 no joke it is
Is there any video about the thing you said? Im curious
@@watawota2510 I think skill capped made one yesterday
@@watawota2510 you don't need a video it's a simple concept. ornn scales harder than all other tanks and wants a farm lane as much as possible. anathemas gives him very one sided trades in lane and is extremely threatening in ganks/dives if your jungler has extra cc with the tenacity debuff
@@biggiecheese2004 also remember ornn get bonus health from all sources making the damage reduction from anathema more efective
@@biggiecheese2004 not really useful bcz of the passive more important bcz the raw stat for really cheap, it has 650 health and 20 cdr (2300g for the raw stat) for 2500g is so good, the 2nd best option being warmog at 800 health and 10 cdr (2400g for the raw stat) + 600g in regeneration wich SUCKS ASS in lol when u explode in 5 sec, for 3000g which is so much better they can't be compared
Honestly Ornn is probably my favorite champ to play. I recently started maining him and tbh he's underplayed because he's a high skill tank with easy to dodge abilities. Even if he gets buffed he'd either be broken or the numbers won't change the fact that you can just walk away from his ult.
Or just cc him so he cant hit his ult, or he miss timed it. XD.
@@xaussiemarksmanx8381 pain.
if you can land ult you just win and as you said high skill ceiling
I love Ornn, I just wish it wasn't so easy to counter build tanks.
@Arthur then Play vayne kogmaw Lulu and See how fast you can kill him
@Arthur But as Vars mentions in the video tanks are meant to be strong mid-game. They start off weak with no armour, magic resist or health, then at around 2 items (mid-game) they possess more relative power than a 2 item adc + support.
Despite in your anecdote you still killed the cho'gath meaning you won the fight, just that it took 8 seconds not 1-2 that you perceived your 3 kill lead made you believe you should achieve. What Vars states is that tank items have diminishing returns, such that with each successive tank item purchased the relative power increase is much less than an adc item purchase. Thus in late game you will shred/kite the tank.
But i digress, i agree there should be counter-tank items but i would also like for there to be more niche tank items like in previous seasons like adaptive helm for dps mages or more unique actives in the mythic's rather than all 3 having sunfire passive + small extra effect. Less damage more utility is what i want.
@Arthur uhhhh yeah that's a fed cho'gath for you he heals MASSIVELY from his ult... wut does that have to do with ornn with 0 self healing? lol also thats your problem right there dude you don't build ONLY % armor pen vs tanks you build mostly lethality and THEN either lord doms/serylda's
@i am the n I guess if you get the kill its the bonus health plus the passive healing around 200+, not counting omnivamp runes
I love Ornnnnnn I should give him a try I’ve only tried him one time and that was when he was free. Why isn’t he played?!
He is tank of the tanks, his passive literally gives him bonus armour/resistance/health for every armour/resistance/health he gets from items. He also posses shit ton of CC and was considered champion with most knocups in his kit. Where is problem you ask? Well you could look at Vars video :,,Tanks: Why Do They Do So Much Damage? | League of Legends" and you will get your anwser. In the short there was added soooo much anti-tank stuff and champions and so little rewards that it is simply not worth it.
If only there was a video from some content creator that raises and explains this topic! If only... A man can dream, right?
@@jeluenhayo2410 I can only wish
Ornn is my favorite tank. Beyond most other tanks that exist he feels like the one champ that actually feels skillful to play. That is something I am kinda missing with most other tanks who feel very much "I do 1 thing and then take damage"
As an Ornn main, thank you for making this. It really did hurt losing one thing after another as Riot tried to balance him, but he truly is the champion they forgot when the new season rolled around. His dash hitboxing is still pretty scuffed at times and many of the tooltip texts in his quick crafting menu are still unfinished. stuff like "Item_desc_ID_1101" kind of thing when other items are like "Crowd control and health gain."
Just a nitpick, really, but it is good to see my boy get some attention in a video like this.
I mean to be fair most of the missing text items for passive is new shit added after his release. but yeah the bugs with his E's hitbox needs to be fixed it actually gets him killed.
To this day, his tooltip mistakenly says the Force of Nature has health regeneration on it. Which it hasn't had in quite a while.
Tankiness and utility, my favorite tools when it comes to helping in teamfights. Ornn is like the perfect champ for someone like me, even his visual design is top tier.
its so sad to see Ornn get into these series, he's an awesome champion for many reasons, but also I'm very excited to watch this video on my birthday tommorow
Happy early birthday!
Ty! Keep up your videos 💙
Dude I gotta hand it to you. Literally your why no one plays made me try out singed, kalista, and azir. I love them all
one frickin sentence.. n e r f a n t i t a n k i t e m s.
Trynda w krakenslayer laughing
Riven w black cleaver laughing
Nasus w divine sundered laughing
i swear man, all the time, last game i played new lillia, i had like 4k health, riftmaker, demonic, cosmic, zhonyas, spirit visage later sold into thornmail, i was still getting oneshot by everything, sometimes it feels like either i gotta go full damage build, because on tank, bruiser or full ap build i am still getting oneshot on all cases, so at that point one shot them with a Q and burn them to death and then die, like, what's the point.
Both armor and magic pen nowadays is nuts to the point where they often feel like the best buys against both tanks and squishies. Can't remember the last time I've opted for rabadons over void staff or at least its penetration component.
Love Ornn, he's my main and will always have a special place in my heart. I just hope he gets more love from the skin dev team.
I love this guy. He is one of my favorite champs to play when it comes to "off meta" bot comps. Have my Yuumi friend sit on me, I rush Bramble, and I can do some good damage and basically never die or let the enemy bot get an advantage. It is hilarious
I miss release Ornn, because everyone thought he was super weak and did not respect you at all. You could get the Gold income rune(forget the name) and just stay in lane the entire game and be 1-2 Levels ahead of your opponents. But then they buffed him and suddenly "you're not good at LoL you just are abusing something op!".
Kleptomancy
You have first strike now, maybe try again. XD.
Let's gooo! Finally a WNOP on my main and my main man Ornn, yeah baby!
Ornn is Tonk but in lane he can bonk
The clap Ornn....The clap.
W auto goes BUM
Found your channel recently been binging your videos. I have to say your music choice is excellent.
I do take pride in my music choices XD
Well I'm glad you take this extra step. Music can be an integral part of setting the mood or helping people remember the video more.
Like the I'll remember the over powered abilities video more because I remember how well the music went with the tone and pacing of the videos themeing and topics.
I really like ornn i just wish i could be tanky without a darius with black cleaver destroying me like a squishy. Even if i would do less dmg just make me tanky pls.
funny then that darius is one of his best matchups XD
@@imminotaur400 I mean darius builds cleaver second to third item and by than the laning phase is over, so ye
Im not really familiar with top lane I just needed an example that has armor pen. Probably should have used vayne or something like that. XD
@@dapu8033 in defence of vayne at least she is meant to be a tank buster.
Still no water in the fountain?
These videos are addictive! I've watched five in the playlist and now I want to watch them all.
I think one of the reasons is all the true damage in the game as well. You feel squishy as hell anyways even if you're a tank. In top lane specially. Sett, Gwen, Camille, Fiora.
well for Sett if you got hit by his true damage most of the time you deserved it since his W isnt exactly difficult to dodge, most people just dont bother walking the 5 feet to the side it would take to only get hit with physical damage for some odd reason.
Ornn is such a fun, expressive champion. Unfortunately unless a champion can 1v9 damage the enemy team they aren't going to be as popular in league solo que. There isn't any way to solve this, people don't trust strangers to take advantage of a champions utility. If Ornn didn't have such a hard scaling passive he'd probably have already ended up like Maokai in support more often.
I'm glad champions that are more team oriented exist though, I derive a lot more enjoyment supporting a team than trying to do everything on my own.
I absolutely love the series and always enjoy watching them, but I had been wondering about the tree in the jungle, does Ivern make the requirements for a “Why no one plays”? If so I would love to see an episode with him!!
Buffs starts game w/ dorans shield, ring, and sword(no sell value). While near shop gets a 20%discount. At start an on lv up builds a shield =(12+lv)% max hp shield. Lower when can build mastereworks to lv 11. Add Ornn can build 6 mythic items.
Actually kind of love chains now, though you almost never see it. The tenacity reduction is what makes it really shine, even silences last longer.
Tnaks. Damnit…
250k M7 Ornn main here, this character his lore, look, persona, everything, hands down favourite champ in the game. Ornn supp is lowkey broken against most bot lane duos. His top pressure has slacked off a bit lately but hes so fun.
But isn't it a bit counterintuitive to bring Ornn as support if he's going to level up even slower?
Osiris yeah that's why you shouldn't do it.
@@infinitydesu slower yes, goal is to get 13 ASAP but once you get your team ahead it becomes easier.
Only started playing ornn.
Only if upgrading allies had more range would be nice. Hate trying to chase them XD.
When true damage was the only problem with ornn hp wich never lost value would be my go to thing to max but now that divine surrender is the most meta thing too building HP gives the enemy more healing and building armor is just bonked by true damage and armor pen along with black cleaver
As a fellow Ornn Main I have to say that with a pot into dorans shield in lane start, you have a pretty reliable early game sustain
"Nobody would buy anathema's chains"
WTF, no. It's a great item, I love it.
yo vars i would love to see you make a series about one tricks "why this is a onetrick champ" or something like that
I am one of the Ornn mains because I love the feeling of "do you really wanna fight me? u know I won´t take any damage right? oops you are dead" but a mix of the upgrade level increase and the s11 item rework kinda made bruisers and slayers OP and tanks giga squishy. Also the "removal" of mana as a buyable stat makes laning on Ornn pretty whack since you either have to go corupting pot (but you cant really use the bonus damage on it because you cant trade) or basically never use Q.
Why did it take 3 years to get a second skin for Ornn? 😔
Cause he s not a popular champion, funny hahaahahaha isnt it both funny and sad how lux gets a skin a year while other champs dont get one in 3 years, he s just not popular AND MONEY SELLS, league is a free game so riot wants money, that s it. And why would they put their resources into an ornn skin when they can just make another lux one and get 5 times the profit.
1. Monster man/Non human champ. Riot said that that monster/non human/beastmen champs aren’t popular so they don’t prioritize skins on them.
2. Not a pretty boi/Bishounen champ. Ornn is a burly goat god of fire and the hearth. He’s No sett, Ezreal, Yasuo, Yone.
3. Not a waifu champ. Ahri, Lux, MF, Samira, kaisa and senna are getting skins every other patch or so.
Yet kaisa who came out a few months after ornn gets skins near instantly.
@@espio329 you just sent me down the weirdest fuckin rabbit hole googling bishounen, god damn you
@@espio329 2 hours of my life reading about kpop idols i'll never get back
I play ornn religiously ( seriously, I have like 200k points on him ), and for the most part, I agree with you, but there a few things I like to say.
1: with the changes to warmongers armor, ornn can build it first item and can restore crazy amounts of health so that ornn can be passive and allow him to play passively until he can get bamis sinder ( or at least that's how I play it )
2: ornn with a group of 3+ of people playing together ( group play, not solo) he can be vital since then he can build based on how well his team is doing.
3: ornn power spike is when he get his first item and the extra stats he gets his mythic ( aka Sunfire ) and allow him to become more aggressive without putting him it that much danger ( unless it's a fiora, seriously riot, why )
4: while yes tank shreding exist, ornn build pure tank and with the crazy amount of healing he can get with warmongs , he can get out of any situation with just flash and 1 to 2 searing charges.
I got him the other day. Very fun to play! One ornn tip that I read that really helped me:
You can be pretty far behind in CS and kills and you can still bring it back and win the game. Just don't die too many times.
I know that's a very straightforward tip but it's so easy to forget that and lose the match in your mind simply because you died a couple of times early on and you can't CS as much because of an oppressive lane opponent.
I have played ornn since his release until i found irelia a few monthsback before i became a otp. Everything about ornn just feels right. His thematic to voice lines to visuals. I love all of it. I played over 100 games with him when rhe season was ending the next month. Everyone said he was bad on release but he wasnt. People were just building the wrong stuff. The only problem he had was mana which they fixed with his base mana buff. I will forever love Ornn as a champ and my goal is still to find who the voice actor of him is and i will always play him if we need a tank or irelia is picked
I love how emphatically he said "almost twenty percent!" meanwhile Kai'Sa has hovered around that playrate since i started the game.
I always thought it was funny how they never wanted to give Ornn a skin because he wasn't marketable, despite him getting picked in tons of pro play games which means he was being advertised all the time realistically.
Unrelated, but when you're out of characters that fit "Why No One Plays", why not hit on some of the characters in the highest one trick territory? Something like Why Only One Tricks Play (insert name)
Nice idea imo
I recently picked up Ornn when he was a free champ, and instantly fell in love with his playstyle, if you can play it out, and maybe get some early kills, you can be a big decider in a match as Ornn can build a ton of items that give him shield, or sustainability, once again, a really fun champ once you know what u need to do.
I think doing a video on champs who changed roles would be Interesting, maybe reasons why they changed and instances where despite riots attempts, they were still good in the old role
With all the horrible true damage items they are right now, he needs his W shield back
Ornn can't have a shield with that bs passive
@@ghostmaker4283 oRnN cAnT hAvE a ShIeLd wItH tHaT bS pAsSiVe
I’m surprised you didn’t mention when Mythics were added. Ornn used to be able to build 2 of his own items, usually gaining 1000 hp AT LEAST at level 13. Now he can only upgrade his mythic, giving him much worse stats than before.
I did. I literally had a segment where I talked about him having the best two item powerspike in existence.
They changed the possibility of a second upgraded item for the 4% increase of defensive stats per ally upgrade.
This one ... this one will be sad. I am fond of Ornn. There was put so much heart into his story, his design and his gameplay. He even carried me out of silver. But now against all those 200 years champions with so much damage? Even sadder that he is the last monster champion done in four years.
I don't think he really qualifies as a monster champ. He's just a dwarf with horns really
@@bevvvy1374 Well, still more monstrous than anything that came after him.
One of the few tanks I enjoy. I love how everything he does feels like it has so much impact.
I play ornn because I like his characther, his animations, his design, his team player/CC heavy play style, his unique passive and awesome ult, might not be that strong but it's fun
Ffxiii ost, love it
Nice vid, can you possibly do a why everyone plays Camille?
At 3:36 I felt that
For those who didn't get it I was talking about him failing to last hit the cannon minion
oh i recognize the FFXIII music :D as an ornn lover i appreciate the use of it. the FF13 series might not be the best set of games ever but wow the music pretty much is the best ever.
Here waiting for Morgana episode. Name for it. The balance champion
I loved ornn, i stopped playing after the item rework. he was fun because of the isborn gauntlet proc.
You thought we wouldn't notice the FF12 battle music in the background...but we did :)
10:44 Just as surprisingly, they brought this feature back to Wild rift.
And he also made a new passive ability to give stakes allies, through which they can buy items anywhere.
As Ornn Mein agrees, Ornn is a very team champion,his potential to solocarry the game is incredibly low(although there are a couple of such games) and it gets frustrating periodically when you realize that even after playing well, you will be useless if your team is absolute zero. But i steel love this sick Lamb guy
I think it's funny that he said anathema chains is hyper specific. Tbh, it's a mainstay in most orn builds, if your laser beats you throw it on then and then as the game progresses throw it on the main carry of enemy team. Typically with a tank like ornn only 1 or 2 members of enemy team deal meaningful damage, so having anathemas is great for tanks as by past 3rd item flat armor and Mr are meh stats that fall off hard. Utility options like anathema, knights vow, even warmogs to stay on the map are more useful
Just started playing ornn he's super cool his kit is awesome. I'm able to delay the game long enough to where I hit lvl 15 each time. But what you said is true it's all about offense and true damage now and he can't really keep up,BUT the 5k gold leap in power to your allies (even if they are behind) helps a lot. Reason being that since ornn is hardly played people forget what he does and how dangerous his late game can be. I'm a but based in what I say cuz I only have like 4 games with him and won each one. Lol good video though.
Ooh I hear that FF13 music in the background. Good music choices. :D
I don't know about Ornn specifically (waiting for the video), but I think tanks in general suck rn, their items are underwhelming, they get shredded in teamfights and there's so much true/max health damage and resistances pen in the game, as someone who loves to frontline I'd rather play a bruiser or a skirmicher, they may not be as tanky in terms of stats but their crazy sustain compensates for It, and damage as well.
This, tanks aren’t tanks, with all the max Heath % and true dmg running around (looking at you Viego and Gwen), tanks can’t do their job, they can’t tank anything without Viego going w auto q auto (full conq procs with that one little combo btw) and absolutely shredding them before they can do anything. Idk how to fix it either, they can’t just go and buff armor+mr numbers on every item, but at the same time that might be the only way to make them fun to play and legitimately viable. Rn if you want to be a big bulky champion you might as well just play sett, morde, or another juggernaut that can dish the damage back instead of a tank.
Tanks aren't played becouse you play solo q
It's a free for all and they require a team
They have a very hard time winning 1v1s (they aren't ment to do so) and since 1v1s and 2v2s are THE solo q environment that makes them repulsive to a lot of players
Tahm after his rework is awesome. Probably the only playable tank nowadays. But that's because he is overtuned. He can punishes and outsustains and outtrades any juggernaut or skirmisher in lane. And that's just by hitting his Q and AA'ing. Which is ironic,, since Ornn and other tanks are just too telegraphed.
Like what's the point of playing a tank when you're as squishy as any other champion, can't splitpush well and your damage although a lot higher than back in the day, is still low?
It doesn't feel like you're playing a tank when an Irelia can just quickly go in, do a few AA's, dash out and win the trade?
@@jakubekch.3621 Even in proplay which is a team game tanks are rarely played execpt in the support position, It's mostly bruisers and skirmiches top/mid and jungle
@@Envojus Tanks just aren’t an enjoyable class anymore, if you want individual power, if you want the ability to win the game to be in YOUR control, not your teammates, playing a tank is just about the worst thing you can do. Even when in an organized comp, unless the friend you are playing with is a really good damage carry (be it an assassin, bruiser or adc) being a tank is just not worth it. In a game with an atmosphere as competitive as league, being able to 1v9 grows more and more important, this is why champs like Kayn, Kha’Zix, Evelynn become more popular in the jungle, with nunu, zac and j4 all being sidelined. The same applies to top and support, people will choose Irelia and Pyke a million times before they choose Ornn or Alistar.
I feel like vars is just looking at my most played champs and making the vids for them
its funny that this video came our right as i started picking up ornn. in the top lane im usually playing things like gnar or camille. but i picked up ornn because i wanted to see what he was like and just have a tank in each role that has one (top jungle and support. and in each role, i have ornn, sej, and thresh respectively) and he has been a blast trying to get right. sucks knowing that he has taken such a blow in popularity, but it just means i know he wont be banned or picked from me :)
Since you made the series "Why no one plays anymore" you could also do a sereis "why everyone plays now". A good example is Xin, he was one of the least pickes champions for two years, and after his mini rework in 11.6 he has risen in popularity. Just dropping an idea for content.
I once played a game where I was top laneing against a Kail. My friend knew that Kail was unnstopable in the late game, so he told me to make them recall as much as possible and to not die to them. I proceeded to spam my q to whittle down Kail's HP. They rage quit half way through the game. XD
wait, he really isn't played that much? imo, he's the best tank for top. he can rush a counter build w/o worrying about his dmg since his W does it for him.
although, tanks in general died because of the true dmg meta.
and max health dmg as well with eclipse/sunderer/liandrys etc
He isnt played much but yes he is very good
Sion and Cho beg to differ
Building Ornn 2 sunfire capes as first items gave him immediately almost 150 armor & 500 HP when they where upgraded, AD champions where just tickling you.
As an Ornn main, I think you are correct, I have never played against an Ornn.
I used to exclusively play support when I started playin in season 6. I then started playin mid every once in a while but I only stopped playing support when I started playing Ornn in season 9. Since then, top has been my primary role. The champ is really fun.
Additionally, I played a game the other day with 100k dmg negated (most in game), 40k dmg taken (most on game), 3 deaths (least in game), and 30k dmg dealt (5th most overall)
When i played ornn few weeks ago,used to rush warmog so i could never leave the lane.That was kinda cool,though its very hard to grab money on mythic on lvl 13.
Wow, you summed up very well why I only play Tanks (and kayle). I like to chip the enemy health piece by piece.
I would really apreciate a shield or sustain mechanic trading it for damage, I really like this champ, but it often happens that I get outsustain at times, cause u cant go ravenous or lifesteal, so in the midgame if u go against a sustain lane and they know how to trade by bits, ur done.
8:57 I get the point, but you forgot the strongest marksman item as of right now: Lord Dominik's Regards.
I love playing ornn he’s lots of fun and think that more people should try him out
I think he is broken. Every time i play him (especially clash) I have most damage, cc and take the most damage. I also can make my teammates stronger.
@@Eldex0 or is just in a perfect timing that enemoes are bad.
@@howepellin every game? Nah that champ is damn strong
@@Eldex0 really? Cuz Tanks in my server can just easily be melted by crits and lethality even Ornm.
@@howepellin Well i ban Vayne or fiora every game, but Ornn does not get melted if you play it right. Unfortunately Ornn relys on his team and yeah thats the aprt were i always fail
My boi Ornn is one of those champs you rarely see, but you are happy (or at least no one complains) when it's on your team.
The final fantasy xiii soundtrack in the back is so cool
Ornn has been my current 1st pick top for like 5 months now. I love him
I love playing Ornn. Even though he’s a tank, he does really good damage thank to his W and R, so it doesn’t feel so bad fighting with him.
I remember playing him in jungle once like ages ago. And if his damage is all in now? Maybe we play him as a large assassin sense that's what riot apparently wants.
Well... no, Ornn has a powerful all in especially at level 6 due to being able to get up to 3 brittle procs.
But he's still about Q and W punishes in lane, and he can't be played like an assassin because he's only viable with tank builds, his playstyle beyond landing is just about "all-in" combos, as it always has been.
I wonder why everyone plays morde. If only there was a clear and concise video essay to explain it to me.
Morde passive Go brr, morde ult go more brr
9:34 "An upgraded mythic item doesn't do much on an 0|7 Varus"
Vayne: TRUUUUU :]
It kinda sucks that a whole role as been made mostly useless because of how much pen and true damage riot is giving everyone and thing. Walked in to a fight with 5k hp and 300 armour and didn’t even last 3 seconds.
it's because tanks can also oneshot now. the damage in the game is completely out of hand, tanks should be tanky and adcs/carry champs (azir, ryze, cass) should be the ones dishing out high dps. we're literally in league of oneshots right now and it's disgusting and boring
I love Ornn, I just don’t play top and his play style is still something I need to get used to. Tbh I just don’t have time
"If you want a weapon, here's a weapon. If you want conversation, here's a weapon."
I always love ornns. even if they dont really help in the game and always make me lose, Juicy Juicy item upgrades :)
Ah yes Ornn my main. I love playing him. The personality, the kit and the tankiness.
I guess he just clicked for me and now he is my go to pick in most games unless i want to play something else.
Nothing is more satisfying than beating most popular top picks who think they win lane because ornn builds tank items.
Also rito thx for heartsteel. Now i can have my brittle+heartsteel proc satisfaction.
I play ornn sometimes, and even if he would have 1% winrate, i wouldnt change this, because his voicelines are so good
I used to Main Ornn, but yeah, in Season 11 there is just so much damage - and EARLY game damage - that he's just not viable in Solo Q most of the time. You have to play for the Late Game AND try to keep your Top lane opponent from getting to much of a lead (because frankly, if they're competent they WILL have a lead on you in CS as you back off to avoid taking unnecessary damage/trades in the first 10min or so). So you're likely to be 10-30 CS down at the 10min mark with MAYBE 1 kill (if your opponent or opponent JG is overconfident enough to try to tower dive you while you have E (Tower) W (while they're knocked up) Q (slow them down as they run from Tower) combo ready to go.
Then you have to hope that your team is keeping it close (or outright winning) ... and worst of all, that they will buy Mythics. I don't understand it, but about 10% of the players I play with simply don't build a Mythic. At all. It's not that they don't build one as a first item (I generally don't anymore - I tend to go either Bramble into Warmogs or Bami into Warmogs depending on the situation, then wait to see whether Sunfire or Frostfire will be more useful in that particular game) but that they don't build one AT ALL. Even with 6 items, they don't build a mythic. One of my last games as Ornn I kept on telling an Ekko jungle that I can't upgrade anything but Mythics but he still kept flaming me in Chat for not upgrading him. (Maddening part was that he was dominating the jungle, - was like 15/5/10 with 200 CS - so it wasn't like he was an absolutely moronic player. He knew what he was doing but just couldn't get it through is head that Ornn got changed, and thought I was being a jerk.)
These days I only play Ornn when I'm First Pick and I need a safe blind pick, or if I'm playing with a group of friends who I know will be able to give me early JG support, as even coming up and making my opponent back up for 3-4 waves is enough to keep me viable in the early game. I don't need ganks, but if my opponent THINKS there might be ganks and plays like that, I can get 10-20 more CS than normal and it's a better game overall.
Since i first saw Ornn i liked his design, then free rotation came (some time ago), and I tried him since then im proud Ornn main