Long time PQ watcher here, this is so awesome because I was actually IN this game (the second one) and it was CRAZY! I was the Mainz, I was able to burn down the pomm when they had 999 points, then I blind fired at the subs location after he pinged to win the game, I only had 300 hp left! Wows is often more frustration than fun these days, but this was an EPIC game!
We all appreciate your reviews PQ. As for me, I have limited resources and time to play so watching your reviews is extremely helpful for me in determining what ships to choose for maximum enjoyment. Thank you for what you are doing.
These days, I feel that the gameplay style of hugging an island and going head-on in Stalingrad has become much more challenging than before. When I watch the gameplay videos that are uploaded, it seems like they only showcase special cases where high-risk, high-return strategies succeed, which raises some doubts. However, playing from one side and exposing the broadside doesn't allow for utilizing Stalingrad's strengths like the "hunting-citadel" angles. It might be necessary to reconsider and improve certain aspects of Stalingrad gameplay. If possible, it would be great to see a new gameplay video that addresses these challenges. Particularly, with the increasing use of submarines, going head-on while hugging an island has become quite difficult, which might explain why many of the existing videos feature scenarios without submarines. I always enjoy your videos. Thanks.
the Massachusetts is the only ship i paid cash for, and then it was only due to a freak situation were i got to stack two discounts on one purchase. it cost me all of 8 bucks and worth every penny.
PQ experiencing peak 2023 WoWs gameplay: - Submarines where the counter is just to run away or go behind an island - BBs where the balance was: SHOTGUN dispersion - Protected CLs - Secondary build being sub-par in randoms - Uptiered when playing ANYTHING else than a tier 10 - And yes, matchmaking is proper retarded - CVs that hit you for everything you own (except when you play it, then it is crap)
i have noticed with the new ricochet animation the shells can ricochet into the superstructure and still do damage, i think thats how you killed him with the ricochet
After seeing that ricochet kill, i suddenly remembered the moment yesterday where i citadelled a really angled in Montana with my Yamato even tho i hit his belt ... i only had 3 hits 2 ricochets one cita... Wargaming...
Aiming has just seemed wild lately, I find myself fighting with the mini map when I’m trying to aim with the little circle and it just jumps all over the place.
I've been playing the Flandre in T8 ranked and she does quite well against both the Mass and the Bismark twins. She's fast, stealthy-ish, has good aa and secondaries. Maybe take a look at her in a future video.
hope you can help me here.. i see that you can see all premium ships in your tech tree. i can't see mine anymore. i use modstation, and in there it say under construction... what can i do to see it like you ? I don't know if they did something with massa.. i use to love the ship. now i can't hit a ship not moving at 10 km.. i use to cita alot with her, but not since the last 3 updates or so.. it's really not the ship i played before summer.
Man, those guns were painful to watch. You might want to try Alaska B, which is my favourite. However, we all know how strong that one is. At least that would make for a better experience PQ! Maybe do ranked in that one?
I've found the entire "dreadnought" family of US battleships to be very tanky and difficult to take out. Every ship from the New York through the Vermont will just swallow damage, chew it up, and spit it back out. It's just something about how that line/model of ship is balanced. I did grab the Mass B today and so far it seems like a stronger NC - which makes sense to me. It seems solid, but I guess I need more than 4 or 5 games in it to make a fair judgement.
Sorry to say but Massa is my most played ship. Most krakens, 8 kill high count. Lately… I cannot hit the side of a barn, from the inside with these guns. Something has changed with her. 😢 I miss the old girl.
Leaning more to Vladivostok at Tier VIII. This version of the 16” doesn’t work anymore when uptiered. Vlad the Impaler has much more accuracy and penetration.
Unfortunately it's an American BB, which doesn't get the Aiming Systems Mod 1 in Slot 3. Their 'accuracy' mod comes in Slot 6 with Artillery Plotting Room Mod 2 with 11% accuracy.
If you do not like German BBs accuracy with 1.8 sigma there is no way you will like Massachusetts' 1.6 sigma. The only reason people think Massa's main gun is better is because it has 6 turrets to the front which gives it better pushing firepower than German bbs, and the fast heal that actually allows it to get into brawling range where accuracy means less.
Massa is 1.7 sigma and due to how US 16" work you actually have smaller dispersion ellipse + they over pen less due to lower velocity German 15" at 12km have 1379m x 360m ellipse and 20.5m fuse delay against low armor target US 16"/45 have 1072m x 360m and 17.8m fuse delay
@@arczer2519You are correct that Massa is 1.7 sigma instead of 1.8, but I am not sure where your dispersion number comes from but according to Shiptool German and US have the same dispersion of about 180m x 92m, your number is over 1km, which is way too big considering the ship length of a battleship is about 200-300m
@@lennhsu you need to click on ship and select AP/HE Shells to see the detailed Ellipse 180m x 92m is just base dispersion, actual is based of the shell ballistics
They made BB dispersion vs DD better and worse vs all other types of ships. This and the NC are not what they used to be. Silent nerfs to the sigma that depends on what you are shooting at.
A bit off topic, but the match-making was so horrible for me last night as I was playing the Baltimore. It kept putting me in uptier battles with double subs and a CV and hardly any DDs. I felt so useless since I was constantly getting spotted and forced to kite away and then everything was out of range for me to shoot.
Started playing battleships again after going down several DD and cruiser lines, and even when I get a good result BBs just feel terrible right now. Probably bad luck on my part, but it feels like I'm just along for the ride in a BB rather than directly impacting the game unless I'm in something accurate like a Missouri.
I bought the BF version when it was going away and I'd only been playing two months. If we were only be uptiered by 1 instead of 2, this ship would be way more fun. Most games, I'd prefer the NC because it has so much better accuracy than Mass or AL. I do think it stronger in something like ranked or CB, though.
you should try her her with brisk instead of torpedo vigilance , like that with a speed flag she`s 31+knts when not spotted . makes it easier to use her as an ambusher then and able to run away when needed lol
Honestly, wish it was tier 9 just to get that American dispersion buff. The guns always lack, it's my go to for ranked but it's a ship where you pretty much know the secondaries are your only support.
You complained about the ship in all your vids, but your aiming was abysmal. I play the Massachusetts quite often and you have to aim a little higher for some reason. It's still a good ship.
I have completely stopped plays BB's due to the aiming bug. I honestly don't know what to do anymore. You wait 30secs to completely miss your shot. Its so pathetic this is still an issue 2 years later.
I really hope it's purchasable again on Black Friday, it's my states ship, my localish museum ship and it's just cool so I want it obviously but I got back into WoW too late to be able to buy it for Black Friday so im really hoping they bring it back because Containers are just way too unreliable.
U.S. secondary ships lost a lot of their usefulness after the captain rework. It used to be that the gimmick for American ships was good accuracy but low pen. The German ships had good pen but low accuracy. Now the German ships have both and the American ships only have their old accuracy after the buff kicks in. Really killed the American secondary ships for me.
@@TonyC2328 tier X subs are annoying since your airdrop is only 6km. You have to be lucky (or their sub stupid to be able to use it). One good salvo of a tier X sub and you are able to be 1 shotted by any BB in the game with a reasonable angle. And being focused by a tier X CV sucks. A good torp strike and 1/3 of your ship is gone.
Christ the amount of holding fire only going for the most broadside of broadsides before ever firing. That Pommern would have died if more firing was done rather than ultimate broadside greed only. The induced range bugs with the constant zoom in and out firing
i like that you showcase previous black friday ships, but i dont see the massachusetts comin ever again because of its imbalanced things that you were talking about. same goes to other ships that were permanently removed from the game
this thing has become a fat target for submarines...and i would definitely withdraw from the queue if i saw a sub in it...ive seen subs go str8 for me....and thats when you realize your a sitting duck... yeah you can always head to the middle as subs usually end up on the flank... and if your tier 8 in a tier 10 and do dmage to the 10s like the preusen you get big XP
for me Massachusetts was always that bad, i dont know why some pepople like it. Maybe because its a very resiliant ship, but gunwise its absolute garbage
mass dispersion isnt even good down around and below 10km for every good hit she gets, she gets 5-6 trash hits Like in ops, theres a stationary Myoko that one game, I nuke it for all 32500 dmg at 15km. Next time, Im lucky to hit it......
Subs, CVs, MM, aim bug, +2mm, and retards for team mates have killed the fun for me, after 8 years i can't find the fun anymore, even in some of the best ships, think it is time to quit
They were at 999 points when the Pommern died (37:46). Wow. It doesn't really get closer than that.
Wow
Long time PQ watcher here, this is so awesome because I was actually IN this game (the second one) and it was CRAZY! I was the Mainz, I was able to burn down the pomm when they had 999 points, then I blind fired at the subs location after he pinged to win the game, I only had 300 hp left! Wows is often more frustration than fun these days, but this was an EPIC game!
We all appreciate your reviews PQ. As for me, I have limited resources and time to play so watching your reviews is extremely helpful for me in determining what ships to choose for maximum enjoyment. Thank you for what you are doing.
These days, I feel that the gameplay style of hugging an island and going head-on in Stalingrad has become much more challenging than before. When I watch the gameplay videos that are uploaded, it seems like they only showcase special cases where high-risk, high-return strategies succeed, which raises some doubts. However, playing from one side and exposing the broadside doesn't allow for utilizing Stalingrad's strengths like the "hunting-citadel" angles. It might be necessary to reconsider and improve certain aspects of Stalingrad gameplay. If possible, it would be great to see a new gameplay video that addresses these challenges. Particularly, with the increasing use of submarines, going head-on while hugging an island has become quite difficult, which might explain why many of the existing videos feature scenarios without submarines. I always enjoy your videos. Thanks.
Mass is my go-to for tier 8 ranked and it serves me very well. At shorter ranges it feels an extremely overpowered cruiser.
It’s like a North Carolina (less accurate and less range) with an Atlanta strapped to each side.
I have both Mammies the B is my go to ship. Also I walk her decks every year. It's amazing in person.
the Massachusetts is the only ship i paid cash for, and then it was only due to a freak situation were i got to stack two discounts on one purchase. it cost me all of 8 bucks and worth every penny.
Mass is a great ship. I was never into BB's before - but its kinda relaxing ;)
PQ experiencing peak 2023 WoWs gameplay:
- Submarines where the counter is just to run away or go behind an island
- BBs where the balance was: SHOTGUN dispersion
- Protected CLs
- Secondary build being sub-par in randoms
- Uptiered when playing ANYTHING else than a tier 10
- And yes, matchmaking is proper retarded
- CVs that hit you for everything you own (except when you play it, then it is crap)
i have noticed with the new ricochet animation the shells can ricochet into the superstructure and still do damage, i think thats how you killed him with the ricochet
Funny thing after watching your videos I just open Black Friday container and got the Massachusetts
LOL I luv your commentary. Thanks for the humour.
After seeing that ricochet kill, i suddenly remembered the moment yesterday where i citadelled a really angled in Montana with my Yamato even tho i hit his belt ... i only had 3 hits 2 ricochets one cita...
Wargaming...
Aiming has just seemed wild lately, I find myself fighting with the mini map when I’m trying to aim with the little circle and it just jumps all over the place.
Yep, Mass B is my fav but more recently I'm experiencing the same frustrations.
I've been playing the Flandre in T8 ranked and she does quite well against both the Mass and the Bismark twins. She's fast, stealthy-ish, has good aa and secondaries. Maybe take a look at her in a future video.
I just got this ship from a BF box. Saved up all my doubloons for over a year and decided to gamble. Came out with my most desired ship. Woot!
I still love Massa, but the meta has me off BBs lately :(
i have both regular AND BF Mass, such a neat ship
Is there any workaround for the aiming bug ? It is really annoying
Bro, can you make a video about aiming? When he, when ap, where to aim at broadside and angled ship. We need it :D
Mass reminds me of the old days when the game wasn't so damn passive
It is absolutely insane to me that there are so many premiums today. I remember when the tech tree ships vastly outnumbered them.
hope you can help me here.. i see that you can see all premium ships in your tech tree. i can't see mine anymore. i use modstation, and in there it say under construction... what can i do to see it like you ?
I don't know if they did something with massa.. i use to love the ship. now i can't hit a ship not moving at 10 km.. i use to cita alot with her, but not since the last 3 updates or so.. it's really not the ship i played before summer.
My favorite too…One of the best overall ship in the game.
I picked her up today, i really like her main guns being usable even with full secondary build
Man, those guns were painful to watch. You might want to try Alaska B, which is my favourite. However, we all know how strong that one is. At least that would make for a better experience PQ! Maybe do ranked in that one?
I do remember my Thunderer has really good dispersion, but now days so disappointing
Just got this ship. Been wanting it for a long time. So much fun in Ops
Played this ship just yesterday in a T10 game and was top of board with 4 kills. It's a good ship.
How about Mass on random operations?
I've found the entire "dreadnought" family of US battleships to be very tanky and difficult to take out. Every ship from the New York through the Vermont will just swallow damage, chew it up, and spit it back out. It's just something about how that line/model of ship is balanced.
I did grab the Mass B today and so far it seems like a stronger NC - which makes sense to me. It seems solid, but I guess I need more than 4 or 5 games in it to make a fair judgement.
How is this ship any different from North Carolina?
i love this ship, i run full secondary on it. Starts fires all the time
Does anyone know what the mod is called in the bottom left corner where it shows the enemy ship’s angle compared to yours
Battle expert
it is called Battle Expert in Aslain's WoWs Modpack.
Let me know if you find out too. He’s running a nice mod.
Sorry to say but Massa is my most played ship. Most krakens, 8 kill high count. Lately… I cannot hit the side of a barn, from the inside with these guns. Something has changed with her. 😢
I miss the old girl.
Leaning more to Vladivostok at Tier VIII. This version of the 16” doesn’t work anymore when uptiered. Vlad the Impaler has much more accuracy and penetration.
I took away the commander and equipment from my Massachusetts....the dispersion is killing me..
3:08 You didn't take aiming systems, is that why the aim was off? Maybe try again with Aiming systems?
Unfortunately it's an American BB, which doesn't get the Aiming Systems Mod 1 in Slot 3. Their 'accuracy' mod comes in Slot 6 with Artillery Plotting Room Mod 2 with 11% accuracy.
If you do not like German BBs accuracy with 1.8 sigma there is no way you will like Massachusetts' 1.6 sigma. The only reason people think Massa's main gun is better is because it has 6 turrets to the front which gives it better pushing firepower than German bbs, and the fast heal that actually allows it to get into brawling range where accuracy means less.
Massa is 1.7 sigma and due to how US 16" work you actually have smaller dispersion ellipse + they over pen less due to lower velocity
German 15" at 12km have 1379m x 360m ellipse and 20.5m fuse delay against low armor target
US 16"/45 have 1072m x 360m and 17.8m fuse delay
@@arczer2519You are correct that Massa is 1.7 sigma instead of 1.8, but I am not sure where your dispersion number comes from but according to Shiptool German and US have the same dispersion of about 180m x 92m, your number is over 1km, which is way too big considering the ship length of a battleship is about 200-300m
@@lennhsu you need to click on ship and select AP/HE Shells to see the detailed Ellipse
180m x 92m is just base dispersion, actual is based of the shell ballistics
Don't understand why you wouldn't go for kansas while he was sailing broadside to you for 2 minutes into to A cap at 30:20
This is my problem with tier 8, I feel like I am playing tier 10 about 2/3 the time lately.
They made BB dispersion vs DD better and worse vs all other types of ships. This and the NC are not what they used to be. Silent nerfs to the sigma that depends on what you are shooting at.
A bit off topic, but the match-making was so horrible for me last night as I was playing the Baltimore. It kept putting me in uptier battles with double subs and a CV and hardly any DDs. I felt so useless since I was constantly getting spotted and forced to kite away and then everything was out of range for me to shoot.
Started playing battleships again after going down several DD and cruiser lines, and even when I get a good result BBs just feel terrible right now. Probably bad luck on my part, but it feels like I'm just along for the ride in a BB rather than directly impacting the game unless I'm in something accurate like a Missouri.
I'd like to see Tirpitz B next.
Isnt it just the regular tirpitz but black?
@@jebes909090 yep
It looked to me like you weren’t leading enough in many of your salvos.
RNG said F you tonight! Lol. I like the Massy B.
I bought the BF version when it was going away and I'd only been playing two months. If we were only be uptiered by 1 instead of 2, this ship would be way more fun. Most games, I'd prefer the NC because it has so much better accuracy than Mass or AL. I do think it stronger in something like ranked or CB, though.
NC being buffed has made her a little more interesting again.
shes still a beautiful boat .. one of my highest winrate ships .. 67ish % .. all ive noticed is power creep and more variation in RNG .. 07 PQ
you should try her her with brisk instead of torpedo vigilance , like that with a speed flag she`s 31+knts when not spotted . makes it easier to use her as an ambusher then and able to run away when needed lol
Massachusetts is truly a ship in World of Warships.
Honestly, wish it was tier 9 just to get that American dispersion buff. The guns always lack, it's my go to for ranked but it's a ship where you pretty much know the secondaries are your only support.
I’m also finding that I’m playing DDs most often now
You complained about the ship in all your vids, but your aiming was abysmal. I play the Massachusetts quite often and you have to aim a little higher for some reason. It's still a good ship.
This thing is a beast in ops. There’s nothing worse than island humping HE spammers.
I have no luck with the dispersion there’s game where it hits and most games where the dispersion is like a shotgun
I have completely stopped plays BB's due to the aiming bug. I honestly don't know what to do anymore. You wait 30secs to completely miss your shot. Its so pathetic this is still an issue 2 years later.
I really hope it's purchasable again on Black Friday, it's my states ship, my localish museum ship and it's just cool so I want it obviously but I got back into WoW too late to be able to buy it for Black Friday so im really hoping they bring it back because Containers are just way too unreliable.
If you haven't checked in - it's up for purchase. I just got it, but it's gonna run you about $38 worth of doubloons.
Bro Plz recommend me tier 6 battleship
I hope I can buy it on Black Friday.
U.S. secondary ships lost a lot of their usefulness after the captain rework. It used to be that the gimmick for American ships was good accuracy but low pen. The German ships had good pen but low accuracy. Now the German ships have both and the American ships only have their old accuracy after the buff kicks in. Really killed the American secondary ships for me.
I love this ship even when I'm tiered up against t10
This is why I don’t use my T8 anymore. I only get matches against T10s. So, I just take my T10 since I’ll be fighting T10s anyways.
Massa is fine. You scored over 125k on the majority of the matches you aired. Massa did fine. Nostalgia biases our perception sometimes.
I love that ship, pity you are so often up tiered in it.
T8 Premiums are almost worthless for Randoms because of that. However, there is still Ranked for them to shine at.
Getting up tiered usually sucks, but in this ship I don't care lol
@@TonyC2328 tier X subs are annoying since your airdrop is only 6km. You have to be lucky (or their sub stupid to be able to use it). One good salvo of a tier X sub and you are able to be 1 shotted by any BB in the game with a reasonable angle.
And being focused by a tier X CV sucks. A good torp strike and 1/3 of your ship is gone.
I want to see the BF Jeane B.
I got one box with the currency I got for free and guess what. I got the Mass Black. Can't complain
Friendly negato in the last game contributed nothing to the round. Absolutely infuriating.
I want to buy it, but that dispersion... jesus.
If you do not have all day to show us a good game with it, I do not have all day to get a good game with it!
Christ the amount of holding fire only going for the most broadside of broadsides before ever firing. That Pommern would have died if more firing was done rather than ultimate broadside greed only. The induced range bugs with the constant zoom in and out firing
i like that you showcase previous black friday ships, but i dont see the massachusetts comin ever again because of its imbalanced things that you were talking about. same goes to other ships that were permanently removed from the game
They have always come back
I watched this video just now and Im glad that I didnt buy the Massa B on this black Friday event xD
Napoli B allways fun
AMAGI please Sir? 💪🥃
The qame is in the toilet, the only accurate ships are a few Russian ships, some cruisers , and super ships.
I think they quietly nerf some ships.
this thing has become a fat target for submarines...and i would definitely withdraw from the queue if i saw a sub in it...ive seen subs go str8 for me....and thats when you realize your a sitting duck... yeah you can always head to the middle as subs usually end up on the flank... and if your tier 8 in a tier 10 and do dmage to the 10s like the preusen you get big XP
So Kaga next? Come to the dark side :-D
Why play this over a North Carolina?
Secondaries and fast heal
If you are unable to get 150K with the Mass I will stay with my German BBs!
There is 100% something wrong with This ship! It used to be sooo much better! So much more reliable. Not anymore
26 mm to 21 mm secondaries for starters, terrible ASW range 5KM is a joke and I find the main guns are inaccurate
for me Massachusetts was always that bad, i dont know why some pepople like it.
Maybe because its a very resiliant ship, but gunwise its absolute garbage
Seems like the aiming system is getting away from WG. Having to buff allegedly accurate ships like NC. Kremlin is almost unplayable now.
Warspite plz!
real
Massachusetts is bad at being bad 😂 impossible to citadel, hard hitting guns and decent secondaries. Even a potato can kick ass with it 😁
"97k is not a good match"... idk, at my skill level i consider 97k a pretty decent match lol
It still plays the same. Just power crept a but. But it played fine. Your expectations too high
mass dispersion isnt even good down around and below 10km
for every good hit she gets, she gets 5-6 trash hits
Like in ops, theres a stationary Myoko that one game, I nuke it for all 32500 dmg at 15km. Next time, Im lucky to hit it......
I think your rusty with its shell's. Play a few more games and youl'll be more performance.
Subs, CVs, MM, aim bug, +2mm, and retards for team mates have killed the fun for me, after 8 years i can't find the fun anymore, even in some of the best ships, think it is time to quit
challenge impossible: make 1 video without complaining about the aiming system
Game is broken for sure
games just a joke now.. my recommendation is to play anything that doesn't have" world of" in it
Argh
first comment hehe
It used to be good. . . then subs came.