The Teutons - AoE2 vs History
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- How historically accurate are civilizations in Age of Empires 2? In this video, I'll talk about the inspiration for the Teutons(bonuses, unique unit, techs), and how they relate to the Holy Roman Empire and the Teutonic Order.
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Game: Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition, with Forgotten Empires, African Kingdoms, Rise the Rajas, and Last Khans expansions - Ігри
Why are their unique units so slow?
Because their armor weighs teu-tons
Noice
*slow claps*
I hate that this made me laugh
because not on horseback
Because: In der Ruhe liegt die Kraft.
Teutons : "Lalala, we can't hear you"
Lithuanians : "Leitis be a lesson for you"
''You are dead, not big suprise!''
Ah ha!
Spirit is basically:
A Historian
A Physicist
A Mathematician
A Musician
A Comedian
what a resume..
that he probably wont use cuz hes doing youtube
JetStar 23 it's confirmed; Spirit of the law is Johnny S.
Patreon gang where you at
And a games
Include some law studies there, "spirit of the law" is a legal/philosophical term regarding the intent of those who write a law
A Gamer
A UA-camr
Last time I was this early, Barbarossa wasn't even in a barrel
yet
That's quite the pickle...
too soon
Salty
Spolier alert
@@kinbine_ its been like 800 years
Everyone asks "Who are the Teutons?"
but no one asks "How are the Teutons?"
🥺🥺🥺
My steam username is 99teutons and this made me cry
ill do you one better "Why are the Teutons?"
When are the Teutons? Technically long before when AoE2 is set.
Nobody cares about jow christianity's equivalent to extremist jihadists are doing.
Not well, I can tell you that much.
Lovely video :3 Some comments/corrections (from a german history student):
- Napoleon didn't dissolve the Holy Roman Empire. Kaiser/Emperor Franz II./I. dissolved it 1806, in fear Napoleon could get elected the next emperor. There was basically no legal base to do that, but after the Reichsdeputationshauptschluss (no, I will most certainly not try to translate that one) the empire was dead in its core anyway
- The order of teutonic knights had no direct tie to the Holy Roman Empire. They were however heavily funded by the "Staufern", Barbarossas family who reigned over the empire in high medieval times. So while the Johanniter and Templers were more connected to France, Italy and the Pope, the teutonic knights were in fact "german", even though they never had a rule that only germans could join the order. Funfact: From the three major crusader-orders, the teutonic knights were the only one "surviving" after the crusades, since they found a new calling in conquering the east, even though they failed in their mission.
- The teutonic knights were defeated in the east eventually. They converted their territory into an Herzogtum (can't remember the english word...duchery?) called Prussia/Preußen. Later this would be one of the main/base territories of the kingdom of Prussia, which in the end accomplished the unification of germany. So, in a way, the teutonic knights translated into the founding of Germany.
- The conversion resistence of the teutons could also be attributed to the multiple instances they got into a fight with the catholic church. The "Investiturstreit" was one of the major incidents in the medieval age in direct connection to the german king Heinrich/Henry IV. and the pope Gregor VII. Later on, the final break of the catholic church would also start from germany with Martin Luther
- Even though it was never as unified as France for example, the Holy Roman Empire wasn't entirely useless and/or powerless. Though after Friedrich II. (Barbarossas grandson) the role of the emperor was heavily weakened, it would take until the 18th century for him to become irrelevant. In that time period, some of the german states (like Prussia or Saxony) became to powerful to be contained by the Kaiser, who only held the title for political and traditional reason, since the reigning family of Habsburg(-Lothering) was in itself stronger than the Empire.
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Herzogtum would indeed translate as "duchy" in English.
Unrelated Q, why is it called "Germans" in English, not following the original word, "Deutsche"?
@@Sovetskyz Basically every country in europe has a different name for germany, probably depending on which germanic tribe they encountered first. For example in french it is "Allemagne", coming from the german tribe of the "Alemannen".
Also "Deutsche" (or "Teutsche" originally) isn't as old as "germans". It took a long time for the germans to call themselves "Deutsche", originally they just named themselves after their respective tribe.
@@Sovetskyz What germans are called in different languages depends on the specific tribe name, that were picked as a general term for all germans. The english "german" is probably following the classical latin terminology of calling all people in that region "germanes". The french and turkish refer to the Alemannic tribes (Allemagne/Almanya), while the finns for example refer to all germans ans "saksi" (Saxons)
Fun fact: Most slavic languages use something derived from the slavic root "njemez", which roughly means "people, who don't speak our language)
And slight correction @Otto Karl: The Knight's Hospitaller/Knights of St. John did actually outlife the Teutonic Order, since they kept their independent state on Rhodes and Malta till Napoleon conquered the island.
(Note: Both the Knights of St. John as well as the Teutonic order still exist as demilitarized, purely religious orders.)
"The Black Forest is actually in Germany"
AoE Fans rushing there to get a 2v2 real life AoE match going there
One thing to note about the whole "Holy Roman Empire was neither Holy, Roman, nor an Empire" joke. It's really came about from a misunderstanding from English historians, as the German word for Roman, "römisches" has two meanings, either literally Roman, or like Rome. The latter applies in this case as the Holy Roman Empire was designed to emulate Rome's government. Also the German word for empire, "Reich" can also translate to "Realm". Lastly, the Holy Roman Empire was "Holy" because the emperor had to be crowned by the Pope.
So you could say the Holy Roman Empire was "The Roman-like Realm sanctified by the Pope".
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It's the English Historians fault
Someone should let the germans know, so they can stop invading france & trying to reform the Empire. They just don't understand their own language!
Unless I imagined the golden eagles and swastikas... Did Napoleon misunderstand french too? Is l'empereur actually french for 'elected democratic peacekeeper?'
=p I tease. Rome 2.0, claim to be its successor are all still rolled up there regardless how you spin it, an empire is a group of kingdoms lead by a monarch, it was a true Empire regardless of the German used. Holy is to differentiate it from the orthodox Roman Empire (now called Byzantine Empire).
Sadly, the RRsbtP doesn't sound as cool as the HRE
When I read about the Fall of Constantinopole of 1453, I heard that at that time the idea of "Roman empire" in the minds of people was more about the true empire of christianity. This idea is derived from the times of Constantine the Great, who converted the Roman Empire in christian faith. Hereby, the "Roman Empire" was meant to be the "one and only", uniting the world, and the roman emperor - some kind of a steward over the earth kingdom, blessed by God. At least that's what byzantines thought about the subject, as they continued calling themselves romans until the very end. Even if the empire didn't rule over the whole world, it could be considered a temporary state of affairs. Probably holy roman emperors claimed something similar for themselves, at least on paper.
P. S. The term "Byzantine empire" was created only after its' fall, it wasn't called like that before by anyone.
Greetings from the city of Aachen just one Kilometer from the former British Wonder :)
And to you from Mainz
Capital of the Holy Roman empire
Same Bro. Also in Aachen.
Any One knows why they choose monastery of maria laach for teutons wonder?
Nice place to visit and just one hour driving from my home
@@obscuritas8945 it's a really good example of the architecture of that time I feel like but not sure...
You mentioned the Goths...
We NEED an AoE 2 vs History for them. Did they really wear kevlar armor? Did they really not know how to build stone walls? And could they really wrestle a boar to death?
Actually the heavy cavalry of the Goths stomped the Roman Legions to the ground in the Battle of Adrianople. No Kevlar-Huskarls there :D
Funny enough a great deal of their troops were mounted including their elite troops lead by mounted chieftains&their retinue...
kevlar isnt rly good againt arrows ...
TheAtherion any sources? I’m not trying to one-up you, I actually want to see some tests of that
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 UA-cam is full of gems
Two addtions from a german:
1st: When I visited my sister in the black forest (or in german Schwarzwald), I actually notice that the trees are very tall and stand very close to each other. Actually makes me wondering how the Britons actually gonna shot their arrows their. :D
2nd: 10:47 Actually it is not just an iconic symbol, but also still our official coat of arms (in a mordern version). :D
What you can see at the picture, is the eagle in our parliament. Although it represents the german eagle, we actually call it The Fat Hen - Die fette Henne - The Fat Chicken. Because that eagle definetely put on some weigth. :D
The modern chubby eagle is a lot of fun, it's in a similar vein as the jokes that the gold on the German flag represents beer. Similarly the eagle has had a few curry wursts :D
@@hedgehog3180 So you agree, that it is the... wurst german eagle?
I love Germany!
I know the fat hen as Pleitegeier, but oh well, either way it is great fun making jokes of the now cartoonish looking eagle ^^
Actually I believe the Fat eagle in the Bundestag today was designed that way to show that Germany had become a less militaristic country after WWII.
9:36 A german here with a note: Black forest got translated to "dunkler Wald" ("dark forest") instead of "Schwarzwald".
Deutsche Sprache schwere Sprache!
Same in russian. It's called "dark forest" too ("Темный лес").
In Romania we call it "Pădurea Neagră", which is Black Forest.
Yes, but in the map description (in the lower right corner when you select the map before starting the game) it is actually called Schwarzwald - at least in the old CD-Version. So somehow that was translated inconsistently back then and unfortunately it is stuck with Dunkler Wald now.
In Spanish is translated as "Selva Negra" (Black Jungle) instead of "Bosque Negro" (Black Forest)
The Bohemians War Wagons are also shown in Age of Empires 3 as the German Unique Unit, the War Wagon.
Why? Bohemians were mostly czechs.
@@shadowguardian3612 because there are only 8 European factions in Age3, due to the timeframe the developers mostly chose Colonial powers, with exceptions like the Germany faction representing Eastern Europe (but not Russia).
@@shadowguardian3612 Ao3 was pretty out there with the German units, the Cavalry equivalent to the Hussar for them are Ulans, which were actually Polish light cavalry, but I guess both count because the majority of Poland and all of Czechia were German controlled back then.
@@shadowguardian3612 Bohemians and Czechs are synonym. While Bohemians is exonym (comes from Latin and is derived from the celtic tribe Boii), Czechs is endonym.
@@colombodoesstuff7653 They are not. Bohemia was inhibited by Germans and Czechs - together called Bohemians. Czech is ethnicity (today nationality), Bohemian means inhabitant of Bohemia (as a land)
The Holy Roman Empire is the perfect setting for medieval series, as you have way too many players, alliances, or shifting balances of power in one area to really offend someone over historical inaccuracies unless they specifically studied that region.
I still don't quite understand how the Holy Roman Empire survived. You'd think other neighboring countries would be able to turn the city states against each other and slowly conquer the Empire.
@@greywolf7577 That's the thing. Who would want to? It's a rabble of city states who aligned themselves with the pope, and have way too unpredictable internal politics to bother with. There are no critical resources there in the medieval period, no vast streches of fields for farmland (forested mountains most of the time), and the risk of being target number one of every city state there, as well as half of europe is way too high.
@@greywolf7577 The empire was the most powerful european state from it's founding until atleast the reign of Friedrich II. who alone ended a crussade just by negotiating. After the reign of the Staufen Dynasty I would say begins the slow downfall of the empire.
But although the empire was not really unified regarding inner politics, it was united if it was necessary to defend against foreign threats. This only changed with the reformation and the thirty years war (1618-1648)
6:59 You can see the might of the Teutonic Knight as he single-handedly rams through a house and destroys it. Such fearsome warriors.
Finally, this video is just what i wanted, an explanation for their armour stat.
they were romanticized, stories tell of knight who were invulnerable to damage
@@catrielmarignaclionti4518 *P L A T E A R M O U R*
When you're rich enough to go to crusade towards Jerusalem by land, which most likely is a campaign taking several years without losing your livelihood, you're rich. Rich people who like being alive have handtailored fully body metal armor to wear in battle.
Also the teuton order conquered the prussian lands with few or no levy/auxiliary troops. They reside in their castles, unassailable, and when they ride out, every single member of their army would be equipped with metal armour and other high quality equipment. Because those who can't afford armour stay in the friggin castle.
@@lagg1e Not all crusade's involved the rich. For example, there was even a "Peasant's Crusade". And even the more organized armies that travelled there weren't composed of just aristocrats and knights, though they were led by them. Suffice to say, dying in the Holy Land was a powerful draw. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Crusade
@@felipevillalba9311 Pretty sure the Teutonic Order predates the first full plate armor invented. (which btw, the Champions are clearly wearing, so why are they actually worse?) XD
Fun fact: one teutonic soldier had on helmet cooked sausages. Loved the vid
that's so weird. why would he do that? it will rot in the time it takes to march
@@terner1234 That's a personally upgrade of this person. It's an individual style. And no that was not a real sauage. It was made from strew, leather or wood.
It's like a form of ancient brand.
Germans and their sausages
@@stalwartarjuna of course.^^ Every man has a sausage. (i know it, because women love it!) XD
That's so German
I almost thought you wouldn't continue this series, glad it is still alive!
Would love to see Ethiopians, Khmer, Japanese or Celts next.
I'd be very interested to hear the historical reasoning behind instant farm collection for the Khmer.
Medieval Knights with their fantasy helmets were memers, before memes were invented :O
1:26 I think the most accepted theory is that it is a transcription error confusing the word for resetteled (which was a common practice to rule in new vassals at the time) with executed, since in latin they are both very similair.
Is it too soon to consider that hilarious?
Nice video - as always. Just some notes:
1. Lack of light calvary upgrade can be tied to this that medieval German army lacked light calvary on their own. Especially during early period during Ludolfings they got poor scout abilities and focus mostly entariely on heavy calvary units. It is especially seen at battle of Cotrone in 972 or during Polish-German war 1015-1018.
2. I think when u said about units resist conversions u should also say about how many times Charles the Great went to Saxony to conquer it - it was 18 raids during 772-804 period known as Saxon Wars.
3. Saying about uncordinate armies... especially in early medieval they were known for high discipline and quiet good coordination. Problem is counting whole Germany as one state until 1867. Actually many states during medieval times were divided on many smaller states, like Russia, Poland, Norway, Italy, Switzerland, Spain and so on. When country is divided on smaller states ruled by different rulers it is hard to talking about one army.
4. Genoese crossbowmen fought as mercenaries in most medieval Europe. They are more known to be used by French, example battle of Crecy or battle of Sluis.
5. Lithuania was actually in most part christianised in 14th century - only they motherland was mostly pagans. Teutonic Order was attacking Lithuania cause its lands divided territories of Teutonic Order.
8:21 that's actually not a mermaid but the goddess Venus. And this illustration is supposed to depict Ulrich von Liechtenstein, one of many knights and ministerials of that era who became famous poets and singers.
Hey I know him. He won a jousting tourney or two
Dalton v Is that the Knights tale?
Isnt that the guy who once send a lady one of his fingers to proove that he did not lose it ina tournament?
Teutons are monk, therefore, they had their own monasteries with farms to make beer and other goods like cheese.
You seem to have forgotten the most historically accurate fact: Teutonic knights could only shout "take back the Holy Land" during any and all conversations.
-"Who are the Teutons?"
-*click unit*
->"JA! ZERSTÜRME!!!"
- Oh ja! Ich weiss who das isss!
The Teutons are always an interesting civilization. They have that well known campaign of their own and we fight against them in the Saladin campaign. The upgraded teutonic knight is the only unit that can defeat mamlukes, but the sarecens have full technology tree archery range.
About the Teutonic ornamented helmets: there's an accademic paper, amongst others, by Cliff Repicky providing strong evidences (written accounts, archeology and representations) that Teutonic knights not only used them, but were highly incentivized to wear them during campaigns and battles, as a matter of intimidation (the crest themselves were only a very light fraction of the weight of the actual great helm i.e. artifacts from Malbork. Inventories and rules mention them and how they should be worn and used commonly by the knights for such purposes.
Mistaking them for the Crusaders when I was a kid made me love them. Now that I play Total War Medieval II I love them even more.
But they are Crussaders. The wars against the pagans of the Baltic were called Northern Crussades and were legitimized by the pope. Besides they also fought in the Holy Land.
And they fought for Jerusalem and in Akkon.
Even though they were weakly at the time.
So they are Crusaders.
2:43 - Holy pizza dropped from the eleventh floor, Batman.
yep
I love the vs History series, it really interesting with all the nuggets of historical information we get and it really drives me to do some research of my own (tho I rarely end up doing any). Thanks for theese, they are really enjoyable
I really like these videos and appreciate that it may take more effort than your usual content but I really want to see it continue.
Loving these history+AoE vids, keep it up and thanks for your work SotL!
hope you keep doing this series. This is very cool to watch whenever i have free time, especially in this lockdown situation. I feel like a nerd who absolutely didn't miss any history class back in high school.
Splendid!
Enjoyed every single minute of it! Thank you!
Hope to see more of these comparisons, Spirit...
Please Make more of these Spirit! I absolutely love them!
Hey Spirit, German History student here. I just wanted to add to the part of the HRE's elective monarchy that the main Reason why it never had one ruling dynasty was that most dynastys died out after 69 Kings (6 Carolings, 6 Liudolfinger, 7 Saliens, 9 Staufer). At the Point where the ruling dynasty was the Habsburgs, who always had an heir at the ready, the stayed in Power until the Prussians beat them in the second war of German Unification. Everything else about the history of the HRE was greatly resarched. Keep what you'r doing mate, your videos are great! Chers from the Kaiserstadt Aachen!
As a Teuton main, this video makes me very happy.
Spirit of the law, you always come up with great ideas for your videos. Thanks !
These may be my favourite series.
Also I appreciate all the work you put into these!
Just one of your videos is worth a week of T90 streams.
Hey Spirit, i love this kinda series. Keep it up and cover it all!
Absolutely loved the video. I think it was very well done and researched. Looking forward to the series!
I think it's so interesting that they had some form of democracy all through the medieval ages.... something not that well known.
I Loved this video, some days ago i was Actually Investigating about Their History, and this is Such a Good Resume of Everything Thanks Spirit!
I wish the teutons would get the teutonic horsemen from the DoTD DLC as a knight reskin. they just fit perfectly
Love this! Your mathy videos are great, but as a history buff (probably inspired by this game) I hope you continue this series. Appreciate the hard work that goes into your vids; would be great to see your take on mongols or britons, and as always, thanks for the great content!
This was great! Please do more of this series.
it is my understanding that napoleon didnt actually dissolve the HRE, though his actions led to that but it was the HRE emperor who was also the emperor of austria who did that
Yes that's correct. But he only became Emperor of Austria after dissolving the HRE. Because he wanted to keep the title of Emperor he just renamed Austria from "Archduchy Austria" to "Empire of Austria"
@@randomdude2026 Actually the Austrian Empire was found in 1804, it was more like a reflexion to Napoleon's title Emperor of France.
Great video! Would love to see more like this about the other civilizations!
Absolutely fantastic video, as always.
Maybe, If you want to make a collab video in the future, you should make one with Overly Sarcastic Productions, since they talk about history and you have the high ground in AOE
Hey Spirit! Im loving these man!
Just wanted to say I studied History and would be happy to help with research if you need hands when doing more of these! Please let me know, and keep of the great work!
More Aoe Vs History!!! :D
Your videos are amazing SotL keep up the good work. We love you
I'm a big fan of the Khmer Empire, and am quite knowledgeable about it and have done a lot of research into them myself, so feel free to hit me up when you're working on the episode on the Khmer!
I appreciate the hard work you put into this. Thank you
I love these, can't wait for more historical comparisons!
Really cool and interesting video, I'd love to see more of this type of vids.
Really thanks you SOTL! your job is amazing!!! keep it up
We need more of this. The best series on the channel imo
About time, Spirit ÒwÓ Really wanted to watch another Game vs History video!
Man, I really liked this series and it's back!
More educational videos with games is always gud
This is so interesting, please do something like this more!
Hi Spirit, this series gonna be fun. Can’t wait to watch Chinese.
Also, civ review needs updates from about 2 years ago emmm.
I really like these historical videos, keep them up
(5:50) - The scout line stopping right there is probably for balance purposes with better armour in the Castle & Imperial ages, but maybe also I think because they often were so confident in their victory WHEN they were ahead that lack of scouting often lead to their demise.
Brilliant series, can't wait for the next!
These kind of videos are really interesting!
Your channel is gold, thank you
I love these historical videos. That being said, would you please do a Teutons update vid, since they've gotten a lot better since your last overview
Eh not really
Great video! Hoping to see more AOE vs history videos soon
Love this series. But every Video you make is fascinating
love this channel so much!!
I watched 3 different documentaries on this.. and I was absolutely amazed on how the Teutonic Knights were formed.
I love these videos. I'd like to see a steppe civ for the next one!
Awesome. Thanks to you and CommentX for the interesting content.
"SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS"
-definitely Karl Franz
This guy gets it
Now I feel like dedusting Halberds Muskets and Priests with overgrown hammers.
Hey Spirit - love your work. Any more from this series incoming?
Great job! Educative and fun to watch!
I truly love this series and can't wait for more!
I love your history lessons tied into AOE. Thanks SOTL
Amazing - just yesterday I thought top myself "Huh, SotL hasn't done of those history videos in a while, those were fun!"
And here we go, cool! Can't wait to see more of those!
Greetings from Germany!
no joke, I was thinking when will Spirit make a new history related video and guess what appears on my suggested videos. Thanks, man. How about next time a civ, which is less known - the Berbrs?
Great job guys I really enjoyed it!
Teuton overview next? Pretty excited 😇😇
Moreover they have eagles on coat of arms but not in tech tree, something historically inaccurate.
It would be fun to give Teutons Eagle Scouts (only this unit in the line). The extra armor in by Teuton bonus is a nice replacement for extra pierce armor by following upgrades. Again the theme, slow but unstoppable.
Love your stuff!
Awesome content! Thx SOTL & TheCommentX!
Great video.
Hope you'll do campaign vs. History to
Loved this. Can't wait for the next civilization history
Ok, this was great, you have earned a sub.
Hey! Nice vid, as always. I was thinking in something I really need to see.. an AoE2 DE Olympics. You know what I mean.. different categories for the 3 biggest groups: cavalry, arrows and infantry. If you wish we can skip navy. I think you've the resources and it would be a great video for you. Thanks for all!
I just love these videos!
I approve of this new dimension to your content, even with its lack of eye-watering statistical analysis
Great video! Thank you!
I just missed some explanation of the campaign (especially the dead-in-a-barrel part). Will there be a video about that too?
Can't tell you if they really transported him in a barrel. But basically Barbarossas remains were seperated and buried all over the the Holy Land (some parts in Antioch, some in Tyrus etc.)
Dunno if that answers your question
I saw on the HC3-stream that one of the funfacts was that the emperror in a barrel is a fictional character. Don't remember the detalils.
Thanks guys. What I just read is they applied a method "Mos teutonicus" (nice name!) to separate the bones so they could transport these more easily, but as you pointed out where they ended is not clear
I remember the good ole days of OG AOE2 spending hours on the map editor creating waves of Teutons because of how OP I thought they were as a kid lol
hey another one! keep doing these :)
Unified Germany: a complete fantasy until 1867.
Same for Italy: until 1861
Err... Germany united in 1871
You mean 1990
nice video man keep it up
really nice vidéo, please, we need more
More of thissss Spirit ❤️
The reduced farm cost could be explained quite well historically by the numerous times (starting in the high Middle Ages and continuing into the early modern period) when German farmers were invited to parts of Eastern Europe to introduce more advanced farming methods (and in some cases settle depopulated regions). The most prominent example of this happening in the Middle Ages would be Silesia from the middle of the 13th century onwards (following the Mongolian invasion in 1241). This is also part of the reason why at the start of the 20th century there were German communities throughout eastern Europe.
These are fantastic and could be twice or three times as long and detailed and I'd watch.
I am really digging this format. Of course I'm bias for my favorite civ :D