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Yeah, most Nintendo games have been doing this since 3DS. Gyro aim is no joke.
As someone who has used it, it is _way_ worse than this.
Edit: someone kindly reminded me to use nouns so here is what i meant to say: the wiis tracking is, to put it mildly, inferior to the solution presented in the video.
@@eagle-from-aut can you use some nouns in that sentence? As someone who has used this software it is way worse than Nintendo's gyro? As someone who has used Nintendo's gyro it is way worse than this software?
Technically the Wii
i mean your name says it all. ill take your word.
Did Nintendo ever add offline save backups?
Friendly reminder that Steam has its own controller configuration driver, Steam Input has a lot of features including gyro support for DS4, Switch Pro and most controllers, not just Steam Controller the driver originally intended for.
You should review the Steam Input, Linus.
Steam controller is trash & horrible to use, especially if you go from one game to the next. There's a reason it's dead.
@@Sommitps They're talking about Steam Input, the configuration system. Also Steam Controllers are great.
The Steam overlay has ridiculously deep options. It's so good. I hate that they are dropping production of the steam controller instead of continuing to iterate.
I have came here for the same reason. I love my steam controller and I would say it's even better than dualshock. 'cause mouse pad. It's so sad that LTT rewied the steam controller and said "Yeah, this exists, whatever" and now this video. It should be about steam input and apologize about the SC.
@@Sommitps Thankfully they were talking about Steam Input then! Did you even read their comment lol
Step 1: Open Steam
Step 2: Open the Settings
Step 3: Navigate to Controller
Step 4: Activate Support for your Favorit Controller
Step 5: Connect Controller (Wireless or Wired)
Step 6: Load Config (can be modified) or create your own.
Step 7: Start game and enjoy
Once configured, it works every time and reconnecting a Controller is Just making Sure Steam is running and connecting the Controller. If you configured the Desktop-Config it works with every Game/Software Not only Steam-Games. Steam Just has to Run in the Background.
There was also a driver for DS4 windows that did some stuff, don't remember if to this extend tho
I've been using a DS4 with my PC through Steam for years now and it's fantastic
On some games steam needs to have admin first before you boot them up. So just start in bootstrap
You lost me at step 1 lol
You can also easily set the gyro to simulate analog or mouse input through Steam's ds4 support, and there are a lot of options to tune it to your liking.
They didn't really explain why anyone would use this over Steam's built in support
Steam controller FTW.
Linus: Gyro is surprisingly good.
Splatoon players: YES!
Woomy!
the most overlooked control, camera reset.
@@Kuzekun Veemo!
@@planet9964 actually, games with native steam input support have this. I do it left 4 dead 2. I press y to recenter and it's so handy because my switch pro controllers gyro drifts ever so slightly
Plus BOTW had this as well for aiming. I'm honestly surprised that they seem so shocked by the feature.
Wait a second, are we forgetting that the Steam configuration software also has this functionality? Not to mention the Steam Controller?
Does it work for games with no controller support?
@@Jamato-sUn Yep. It shows up to games as a mouse, if you have one or more input configured to behave like a mouse, and the same for configuring inputs to behave like a keyboard.
Nerrel just made a video a bout this.
Thanks for the information. I'm a Sony Fanboy, so I have zero experience using steam.
About the controller. Linus says he chose Dualshock4 because it was a 250 hertz refresh rate, compared to wii's 60 times per second. I don't know if the Steam Controller even has a 3D axis motion sensors to begin with.
@@fhm4 it does
If a controller has a feature in steam input it's because it's emulating the steam controller
The Steam Controller died for this.
srsly though.. the Steam Controller had this as one of its big features, and Steam even allows you to use it with a Nintendo Pro Controller or DualShock 4.
This is specifically about Flick stick, which you can't really use with the Steam controller because, you know, it lacks a secondary stick
@@PsypherWolf You could probably program the same function into the right pad. I still don't see how this is better than a steam controller, and as the person above said, Steam can program controllers into a dualshock4.
@Soniku Raharu Tell me how, exactly, you can do the same thing as Flick stick with the Steam software, as in step by step, I'll wait.
U can use steam software for macro on controller
JoyShockMapper has Flick Stick and a Gyro Off Button which are absolutely game changing, at least for me :) I tried it, compared it to Steam's solution, and I'm not going back. Linus unfortunately didn't stress this enough.
DS4Windows has been doing this for ages, in a much more simple to use way to boot. And that's beside Steam Controller doing this for 5 years now, and this being on Nintendo games like Splatoon and BOTW.
DS4 windows uses gyro controls?
@@multikillerpro1 it can be an option i believe
The Point especaly is that the both of these software are better in any aspect. especaly the Steam Controller configiration software is like 10x better than anythign else and supports all controllers.
I'm using the new Ds4Windows from ryochan, it has gyro steering setting , I'm able to play Assetto Corsa with it using my DS4 it's pretty amazing.
@@multikillerpro1 it does.
Remember when everyone was hammering on Splatoon for having Gyro Aiming?
Good times.
when they added analog stick aiming to spatoon I was like finally but then I tried and realized how much worse it was
You really have to try it to judge it.
@@SamFromItalia standard dual analog only works for shooters bc of aimbot. Splatoon lacks aimbot so that’s why standard dual analog (no gyro) it feels so bad.
@@chan13153 bruh, that was my point. dual analog only works because of aimbot YOU HAVE TO CHEAT for it to work
@@chan13153 aim assist isn't aim bot buddy, its aim slowdown only when your crosshair touches the target. Although I agree with you, just had to clear up that discrepancy
This is exactly how the Steam Controller has worked for years, they have an easily understood UI as well. And if I'm not mistaken it supports DualShock 4
yep, Supports DualShock 4, Switch Pro Controllers as well.
Yeah, I was a bit disappointed Steam input wasn't mentioned at all in the vid. I think Steam has mentioned interest in supporting joyshockmapper functionality tho.
I saw the first 10 seconds of the video and came to comment this. Steam supports this for a bunch of controllers you don't need some random software for it.
This is fair, but this new software allows you to use it without Steam for non Steam games as well. It tricks your computer into believing it is a mouse and keyboard so you can use it for everything without the need of Steam.
It does and it supports both the dual shock and the switch pro controller natively.
The Steam Controller had this from the start and nobody cared because it "felt cheap"
It was pretty neato that the gyro could be used for precise aiming and the trackpad for wide aiming. It worked really well for me. Eventually I didn't want to tweak input config every game I played. Should be an easier way, like that devs realise this exist and should be available in the menu with a single checkmark and a slider.
Mob mentality at its best
Their video on that controller is actually my up next video.
Except for the "FlickStick" part.
I love my steam controller because it has the precision without gyros, but it does have gyros so this might make it even better :)
Linus Discovers Gyro Controls
Literally Everyone: First time?
Literally everyone that isnt a diehard pc gamer. ftfy
_cries in no switch_
@@dullahangaming5107 ? How does that make sense, PC has the best support for gyro aiming...
@@lindsaygibson2142 Most people just use a mouse and keyboard. I hardly ever use a controller, let alone a gyro controller, though it is pretty cool.
Yeah, I really hate this fact.. Maybe they should have implemented some timestamp about controllers with gyro so Nintendo users would shut the hell up.
PS4 2013
Steam Controller 2015
DS4Windows 2016
Nintendo with PLASTIC LCD SCREEN 2017
Steam controller : exists
Linus : I've Never Met This Man In My Life
I felt so bad for sleeping on the Steam Controller when I recently found out gyro controls could compensate for analogue aiming.
And the worst part was that it was essentially the perfect controller. It had the best gyro tracking out of any controller to date, it had a trackpad so aiming could be even more precise than the analogue stick, and it had under grip buttons by default. You won’t find any bells and whistles (although, some may count gyro controls to be unnecessary).
It was perfect... Sure, maybe it could use more ergonomic tweaks here and there, maybe adjustable trigger stops, and maybe one more under grip button on each side. But other than that, it probably was the endgame of controllers...
It was everything a competitive or casual controller enthusiast could have wanted... it was simply perfect...
@@BahhBahhBrownSheep Just turn off require click in the controller configuration that way all you have to do is tap where you would usually press.
@@BahhBahhBrownSheep I personally just use the left trackpad as a joystick and the joystick as a spade and it works surprisingly well
@@BahhBahhBrownSheep Just spend a time with it. Trust me , Using both trackpads is godly setup. You can even bind a 5 buttons under left trackpad + map soft press to have something like this : Trackpad movement 0-20% - walk , 21-85% run , 86-100% - sprint
he said best controller
Steam Controller did this for years... reviewers didn't bother to set it up properly, it's all GUI in the steam overlay and it takes less than 5 minutes to setup and you can also borrow someone else's preset
Honestly where I think the SC failed most is not having a full time, dedicated team at Valve to come up with sick default configs for games. It's just not worth it for the average person to fiddle with. I'm a HUGE fan of my Steam Controller, and I still manage to F***ing hate it sometimes.
THANK YOU! Was about to say this as well.
Thu sc has not so good build quality and bottom feel, and the gyro in it is not good, worse than switch one
I wish Valve would continue by making a Steam Controller v2 , the thing is marvelous.
You can use the DS4 gyro in Steam Controller settings. It has been a thing for a while.
This is what Splatoon players have been trying to tell every other console owner this whole time
I don't think they should be telling a console owner that -_-
Shame that no one can understand them... WOOMY!
Sony also uses gyro (not with FPSs though)
@@nuttedlemons yeah, they just forgot and left it there like it's useless. We need playstation FPS games with gyro aiming mode. So why not ?
PS4 2013
Steam Controller 2015
DS4Windows 2016
Nintendo with PLASTIC LCD SCREEN 2017
Damn it'd be so cool if this technology has been available for over 5 years fully supported by steam with a large sample of different binds already set up by other people...
DUDE THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING!! Why is everyone sleeping on STEAM'S controller configuration. It's better than all these program's. I just don't get it.
@@ea-sk8er_775
Not just steam controller. Almost all major gamepads are supported in steam at this point.
Most people who play with controllers on PC mostly use ps4 or xbox controller
@@patyos2 guess I'm the odd one out. I use the switch pro controller
@@ProjectFraz I used switch pro for most things too for a while, it's god tier battery life is great but I got a Xbox elite controller and it is admittedly better for the games I play most with controller
Days Gone and Breath of the Wild both have GREAT implementation of gyro aiming. I wish it was in every game that involves aiming. Also, I wish every playsation app would include this feature for on screen typing.
I know it's an old comment, but I just finished Days Gone, and I think its gyro aiming sensitivity was too low on the highest setting on the PS4 (I don't know about the PC version though). Did you play it on PC with a controller?
It seems to me that The Last of Us part II did a better job, not to mention Dreams.
anyone who has played breath of the wild has been doing this to shoot arrows for years.
or twilight princess & skyward sword on wii
Or Ocarina of Time on 3DS
and for the motion controls for the shrines
Splatoon works on this
@@caio7248 I was surprised by Splatoon being so easy to aim. Joy Cons are the best after Keyboard and Mouse.
When I played Breath of the Wild with a Pro Controller, I loved how I could do the broad strokes of crosshair aiming with the joypad, and do fine tuning with motion. I still believe that's the best way to handle FPS on a controller.
watch the flick stick videos on gyro gaming's channel, just using the stick as normal is fine but flick stick is actually so incredible
This was what made breath of the wild my favourite game of all time
Pretty much, yeah.
I do the same thing when I play DOOM on the Nintendo Switch. I can actually aim to the head without much trouble like this. Really makes me wish XBox controllers did this, playing Halo like that would be very interesting.
I do that on splatoon, and thought why not all shooters are like this, it’s wayyyy more accurate.
Every steam controller owner: Welcome to 2015, Linus.
Also every steam controller owner: Where have you been in 2019 to stop steam from discontinuing it?
And you can use dualshok 4 or switch pro gyro using steam BigPicture
I mean, steam had the same amount of fiddly configuration needed from day one.
That said, I game steam controller 100%
Literally came to comments for this
I remember when they went on sale for £5
I tried to buy one but they cancelled by order :(
Maybe they're making a sequel?
The PS5's DualSense controller will be capable of this. It needs to be the standard moving forward!
Microsoft will ensure it won't be a standard thanks to their "let's just keep doing the Xbox 360 controller forever" policy.
@@majorgnu then just stop buying Microsoft shit
@@walkerx1813 I think the last thing I bought from Microsoft was an Xbox 360 controller, actually.
But then again, that was over 10 years ago and I didn't buy it to use on a console.
actually this gyro feature available since ds3 ps3, but until end of ps4 there was no games utilize it for aiming only for lean i suppose, kinda dissapointing
@@kucingganteng3148 The original PS3 controller was the SIXAXIS, named after its accelerometer and gyroscope, and it even omitted the rumble feature, probably to avoid interference with the new sensors.
But in reality, both the SIXAXIS and DS3 had a far inferior gyroscope compared to the DS4. It probably wouldn't have been good enough for fine aiming.
I loved this style of aiming in Breath of the Wild with the Pro Controller
I call it "bad breath of the wild". It makes more sense.
And I love playing Breath of The Wild with my keyboard 😁
That splatoons whole thing
And Splatoon, too.
This comment made me want to hop on breath of the wild
I'm confused. I've been playing like this for years with my Steam controller. How are they shocked by this functionality 3 years later?
Right? I did this back on a ps3 controller lol
I never seen this before.
plus the wii did this in 2006 lmao
It's a criminally underrated controller input. I'm glad they're bringing more attention to gyro aiming. The people need to know! Lol
I came to the comment section to say this. And I am glad that I don't need to. That there are many people who love the steam controller as I do
5:48
Splatoon 1 and 2: been there, done that
I love how he seems so clueless to the idea that there doesn't appear to be a market for gyro aiming. Most shooters on the Switch have this feature.
@@Angeline1994 Many of those same games just don't have this feature on PS4 and PC gamers have to use Steam Input or an equivalent to hack it into the game. There is no market for gyro aiming outside of Switch and niche PC gamers game using anything and everything.
@@Angeline1994 Most shooters on PS Vita like Killzone Mercenary and Uncharted Golden Abyss also had gyro aiming. That feature is still mostly used by devs to compensate for the inaccuracy of tiny analog sticks on handhelds.
None of those games have flick stick.
I know right! Does a single person at LTT play Splatoon?
Here’s a quick summary of the whole comment section: steam did it first
Not only did steam do this first but also Nintendo technically did it first and Microsoft is the only company who doesn't have a gyro in their controller
@@bland9876 Actually, SONY had prototypes for this kind of shit back in 2002.
@@Clay3613 Nintendo had plans for it back in the GC era which launched in 2001.
Yes they did but it sucks and doesn't have flick stick (3m ago) JSM has like 20x customization of steam
In awe of technology that Splatoon players have been enjoying for a while now
You can enable it on many games on
Nintendo switch
@@rhysperrett Even Fortnite on the Switch has had it since just after it launched 2 years ago.
You can also use the steam beta, use the switch pro controller and play CSGO with motion controller
So I just tested my DualShock controller with the Steam controller configuration assistant. Work too with all the funktions and the benefit of an GUI.
in Steam go to Settings -> Controller -> General Controller Settings -> turn on Playstation assistant
then you can configure everthing per game and even bind the DualShock Gyro to Mouse
I don't think you can do the "FlickStick" part via Steam input. It's a pretty specific thing: making it so that the stick auto-turns you to face exactly the direction you press, and then being able to rotate around the edges of the joystick to rotate precisely.
It's shocking that Linus didn't point this out
It's almost like Linus used the steam controller once. Did a review on it. And threw it away
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@@rat4life161 you can do all the things mentioned in this video for years by using dualshock 4 on steam
It's so infuriating that they gave the Steam Controller a bad review without even looking at its gyro functionality and now they act like this is the best thing since sliced bread.
I've been using my steam controller more and more and wow I'm surprised they discontinued it. It would have been great to just have a second joystick model as well. It's a very nice controller once you get past the initial setup and adjustments.
Yeah, this is why I think I want to start using a PS4 controller on my PC. With the trackpad and the gyro controls maybe it can finally replace my stream controller for some games given how steam now has native support for it.
My mind is blown: They SOUND like they've never touched a Steam Controller in their lives, and yet I've WATCHED them try out the Steam Controller in a way earlier video. MIND...BLOWN
Maybe because the Steam Controller had other issues, and touted the 'trackpad' for mouse movement, with the gyro presented as an afterthought? That and needing Steam for it.
Probably sponsored by the soft, ds4windows has this too if i remember correctly and you could set this with just steam and no way they dont know the official steam controller had this
@@armando92 if they were being sponsored by them they are legally obligated to tell us
@@Daniel-is1dz youtube says it has a sponsored msg when the video starts, afaik thats a check you have to mark during the upload. So yea probably sponsored and legally enough so they dont have to say it in the video but technically still there
@@armando92 now bare with me, maybe it's that 10 second ad about *ridge wallet* that starts at 1:01
After playing Splatoon 2, I wished every game had gyro aim. Such a shame it's not.
Either because money, oblivious or too much of some pussies to make it happen.
@Ryan Bramble ye, cause console players cant hit shit without aim assist
Splatoon: "Am I a joke to you?"
Lol right?
You play motion controls? Damn.
@@Hexamath For Splatoon, it's almost necessary.
@@DarkEnigma91 Since when. Never played Splatoon with motion controls and almost always top score.
me who played it without motion control because i cant use it lying down because id have to hold the switch parallel to my face to aim or else itd be facing up the entire time if i play it with motion controls lying down:
So this is what I've done with my Steam Controller for years now to aim in games like Witcher 3 and Shadows of War.
in the witcher 3? why would you need gyro for that?
@@NonsensicalSpudz crossbow
Absolutely. Some games offer new methods of input completely even. Using the SC gyro in Monster Hunter enables you a method to camera pan in situation you can't usually camera pan. Set up right, its insanely good for MHW. Definite control method.
@@3Savv the steam controller is great in monster hunter world!
Not quite the same thing. The flick Stick approach makes it so the right analog stick turns you 360 degrees when you drag it across the rim OR immediately turns you in the direction you push from neutral, i. e. turns you 180 degrees if you push back on the right analog stick. This method is actually better to use with the analog stick than the touchpad.
If you didn't get how it works go watch the videos Linus talks about so you see how it differs.
Been a huge proponent in gyro aiming since playing Splatoon with it's gyro aiming. It is the next best thing after keyboard and mouse. The Switch's Joycon version of it too also was the best version since it's almost like aiming a light gun and was able to get some impressive flick shots using sniper type weapons in Splatoon 2 using it.
Congratulations! You discovered one of the things that made the SC great, yet there isn't a mention of it on Luke's review. And something that Steam Input had quite a long time ago and again, no mention whatsoever. And yes I went back and watched it again to make sure (I can have still missed it, so correct me if I am wrong).
StarCraft is so good dude I know
i agree, im surprised theres no mention about steam controller at all, like it never existed
StarCraft is good, but I don't know about playing it using a controller.
Could you imagine if the Steam Controller got reviews like this? Both it and Steam Input are vastly more capable and easier to use than this solution, and have been since release.
SC Star Citizen?
Playing cs:go with motion. Wow, Valve should make something like this!
They could call it something like Steam Controller. And add two TouchPads also!
In all seriousness, they actually should add support for something like FlickStick. Seems like a superior Gyro experience!
@@JLMoriart you don't need flick stick with the steam controller because you can turn any arbitrary number of degrees like any mouse with quick sweep of the touch pad.
Also steam input added something similar to flick stick, is called Delta mouse.
@@JLMoriart Bro, they don't need to. The functionality built into the Steam controller is better than flickstick. Flickstick is only needed because standard controllers don't have the fully emulated mouse-touchpad things that the SC has.
@@JLMoriart They actually are looking to implement flick stick to Steam, or at least something similar.
And to the other replies, flick stick might be better than the touchpad in certain areas. For one, you can consistently do an instant 180 by just flicking the stick downward. Sure you can do the same with the touchpad with practice for consistency, but flick stick is easier. And for two, most people have a normal controller with sticks, so implementing flick stick would let them get the same turning speed as using a touchpad, rather than forcing people to get a steam controller (which is discontinued, if you've forgotten).
Dude that totally did that!!!
Linus: We used gyro to make aiming with controllers easier.
Me: *Have you heard about Splatoon* ?
You know there are many other games that use it
don't forget about Breath of the Wild's bow controls
@@sonicfannin6701 BetterJoyForCemu is what I use to play my legally-obtained copy of Breath of the Wild on PC with my Switch Pro Controller 😂
To everyone else here complaining about all the other games that support it, no other game has done it quite like splatoon. Look up comp gameplay and you will ultimately be amazed at how fluid it is compared to a mouse.
I reccomend ThatSrb2Dude
@@Jan___. All of which are clunky as fuck.
after playing Breath of the Wild and not bothering to turn off the motion aiming, ive basically been hooked on gyro aim. the only problem is that so few games actually support it and even fewer support it well. as cool as free software like this is, i really hope that more devs start to make this a standard feature.
This is literally how Breath of the Wild lets you use arrows, and how splatoon is played (even back on the Wii U)
Actually, the Wii allowed us to use motion for aiming in Metroid Prime series and Zeldas. People just don't want to move on, it seems.
@@zazuradia Metroid Prime used lightgun aim which is inferior. Wii didn't have gyro until Motion Plus so almost no games used it.
@@maple201 why is Light Gun inferior? Ask people what their favorite Resi 4 port is and you might be surprised.
Fun fact on CEMU with a DS4 and DS4Windows you can literally use the controller like that IN BOTW. It's amazing.
Motion controls in Breath of The Wild is SO good! If you play it on Wii U it feels even better. The Gamepad is perfect for this kind of aiming.
Steam controller had this from the very beginning and it was universally bullied into having production ceased.
It was universally criticized for having subpar build quality and the touch pads had a high learning curve for little benefit over physical buttons and sticks. While it was innovative it made too many mistakes to be widely adopted.
@@sakawi The touch pads are still better than sticks.
@@sakawi r/steamcontroller would like to strongly disagree
@@LawDraws For the average gamer that is unfortunately not the case. The Steam controller was supposed to be a way to play all PC whether they had controller support or not, but Steam input lets every controller do that now. If Valve had to make another, I think they would have a better received product if it was an advanced dual stick design instead. There is still lots of ways to add to a dual stick controller that Microsoft / Sony didn't do for their next gen controllers.
@@sakawi Bad quality, yes. Little benefit over physical buttons and sticks? What the fuck?!
Nintendo controllers: Hey I've seen this one. its a classic
Gyro controller: what do you mean its brand new
Well possibly branding it as new may help it get the more mainstream appeal particularly on consoles where it is needed
And though it's annoying and I do agree as an owner of a steam controller hearing this is really annoying.
but when I play with my friends on Xbox it's even more annoying not to have gyro so if him branding it this way it's what it takes to get it it to console, and he's on the first people of his size to talk about it, it's fine by me
it was on sixaxis controllers before switch controllers
@@xiyition oh yeah and no ps3 and ps4 games that lets us use sixaxis to aim without the right stick. I wonder why not.
@@SpanglesYT People were really cynical about motion controls back then. I'm glad we're more openminded now.
I got the reference, not the joke 😅
Linus and everyone: woah this is amazing!!
Nintendo players and Steam Controller users: First time?
JoyShockMapper has Flick Stick and a Gyro Off Button which are absolutely game changing, at least for me :) I tried it, compared it to Steam's solution, and I'm not going back. Linus unfortunately didn't stress this enough.
@@Dionyzos I haven't made use of Steam's gyro function yet since I mostly use it as a back up controller when I don't want/can't use my xbox controller. Most of my time using gyro is on Nintendo games like Splatoon and others that gives me the option. Honestly I never felt more accurate on a shooter with any other control methods than with gyro on
Kevin Rodriguez I switched from xbox to ps4 controller to use that but nintendo‘s controllers are also supported by JSM. You should give it a try if you have a few hours to get it up and running
@@Dionyzos I probably will, cant wait to try!
Um... You can use steam input with any controller that has the needed hardware. Yup even PS controllers. Basically jsm is great and all but this was already done by 2018.
This is how I was using my Steam Controller and they have had this functionality since the start, accompanied with their haptic feedback it was doing great for casual fun times.
Glad third party controllers are finally updating to 2010 level hardware.
sucks that xbox is still stuck in the past
Nova RL why can’t xbox be also used like this tho?
@@huskytzu7709 because Xbox controller don't have Gyro
huskytzu no gyro
Six axis 2006, Nintendo planned motion control for the gamecube. It's more like 2000 level hardware
Boy, were you awake during your Steam Controller review a few years back? I think you missed a few features in your haste to trash Valve.
Agreed, though I think Linus' review was the least negative one of them all cause they did praise it in way more ways then most did
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Steam Input has now added Flick Stick functionality to its configuration utility.
The whole of the Splatoon community has gone over to gyro I don’t think I know anyone there that uses a stick
I do
I get it and agree with your premise that this isn't anything new. But I just don't like moving my whole hand to aim personally.
Less than a minute into the video immediately reminds me of Splatoon 1/2
I always wanted to get used to that type of control but never got into it. I can see how it would be more accurate, though. Think I need to pop Splatoon 2 in now.
I do
Linus: I'm now going to pretend I've never heard about the Steam Controller.
soooo underrated :]]]
It's poo that's why
@@eldergrant9883 What? You claim Nintendo Wii controller can for example emulate trackball really well?
Mark my words, the DS5 will come out and people will be freaked out by the awesome "innovation" of... haptic feedback
@@aaronlad7697 I disagree. The Steam Controller is great. But that's not even the point: Steam Input also fully supports the PS4 controller and Switch controller gyros. Literally all this program does has already been done by Steam. There's nothing wrong with that but it's surprising how they apparently didn't know this.
My favorite controller has always been the steam controller. The trackpad, while hard to get used to, is incredible once you get used to it
Agreed, I'm terrified I will drop my steam controller since they cut production, but its 100% my favorite controller. If I could just figure out how to get it to work on destiny 2...
The flick stick is game changing here. You can't do sick drags but now devs don't have to keep adding an ADS to every game because consoles require you to make huge camera movements while aiming accurately.
Shooters without ADS and aim assist are easily achievable on console if thumbsticks were properly set up with deadzone and acceleration options offered. Customizable acceleration curves, as well as 'turn' acceleration easily offer the ability to make quick turns while still being able to make pixel adjustments.
It's just the industry standard to fumble thumbsticks. Developers are content with fat deadzones, aim smoothing and limited options.
Dual shock 3 on the PS3 did this, and a couple games actually used it pretty well...
A lot of the PS3/DS3 features were ahead of its time (albeit not easily accessible)
But he's obviously talking about pc games even without steam platform
Steam Controller has excellent gyro sensitivity as well as top shelf custo.ization options. There are also programs that help you use the Steam overlay on non steam games. It's just a hassle. I have even played Escape From Tarkov with Steam Controller gyro aim.
Yes sixaxis controllers were cool
so did the Wii/-U and so does the nintendo switch.
I can already do this with my Steam controller.
Except the FlickStick part, as I understand it.
I missed that controller, I feel bad
@@JLMoriart you can do it, and so much more, with the steam input. Just a matter of tweaking the settings to your liking. Either by using the left analog stick, or by mapping the right pad to do so :D really sad to see the controller discontinued tho
Yeah, I can't see how this is really any better compared to steam input, the only use case I can think of would be if you hate steam, and refuse to use it.
everyone talking about steam controller doing this since 2015. b*tch plz,smartphones have been doing this since 2010. played modern combat 4 using gyro,it's actually pretty good.
Roses are red
Screens give off light
When linus says "speaking of"
I double tap right
this is so very important as a topic. Real glad you guys are giving this a real shot. Nerrel made a couple of vids on this and potentially this could change the industry for the better
Before he says anything: "I swear if he says gyro"
Linus: gyro
He is greek
Gyro is only available for Nintendo Switch Pro Controller amd Steam Controller
I thought he was gonna use the trackpad as a mouse cursor lol
@@arcanegamer1397 Is this a joke that I'm too low IQ to understand or are you trying to draw free page views for your own website?
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This is essentially the control scheme for Splatoon 2, where it uses the joycon gyros for fine aiming, while the right stick still works as a right stick normally would in shooters.
Sean McGreen I remeber this feature was also in first splatoon on wii u
The thing I hated about Splatoon is that the right stick didn’t effect Vertical/UpDown movement. After hours of playing the games I still can’t get used to it
JoyShockMapper allows for "flick stick". Flick stick maps the angle of the right thumbstick to the same angle turn in-game. So if you pull the stick straight back, then you do an almost-instant 180° turn. This gives the player far more direct and immediate control over their bearing than traditional stick controls.
DS4Windows (the ryochan7 version) is really good as well. Fully remappable, gyro mouse, and can poll over Bluetooth at up to 1000hz. You can also set up auto profiles based on what game you're launching. Also lets you use the touchpad as a mouse, and set up controller shortcuts to launch other programs/games.
Are you kidding me. This has litterally been a feature built into steam for YEARS.
That you can no longer buy so yeah why show the ateam controller off if you can't buy it
@@corstasclashcam8925 it's been available for ds4 for years aswell, you never had to have a steam controller for it
@@Yeedman It was also a part of the Sixaxis controller and the DS3 as well
JoyShockMapper has Flick Stick and a Gyro Off button which are absolutely game changing. I tried it and compared it and it's really good.
@@corstasclashcam8925 I said steam not steam controller, Have you never tried using a controller with steam?
I've been doing this with a Steam controller for years and nobody has been listening to me...
Well, what can you do. Gyro is great if you want to be somewhere where operating a mouse is actually uncomfortable. But that's the only reason to use it. It's still nowhere near as precise as a mouse.
@@Thornskade Hundreds of videos have proven that gyro is precise as a mouse
@@Thornskade It's WAY more precise than analog control, that's the only thing that matters.
JoyShockMapper has Flick Stick and a Gyro Off Button which are absolutely game changing, at least for me :) I tried it, compared it to Steam's solution, and I'm not going back. Linus unfortunately didn't stress this enough.
@@Dionyzos wow you are a copypasta nightmare.
Everyone saying the Steam Controller is trash, did you even use it right?
As someone who uses it almost exclusively, it kills me that so many people hated it. It literally fits my hands like a glove where a ds4 and xb1 controller kill my hands after an hour.
I spent about a month trying to get used to the trackpad before it broke.
I can't even play Fallout New Vegas with anything else these days.
Splatoon: I've seen this one!
Every other shooter: what do you mean you've seen it, it's brand new!?
U pwople steel other peoples comments too much think for yourself bot.
@@imjusttrolling4207 tf, wait who stole mine?! I didn't even read the comments!!
I was thinking the same since I will always use motion controls if I can
It's not new - the Steam Controller and Splatoon both released in 2015, roughly the same time.
I have been playing FO:New Vegas with a steam controller like that for years. LOL
"if sticks were good for precision controls, we'd find them on things like cars"
Planes? Helicopters? Look, I'm a PC guy too, but what a silly statement that was
Yea, even astronauts and drone/ missile operators use joysticks lol
Jay green 59 they use flight sticks not joysticks and they have so much more precision
take a look at a controller.
now take a look at a helicopter flight stick.
notice the difference?
@Zunlite no you can pull up and down as well as twist from left to right. It’s similar but has more inputs.
Sticks work great for vehicles, but not so much for aiming anything. Trying to steer on a gyro(that isn't the Wii Wheel in Mario Kart Wii) as a way to drive a vehicle would be pretty awkward.
Uhm Steam Input?
I mean come on it is there no installation needed.
And you can just use already finished community mappings.
Welcome to how Splatoon has been played for YEARS
You can change to joystick only though, right?
@@potatotablet727 yeah you can
@@agressiveeggdog9404 Heh, not asking for confirmation. Just nudging them to see if they knew. Besides, I've played Splatoon on the Wii-U emulator. Really fun game.
@@potatotablet727 Big brain smart boi over here, testing and nudging commenters below youtube vids, huge respect goes out fam
@@TheSolidlad Thank you, now where's my Nobel Prize?
The more I watched the video the more I'm convinced Nintendo got it right with Zelda BOTW. You can still aim with the right stick and hols aim with the left trigger but the control motion helps you aim as well and ia super precise. I ABSOLUTELY, loved that about Zelda
splatoon 2 works the same way. you do your broad aiming with the stick, and the gyro is for the fine tuning.
In case it isn't clear from the video, Flick Stick isn't just gyro aiming. It's even more radical than that. Think of it as combining Splatoon's gyro aim (normal gyro aim, but stick rotates character on the X-axis only) and Luigi's Mansion 3's horizontal mode (stick points vacuum in stick direction, but gyro is vertical only) into one aiming system. My only concern would be that it's too radical for people to accept when they already have trouble accepting normal gyro aim.
I know I'm 4 month late, but yeah people missing the point that this isn't about gyro as much as it is about flick stick.
"This app works with a Dualshock 4, Switch Pro controller, or even a joycon!"
So does Steam...
"You can use it to play any PC game that doesn't already support a controller."
So can Steam...
"The program lets you assign controller inputs to whatever keyboard and mouse action you want."
As does Steam.
You can use a Steam Controller, a Dualshock 4, an Xbone controller, a 360 pad, a Wii U pro controller, a Switch Pro controller, or basically any controller that has DirectInput or XInput mapping support. Wired, wireless with a dongle, Bluetooth. JoyShockMapper is cool, I guess, and if I specifically wanted to use a non-conventional controller on a non-Steam game with something that's overall lighter than Steam, sure, but so long as I can just... add a game to my Steam library and configure Steam Input, I'll just persevere with the minor bloat of Steam. Even the sales pitch of gyro mapping is a moot point because Steam can use the gyro on DS4 or Switch pads, and then it supports things like mode shifting so you can make complex layers. Games like No Man's Sky specifically added support for the Steam Controller and Steam Input features, and it feels like a champion to be able to sit back and space out (get it?).
>renting your games instead of owning them
What's the point?
Honestly, the only thing this app does better is the implementation of Flick Stick. If Valve adds that, this app becomes totally unnecessary. Hopefully this gets Valve's attention.
@@bloodbond3 Valve said that they're looking into it, but that was back in February.
Even controllers that don't natively support xinput like the DualShock 3 or PS3 sixaxis controllers can be used with 1-2 other programs
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Literally every Nintendo console since the Wii: Am I a joke to you?
Wii doesn't use gyro technically it uses infrared for motion controls (though I think motion plus accessory that came out later was gyro). Sony has been using it from the beginning with PS3 and continued with that feature on the Vita and PS4.
And the PlayStation is infinitely more responsive
@@weaverquest Wii M+ that was showcased since 2008 uses a gyro. Nintendo has implemented Gyro aiming/camera control in more games than Sony. Back in the Wii/PS3 games majority of games with Gyro aiming were on the Wii. Most PS3 games used Gyro in a very ginmicky way, not as the main aiming method.
steam already has this function since steam controller launched
It's a shame that Microsoft didn't make this a standard on their controllers. A new console came and yet again it lacks gyro features. And the worst part is, fanboys still call it gimmick.
If Xbox controllers had it as a standard feature, then at least on pc games we could simply use the controllers and translate it to mouse+kb or on modern games have native features for it.
Splatoon players been playing Splatoon on Switch like this for a long time.
WiiU as well.
yeah, splatoon sold me on gyro aiming.
Seriously. Splatoon's motion controls are already a perfect implementation. On both the Wii U and on the Switch. I was terrible at normal thumb-stick shooters back when they were the big thing. I tried Splatoon and was used to it almost instantly. 3-4000+ hrs of playing S1 and S2 later, and I still marvel at how absolutely smooth and intuitive it all is and the incredible degree of control I have. I've said for years if you put Splatoon-quality motion controls up against K&M, they'd go toe-to-toe. And for the life or me, I cannot understand why Nintendo hasn't made it super easy for established shooter series to implement them. It'd be completely eye-opening to so many people to see the monumental upgrade over the old, clunky thumbsticks-only system.
Probably the closest thing to mouse aiming right now quite honestly
@@kdawg3484 I heard that the Doom Switch port added in gyro aiming at some point
I personally really like the gyro-mouse control. I have a Steam Controller, and I know it's not the best, but it has the gyro option and configurable bindings built into Steam with a really nice interface.
I'm just getting into Gyro aim, and I think it's a total game-changer! (And maybe even not just for controller players, but for KBM players too. I can't wait to see how competitive people can be growing up with gyro aim.) I've been playing through the Halo games in the Master Chief Collection, and it's so nice to have mouse-like aiming from the couch for a game I grew up playing with twin-stick controls from the couch.
I used to have a Sniper unit that allowed me to plug in a mouse and left hand keyboard to my 360. That was excellent.
Damn they really said “splatoon who?” for thirteen minutes and twenty-one seconds
The key thing though that splatoon has and this doesn’t have, is the immediate gyro adjustment. One button resets the gyro based on where your controller is and it tells the system “this is my neutral position” rather immediately. I really think that’s a major key in something like this working properly.
Agreed. Without the recenter button, Splatoon would become unplayable imo.
@jesus barrera Casually, yes. Competitively? Not quite.
@jesus barrera have you ever actually... watched splatoon? Turf war is only one of the modes, and even then there's more to it than just "paint printer go brr"
Hi! This program draws some inspiration from Splatoon, but does some things differently. Instead of a reset button, there's a disable-gyro button. This is much more like a mouse (the mouse doesn't reset to the centre of the screen, but you can lift it up to reposition). This is much better when you're following targets above or below you, and at a high level of play players much prefer this over a full reset.
It also improves on Splatoon's gyro aiming, but I don't wanna make this a super long comment :)
@jesus barrera To give you more context of proper Splatoon games, there are weapons that is NOT recommend to paint frequently but to hide yourself in paint or terrains and aim for kills. Switching between painting and precision aiming happens very frequent and both are important to do in the whole team.
Doesn’t almost every Switch game use gyro aiming with the Pro Controller or Joycons?
Jake yes! BotW does this and it’s a joy to micro aim with gyro
@@briando8150 aiming with gyro in botw is amazing, It works great om Skyrim as well. I wish this was a standard feature for every aiming game when using controllers with gyro... This os close, but it seems a lot more janky :/
Yes, even Wii U and 3DS games used to do this.
Yeah, but he mentioned the main issue: they only poll at 60hz wireless and their native rate for some reason doesn't work on PC wired. Considering good mice poll at 1000hz (and even cheap mice do 250hz) it's pretty noticeable for me.
Gyro, yes. Flick stick, no.
We've had this on Splatoon since Day 1 and the game is literally unplayable for me without it.
Agreed
With the flick stick thing the joystick is only controlling X-axis, is that really how Splatoon does it?
@@austinpalmer2527 The flick stick thing isn't as sensitive as with Linus's, but it works the same in splatoon.
@@beaugemperline4674 Huh? It's not flick-based in Splatoon, you just get faster wide movements with the right stick and do the fine adjustments with the gyro. That method works really well. I kind of prefer it to the flick setup in the video, but it's probably just because I'm used to the smooth camera movement.
Tyler Smith yeah that’s what I meant, I just didn’t explain it very well.
Just gonna put this out here: A controller does not snap your aim at a moving target, it simply slows down your joystick when you're ADS in on the target. It won't just magically snap your crosshair to the target and give you back to back hits. Keyboard players rather are on an advantage as they get more options to map their controls on the keyboard. No hate, just facts
So someone finally cottoned on to some more features of the Steam controller?
Oh, and Steam already has built-in support for this on Dual Shock 4 controllers anyway.
But the steam controller is superior.
And it has RGB!
East DallasKick's doesn’t have a d-pad so it isn’t superior
This functionality is actually one of the configs of Steam Controller for csgo >> SC, the best controller?
Maybe it is but dualshock 4 is an old controller
@@joshw4663 ds4 is supported gyro is supported in steam
Flickstick alone makes the DS4 better, something SC doesn't have
Dual shock 4 has better motion tracking
Definitely depends on the game, for some the trackpad works really well (mostly games that allow controller input and mouse input at the same time) while others are better with a proper right analogue stick.
*Laughs in steam controller*
laughs in discontinued controller
@@rawkvlttrvdankness8884 Steam Input, which some people just generally blanket under the Steam Controller umbrella, is still alive and also has long since fully supported the DualShock 4 & Switch Pro controllers and their gyros.
Wait, aren't they aware that you can use flick stick also continuously once the right stick is tilted?
I really wish Developers start implementing gyro aiming on their games, some people may not like it/won't use it but giving a different option to play never hurt anyone...
And it doesn't seem that hard to be implemented as well. For example, a lot of Nintendo Switch players wanted this feature to be implemented in Doom for Switch, and it immediately came with the next update
When you've been doing this with steam and a pro controller since metro exodus came out
Splatoon controls: *Am I a joke to you?*
I found the gyro/six axis function great back in 2007 with a game called Warhawk on the PS3. It was awesome for me to fly my Warhawk with it.
Warhawk was the shit.
lm sick that l can't drive Gran Turismo 5 by motion control (not supported)
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When I saw the video I honestly thought that he was going to talk about the gyro configuration profile built-in Steam.
Love this control scheme when playing Splatoon.
Bruh steam has had a motion mapping option for ages. Plus has he never played splatoon
Or used actual steam controller
Hippity Hop lol nice joke
Motion assisted aim.
Switch Players: "Old News"
Everyone Else: "AHMERGERD!"
True fact but most players dont like gyro aiming smh
Even switch players (except me) dont use motion in shooting games
I've been using motion since befor the switch and beating most pc players.
I started mobile gaming and found out 99% of the players don't even turn it on.
so with 20 years of gyro and camera experience I hit rank 1 lol
@@joejerangkung Most Splatoon players use gyro and idk about most people but I know a significant number of people enjoy the gyro aiming in BOTW
I know I'm late to the party and that's mostly because the algorithm somehow didn't want me to know such knowledge lmao, but I think the point of the video was to show that motion assist aim is now possible on the PC with a Dualshock 4 and Switch Pro controller rather than talking about the existence of it.
@@joejerangkung what? over 80 percent of Splatoon players use gyro
Did You ever hear of the steam controller.... Did this since years.... And its Just perfect of You give it time a adjusting
But did you know it's discontinued but the ps4 controller is still getting made and sold 🤔 no point advertising something people wouldn't beable to buy 🤷♂️
Right around the same time the Steam controller was discontinued there were some patents showing a new version with a lot of new features
@@EVPointMaster Those patents are from 2 years ago. If you research for a bit, the patents aren't recent IIRC.
@@corstasclashcam8925 Except steam configuration can also do ps4
@@corstasclashcam8925 you completely missed the point
As a Splatoon fan, it was difficult to watch this hearing them talk like this a new thing. Frikin PC gamers.
As a person with a broader view on the matter, I shall inform you that Splatoon and the Steam Controller both released in 2015. The Steam controller is just a popular example however, and gyro mouse controllers have existed before that time: ua-cam.com/video/MePoH-fgER8/v-deo.html Beyond this, you've been able to use your Android smartphone as a gyro gamepad on PC way before 2015 as well.
In general, even if not popular, gyro input indubitably started on PC like most things and experimental tech.
You are right, this is nothing new. But much more so than Splatoon this video should have mentioned Steam Input, as this program does virtually the same thing that Steam does.
Linus: "Motion controls are the future"
Me: "yeah I remember the Wii"
What Linus just showcased is absolutely standard on every Nintendo Switch shooter
Doesn´t even have the older DS3 have Gyroscope and whatever?
the wiimote concept is / was SUPERIOR than current RETRO console gamepad TRASH ( the execution... meh)
I bet you also tried a VR headset once in the 1990s and are here to tell us VR is trash? Also, these newfangled 'computers' are never going to catch on.
@@KillahMate yes. VR is also vomit inducing trash. but not at the level of game-pads.
Literally everyone watching this video "So we are just going to pretend the Steam controller does not exist?"
It has been discontinued. Ds4 and switch controllers are the only ones with gyro supported by Steam itself and ARE STILL BEING MANUFACTURED
Valve: But we kinda did that tho..
Honestly, this is the main reasons I use my switch controller on pc
V e e m o
Oh right, I've been using it with the steam controller for years now
"if there's a market for it..."
YES! ABSOLUTELY! At least for me. Cuz I can see why I need it over M+KB in certain games. Especially some games like Warframe, World of Tanks etc
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Me: Linus has never explored the wonder that is Steam Controller gyro aiming
THIS!
Was *just* talking about this with my friend while he was playing BOTW. The precision of the motion controlled aiming was SO much better than just using the analog sticks.
Combining the stick with motion controlls for the fine aiming is what FPS games need when played with a controller.
I hate switch motion controls. I always turn them off.
Bruh Nintendo has been doing this in games like Splatoon for years
Now the Japanese tryhards is going to snipe everyone without missing a shot
You guys probably wont get it if you are not familiar with Splatoon
Breath of the Wild has it, but only while aiming with the bow and arrow.
Using a DS4 with DS4Windows on pc is excellent, I can finally use that large touchpad for multitasking and pc-native games. I actually use the touchpad on pc more than I ever did on PS4!
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