Through literal days of research and writing, 2 full Audio Recordings, many late nights of editing, and 3 reuploads to fix grammar and spelling (and there are still spelling errors ), I finally bring to you, The Sotha Sil / Clockwork City project. I have spent more time with this video than I have with many of my own friends and family throughout the year. Please, at least leave a like. If you enjoyed the video, tell me in the comments below. If not. Tell me why. If you'd like to subscribe, feel free. Links to my socials below: Discord: discord.gg/kBWbzCt6 Second Channel: ua-cam.com/channels/jhNn4bFv_Euylc6HvMB7gw.html Twitch: www.twitch.tv/theemerdareloth Shadow Hide You, - Dareloth
Lord Seht is the only one I would truly trust, though he is tad troubled. Vivec is somewhat reliable but you'd have to be cautious when it comes to his arrogance and narcissism. Almalexia is not to be trusted at all, she is the murderous betrayer and the worst of the anticipations, Boethiah.
@polo5760 Vivec shows signs of remorse in his writings and dialogue. Though he denies murdering Nerevar publicly, he hides messages in the Sermons of his guilt. He also says that his breaking of the oath to Azura is something he deeply regrets. Sotha Sil also states that Vivec and He are both bound together by regret. Almalexia may be the only one of the three who doesn't, which is consistent with how the three are represented. Almalexia, No Regret Sotha Sil, Shows Regret Vivec, A Contradiction of Regret
Dagoth "How can you kill a god?" Ur : gets killed by a Tarnished of no renown Sotha Gigasil: was out solving the universe when he got killed, probably didn't even notice
@@MandaloreTheAbsolver Nah, Amalexia is. She killed her husband for power then continued to use and manipulate the citizens under her until her downfall. There is a quest in ESO and a quest in Morrowind: Tribunal that shows this. In the Deshaan region there are people being poisoned and a woman who had someone killed by amalexia was behind it. and in Tribunal, Amalexia has a machine to change weather to trick people to think she still has power. By far, she is the worst of the three. Sotha Sil still wanted to help people and Vivec, although lied a lot during his reign accepted his fate at the end. That his time was up and he needed to pay for what he did. Sotha Sil and Vivec also had the one thing Amalexia didnt have. Regret. Both boys regreted killing and betraying Nerevar. Amalexia showed no signs of regret.
Hi I’m one of those philosophy-heads you mentioned, I wanna say I wholeheartedly agree with the comparison you make between Sotha Sil and Spinoza’s philosophy, in fact I’ve always had the same kinda intuition when thinking about his character and throughout the video it just kept growing stronger until you literally spoke my mind. I may add that Spinoza was a rationalist, he derived his deterministic pantheism from logical (in his own words geometrical) deductions borne of his own understanding, which I guess totally tracks with Sotha Sil as well. I’d bet that the ppl who wrote his lore actually did have at least some picture of Spinoza in mind when they did. Btw you’ve rightfully pointed out how plain “determinism” was a pretty broad term and the curse of certainty that Sotha Sil talks about I think is also reminiscent of Laplace’s demon, the idea of a being able to gain total knowledge of everything past and future from complete knowledge of one point in time. And it does feel like such a being would struggle with existence in the same way Sotha Sil faces his curse of certainty. And since Sotha Sil is one of my fav elder scroll character as well I’ll continue by saying that Sil’s concept of Anu being the One and crumbling down through the creation of Nirn, even tho it’s probably a stretch, feels like something out of Mainländer and his idea of the decaying corpse of god. Except Sotha Sil would conclude to the exact opposite of him, where instead of accepting the doomed nature of the world and seeking to escape it with ascetism and apathy, he’d want to redeem the world, mend it back through action and investigation. elder scroll lore my dearest for allowing me to shamelessly ramble like an absolute nerd
I appreciate you putting quotes/text up on the screen. As an Elder Scrolls casual, I often have no idea how any of the names are spelled, so that was really helpful!
Sir, this is your best work yet. Well worth the wait, didn't know someone could get me to love Seht more than I already did. What an exceptionally well-referenced work, using - almost exclusively - authentic in-game citations and lore, spanning from Morrowind (2002) till TES Legend's Return to Clockwork city, ESO's Clockwork city (both in 2017), and everything in-between. From my understanding, Seht basically saved the Tribunal from destruction the first time they were ambushed by Dagoth Ur. You do an excellent job at portraying Lord Seht as a humane patron of the Dunmer as much as he is an erudite, almost esoteric, recluse. In a way, Seht was greater than divinity itself, as he simply saw it as a tool to serve his people, and did not care for the vanity and 'theatrics' of Godhood. He willing took on the 'burden of certainty' and the curse of knowing his own tragic fate - he toiled away his final years of divinity to construct the Mechanical Heart to protect his people for eternity, even in death.
Sotha Sil may be less godlike of the tribunal in a way. We can actually connect and empathize with him the most, making him feel more close to a mortal than Vivec or Almalexia. He's by far my favorite of the tribunal for that reason.
I'm sure this not a new idea talked about, but if Sotha Sil think's it will take 207 years for the Heart to complete, the time between Morrowind and Oblivion is 6 years and Oblivion and Skyrim is 200. Perhaps related to the "rounding error"? Which means by the time of Skyrim or at least in TES6 the Clockwork Heart will be active and finished.
So, I should've been more clear about this point in the video, but the Mechanical Heart WAS completed by the Factotums after Sotha Sil in the year 4E 201. The time skip between Oblivion and Skyrim is actually 201 years, making your math match up to 207 with the 6 year difference between Morrowind and Oblivion added as well. Whether the Mechanical Heart is still opporational is up for debate.
Thats assuming the city and everything in it, functions properly in those years _without_ Sotha Sil present. Its a shame what happened to him. Almalexia really deserved worse.
What if the heart being completed made the red mountain blow. I'm not too up to snuff on what they say in the lore about it, but that could be an interesting thread to pull on
as someone whose only really played Skyrim, it is lovely to learn more about this interesting world. i would love to hear your thoughts on Nocturnal expanded some time.
This was legit great. That art that was your wallpaper is my fave depiction of the Tribunal ever, thanks for introducing us to that art. I appreciate the editing & multiple images & tangents. You don't just repeat the same few images, I appreciate that as someone who looks while I listen.
Fantastic video! I always liked Sotha Sil from only playing Morrowind but I never knew all the other things he's been up to before all that. What a cool guy.
Such a fantastic video bro like this type of video is exactly what I’ve been looking for in terms of depth and straightforwardness. U earned a loyal sub bud! Can’t wait to see what other bomb videos on elder scrolls u make!!!
Best narrator voice and video/story progression of whatever topic is at hand. Keep it up brother ! I always look foreword to your elder scrolls lore videos 🙏
Sotha Sil sounds like my kind of guy. I'd definitely attempt to follow his path, playing with dwarven metal, mechanisms, and magic. Has me tempted to play ESO
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That first quote, has the be the most interesting part of the philosophy of Sotha Sil "Some say we are the product of our choices. I have found that not to be the case." Because in the mind of the clockwork god, we are but a cog being moved by the mechanics of the greater whole. As someone who has been pushed a number of directions throughout my life against my will, it resonates with me. Edit: Further into the video and you can see in Sotha Sil's quotes he truely follows this philosophy of being a cog in a greater whole. Whether his followers worship or scorn him, he is moved by them and they him. It is still the motion of others that create the self. As someone who enjoys playing tank in WoW I can't move at my pace, though I set it for the party. I am limited by the damage, CC and healing put out by the group, as well as my own. Though the cog around which every else must move, I can only move as fast as they turn.
Okay but when he ate azura up by calling her an inconstant spirit 😂😭 and he seemed less bothered by the grey skin curse. He gave me the vibe of “give me godlike ability and I’ll show you what to ACTUALLY do with it”
I love Sotha sil. I too like him, find this world flawed, lacking order, symmetry and perfect harmony. I too am tempted to believe all creation should function, like clockwork and that the best surprises are those long foreknown. But I realise that only in such a world as ours can free will exist. Alas, the cost of the power to choose...
My beloved ! He's the only one in the tribunal that I'd actually fight for. Hes a tragic character and has the burden of certainty. He def feels like that one friend we know doenst talk to anyone else, and we always invite him out, but in this case was to kill nerevar and achive godhood (fake, but still counts i guess) hes my all time favourite character in ES ❤
@@theemerdareloth Unlikely since the start of the timeline (base game) is a fucking mess that gets messier with each expansion built on top of it. And that's not even factoring in Cyrodil/IC, ZOS's "favorite" topic.
It's kinda funny how almost every time I see a video involving ESO lore, there will always be a point in the video where the author lets out a deep sigh.
Imagine one day waking up with red eyes, gray skin and a voice that sounds like you smoked 2 hunnit packs of smokes the day before... All because 3 jerks you've never made killed their chad friend and pissed off the wrong deity.
Oh gods yes, this is a truly awesome video, giving breath to a character that always felt like it was missing. There was one sentence that got caught by my brain, that Vivec wanted to be "all things", I remember his hermaphroditic nature to be brought up more than once online, but what others ways did this show up?
I think Set has such a deterministic outlook because he's in a computer game. That might sound weird, but his fellow tribune Vivec is aware that the world he lives in doesn't exist. This idea is called Chim, Vivec doesn't understand code, but sees the universe as part of the godheads dream. Those who achieve Chim become dreamers themselves, aware of the falsehood of the reality they live in, those who can't handle this zero sum and cease to exist. Hyperlogical Sotha Sil is not as arrogant as Vivec to come to such a conclusion, but as a god he can probably see a bit that his life is predestined, because it is by the writers, game designers and coders.
Sotha and his city is what literally forced me into ESO. I played it during beta in 2013 and h(ated every minute of it, then tried to come back with Morrowind (bought it and never played), then finally with the Clockwork City I grabbed my level one sorc and endured all the Clockwork timeline and it was sooo enjoyable I stayed in game for yrs! Till this day Clockwork city is my absolute favorite. They did a great justice to the story of Sotha, can't say the same about other Tribunal. Vivec story was not even about him per se, and Alma I don't even remember doing because of how bland and boring it was. But Clockwork? Masterpiece in design and storytelling.
I loved the video, and agree that Sotha Sil is such an interesting character. Way back in 2002 he intrigued me and i was gutted we never got to talk to him then. As an incredibly minor quibble, unless memory fails me, Almalexia killing him took place during the Tribunal dlc, not before, as she had to use the ring the Nerevarine obtained for her to breach the clockwork city. I hope i'm not talking out of my ass here, because to me it added to how disturbing her madness was, that while manipulating the hell out of your character, she also went on a side quest to kill a fellow god.
Ahh, yeah I may have goofed up the timeline slightly there. I'm playing through Tribunal right now on the channel. About to get Barilzar's Mazed Band soon here.
Truly poetic how he used dwemer tools in pursuit of the opposite goal. Sad he fell for gnostic delusion - bane of all elves it seems. Also reminds me of a nicer, less forceful and more committed version of Viktor from Arcane.
Is this how you honor The Sixth House and The Tribe Unmourned? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. That said, the false god Sotha Sil is the most respectful of the s'wits that form the heretical tribunal.
I always felt like there is some connection between Sotha Sil and Jyggalag. They both pursue perfect order and go mad in the process. Jyggalag literally by becoming Sheogorath and Sotha Sil by being more and more secluded from society. In Tribunal Sotha Sil is even called mad god but that is actually revealed to be Almalexia. Another connection is that Jyggalag was supposedly feared by other Daedric princes which is why they cursed him with madness and Sotha Sil made 8 Daedric princes to agree on Coldharbour Compact by means that are not public so perhaps they feared him too. It is also said that Jyggalags realm expanded in Oblivion and his realm was ordered so it is similar to Sotha Sils sealing of the gaps where Daedra are.
Absolutely. One of the volumes of the Truth in Sequence actually makes mention of Jyggalag, citing Seht as the reason for his madness. Definitely some connections between the two.
I would think it weird if someone forgot where he came from after getting massive power and massively expanded lifespan. Childhood and early youth is filled with the most first expierience memories and is when you form a majority of your opnions and as your skills grow you dont forget your personality.
Out of the entire tribunal sotha sil is the most deserving of forgiveness he sought to lead others to a better life and remembered his humanity through godhood Also check out the concept art for the murder of nerivar sotha is just there holding nerivars face
The lesson is that a leader or in this particular case a God, that has philosophical intentions will never seek power or wealth over it's subjects and will in fact bring prosperity.
As a philosophy major and as someone who has studied a lot of religions, it does sound a lot like pantheism. I can't recall any forms of pantheism that have something aside from god, even if Sothis calls the Daedra nothing. I do really like the idea of Daedra being the crack in reality manifested. It seems unclear why you wouldn't just lump everything as shards of the divine, when we know that Daedra are not the only beings that do bad stuff so I wouldn't see any worry of tainting the divine and you could simply say they are the gears in need of the most repair. Jyggalag being a prince of order also seems to throw a wrench in Daedra being unrelated, but Jyggalag is just weird in general lore wise. Another take on the Determinism angle, this could possibly be a consequence of his apotheosis. You run into contradictions with being able to know everything and having free will. More of an argument against gods, or at least the benefits of being one, than anything else.
interesting so technically even though he died, Sotha Sil's conscience still probably lives in the clockwork city, maybe thats why he didnt care if he "died"
I do recall a peculiar line and need to check but weird implications were said by vivecc in morrowind that arent super trustworthy implying Sil was to reincarnate or be reborn sometime or place else
I'm not well versed in these pieces of lore so I'm a little confused (im barely on my first playthrough of Skyrim, there's lots for me to learn) Did Almalexia remain a Chimer after Azura's curse? If so, why?
She used her God-like powers to remain a Chimer. Her whole personality revolves around being a narcissist essentially, which is represented by her refusing to have Dunmer skin.
From what i remember, sotha sil seemed like the only one of the tribunal who seemed like a decent guy. Not stuck up or 'oh im a god, look at my godlyness' like vivec and almalexia
Will you make a video on Vivec? Vivec is my number 1 Tribunal, Sotha Sil being second and you know who as last, i'm still salty she killed him so i am not saying her name.
Through literal days of research and writing, 2 full Audio Recordings, many late nights of editing, and 3 reuploads to fix grammar and spelling (and there are still spelling errors ), I finally bring to you, The Sotha Sil / Clockwork City project.
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It is unfortunate that this time in the First Era was so indiscriminate though :'( /lh
I'm assuming the word was meant to be indeterminate?
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Great video but please spend time with friends and family
@@viniperuzza You won't fool me... that reply was definitely written by friends and/or family.
Sotha Sil the goat of the tribunal. And probably the only one i would trust.
@@polo5760 I may trust him more than the other two, but he did break his oath not to use the tools of kagrenac and assisted in killing Nerevar…
@themilkman7921 True he did, but if my memory is correct he's the only one that actually regrets it to a degree.
Lord Seht is the only one I would truly trust, though he is tad troubled. Vivec is somewhat reliable but you'd have to be cautious when it comes to his arrogance and narcissism. Almalexia is not to be trusted at all, she is the murderous betrayer and the worst of the anticipations, Boethiah.
@@polo5760fair enough 👍
@polo5760 Vivec shows signs of remorse in his writings and dialogue. Though he denies murdering Nerevar publicly, he hides messages in the Sermons of his guilt. He also says that his breaking of the oath to Azura is something he deeply regrets.
Sotha Sil also states that Vivec and He are both bound together by regret.
Almalexia may be the only one of the three who doesn't, which is consistent with how the three are represented.
Almalexia, No Regret
Sotha Sil, Shows Regret
Vivec, A Contradiction of Regret
"But I'm already saved, for the Machine is immortal."
Dagoth "How can you kill a god?" Ur : gets killed by a Tarnished of no renown
Sotha Gigasil: was out solving the universe when he got killed, probably didn't even notice
Sotha Sil is the only false-God it's okay to like. Great video :)
Dagoth Ur > Any daedric lord or divine, false or not
All hail the Sharmat!
While true, he still killed his friend and king for power.
@@MandaloreTheAbsolver Nah, Amalexia is. She killed her husband for power then continued to use and manipulate the citizens under her until her downfall. There is a quest in ESO and a quest in Morrowind: Tribunal that shows this.
In the Deshaan region there are people being poisoned and a woman who had someone killed by amalexia was behind it. and in Tribunal, Amalexia has a machine to change weather to trick people to think she still has power. By far, she is the worst of the three. Sotha Sil still wanted to help people and Vivec, although lied a lot during his reign accepted his fate at the end. That his time was up and he needed to pay for what he did. Sotha Sil and Vivec also had the one thing Amalexia didnt have. Regret. Both boys regreted killing and betraying Nerevar. Amalexia showed no signs of regret.
Hi I’m one of those philosophy-heads you mentioned, I wanna say I wholeheartedly agree with the comparison you make between Sotha Sil and Spinoza’s philosophy, in fact I’ve always had the same kinda intuition when thinking about his character and throughout the video it just kept growing stronger until you literally spoke my mind. I may add that Spinoza was a rationalist, he derived his deterministic pantheism from logical (in his own words geometrical) deductions borne of his own understanding, which I guess totally tracks with Sotha Sil as well. I’d bet that the ppl who wrote his lore actually did have at least some picture of Spinoza in mind when they did.
Btw you’ve rightfully pointed out how plain “determinism” was a pretty broad term and the curse of certainty that Sotha Sil talks about I think is also reminiscent of Laplace’s demon, the idea of a being able to gain total knowledge of everything past and future from complete knowledge of one point in time. And it does feel like such a being would struggle with existence in the same way Sotha Sil faces his curse of certainty.
And since Sotha Sil is one of my fav elder scroll character as well I’ll continue by saying that Sil’s concept of Anu being the One and crumbling down through the creation of Nirn, even tho it’s probably a stretch, feels like something out of Mainländer and his idea of the decaying corpse of god. Except Sotha Sil would conclude to the exact opposite of him, where instead of accepting the doomed nature of the world and seeking to escape it with ascetism and apathy, he’d want to redeem the world, mend it back through action and investigation.
elder scroll lore my dearest for allowing me to shamelessly ramble like an absolute nerd
Glad to know my philosophy minor finally paid off.
Definitely one of the most complex and interesting Elder Scrolls characters, which is pretty fitting considering his divine sphere of influence.
I appreciate you putting quotes/text up on the screen. As an Elder Scrolls casual, I often have no idea how any of the names are spelled, so that was really helpful!
Sir, this is your best work yet. Well worth the wait, didn't know someone could get me to love Seht more than I already did.
What an exceptionally well-referenced work, using - almost exclusively - authentic in-game citations and lore, spanning from Morrowind (2002) till TES Legend's Return to Clockwork city, ESO's Clockwork city (both in 2017), and everything in-between. From my understanding, Seht basically saved the Tribunal from destruction the first time they were ambushed by Dagoth Ur.
You do an excellent job at portraying Lord Seht as a humane patron of the Dunmer as much as he is an erudite, almost esoteric, recluse. In a way, Seht was greater than divinity itself, as he simply saw it as a tool to serve his people, and did not care for the vanity and 'theatrics' of Godhood. He willing took on the 'burden of certainty' and the curse of knowing his own tragic fate - he toiled away his final years of divinity to construct the Mechanical Heart to protect his people for eternity, even in death.
Sotha Sil may be less godlike of the tribunal in a way.
We can actually connect and empathize with him the most, making him feel more close to a mortal than Vivec or Almalexia.
He's by far my favorite of the tribunal for that reason.
I find the scene of discovering his body in MW unbearably tragic.
True. He actually doesn't ever refer to himself as a god. He doesn't think of himself as one, at least not in the same way as his fellow Tribunes.
I'm sure this not a new idea talked about, but if Sotha Sil think's it will take 207 years for the Heart to complete, the time between Morrowind and Oblivion is 6 years and Oblivion and Skyrim is 200. Perhaps related to the "rounding error"? Which means by the time of Skyrim or at least in TES6 the Clockwork Heart will be active and finished.
So, I should've been more clear about this point in the video, but the Mechanical Heart WAS completed by the Factotums after Sotha Sil in the year 4E 201.
The time skip between Oblivion and Skyrim is actually 201 years, making your math match up to 207 with the 6 year difference between Morrowind and Oblivion added as well.
Whether the Mechanical Heart is still opporational is up for debate.
Thats assuming the city and everything in it, functions properly in those years _without_ Sotha Sil present.
Its a shame what happened to him.
Almalexia really deserved worse.
@@alexanderrahl7034 Wasn't that the point though? So it could sustain itself without him?
What if the heart being completed made the red mountain blow. I'm not too up to snuff on what they say in the lore about it, but that could be an interesting thread to pull on
as someone whose only really played Skyrim, it is lovely to learn more about this interesting world. i would love to hear your thoughts on Nocturnal expanded some time.
Play Morrowind it's much better
Another banger video. Amazing work my man!
Thank you!
This was legit great. That art that was your wallpaper is my fave depiction of the Tribunal ever, thanks for introducing us to that art. I appreciate the editing & multiple images & tangents. You don't just repeat the same few images, I appreciate that as someone who looks while I listen.
Fantastic video! I always liked Sotha Sil from only playing Morrowind but I never knew all the other things he's been up to before all that. What a cool guy.
Be far and away my favorite elder scrolls lore content creator. Keep going!
Playing Daggerfall listening to Elder Scrolls lore rn
This is chill af
I'm playing morrowind myself but it definitely is kosher lol
Excellent video man! I didn't know how much I'd learn that I wasn't already aware of- but I have gained an abundance of knowledge. Thank you man!
Such a fantastic video bro like this type of video is exactly what I’ve been looking for in terms of depth and straightforwardness. U earned a loyal sub bud! Can’t wait to see what other bomb videos on elder scrolls u make!!!
This is the best sotha sil video I’ve ever watched.
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Best narrator voice and video/story progression of whatever topic is at hand. Keep it up brother ! I always look foreword to your elder scrolls lore videos 🙏
I've been super into elder scrolls lore lately, usually this kind of interest fades after awhile but this hasn't, I'm glad
This HAS to blow up, this is your best one yet! (Among the already other great Lore Vids)
Finally got around to watching appreciate the effort of the lore videos!
Well composed, great narrative, very insightful, enjoyable both to listen to and watch. Awesome work!
Sotha Sil sounds like my kind of guy. I'd definitely attempt to follow his path, playing with dwarven metal, mechanisms, and magic.
Has me tempted to play ESO
I've been so excited for this video, glad it's finally out!
Great work Dareloth, this is the best Seht explainer I've come across!
What an awesome retelling of this beautiful story. Great video, my friend!
Thought I should leave a like and comment. First video I've seen the from you, and I must say, It's a great first impression. I'm especially grateful for your citations of sources.
I'm excited for future videos to come, however long they may take.
Cheers!
That first quote, has the be the most interesting part of the philosophy of Sotha Sil "Some say we are the product of our choices. I have found that not to be the case."
Because in the mind of the clockwork god, we are but a cog being moved by the mechanics of the greater whole.
As someone who has been pushed a number of directions throughout my life against my will, it resonates with me.
Edit: Further into the video and you can see in Sotha Sil's quotes he truely follows this philosophy of being a cog in a greater whole. Whether his followers worship or scorn him, he is moved by them and they him. It is still the motion of others that create the self.
As someone who enjoys playing tank in WoW I can't move at my pace, though I set it for the party. I am limited by the damage, CC and healing put out by the group, as well as my own. Though the cog around which every else must move, I can only move as fast as they turn.
Crazy how he actually succeeded in creating a device that grants godhood.
Dispite the over abundance of Elder Scrolls lore, your stuff is good.
Okay but when he ate azura up by calling her an inconstant spirit 😂😭 and he seemed less bothered by the grey skin curse. He gave me the vibe of “give me godlike ability and I’ll show you what to ACTUALLY do with it”
This has cemented Sotha Sil as my favorite elder scrolls character
3:10 That's some Chad Nerevar there.
im glad that its taken so long to get ES6 that ive started to witness a rise in older elder scrolls content
The only upside to TES VI's insanely long release cycle
I love Sotha sil. I too like him, find this world flawed, lacking order, symmetry and perfect harmony. I too am tempted to believe all creation should function, like clockwork and that the best surprises are those long foreknown. But I realise that only in such a world as ours can free will exist. Alas, the cost of the power to choose...
I've been waiting for a good video on Sotha Sil for so long. I don't think I've ever clicked on a video so fast before 😂
wonderful video thank you so much i love your work next paycheck ill become a member
My beloved !
He's the only one in the tribunal that I'd actually fight for. Hes a tragic character and has the burden of certainty. He def feels like that one friend we know doenst talk to anyone else, and we always invite him out, but in this case was to kill nerevar and achive godhood (fake, but still counts i guess)
hes my all time favourite character in ES ❤
That bit about 2E 582 hit me so hard, holy shit...
It's so bad, it's been 10 years like give me a CRUMB of a timeline please.
@@theemerdareloth Unlikely since the start of the timeline (base game) is a fucking mess that gets messier with each expansion built on top of it.
And that's not even factoring in Cyrodil/IC, ZOS's "favorite" topic.
I still think its was such a shame we didnt get more or anything :D of Sil in vanilla/dlc Morrowind. Was the nr1 "Gods" I wanted to know more of.
Just what I needed
It's kinda funny how almost every time I see a video involving ESO lore, there will always be a point in the video where the author lets out a deep sigh.
Had to vent a little bit about Nocturnal's treatment
ESO simultaneously has some of the best and worst TES lore
cool video, its nice to learn some more deep lore of Nirn, and nice voice!
Imagine one day waking up with red eyes, gray skin and a voice that sounds like you smoked 2 hunnit packs of smokes the day before... All because 3 jerks you've never made killed their chad friend and pissed off the wrong deity.
Oh gods yes, this is a truly awesome video, giving breath to a character that always felt like it was missing.
There was one sentence that got caught by my brain, that Vivec wanted to be "all things", I remember his hermaphroditic nature to be brought up more than once online, but what others ways did this show up?
Great video! Def my favorite of the Tibubal
Do Almalexia/Ayem, "The Lady of Mercy" next.
Ah, my favorite character, Dumac Dawrf King 3:46
I think Set has such a deterministic outlook because he's in a computer game. That might sound weird, but his fellow tribune Vivec is aware that the world he lives in doesn't exist. This idea is called Chim, Vivec doesn't understand code, but sees the universe as part of the godheads dream. Those who achieve Chim become dreamers themselves, aware of the falsehood of the reality they live in, those who can't handle this zero sum and cease to exist.
Hyperlogical Sotha Sil is not as arrogant as Vivec to come to such a conclusion, but as a god he can probably see a bit that his life is predestined, because it is by the writers, game designers and coders.
Sotha and his city is what literally forced me into ESO.
I played it during beta in 2013 and h(ated every minute of it, then tried to come back with Morrowind (bought it and never played), then finally with the Clockwork City I grabbed my level one sorc and endured all the Clockwork timeline and it was sooo enjoyable I stayed in game for yrs!
Till this day Clockwork city is my absolute favorite. They did a great justice to the story of Sotha, can't say the same about other Tribunal. Vivec story was not even about him per se, and Alma I don't even remember doing because of how bland and boring it was.
But Clockwork? Masterpiece in design and storytelling.
I loved the video, and agree that Sotha Sil is such an interesting character. Way back in 2002 he intrigued me and i was gutted we never got to talk to him then.
As an incredibly minor quibble, unless memory fails me, Almalexia killing him took place during the Tribunal dlc, not before, as she had to use the ring the Nerevarine obtained for her to breach the clockwork city. I hope i'm not talking out of my ass here, because to me it added to how disturbing her madness was, that while manipulating the hell out of your character, she also went on a side quest to kill a fellow god.
Ahh, yeah I may have goofed up the timeline slightly there. I'm playing through Tribunal right now on the channel. About to get Barilzar's Mazed Band soon here.
Truly poetic how he used dwemer tools in pursuit of the opposite goal.
Sad he fell for gnostic delusion - bane of all elves it seems.
Also reminds me of a nicer, less forceful and more committed version of Viktor from Arcane.
Is this how you honor The Sixth House and The Tribe Unmourned? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. That said, the false god Sotha Sil is the most respectful of the s'wits that form the heretical tribunal.
mfw when i hesr my first snd last name mid video. Absolutely loved this!
A video from Dareloth on my favorite TES character?? I used to dream of days like this...
Though I have a dim view towards the Tribunal, Sotha Sil has my respect. I can relate to wanting to create a more perfect world.
Great content! Hoping to see you cover more of Morrowind lore
This was lovely to listen to
So Sotha Sil is most like me, just in a different world.
I always felt like there is some connection between Sotha Sil and Jyggalag. They both pursue perfect order and go mad in the process. Jyggalag literally by becoming Sheogorath and Sotha Sil by being more and more secluded from society. In Tribunal Sotha Sil is even called mad god but that is actually revealed to be Almalexia. Another connection is that Jyggalag was supposedly feared by other Daedric princes which is why they cursed him with madness and Sotha Sil made 8 Daedric princes to agree on Coldharbour Compact by means that are not public so perhaps they feared him too. It is also said that Jyggalags realm expanded in Oblivion and his realm was ordered so it is similar to Sotha Sils sealing of the gaps where Daedra are.
Absolutely. One of the volumes of the Truth in Sequence actually makes mention of Jyggalag, citing Seht as the reason for his madness. Definitely some connections between the two.
When your Sotha Sil, the clockwork God and member of the tribunal, but your just a chill guy
Tribunal is peak of lore i think❤
It's a high point for sure
Morrowind is my favorite RPG of all time… Wish Bethesda still had people with this level of imagination on staff.
Live Laugh Love Sotha Sil
goated loredump
eso felt like one massive retcon for me. i wish i could get into it, but i just can’t.
I would think it weird if someone forgot where he came from after getting massive power and massively expanded lifespan. Childhood and early youth is filled with the most first expierience memories and is when you form a majority of your opnions and as your skills grow you dont forget your personality.
Vivec directly states that he barely remembers what it was like to be mortal. They've been gods for over 1000 years.
@@theemerdareloth Strange.
God I love dunmer and their related lore
great video !
Very interesting vid. thank you. :)
Out of the entire tribunal sotha sil is the most deserving of forgiveness he sought to lead others to a better life and remembered his humanity through godhood
Also check out the concept art for the murder of nerivar sotha is just there holding nerivars face
great video
Wish we could explore more in depth cities, like what Oblivion had tried.
I hate Almalexia
I wish more people would cosplay her tho.
The lesson is that a leader or in this particular case a God, that has philosophical intentions will never seek power or wealth over it's subjects and will in fact bring prosperity.
Another hit of a video. :)
Keep it real like Sotha-Sil.
As a philosophy major and as someone who has studied a lot of religions, it does sound a lot like pantheism. I can't recall any forms of pantheism that have something aside from god, even if Sothis calls the Daedra nothing. I do really like the idea of Daedra being the crack in reality manifested.
It seems unclear why you wouldn't just lump everything as shards of the divine, when we know that Daedra are not the only beings that do bad stuff so I wouldn't see any worry of tainting the divine and you could simply say they are the gears in need of the most repair.
Jyggalag being a prince of order also seems to throw a wrench in Daedra being unrelated, but Jyggalag is just weird in general lore wise.
Another take on the Determinism angle, this could possibly be a consequence of his apotheosis. You run into contradictions with being able to know everything and having free will. More of an argument against gods, or at least the benefits of being one, than anything else.
great video man, enjoyed it greatly
AK.A.: The only member of the tribunal I have any respect for
November 31st, right on time!
A wizard is never late nor early, a wizard arrives exactly when they mean to.
Great vid! Is this using music from higurashi? I couldnt shake the feeling those discordant strings came from there
They're all tracks from ESO. If I can remember I'll add them to the video description after work.
interesting
so technically even though he died, Sotha Sil's conscience still probably lives in the clockwork city, maybe thats why he didnt care if he "died"
you broke my heart fredo/eso
Nice video, me matey. 😄
3rd watch in one day. Its a good run down though.
Thanks for putting up with all the reuploads haha
@@theemerdareloth Totally worth it. It makes me want to restart my Sotha Sil Rp. I have alot more to use.
THANKS!
The question is what sotha sil possibly offered to princes to accept his terms
I hate that llamalexia kills him. I wish there was a game specifically about the clockwork city.
Honestly the ESO dlc was worth just for his speech at the end
Sotha sil is thoth the atlantian of elder scrolls
Plot twist; Sotha Sil is the omnissiah
I've never played eso so it's awesome seeing this stuff I've never seen
I do recall a peculiar line and need to check but weird implications were said by vivecc in morrowind that arent super trustworthy implying Sil was to reincarnate or be reborn sometime or place else
I'm not well versed in these pieces of lore so I'm a little confused (im barely on my first playthrough of Skyrim, there's lots for me to learn) Did Almalexia remain a Chimer after Azura's curse? If so, why?
She used her God-like powers to remain a Chimer. Her whole personality revolves around being a narcissist essentially, which is represented by her refusing to have Dunmer skin.
@theemerdareloth OHHHH thank u so much! Also I love your lore videos I always listen to them on repeat to sleep
From what i remember, sotha sil seemed like the only one of the tribunal who seemed like a decent guy. Not stuck up or 'oh im a god, look at my godlyness' like vivec and almalexia
Signal boost buddy
Will you make a video on Vivec? Vivec is my number 1 Tribunal, Sotha Sil being second and you know who as last, i'm still salty she killed him so i am not saying her name.