Thanks as always Ste. We have something dark (again) for our next one on Monday. One we have covered in a podcast but never gone out to film, until now that is.
Thanks for the sub Tom! Hope you will find the other videos interesting. I must point out, we are no experts and will occasionally make mistakes, but we try our best.
Such a sad story 😢 thanks for sharing Chris and Vicky. Obviously there must have been a problem with Charles, maybe he was suffering from depression. 🙏🙏🙏
Hi guys, just watched this one, was pre disposed Monday. From what I've read, being labelled Felo-de-se, he was fortunate to be buried in a cemetery. The phrase means felon against the self and therefore being a suicide he could have been buried in secrecy and normally at a crossroads. Also, as a sort of mark against the person, his property would be taken by the crown and not inherited. By 1911, it was more common to be non compos mentis.
It was the early 1800s, possibly 1823, according to a few online sources, when the last known burial at a crossroad was made. I think many acts came into place after that, including ones that changed how suicide victims were to be treated.
@@avabartramcookiemonster9802 Chorley! I've never seen or come across that version of Charley (or Charlie) before. Interesting what information does come up when looking into these stories.
If you’re SUPER keen to get on the embankment you can trek down from Rosegrove station or up from the barracks or Manchester road I guess. Grove probably easiest and quietest.
Great video as always. Shame you didn't find a headstone....I know that feeling well. Loved the route through the streets in the footsteps of Charles. All the best 👍
Burnley hasn't been good to us in regards of the headstones. We find the final resting places but hardly any headstones there. Good to see you out all over the place. The stories you have covered are remarkable! Keep it going 😀
The first time I've heard of that term felo-de-se, always learning. The effort to piece these stories together is incredible, and it's interesting to see the same path taken. Most people in that area won't have a clue about what took place there in 1911. Nice to see some of the old buildings, railway bridge and cobbles still remain.
Watched this.. really interesting.. used to live near there.. the stories and events people dont know about their own areas, hey.. like how you showed whats left of our old cobbled roads too.. they should untarmac alot of them.. do wonders for visitors seeing our history.
It was an all to common occurrence all those years ago. I guess it could be labelled as domestic abuse? After all, Alice had put a court order on Charles to try and keep him away from her, so something must have happened prior in their marriage. i would hazard a guess?
An interesting yet tragic story thanks. Did you manage to find the grave of Charles Laffan's father? Charles senior lead quite an eventful life himself by all accounts. He was in the Royal Navy and in 1857 he was sent aboard the ship The Sarah Sands to quell an Indian mutiny. Ironically the conditions on the ship were that poor that there was a mutinous revolt, and to make matters worse the ship caught fire in the Indian Ocean. The crew, however, were able to steer the ship in very trying conditions to the island of Mauritius to receive "a heroes' welcome" when the ship limped into port. Charles and the crew of the Sarah Sands received military medals for the action (Long Service and Good Conduct Medal, Meritorious Service Medal and Mutiny Medal). He was buried in Burnley Cemetery in 1921 with military honours. Seems such a sharp contrast to the life of his son. I was wondering whether his father's naval experiences had a bearing on Charles junior's actions? Maybe he was seen as such a hero that his son felt inadequate in some way? Or maybe he was a strict disciplinarian given his 41 years of naval service and that had an affect on him? Sorry for the long comment but as you'll know yourself, once you start exploring these stories they get more fascinating the more you delve into them!
Don't apologise, this info is fantastic! I just replied to the family relative saying it would be good to look into young Charlie's career as a policeman as there might be some tales there.
Another excellent video. Very well explained. Iv been plugging your channel in a couple of other channels lives. The lovely jaya dee shared your link in a live paranormal by the sea. And John at raven paranormal gave you a shout out.
Yep, we were going to talk about how the area has changed, well, we did mention it on camera, but did didn't use the footage in the end. But so much has changed in that place.
Greetings from Scotland. Recently found your show and hooked on it. Great research work. My maternal grandfather committed suicide in 1925 by drinking Lysol...bleach. He was 28 years old: my mother was 18 months old at the time.
What a strange story. Something clearly happened where he then made the attack. Thinking he had killed her took his own life. But why? What happened that day? Great presentation guys 😊
Hello I’m sure there was a footbridge over the railway at the end of peace street so maybe the police officer and Charles did not have to scale the wall they could have got on the embankment from opening in the footbridge
The only thing we read was that he scaled a wallmtomget over onto the embankment, BUT newspaper reports from that period are known to get things wrong. So you could well be right with that 😀
Another great story Chris your research is second to none.Im amazed how you find the locations and the graves.Well done mate,keep 'em coming!👍👏👏
Thanks as always Ste. We have something dark (again) for our next one on Monday. One we have covered in a podcast but never gone out to film, until now that is.
I’ll be watching this tonight when it gets dark.
Another good story. Sad.
Well done for covering this sad and tragic story Chris and Vicky 👍
Cheers, Mick. We really enjoyed putting this one together and adding some new overlays, etc., to the video.
Great workmanship guys at least he. Wont hurt any one again he took the cowards way. Out . I hope wife find happiness in the end poor lady and kids
Another interesting tale from the past guys
Just subscribed very interesting thx.
Thanks for the sub Tom! Hope you will find the other videos interesting. I must point out, we are no experts and will occasionally make mistakes, but we try our best.
Such a sad story 😢 thanks for sharing Chris and Vicky. Obviously there must have been a problem with Charles, maybe he was suffering from depression. 🙏🙏🙏
Hi guys, just watched this one, was pre disposed Monday.
From what I've read, being labelled Felo-de-se, he was fortunate to be buried in a cemetery. The phrase means felon against the self and therefore being a suicide he could have been buried in secrecy and normally at a crossroads. Also, as a sort of mark against the person, his property would be taken by the crown and not inherited.
By 1911, it was more common to be non compos mentis.
It was the early 1800s, possibly 1823, according to a few online sources, when the last known burial at a crossroad was made. I think many acts came into place after that, including ones that changed how suicide victims were to be treated.
Well done Chris and Vicky...great job,Thank You.
Thank you again for letting us cover it. Such an intriguing story. It would be good to possibly look into young Charlie and his career as a policeman.
Chorley...apparently.
@@avabartramcookiemonster9802 Chorley! I've never seen or come across that version of Charley (or Charlie) before. Interesting what information does come up when looking into these stories.
If you’re SUPER keen to get on the embankment you can trek down from Rosegrove station or up from the barracks or Manchester road I guess. Grove probably easiest and quietest.
Great video as always. Shame you didn't find a headstone....I know that feeling well. Loved the route through the streets in the footsteps of Charles. All the best 👍
Burnley hasn't been good to us in regards of the headstones. We find the final resting places but hardly any headstones there.
Good to see you out all over the place. The stories you have covered are remarkable! Keep it going 😀
Thanks for another well presented story of the past. 👍
Cheers Paul 🍻
The first time I've heard of that term felo-de-se, always learning. The effort to piece these stories together is incredible, and it's interesting to see the same path taken. Most people in that area won't have a clue about what took place there in 1911. Nice to see some of the old buildings, railway bridge and cobbles still remain.
It's the same in most town and villages - loads of history that could be unearthed and I reckon some stories will make for great videos.
Watched this.. really interesting.. used to live near there.. the stories and events people dont know about their own areas, hey.. like how you showed whats left of our old cobbled roads too.. they should untarmac alot of them.. do wonders for visitors seeing our history.
Thanks guys,great video.❤ it is tragic.
It was an all to common occurrence all those years ago. I guess it could be labelled as domestic abuse? After all, Alice had put a court order on Charles to try and keep him away from her, so something must have happened prior in their marriage. i would hazard a guess?
An interesting yet tragic story thanks. Did you manage to find the grave of Charles Laffan's father? Charles senior lead quite an eventful life himself by all accounts. He was in the Royal Navy and in 1857 he was sent aboard the ship The Sarah Sands to quell an Indian mutiny. Ironically the conditions on the ship were that poor that there was a mutinous revolt, and to make matters worse the ship caught fire in the Indian Ocean. The crew, however, were able to steer the ship in very trying conditions to the island of Mauritius to receive "a heroes' welcome" when the ship limped into port. Charles and the crew of the Sarah Sands received military medals for the action (Long Service and Good Conduct Medal, Meritorious Service Medal and Mutiny Medal). He was buried in Burnley Cemetery in 1921 with military honours. Seems such a sharp contrast to the life of his son. I was wondering whether his father's naval experiences had a bearing on Charles junior's actions? Maybe he was seen as such a hero that his son felt inadequate in some way? Or maybe he was a strict disciplinarian given his 41 years of naval service and that had an affect on him? Sorry for the long comment but as you'll know yourself, once you start exploring these stories they get more fascinating the more you delve into them!
Don't apologise, this info is fantastic! I just replied to the family relative saying it would be good to look into young Charlie's career as a policeman as there might be some tales there.
Great story thanks
Thanks for watching Mick. Really enjoyed putting this one together as it feels like an age since we went back in time to cover a story like this.
You walked past my childhood home
Another excellent video. Very well explained.
Iv been plugging your channel in a couple of other channels lives.
The lovely jaya dee shared your link in a live paranormal by the sea.
And John at raven paranormal gave you a shout out.
Much appreciated Jonboy! We never take for granted people who share our vidoes and we can only thank them (you) for doing so :-)
Thank you Chris and Vickie very sad part of history well done 👏👏👏👏
Glad you enjoyed it. Thx
Oh no way you were near my house in this video I live about minutes away just off gannow lane
A couple of people have said the same 😆 Plus, I work with a colleague who lives in that area of Burnley.
You should do the Trevor Hardy story !
Such a tragic thing to happen and I think it obviouse the man was deeply depressed
Love these story’s of history and you have a nice voice to tell them with.
Watching now x
See you guys 😊
For anyone wondering where Napier street is now, it’s the Happy Eater roundabout at Junction 10 of the M65
Yep, we were going to talk about how the area has changed, well, we did mention it on camera, but did didn't use the footage in the end. But so much has changed in that place.
Greetings from Scotland. Recently found your show and hooked on it. Great research work. My maternal grandfather committed suicide in 1925 by drinking Lysol...bleach. He was 28 years old: my mother was 18 months old at the time.
I am sorry to hear about you grandfather, horrific isn't it 😢. Thank you for enjoying and watching pur content there in Scotland.
What a strange story. Something clearly happened where he then made the attack. Thinking he had killed her took his own life. But why? What happened that day? Great presentation guys 😊
Yes, so many unanswered questions, thanks Diddy for watching abd commenting from Chris & Vickie 😀
Hello I’m sure there was a footbridge over the railway at the end of peace street so maybe the police officer and Charles did not have to scale the wall they could have got on the embankment from opening in the footbridge
The only thing we read was that he scaled a wallmtomget over onto the embankment, BUT newspaper reports from that period are known to get things wrong. So you could well be right with that 😀
We had cobblled streets up to 1968
I love it when we still find the old cobbles peeking through. Gives a sense of how old these places are.
We still do at the back lane of our house 😊
Those streets were only knocked down 15 years ago or so…
Edit: Fielding street that is
I think sometimes there was no headstone or marker if the deceased died by their own hand being against the Christian faith.
I think you are right with that.
Could it have been a revenge attack around the death of is son somehow.
I suppose you could call it suicide by guilt.