Wow: United Airlines Boeing 767 Suffers Wrinkled Fuselage After Hard Landing

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  • Опубліковано 10 сер 2023
  • We know that hard landings can be unpleasant - and even hazardous for those onboard an aircraft. But typically, airframes are designed to handle hard landings…welll…within limits.
    A recent incident out of Houston saw a landing so hard that it resulted some wrinkles and tears to the fuselage! Let’s look at this United Airlines Boeing 767 incident for today’s video!
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  • @boeinkarlee5743
    @boeinkarlee5743 10 місяців тому +120

    A cool fact. This airframe was painted in 5 generations of United Livery throughout her career with the airline

    • @__8868
      @__8868 10 місяців тому +1

      IT

    • @peterebel7899
      @peterebel7899 10 місяців тому +7

      The airframe is glad to be retired ...

    • @brentboswell1294
      @brentboswell1294 9 місяців тому +12

      It almost survived long enough to get painted into the Amazon livery 😅

    • @cellpat2686
      @cellpat2686 9 місяців тому +1

      True. It also had the new livery on it already.

    • @leandro804
      @leandro804 3 дні тому

      ​@@peterebel7899 it's still suffering

  • @TC.C
    @TC.C 10 місяців тому +10

    United needs to stop using Ryan Air’s training DVD when teaching their pilots how to land 😂

  • @unholylordpeanut5161
    @unholylordpeanut5161 10 місяців тому +18

    this is most definitely an ANA 767 moment

  • @jakejacobs7584
    @jakejacobs7584 10 місяців тому +41

    The airline I worked for had two bent 767 fuselage events. Both, more than twenty years ago. As I recall, they were bounced landings followed by nose gear touchdown with the mains still in the air. Auto spoilers were required for all normal landings after those events.

    • @resistdisinformation9931
      @resistdisinformation9931 9 місяців тому

      Thanks for sharing your information with us here. Appreciated!

    • @quillmaurer6563
      @quillmaurer6563 9 місяців тому

      What came of them afterward - were they repaired or scrapped? I'd imagine repairing airframe damage like this would be quite expensive.

    • @deruberschwarze3943
      @deruberschwarze3943 2 місяці тому

      Porpoise combined with wheelbarrow. Real stunt flying there...

  • @imathreat209
    @imathreat209 10 місяців тому +126

    (Insert Ryan Air jokes here)

    • @MrReddFlames
      @MrReddFlames 10 місяців тому

      Someonr

    • @ilmarilah1195
      @ilmarilah1195 10 місяців тому +3

      Hahahaha😂💀🤣💀🤣💀

    • @GeoStreber
      @GeoStreber 10 місяців тому +17

      Normal airline: "50, 40, 30, 20, 10"
      Ryan Air: "Terrain ahead, pull up! Terrain ahead, pull up!"

    • @ahmadtheaviationlover1937
      @ahmadtheaviationlover1937 10 місяців тому +2

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @YPRTheTrainFan
      @YPRTheTrainFan 10 місяців тому +3

      🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑LOL HAHHAHHAHHAHAH 🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑🪑

  • @eamonahern7495
    @eamonahern7495 10 місяців тому +43

    I'd be surprised if they _don't_ retire it. The hardest landing I can remember was on a turboprop plane landing at Kerry airport many years ago. It was at night and I had dozed off. The landing woke me and there were audible expressions from other passengers.

    • @thespeedypatriot6201
      @thespeedypatriot6201 10 місяців тому +6

      Honestly if I were the CEO I’d definitely retire that plane, the 767’s are already planned to be retired in the next 7 years anyway

    • @AlexG31
      @AlexG31 10 місяців тому +2

      @@thespeedypatriot6201 Your reasoning being?

    • @thespeedypatriot6201
      @thespeedypatriot6201 10 місяців тому +3

      @@AlexG31 I just said, they’re retiring their 767 fleet soon anyway, 7 years is not a long time, that’s not even enough time for a baby to go from infant to graduating elementary

    • @jean-lucblanc4605
      @jean-lucblanc4605 10 місяців тому +2

      @@thespeedypatriot6201 yeah it makes little sense to fix that plane as the costs will probably be higher than it's potential revenue for those few years

    • @johnhaller5851
      @johnhaller5851 10 місяців тому +7

      Apparently, this was not the first nose-wheel first landing resulting in significant hull damage, it was repaired the first time. While they do want to replace it by the end of the decade, it doesn't mean they want to do it now. Much depends on how much it costs to repair vs the expected revenue after getting fixed vs other options like buying a used replacement and redoing the interior and exterior.

  • @MarkUKInsects
    @MarkUKInsects 10 місяців тому +30

    Its old age, so you would expect wrinkles 😉

    • @hubnz
      @hubnz 10 місяців тому +2

      There are some powerfully rejuvenating skincare products out there...

    • @Kandsmerlin
      @Kandsmerlin 9 місяців тому +1

      Best comment ever! Made my day... LOL

  • @cellpat2686
    @cellpat2686 10 місяців тому +14

    The age of the plane and that UA placed a big order of 787s to replace these, leads us to the conclusion that N641UA will more than likely be retired. It joins N646UA which was retired with extensive rust about 2 years ago.
    Sad to see it end that way but that's aviation.

    • @thebman712
      @thebman712 10 місяців тому +4

      Certainly with it being the oldest 777 300er in the fleet it was likely one of the first candidates for retirement soon anyways

    • @cellpat2686
      @cellpat2686 10 місяців тому +1

      @@thebman712 yes, very true

    • @get2dachoppa249
      @get2dachoppa249 9 місяців тому

      Hope that one of those companies that manufacture those aircraft skin tags gets some skin off of it when it does get sent to the boneyard.

    • @leandro804
      @leandro804 3 дні тому

      I'm quite impressed to say it's still in service

  • @m3redgt
    @m3redgt 10 місяців тому +4

    Anything else but retiring a 32yo airframe after such an impact would be plain irresponsible

  • @andrewdrone
    @andrewdrone 10 місяців тому +5

    Probably a lot of cycles on that airframe

  • @jlmarc01
    @jlmarc01 10 місяців тому +4

    Southwest landings at Burbank always tough

    • @mattg.8139
      @mattg.8139 10 місяців тому

      I flew into Burbank on Southwest back in May and had heard about the rough landings there, but we must have got lucky because ours seemed to go pretty smooth and normal.

  • @skymuffn
    @skymuffn 9 місяців тому +2

    …having been once a UAL SFOSW who did a slew of United Shuttle back in the day, hard landings were few and far between. In those instances I usually state on my arrival PA announcement, “Navy”!

  • @MykelBBY1
    @MykelBBY1 9 місяців тому +4

    About 30 years ago, I was on a Delta Airlines B-727 flight from Dallas to San Antonio. Wow!! We landed really hard! The next day, I was on a Delta Airlines B-727 flight from San Antonio to Dallas. I glanced into the cockpit upon boarding, and I'll be darned, it was the same crew. The flight was uneventful until landing when we hit the ground really, really hard. We hit so hard that most of the oxygen masks fell from the ceiling. The Captain was standing outside the cockpit wishing everyone a good day and the guy in front of me suggested that he look back into the cabin. He went back into the cockpit and shut the door. That plane was likely out of service for a day or two and the Captain had some serious 'splainin' to do.

    • @resistdisinformation9931
      @resistdisinformation9931 9 місяців тому

      Great story! Thanks for sharing this with us here! I am glad that you survived too!!

  • @Tpr_1808
    @Tpr_1808 10 місяців тому +6

    Reminds me of the ANA 767

    • @N537CA
      @N537CA 10 місяців тому +1

      It's JA610A

  • @mrsolotraveler8808
    @mrsolotraveler8808 10 місяців тому +16

    WOW... I am sure they will retire this 767 due to its age. I would like to know the reason behind such a hard landing.

    • @tangobayus
      @tangobayus 10 місяців тому +6

      Vaccinated pilot?

    • @gpaull2
      @gpaull2 10 місяців тому +7

      @@tangobayus- Time to give it up and let it go. You’re like SpongeBob and his ripped pants. 🙄

    • @crazylife726
      @crazylife726 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@tangobayusEnough of that simple wishful thinking

    • @dannychan6202
      @dannychan6202 10 місяців тому

      You are not a clown. You are the entire circus.

  • @NovaScotiaKevin
    @NovaScotiaKevin 10 місяців тому +1

    GOOD ONE, SWAYNE!

  • @noahglavan
    @noahglavan 10 місяців тому +1

    This is the exact same thing what All nippon airways did since 10 years ago. When the boeing 767 did a hard landing at Tokyo.

  • @2011Diggerfan
    @2011Diggerfan 10 місяців тому +9

    The hardest landing I’ve experienced was heading to Orlando and coming back flying with Southwest. The 737 landed pretty hard. However, I don’t think it caused any damage.

  • @Roboseal2
    @Roboseal2 10 місяців тому +4

    The hardest landing Ive ever been on was a United CRJ-200 to little rock. I didn't realize this was a very common thing with that type of aircraft but I think the pilot landed a little harder than he needed to.

  • @Sabrameteor
    @Sabrameteor 10 місяців тому +1

    2 years ago on board Ethiopian airlines from Johannesburg to Beirut we experienced the hardest landing at Ethiopia’s airport Addis Ababa and I recall passengers screaming after landing…idk what happened to the plane cause there wasn’t any incidents about it but I remember it being rough.

  • @RonPiggott
    @RonPiggott 10 місяців тому

    Wow. I wasn't expecting this today.

  • @hoangnguyenviet9535
    @hoangnguyenviet9535 10 місяців тому +5

    I have had just a few flights but a most recent one in a E190 of Bamboo Airway back in June was surprisingly hard to me when I feel that the pilots had had to push the plane onto the runway after a short glide on the runway. Dunno whether the small size of the jet made me feel it worse than landings of bigger ones or not

    • @corecombat26
      @corecombat26 9 місяців тому +1

      E190 của bamboo đa số bay mấy chặng ngắn, sân bay đường băng nhỏ nên phi công phải hạ cánh chắc ăn sao cho không chạy quá đường băng. Vì vậy nên mới xóc, chứ sân bay to thì có thời gian canh chỉnh tốt hơn

  • @FrewstonBooks
    @FrewstonBooks 10 місяців тому +4

    I remember a VERY hard landing in an Air Canada DC9 in Ottawa back in the '80s. Runway covered in wet snow, so the pilot deliberately landed hard. Problem was I think he landed harder than he intended. Plane seemed OK in taxi to the gate, but no idea whether there was any permanent damage.

    • @coldlakealta4043
      @coldlakealta4043 10 місяців тому

      our beloved Air Can - mediocrity in the air, worse on the ground

  • @ThexMJT
    @ThexMJT 10 місяців тому +2

    I miss 767's. Never really see them in the UK (local airport to me)

  • @MrPoinzee
    @MrPoinzee 10 місяців тому +3

    I experienced a hard landing on an American Airlines flight to Trinidad aboard a (drum role pls) Boeing 767-300er. Concerning this situation, I'll be surprised if United brings this old bird back in the air even though in my humble opinion this plane holds sentimental value of being the oldest 767-300er in United's fleet.

  • @ImNotPotus
    @ImNotPotus 10 місяців тому

    SCENE: OPENS TO RYANAIR LANDING while narration talks about hard landings.....chefs kiss.

  • @outermarker5801
    @outermarker5801 10 місяців тому

    Yup, on a 763 into Miami. Not a pleasant end to a long flight from London. Funny enough the second hardest was a 762 into Fort Lauderdale, but that one was understandable given the wet conditions.

  • @Rev1Kev
    @Rev1Kev 9 місяців тому +1

    Didn’t Alaska Airlines recently have a hard landing with one of its 737’s, pushed its left main gear thru the wing.

  • @i.r.wayright1457
    @i.r.wayright1457 9 місяців тому +1

    We all get wrinkles as we age. How many cycles of pressurization on the plane? I remember riding in the last seat to the tail in an MD-80. It was a little disconcerting watching the aft section swing around like a fish tail as we taxied along a rough taxiway. I don' think they could have stretched that model anther 1/2".

  • @errorsofmodernism7331
    @errorsofmodernism7331 10 місяців тому +1

    It is scrap now. It sounds like the structure might have been previously weakened since the passengers and crew reported the landing as normal.

    • @leandro804
      @leandro804 3 дні тому

      love reading this while this exact plane is 1 hour away from Washington

  • @marcschouten3527
    @marcschouten3527 9 місяців тому

    Ive had a hard landing in Corfu but that was really windy. The place I’ve had regular hard landings is in Jakarta on Garuda flights. They come in much faster than other planes to the point that the speed is noticeable as a passenger and of course a rough landing as a result.

  • @mattg.8139
    @mattg.8139 10 місяців тому +8

    I was on a United Flight to Cancun last year and had a really hard landing. I remember looking out the window as we were coming in for the landing and thinking that we seemed to be going really fast for a landing. Then the plane hit the ground so hard I thought for sure there had to be damage to it. It was really quiet on the plane for a few moments after with everyone just looking around to see if we were ok. The only other landing that sticks out was a Southwest landing in Chicago Midway that they were braking so hard that the seat belt was the only thing keeping me from hitting the seat in front of me.

    • @explorenaked
      @explorenaked 10 місяців тому +2

      The pilot really wanted to get to that time share presentation.

    • @kentofmississippi
      @kentofmississippi 10 місяців тому

      Hot and long landings can make landing smoother, but it can go the other way too. All in the pilot's wrists.

  • @wizardry.wealth
    @wizardry.wealth 10 місяців тому +11

    The 1st time this happened, was with an ANA Boeing 767.

    • @guyhahn1256
      @guyhahn1256 10 місяців тому

      So, no airliner ever had a hard landing that resulted in a buckled airframe, especially not an airbus, sure

    • @artrandy
      @artrandy 10 місяців тому +1

      @@guyhahn1256
      Unbelievable, its now the fault of Airbus........😀😀........

    • @guyhahn1256
      @guyhahn1256 10 місяців тому

      @@artrandy I did not imply it is airbus fault, just a comment on how people react to boeing related news

  • @Sacto1654
    @Sacto1654 10 місяців тому +2

    That 767-300ER will be "patched up" and sent to a boneyard for parting out. Cheaper than repairing the plane.

  • @FLT111
    @FLT111 10 місяців тому

    Happened to ANA 767 once too.. Video available on UA-cam

  • @VypreStrike
    @VypreStrike 10 місяців тому +4

    At 2:48 there’s an image that I think is supposed to be another angle of the damage to the plane. United doesn’t have an A in its name as you can see on the fuselage, and also that door is a 757 door, not a 767 door. Could that be another incident with another airline?

    • @illinialumni
      @illinialumni 10 місяців тому

      Certainly looks like DELTA Livery there! It's a 32 year old air frame that has gone through 1000s if not 10s of 1000s cycles and landings. Metal fatigues over time in response to cyclic forces. It may very well be that this landing was not disproportionately hard - just unlucky for the pilot. I hope that's the case and that the pilot doesn't lose their job.

    • @bandbigred
      @bandbigred 10 місяців тому +3

      Probably the Delta 757 that did. the same thing a couple years ago.
      No surprise at simple flying including it, their quality has taken a huge dive the last 6 months.

  • @jwil4286
    @jwil4286 9 місяців тому

    😓
    Another happy landing!

  • @brucebaker3523
    @brucebaker3523 10 місяців тому +1

    Had one extremely hard landing in a 747 which felt like a carrier landing. Hard to believe a passenger plane could absorb that much abuse.

  • @kentofmississippi
    @kentofmississippi 10 місяців тому

    I've never had a hard landing, but we have caught a thermal before while landing and I heard some choice words quickly shouted out of surprise.

  • @axilleas
    @axilleas 10 місяців тому +1

    Flex tape should make it good as new

  • @r12004rewy
    @r12004rewy 10 місяців тому +1

    I find it surprising that a company as big as United are still operating aircraft of this age, I remember flying on a 23 year old 747 just before Covid and I thought that was ancient.

    • @benjya
      @benjya 9 місяців тому

      The major airlines often have older planes in their fleets (albeit they will have been refurbished during their lifetime). The low cost carriers (eg EasyJet and Ryanair in Europe) tend to have very young fleets.

  • @beachhouse13
    @beachhouse13 10 місяців тому +1

    What is really interesting to me is the location of the buckling. We never see a full picture of the plane, but assuming the livery is consistent with others, this happened in front of the wings. This part is being pulled on the top half and squished on the bottom as long as the front wheel is not down. Once down, that switches and the top be being squeezed and the bottom is pulled. The buckling shown is a failure of being squeezed (exactly the same as crushing a can). Typically, hard landings are when the main gear touches down. But again, the forces are in the wrong direction at this point on the plane. So basically, the front was slammed down. I've never had a hard front gear touchdown.

    • @merzto
      @merzto 9 місяців тому

      It might have bounced the main gear

    • @deruberschwarze3943
      @deruberschwarze3943 2 місяці тому

      ...so even with 'bitchin' Betty' screaming at them to pull up, the dungbrains managed to fly it into the ground.

  • @evansoul9248
    @evansoul9248 9 місяців тому +1

    Appears Ryanair is receiving competition .

  • @just_kookie
    @just_kookie 10 місяців тому +1

    First, also I love the videos, keep it going!

  • @hongliangliu8742
    @hongliangliu8742 10 місяців тому +2

    2:48 Says Delta?

  • @user-bp8yg3ko1r
    @user-bp8yg3ko1r 10 місяців тому

    Indeed, a very hard landing

  • @mrthomaslaux1
    @mrthomaslaux1 9 місяців тому

    Can they fix it or its salvage?

  • @RonPiggott
    @RonPiggott 10 місяців тому +2

    Unless there is more to United Airlines statement than reported here their PR team danced around the facts. I would have more respect for them if they acknowledged the damage to the fuselage like everyone was inevitably going to see courtesy of social media. I don't wish to undermine that people got off the plane normally. This is a very weak PR statement when social media is able to show the actual damage. I would have much preferred United Airlines to say something like "Our flight _______ to Houston Texas landed hard. We apologize for any discomfort the passengers on this flight experienced. As a result of the hard landing the fuselage wrinkled. When the reasons this occurred have been fully assessed we will follow up with how customers what actions we are able to take in the hopes of preventing this in the future. We apologize for our mistake and wish to thank the staff and facilities at the Houston airport for assisting our customers upon landing."

    • @johnhaller5851
      @johnhaller5851 10 місяців тому

      It's not a hard landing, just a bad one with a bounce off the mains and then landing nose first. Someone may have put the nose down too fast after the bounce, but United isn't going to throw their pilot under the bus ... yet. Particularly before the pilots vote on a new contact.

  • @Perich29
    @Perich29 10 місяців тому

    I've experience that on Hawaiian Air Boeing 767 300 everyone on the plane screamed after we hit the runway hard at PHX.

  • @jasonw98
    @jasonw98 10 місяців тому

    Houston, we have a problem here!

  • @RonPiggott
    @RonPiggott 10 місяців тому

    That is a very quick way to put an airplane in to a 'D' servicing. (Heavy where the plane is overhauled.

  • @ctdrone
    @ctdrone 5 місяців тому

    Looks like this AF has been repaired and will return to service!

  • @gnryushi
    @gnryushi 10 місяців тому

    Is the frame compromised in any way?

  • @well-blazeredman6187
    @well-blazeredman6187 10 місяців тому

    It'll polish out.

  • @HiIexist2803
    @HiIexist2803 10 місяців тому

    One hard landing i can think of is
    Alaska airlines 737-900 from Tampa to Seattle on landing there was bad weather and he hit the ground pretty hard

  • @camf7522
    @camf7522 10 місяців тому

    Are the flying pilots grounded pending the various investigations?
    Is it likely the airframe is unrepairable?

  • @maegenyoungs2591
    @maegenyoungs2591 10 місяців тому +2

    They rip out all the seats and put a bridge like structure to keep the skin from being used to support the load to fly to a destination to repair it, they can pressurize the cockpit higher the cabin area to make the flight

    • @dmcr9525
      @dmcr9525 10 місяців тому +1

      Not really worth the trouble for this aircraft in question. Its on the chopping block anyway as new 787's are coming in to replace it.

    • @ostrich67
      @ostrich67 9 місяців тому

      ​or a ferry flight to the boneyard.

  • @mrkc10
    @mrkc10 10 місяців тому

    Interesting. This same thing happened a couple years ago to a United 757.

    • @michaelsandor5349
      @michaelsandor5349 10 місяців тому

      When the video to 2:50 there is the picture of a B757 with wrinkled skin. The aircraft door in the video gives it away.

    • @mikethompson3534
      @mikethompson3534 9 місяців тому

      United is going through a tough time finding new pilots as well as decent mechanics

  • @romangeber
    @romangeber 10 місяців тому +1

    Did they break any guitars?

  • @silverback3633
    @silverback3633 9 місяців тому +1

    How about the pilot who was flying his plane?

  • @UNC5Crown
    @UNC5Crown 10 місяців тому +2

    Ok so how does RyanAir still have their entire fleet-?

  • @filledwithvariousknowledge2747
    @filledwithvariousknowledge2747 10 місяців тому +7

    It’s ok the captain was just trying to outcompete Ryanair

  • @RealScarKnight
    @RealScarKnight 10 місяців тому +1

    The video starts with Ryanair , its like they have officially changed the term “hard landing “ to “rayan air landing “😂😂

  • @khg8519
    @khg8519 10 місяців тому

    Dont think they would have any procedures to repair this level of damage

  • @grriceman782
    @grriceman782 10 місяців тому +3

    Probably time to retire it …
    Unfortunately United just refurbished the interior in January 23

  • @softwaresignals
    @softwaresignals 9 місяців тому

    You'd think there would have been some injuries on board. .

  • @16480287
    @16480287 10 місяців тому

    No problem to fix ! Just apply Plexaderm to remove wrinkles !

  • @TheUtuber999
    @TheUtuber999 9 місяців тому

    If the airline decides to retire the plane, I'm wondering how they plan to move it. Will it be flown away by a crew with ba... nerves of steel, disassembled into pieces or...?

  • @brianedwards7142
    @brianedwards7142 10 місяців тому

    Mrs Doyle: I'll just iron that for you, Father.

  • @SKYSTAR767
    @SKYSTAR767 10 місяців тому

    Egypt air had the same problem at JFK many years ago.

  • @diegoaccord
    @diegoaccord 10 місяців тому

    This plane had an engine shutdown a few months ago according to a quick search.

  • @wadehiggins1114
    @wadehiggins1114 10 місяців тому +1

    That pilot was training for ryanair

  • @markiangooley
    @markiangooley 10 місяців тому

    That will probably not buff out!

  • @ManuelGarcia-ww7gj
    @ManuelGarcia-ww7gj 9 місяців тому

    No passenger injuries or complaints? Something is wrong with that particular airframe.

  • @cutedoggojet
    @cutedoggojet 10 місяців тому

    When the guy shows a hard landing" That is a ryanair butter

  • @marv6017
    @marv6017 10 місяців тому +6

    Certainly not an expert here but if the statements about an uneventful flight and normal landing are accurate the buckling in the airframe is certainly very concerning and more serious than stated!
    I have seen airframe separating and snapping loose during a plane crash and this look short of that. For such an old aircraft, the question is “Was it structural failure?” Curious to hear what the investigation uncovers?

    • @kentofmississippi
      @kentofmississippi 10 місяців тому

      Right when they said it was a 767 my first thought was "oh cool a 76" then my second thought was "oh geez there's your problem."

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 10 місяців тому

      That sort of damage is from loads imposed on the structure, rather than a defect in the structure.
      If you are thinking of that MD-80 that broke its tail off on landing, that was during a flight test where the sink rate was about 1 fps higher than the design number for structural failure. So it simply did what it was designed to : )

  • @michaeldorosz6446
    @michaeldorosz6446 9 місяців тому

    Its Its not the only one...

  • @agoogleuser8219
    @agoogleuser8219 10 місяців тому +1

    It almost looks like the airplane landed on its main landing gear, bounced up, and touched back down on its nose gear.

  • @chebrubin
    @chebrubin 10 місяців тому

    Long, old, skinny Jets in daily service is dangerous. How there airlines are charging premium fares for Extended Range travel with these old planes is so unfair.

  • @dknowles60
    @dknowles60 9 місяців тому +1

    did the Pilot get Fired

  • @nonsibisedipsi6812
    @nonsibisedipsi6812 10 місяців тому

    Many times, even beeb on one that bounced!

  • @davef.2329
    @davef.2329 10 місяців тому

    Nose gear slammed down too quickly, likely on deployment of auto-spoilers. -200s were notorious for that.

  • @GhostEyeHK
    @GhostEyeHK 10 місяців тому

    ANA: First time?

  • @TheophilusPWildbeest
    @TheophilusPWildbeest 10 місяців тому

    A pilot told me that if a runway is very wet then it is best to put it down firmly to break the surface tension and avoid aquaplaning.

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 10 місяців тому

      It's not literally surface tension, which operates on a much smaller scale, but you/them are correct regarding the firm landing. The other factor which can make a big difference is tire pressure: The higher it is, the stiffer that makes the tire carcass for pushing through the water layer to the pavement. Ok, there's the other other factor of tread depth, same as with a car tire. More is better, with the central groove being the most important.

    • @YouTube.TOM.A
      @YouTube.TOM.A 10 місяців тому

      @@marcmcreynolds2827 these are very unscientific, even non scientific comments and answers. when a jet lands, the speed brakes extend FULLY killing the lifting capability of the wings. An aircraft weighing 145,000 kg on landing will quickly have its rubber wheels in direct contact with the runway surface. Remember most large airports where this aircraft operates will have sloped and grooved runways to prevent accumulation of water

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 9 місяців тому

      @@UA-cam.TOM.A Maybe this would be a good time to sort out who is who. My day-to-day job (some days) involved airliner braking performance analysis during RTOs, normal landings, or performance landings on both dry and contaminated runways. I advised NASA on wet-runway friction issues for Shuttle orbiter landings at KSC. Aviation Week ran a half-page article detailing NASA's implementation of my runway modification recommendation (minus my name, of course ;)
      To your points:
      If the (MLG) tires hydroplane, and it's an airliner for which spoiler deployment works off of wheel spinup rather than a squat switch, then the spoilers won't deploy at touchdown. Not unless manually commanded to do so.
      It would be neat (from the standpoint of my job) if spoiler deployment fully killed wing lift, but it doesn't. I won't throw out a number because there is no one number: It varies with aircraft type and configuration. The other complication is that while spoiler deployment (often "phased" with a dwell in the middle of the deployment rather than immediately going to fully-up) does dramatically reduce wing lift, that's only part of the dynamics equation since spoilers being up or down also changes the pitch moment coefficient (imagining a free-body diagram, think of that as a torque change in the pitch plane).
      Aircraft weight is (for talking purposes) irrelevant. When it comes to whether or not a tire hydroplanes, pressure and forward speed is what matters. A tire is a structure, and how stiff (= pressurized) that structure is will determine its ability to push through standing water to make contact with the pavement. That's not an all-or-nothing proposition: In marginal cases there will be partial hydroplaning, so the tire will spin up but be limited as to the amount of braking force it can provide ( force = contact area x tire pressure x friction coefficient).
      Maximum achievable tire/runway friction can start to drop off immediately with any amount of moisture present. It doesn't even necessarily have to be visible moisture. That's just the physics (a branch called tribology) of what goes on when synthetic rubber rubs across concrete or asphalt. The thicker the water layer the lower the maximum friction coefficient gets, so grooving etc helps but doesn't eliminate the friction reduction. It's also something of a double-whammy, because the lower the available friction coefficient, the less efficient the antiskid system becomes: Deeper brake pressure dumps are needed within each A/S cycle to keep the tire from skidding.
      Hope the above clarifies things.

  • @michaelthompson4269
    @michaelthompson4269 9 місяців тому

    That’s going to make a lot of beer cans!

  • @chrissmith7669
    @chrissmith7669 9 місяців тому +1

    That’s not going to buff out

  • @samspade8612
    @samspade8612 9 місяців тому +1

    Excellent call for the person who noticed the damage. It could've easily been overlooked on such a big aircraft. A catastrophe avoided by and alert person with a keen eye.

  • @cjmillsnun
    @cjmillsnun 10 місяців тому +1

    We know that hard landings can be unpleasant (picture of Ryanair landing) LOL

  • @momiami7974
    @momiami7974 10 місяців тому

    Dang I think the b763 sprained it's back

  • @UQRXD
    @UQRXD 9 місяців тому

    Fly the things till they snap in half.

  • @raleedy
    @raleedy 10 місяців тому

    Content-free.

  • @EdOeuna
    @EdOeuna 10 місяців тому +3

    There’s hard and then there’s hard. To wrinkle the aircraft skin means it’s a very hard landing. The pilot might reconsider their options as a Uber driver. Home every night. Regular hours. No sims every 6 months.

    • @johnhaller5851
      @johnhaller5851 10 місяців тому +1

      Not really, it just has to bounce off the mains and have the nose gear be the next set of wheels to hit the ground.

  • @nachumgoldwag5363
    @nachumgoldwag5363 10 місяців тому +2

    Old plane + brand new fo and inexperienced captain due to shortages =this

    • @hecklers2002
      @hecklers2002 9 місяців тому

      Because you know all the facts 😂

    • @nachumgoldwag5363
      @nachumgoldwag5363 9 місяців тому

      @@hecklers2002 friends a mechanic at United and told me the story

    • @hecklers2002
      @hecklers2002 9 місяців тому

      @@nachumgoldwag5363 ohhhh then he was on the flight deck? They should tell the NTSB so they don’t bother wasting money on the investigation.

  • @jimydoolittle3129
    @jimydoolittle3129 9 місяців тому

    Total loss , ✈️😖 steep aside Alaska

  • @hanj31
    @hanj31 10 місяців тому +1

    787-8 is a good replacement for the 767's especially the 767-400 ER. Boeing should make a 787-7 like they are doing with the max.

    • @hakanevin8545
      @hakanevin8545 10 місяців тому

      Actually there was a *787-3* which was announced at the beginning of the program, but it was cancelled later.

    • @hanj31
      @hanj31 10 місяців тому

      @@hakanevin8545 they should have kept it. many of the 767/ 757 operators would have ordered it

    • @gil3289
      @gil3289 10 місяців тому

      @@hanj31 You are absolutely right. They are both great planes, they just need the "new engine option" for better fuel efficiency. Im pretty sure DL and UA would have been very interested.

  • @tangobayus
    @tangobayus 10 місяців тому

    Those planes are built in sections. This is probably at one of the joints. Without serious repairs it could break up in flight.

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 10 місяців тому

      The only way something like that would be flown (whether to a repair facility or graveyard storage) would be a non-revenue ferry flight with operating restrictions, following temporary repairs or at least a close inspection.

    • @tangobayus
      @tangobayus 10 місяців тому

      @@marcmcreynolds2827 Would you want to be the pilot?

    • @marcmcreynolds2827
      @marcmcreynolds2827 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@tangobayus It's repaired, temporarily or otherwise, in accordance with the same engineering principles it was designed and built to in the first place, so I would be fine with that. Might hit a snag if they asked to see my pilot's license, however.

  • @apache1234657
    @apache1234657 10 місяців тому

    always wear your seatbelt tight

  • @squadman3376
    @squadman3376 9 місяців тому

    Landing a plane gently.....what makes a pilot....

  • @SDU1969
    @SDU1969 10 місяців тому +1

    Time to retire it.

  • @RaulRodriguez-wr8lq
    @RaulRodriguez-wr8lq 10 місяців тому

    Sorry time to retire this plane,yes it has severe damage, sometimes pilots have a hard landing, they in the front won't feel anything, but passengers do!