Wow: United Airlines Boeing 767 Suffers Wrinkled Fuselage After Hard Landing
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- Опубліковано 10 сер 2023
- We know that hard landings can be unpleasant - and even hazardous for those onboard an aircraft. But typically, airframes are designed to handle hard landings…welll…within limits.
A recent incident out of Houston saw a landing so hard that it resulted some wrinkles and tears to the fuselage! Let’s look at this United Airlines Boeing 767 incident for today’s video!
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A cool fact. This airframe was painted in 5 generations of United Livery throughout her career with the airline
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The airframe is glad to be retired ...
It almost survived long enough to get painted into the Amazon livery 😅
True. It also had the new livery on it already.
@@peterebel7899 it's still suffering
United needs to stop using Ryan Air’s training DVD when teaching their pilots how to land 😂
this is most definitely an ANA 767 moment
The airline I worked for had two bent 767 fuselage events. Both, more than twenty years ago. As I recall, they were bounced landings followed by nose gear touchdown with the mains still in the air. Auto spoilers were required for all normal landings after those events.
Thanks for sharing your information with us here. Appreciated!
What came of them afterward - were they repaired or scrapped? I'd imagine repairing airframe damage like this would be quite expensive.
Porpoise combined with wheelbarrow. Real stunt flying there...
(Insert Ryan Air jokes here)
Someonr
Hahahaha😂💀🤣💀🤣💀
Normal airline: "50, 40, 30, 20, 10"
Ryan Air: "Terrain ahead, pull up! Terrain ahead, pull up!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I'd be surprised if they _don't_ retire it. The hardest landing I can remember was on a turboprop plane landing at Kerry airport many years ago. It was at night and I had dozed off. The landing woke me and there were audible expressions from other passengers.
Honestly if I were the CEO I’d definitely retire that plane, the 767’s are already planned to be retired in the next 7 years anyway
@@thespeedypatriot6201 Your reasoning being?
@@AlexG31 I just said, they’re retiring their 767 fleet soon anyway, 7 years is not a long time, that’s not even enough time for a baby to go from infant to graduating elementary
@@thespeedypatriot6201 yeah it makes little sense to fix that plane as the costs will probably be higher than it's potential revenue for those few years
Apparently, this was not the first nose-wheel first landing resulting in significant hull damage, it was repaired the first time. While they do want to replace it by the end of the decade, it doesn't mean they want to do it now. Much depends on how much it costs to repair vs the expected revenue after getting fixed vs other options like buying a used replacement and redoing the interior and exterior.
Its old age, so you would expect wrinkles 😉
There are some powerfully rejuvenating skincare products out there...
Best comment ever! Made my day... LOL
The age of the plane and that UA placed a big order of 787s to replace these, leads us to the conclusion that N641UA will more than likely be retired. It joins N646UA which was retired with extensive rust about 2 years ago.
Sad to see it end that way but that's aviation.
Certainly with it being the oldest 777 300er in the fleet it was likely one of the first candidates for retirement soon anyways
@@thebman712 yes, very true
Hope that one of those companies that manufacture those aircraft skin tags gets some skin off of it when it does get sent to the boneyard.
I'm quite impressed to say it's still in service
Anything else but retiring a 32yo airframe after such an impact would be plain irresponsible
Probably a lot of cycles on that airframe
Southwest landings at Burbank always tough
I flew into Burbank on Southwest back in May and had heard about the rough landings there, but we must have got lucky because ours seemed to go pretty smooth and normal.
…having been once a UAL SFOSW who did a slew of United Shuttle back in the day, hard landings were few and far between. In those instances I usually state on my arrival PA announcement, “Navy”!
About 30 years ago, I was on a Delta Airlines B-727 flight from Dallas to San Antonio. Wow!! We landed really hard! The next day, I was on a Delta Airlines B-727 flight from San Antonio to Dallas. I glanced into the cockpit upon boarding, and I'll be darned, it was the same crew. The flight was uneventful until landing when we hit the ground really, really hard. We hit so hard that most of the oxygen masks fell from the ceiling. The Captain was standing outside the cockpit wishing everyone a good day and the guy in front of me suggested that he look back into the cabin. He went back into the cockpit and shut the door. That plane was likely out of service for a day or two and the Captain had some serious 'splainin' to do.
Great story! Thanks for sharing this with us here! I am glad that you survived too!!
Reminds me of the ANA 767
It's JA610A
WOW... I am sure they will retire this 767 due to its age. I would like to know the reason behind such a hard landing.
Vaccinated pilot?
@@tangobayus- Time to give it up and let it go. You’re like SpongeBob and his ripped pants. 🙄
@@tangobayusEnough of that simple wishful thinking
You are not a clown. You are the entire circus.
GOOD ONE, SWAYNE!
This is the exact same thing what All nippon airways did since 10 years ago. When the boeing 767 did a hard landing at Tokyo.
The hardest landing I’ve experienced was heading to Orlando and coming back flying with Southwest. The 737 landed pretty hard. However, I don’t think it caused any damage.
The hardest landing Ive ever been on was a United CRJ-200 to little rock. I didn't realize this was a very common thing with that type of aircraft but I think the pilot landed a little harder than he needed to.
2 years ago on board Ethiopian airlines from Johannesburg to Beirut we experienced the hardest landing at Ethiopia’s airport Addis Ababa and I recall passengers screaming after landing…idk what happened to the plane cause there wasn’t any incidents about it but I remember it being rough.
Wow. I wasn't expecting this today.
I have had just a few flights but a most recent one in a E190 of Bamboo Airway back in June was surprisingly hard to me when I feel that the pilots had had to push the plane onto the runway after a short glide on the runway. Dunno whether the small size of the jet made me feel it worse than landings of bigger ones or not
E190 của bamboo đa số bay mấy chặng ngắn, sân bay đường băng nhỏ nên phi công phải hạ cánh chắc ăn sao cho không chạy quá đường băng. Vì vậy nên mới xóc, chứ sân bay to thì có thời gian canh chỉnh tốt hơn
I remember a VERY hard landing in an Air Canada DC9 in Ottawa back in the '80s. Runway covered in wet snow, so the pilot deliberately landed hard. Problem was I think he landed harder than he intended. Plane seemed OK in taxi to the gate, but no idea whether there was any permanent damage.
our beloved Air Can - mediocrity in the air, worse on the ground
I miss 767's. Never really see them in the UK (local airport to me)
I experienced a hard landing on an American Airlines flight to Trinidad aboard a (drum role pls) Boeing 767-300er. Concerning this situation, I'll be surprised if United brings this old bird back in the air even though in my humble opinion this plane holds sentimental value of being the oldest 767-300er in United's fleet.
SCENE: OPENS TO RYANAIR LANDING while narration talks about hard landings.....chefs kiss.
Yup, on a 763 into Miami. Not a pleasant end to a long flight from London. Funny enough the second hardest was a 762 into Fort Lauderdale, but that one was understandable given the wet conditions.
Didn’t Alaska Airlines recently have a hard landing with one of its 737’s, pushed its left main gear thru the wing.
We all get wrinkles as we age. How many cycles of pressurization on the plane? I remember riding in the last seat to the tail in an MD-80. It was a little disconcerting watching the aft section swing around like a fish tail as we taxied along a rough taxiway. I don' think they could have stretched that model anther 1/2".
It is scrap now. It sounds like the structure might have been previously weakened since the passengers and crew reported the landing as normal.
love reading this while this exact plane is 1 hour away from Washington
Ive had a hard landing in Corfu but that was really windy. The place I’ve had regular hard landings is in Jakarta on Garuda flights. They come in much faster than other planes to the point that the speed is noticeable as a passenger and of course a rough landing as a result.
I was on a United Flight to Cancun last year and had a really hard landing. I remember looking out the window as we were coming in for the landing and thinking that we seemed to be going really fast for a landing. Then the plane hit the ground so hard I thought for sure there had to be damage to it. It was really quiet on the plane for a few moments after with everyone just looking around to see if we were ok. The only other landing that sticks out was a Southwest landing in Chicago Midway that they were braking so hard that the seat belt was the only thing keeping me from hitting the seat in front of me.
The pilot really wanted to get to that time share presentation.
Hot and long landings can make landing smoother, but it can go the other way too. All in the pilot's wrists.
The 1st time this happened, was with an ANA Boeing 767.
So, no airliner ever had a hard landing that resulted in a buckled airframe, especially not an airbus, sure
@@guyhahn1256
Unbelievable, its now the fault of Airbus........😀😀........
@@artrandy I did not imply it is airbus fault, just a comment on how people react to boeing related news
That 767-300ER will be "patched up" and sent to a boneyard for parting out. Cheaper than repairing the plane.
Happened to ANA 767 once too.. Video available on UA-cam
At 2:48 there’s an image that I think is supposed to be another angle of the damage to the plane. United doesn’t have an A in its name as you can see on the fuselage, and also that door is a 757 door, not a 767 door. Could that be another incident with another airline?
Certainly looks like DELTA Livery there! It's a 32 year old air frame that has gone through 1000s if not 10s of 1000s cycles and landings. Metal fatigues over time in response to cyclic forces. It may very well be that this landing was not disproportionately hard - just unlucky for the pilot. I hope that's the case and that the pilot doesn't lose their job.
Probably the Delta 757 that did. the same thing a couple years ago.
No surprise at simple flying including it, their quality has taken a huge dive the last 6 months.
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Another happy landing!
Had one extremely hard landing in a 747 which felt like a carrier landing. Hard to believe a passenger plane could absorb that much abuse.
I've never had a hard landing, but we have caught a thermal before while landing and I heard some choice words quickly shouted out of surprise.
Flex tape should make it good as new
I find it surprising that a company as big as United are still operating aircraft of this age, I remember flying on a 23 year old 747 just before Covid and I thought that was ancient.
The major airlines often have older planes in their fleets (albeit they will have been refurbished during their lifetime). The low cost carriers (eg EasyJet and Ryanair in Europe) tend to have very young fleets.
What is really interesting to me is the location of the buckling. We never see a full picture of the plane, but assuming the livery is consistent with others, this happened in front of the wings. This part is being pulled on the top half and squished on the bottom as long as the front wheel is not down. Once down, that switches and the top be being squeezed and the bottom is pulled. The buckling shown is a failure of being squeezed (exactly the same as crushing a can). Typically, hard landings are when the main gear touches down. But again, the forces are in the wrong direction at this point on the plane. So basically, the front was slammed down. I've never had a hard front gear touchdown.
It might have bounced the main gear
...so even with 'bitchin' Betty' screaming at them to pull up, the dungbrains managed to fly it into the ground.
Appears Ryanair is receiving competition .
First, also I love the videos, keep it going!
2:48 Says Delta?
Indeed, a very hard landing
Can they fix it or its salvage?
Unless there is more to United Airlines statement than reported here their PR team danced around the facts. I would have more respect for them if they acknowledged the damage to the fuselage like everyone was inevitably going to see courtesy of social media. I don't wish to undermine that people got off the plane normally. This is a very weak PR statement when social media is able to show the actual damage. I would have much preferred United Airlines to say something like "Our flight _______ to Houston Texas landed hard. We apologize for any discomfort the passengers on this flight experienced. As a result of the hard landing the fuselage wrinkled. When the reasons this occurred have been fully assessed we will follow up with how customers what actions we are able to take in the hopes of preventing this in the future. We apologize for our mistake and wish to thank the staff and facilities at the Houston airport for assisting our customers upon landing."
It's not a hard landing, just a bad one with a bounce off the mains and then landing nose first. Someone may have put the nose down too fast after the bounce, but United isn't going to throw their pilot under the bus ... yet. Particularly before the pilots vote on a new contact.
I've experience that on Hawaiian Air Boeing 767 300 everyone on the plane screamed after we hit the runway hard at PHX.
Houston, we have a problem here!
That is a very quick way to put an airplane in to a 'D' servicing. (Heavy where the plane is overhauled.
Looks like this AF has been repaired and will return to service!
Is the frame compromised in any way?
It'll polish out.
One hard landing i can think of is
Alaska airlines 737-900 from Tampa to Seattle on landing there was bad weather and he hit the ground pretty hard
Are the flying pilots grounded pending the various investigations?
Is it likely the airframe is unrepairable?
They rip out all the seats and put a bridge like structure to keep the skin from being used to support the load to fly to a destination to repair it, they can pressurize the cockpit higher the cabin area to make the flight
Not really worth the trouble for this aircraft in question. Its on the chopping block anyway as new 787's are coming in to replace it.
or a ferry flight to the boneyard.
Interesting. This same thing happened a couple years ago to a United 757.
When the video to 2:50 there is the picture of a B757 with wrinkled skin. The aircraft door in the video gives it away.
United is going through a tough time finding new pilots as well as decent mechanics
Did they break any guitars?
How about the pilot who was flying his plane?
Ok so how does RyanAir still have their entire fleet-?
It’s ok the captain was just trying to outcompete Ryanair
@@damsom1431 Grow a pair and get lost uneducated loser
@@damsom1431Made up wishful thinking
@@StopAirbusFans get a life boeing fanboy
@@StopAirbusFansThank you. Someone needs to stand up to that conspiracy theorist
They gave him a job 😂
The video starts with Ryanair , its like they have officially changed the term “hard landing “ to “rayan air landing “😂😂
Dont think they would have any procedures to repair this level of damage
Probably time to retire it …
Unfortunately United just refurbished the interior in January 23
Bruh moment
You'd think there would have been some injuries on board. .
No problem to fix ! Just apply Plexaderm to remove wrinkles !
If the airline decides to retire the plane, I'm wondering how they plan to move it. Will it be flown away by a crew with ba... nerves of steel, disassembled into pieces or...?
Mrs Doyle: I'll just iron that for you, Father.
Egypt air had the same problem at JFK many years ago.
This plane had an engine shutdown a few months ago according to a quick search.
That pilot was training for ryanair
That will probably not buff out!
No passenger injuries or complaints? Something is wrong with that particular airframe.
When the guy shows a hard landing" That is a ryanair butter
Certainly not an expert here but if the statements about an uneventful flight and normal landing are accurate the buckling in the airframe is certainly very concerning and more serious than stated!
I have seen airframe separating and snapping loose during a plane crash and this look short of that. For such an old aircraft, the question is “Was it structural failure?” Curious to hear what the investigation uncovers?
Right when they said it was a 767 my first thought was "oh cool a 76" then my second thought was "oh geez there's your problem."
That sort of damage is from loads imposed on the structure, rather than a defect in the structure.
If you are thinking of that MD-80 that broke its tail off on landing, that was during a flight test where the sink rate was about 1 fps higher than the design number for structural failure. So it simply did what it was designed to : )
Its Its not the only one...
It almost looks like the airplane landed on its main landing gear, bounced up, and touched back down on its nose gear.
Long, old, skinny Jets in daily service is dangerous. How there airlines are charging premium fares for Extended Range travel with these old planes is so unfair.
did the Pilot get Fired
Many times, even beeb on one that bounced!
Nose gear slammed down too quickly, likely on deployment of auto-spoilers. -200s were notorious for that.
ANA: First time?
A pilot told me that if a runway is very wet then it is best to put it down firmly to break the surface tension and avoid aquaplaning.
It's not literally surface tension, which operates on a much smaller scale, but you/them are correct regarding the firm landing. The other factor which can make a big difference is tire pressure: The higher it is, the stiffer that makes the tire carcass for pushing through the water layer to the pavement. Ok, there's the other other factor of tread depth, same as with a car tire. More is better, with the central groove being the most important.
@@marcmcreynolds2827 these are very unscientific, even non scientific comments and answers. when a jet lands, the speed brakes extend FULLY killing the lifting capability of the wings. An aircraft weighing 145,000 kg on landing will quickly have its rubber wheels in direct contact with the runway surface. Remember most large airports where this aircraft operates will have sloped and grooved runways to prevent accumulation of water
@@UA-cam.TOM.A Maybe this would be a good time to sort out who is who. My day-to-day job (some days) involved airliner braking performance analysis during RTOs, normal landings, or performance landings on both dry and contaminated runways. I advised NASA on wet-runway friction issues for Shuttle orbiter landings at KSC. Aviation Week ran a half-page article detailing NASA's implementation of my runway modification recommendation (minus my name, of course ;)
To your points:
If the (MLG) tires hydroplane, and it's an airliner for which spoiler deployment works off of wheel spinup rather than a squat switch, then the spoilers won't deploy at touchdown. Not unless manually commanded to do so.
It would be neat (from the standpoint of my job) if spoiler deployment fully killed wing lift, but it doesn't. I won't throw out a number because there is no one number: It varies with aircraft type and configuration. The other complication is that while spoiler deployment (often "phased" with a dwell in the middle of the deployment rather than immediately going to fully-up) does dramatically reduce wing lift, that's only part of the dynamics equation since spoilers being up or down also changes the pitch moment coefficient (imagining a free-body diagram, think of that as a torque change in the pitch plane).
Aircraft weight is (for talking purposes) irrelevant. When it comes to whether or not a tire hydroplanes, pressure and forward speed is what matters. A tire is a structure, and how stiff (= pressurized) that structure is will determine its ability to push through standing water to make contact with the pavement. That's not an all-or-nothing proposition: In marginal cases there will be partial hydroplaning, so the tire will spin up but be limited as to the amount of braking force it can provide ( force = contact area x tire pressure x friction coefficient).
Maximum achievable tire/runway friction can start to drop off immediately with any amount of moisture present. It doesn't even necessarily have to be visible moisture. That's just the physics (a branch called tribology) of what goes on when synthetic rubber rubs across concrete or asphalt. The thicker the water layer the lower the maximum friction coefficient gets, so grooving etc helps but doesn't eliminate the friction reduction. It's also something of a double-whammy, because the lower the available friction coefficient, the less efficient the antiskid system becomes: Deeper brake pressure dumps are needed within each A/S cycle to keep the tire from skidding.
Hope the above clarifies things.
That’s going to make a lot of beer cans!
That’s not going to buff out
Excellent call for the person who noticed the damage. It could've easily been overlooked on such a big aircraft. A catastrophe avoided by and alert person with a keen eye.
No.
We know that hard landings can be unpleasant (picture of Ryanair landing) LOL
Dang I think the b763 sprained it's back
Fly the things till they snap in half.
Content-free.
There’s hard and then there’s hard. To wrinkle the aircraft skin means it’s a very hard landing. The pilot might reconsider their options as a Uber driver. Home every night. Regular hours. No sims every 6 months.
Not really, it just has to bounce off the mains and have the nose gear be the next set of wheels to hit the ground.
Old plane + brand new fo and inexperienced captain due to shortages =this
Because you know all the facts 😂
@@hecklers2002 friends a mechanic at United and told me the story
@@nachumgoldwag5363 ohhhh then he was on the flight deck? They should tell the NTSB so they don’t bother wasting money on the investigation.
Total loss , ✈️😖 steep aside Alaska
787-8 is a good replacement for the 767's especially the 767-400 ER. Boeing should make a 787-7 like they are doing with the max.
Actually there was a *787-3* which was announced at the beginning of the program, but it was cancelled later.
@@hakanevin8545 they should have kept it. many of the 767/ 757 operators would have ordered it
@@hanj31 You are absolutely right. They are both great planes, they just need the "new engine option" for better fuel efficiency. Im pretty sure DL and UA would have been very interested.
Those planes are built in sections. This is probably at one of the joints. Without serious repairs it could break up in flight.
The only way something like that would be flown (whether to a repair facility or graveyard storage) would be a non-revenue ferry flight with operating restrictions, following temporary repairs or at least a close inspection.
@@marcmcreynolds2827 Would you want to be the pilot?
@@tangobayus It's repaired, temporarily or otherwise, in accordance with the same engineering principles it was designed and built to in the first place, so I would be fine with that. Might hit a snag if they asked to see my pilot's license, however.
always wear your seatbelt tight
Landing a plane gently.....what makes a pilot....
Time to retire it.
Sorry time to retire this plane,yes it has severe damage, sometimes pilots have a hard landing, they in the front won't feel anything, but passengers do!