Thanks for this! I’m looking at getting a Tesla and I’m curious about the FSD. After so many negative opinions, this video really illustrates its power and efficacy.
Picked up my M3LR yesterday and did a 100km road trip from Ottawa west through downtown across the river into Quebec to a friend’s cottage using FSD 12.5.1 and it was amazing.
Important point being that people will also immediately stop thinking of said magic as magic. Anything you rely on day to day becomes part of what we perceive as just normal life. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic... And will still not be perceived as such@@Alarix246
I'm new subscriber from Louisville KY. Glad to know by watching your video that you are also from Louisville. 🙂 While watching video suddenly I saw my work place and then realized you also from Louisville.
Tesla needs to get the maps updated more often. I have FSD 12.5.1 and using 2024.8 maps. This is week 31 of 2024, so maps are 31-8=23 weeks, over 5 months, out of date. There is a lot of road construction in the Spring and Summer. Without map updates the car is half blind, or at least not going to look as smart.
Road constructions must be recognized. And that's what Tesla is trying to do and why it happens that FSD takes another path than the map shows. Important feature! Otherwise this turns into Waymo premapping that nobody wants. So nice to see a car driving itself without any essential internet connection.
Those 2 instances where it merged left from a right only lane where a little naughty, but I've done the exact same thing, as long as your not cutting across another driver i guess its ok.
I got to start just a couple months ago with 12.3.6 which was apparently a pretty good step itself- but 12.5 looks like it's a really big step, excited to see
I'm a total FSD fan. But in my first drive with 12.5.1, I had to do an emergency takeover when I was stopped at an intersection making a left turn. The left turn traffic turned green and my car proceeded to turn too short heading either into oncoming traffic or into the concrete median. I tap the brake and made an awkward left turn with the little runway I still had left. Later on the drive, FSD 12.5.1 made a similar error on another left turn but not as drastic-it braked short of hitting the median and turned around it. I haven't had a chance to duplicate this again, but hopefully 12.5.1 on my car was calibrating itself. I saw another UA-camr was testing 12.5.1.1. Perhaps this is an urgent update to any regressions like I experienced.
I totally agree, 12.5.1 feels more human like, but it did so many errors. It missed a fork and waited on white stripes at the fork to fix it's mistake. Same route with FSD 12.3.6 was flawless.
@@Lost_In_LA perhaps but with neural net, I find it sometimes goes back and forth, like having a mind lol, next time might go back to same issue , I had then next time it’s acts fine. It happens to me with some free way entrances
What if you’re in a clear lane on the right and a congested lane on the left and someone darts out from that left lane into your lane. Does the software recognize a very aggressive quick intrusion into your lane? This has happened to me more than once, and I had to break.
This is so exciting. The biggest jumps in capability come from having larger neural networks, and Elon said the next upgrade to the network will be huge.
Very nice video. Can you do one that shows your heart rate and blood pressure? Just watching the video, I could feel my heart rate and blood pressure increase in some of the turns. Perhaps you're more experienced with FSD so would be be as affected
Great video as always! I was waiting for u to drive to that spot with the detour / road closed signs to see if 12.5.1 handles it better. Next video maybe?
I love FSD and my 2024 MYLR has received 12.5.1. My problems with it are mostly on the highway. We've been traveling this week and three times the navigation said to take an exit but FSD did not exit. One time I was getting onto a secondary highway,. The navigation said turn right but FSD tried to turn left. The worst thing is when you have an exit lane added that is not very tapered but just appears full width. FSD takes a very sharp right turn and I have to take over because it is going too fast to recover from the sharp turn. The other more minor issues related to speed limits. When I pass from a lower speed zone to a highe speed zone, but the car does not accelerate. it's that normal? I've only had the car 3 months and am still getting acclimated. thx
I have Tesla Model S 2018 with 2.5 computer and Enhanced autopilot. Option to upgrade to FSD is 2K and my understanding is that I will also need a hardware 3 upgrade. If I get this upgrade will my vehicle have the same capability you just demonstrated in your vehicle in this video, assuming I have 12.5 version?
Just curious, I am having an issue with the wipers just going for no reason…. Completely sunny day and they just go off. You or anyone else having this issue? It happened to you at 9:58 and then again shortly after. Doesn’t look like it’s raining in your video.
Boring sounds dangerous, enough to get the supervising driver complacent, and then suddenly intervention is needed. Google found that in its early days; cameras showed drivers turning around 180 degrees to deal with a laptop in the back seat, while speeding down the highway. That's why they decided not to go for driver assist, but instead go for full automation before releasing. It'll be interesting to see what Tesla's, and its drivers', experience is in that regard. Do drivers get complacent? Do they end up looking forward without seeing, subconsciously satisfying the driver monitor but not really ready crisply for action, not really fully situationally aware?
@@MetzTech hmm interesting. My car has fsd, but I need to upgrade the computer to 3.0. I think 4.0 isn’t an option on my 2018 m3. Do any of those factors change things for me?
Mine has been totally bad. Imagining a turning lane, almost ran over a median to get into it. Ran a red light. A large turn that involves 3 lanes turning left at the same time, literally almost ended out riding the center of the lines if I didn't take over. Turned 1,000 feet before a turn, amusingly early wrong turn. Getting uncomfortably close to roundabout curbs on one specific roundabout. It seems to be aware of this though, and decides to slam the brakes and straighten the wheel to avoid the issue. Not good for anyone behind me. Keeps turning on roads and either riding or being just over the yellow line. Idk this update is lowkey really bad for me. Unusable outside of going straight on a highway.
Sorry to be contrary, but I don’t think you really challenged it at all. A boring drive on multi-lane roads doesn’t do much for me. Yes, it’s smooth but what I really want to see is how it does in neighborhoods and narrow streets and roads with really difficult interchanges.
You talk about fsd going into the middle lane while turning left. Are you referring to the suicide lane? If so that is illegal. People do it all the time and i actually think it is a safer way to do a turn sometimes. I think FSD should do whatever is safest. Ironically i am pretty sure switching lanes in an intersection is not actually illegal. I used to think it was but then people kept commenting on videos i was watching that it's not
It’s super annoying that it doesn’t make a sound or chime to pay attention to the road. If you’re not paying attention, you probably need a sound to alert you. It’s almost like the goal is to produce a disengagement rather than actually get the drivers attention. It’s such a huge flaw and I’m surprised with all the other enhancements this is being ignored as working as intended.
Even after the nag begins, there is a pretty good grace period before the bells and whistles start. When the flashing red starts, you better answer the call.
@@stephencampbell9095 Does it start making sounds after awhile? I feel like I’ve received a strike without ever knowing what happened bc I wasn’t alerted appropriately, but I haven’t tried it on 12.5.1. Maybe I’ll try today to get a strike since they now fall off after 1 week.
@@MetzTech But in your video it didn’t. It flashed a blue message on the screen to keep your eyes on the road and didn’t make a sound. Mine does that too. I tested today though and after a bit it turns red and beeps and then gives you a strike if it happens another time. Now I get to see if they really fall off after a week!
I Dont own a Tesla hopefully one day I will be able to afford one . I Love the Tech and going along on the ride with you watching your videos testing FSD
Is there a law that obliged the driver to have the hands on the steering wheel….? If the car doesn’t brake any law, why would you pulled over. There are robot taxi without drivers in sf. They don’t get pulled over because there isn’t driver….
Nice video. I have the same version and I just expect zero disengagement drives now. Biggest reason to disengage for me is pothole avoidance. Speed control isn't great though. I typically have a couple of accelerator pedal pushes.
@@DandaFundas I believe 2018 model s have interior camera above the rear view mirror. Having said this, fsd 12.5 is currently only on HW4. I think you have HW3. So this will come in a few weeks per elon
No rear light? If the car is on the road, and stopped, it should have rear light on with the brakes engaged, but since it isn't, maybe that is how it determines that it is parked?
5:41 yep awesome, but especially the logic that there was a red light ahead anyway, so this made great sense. But also it probably saw the car on the right letting that car go as well. Great.
I signed up for a month of FSD but I realized it doesn't come for HW3 cars lol, glad you're enjoying it on your car, Musky Musk claims it'll be on HW3 cars in 10 days (doubtful lol), but definitely a bummer considering 70% of active teslas on the road right now are HW3
5:30 to 5:40. FSD needs training on right of way rules. FSD was going straight and has right of way over the yellow Jeep that was turning left. No good reason for FSD to come to a complete stop and yield it's right of way to that Jeep.
@@MetzTech Stopping in the middle of a multi-lane high speed (35 mph?) road is potentially unsafe and unexpected move. Higher chance of being rear-ended by a distracted driver. This can be easily fixed with tesla's training compute resources.
@@troydelgado1271there was a red light so traffic had already stopped or was coming close to. Also there was nobody behind him. On top of that, this showed an example of human like driving or “politeness” that fsd is trying to accomplish. Sometimes being completely robotic isn’t the best case on a road full of human drivers
@@zellty423 If you make an unexpected stop in the middle of a high speed multi-lane highway, how would you know that there was no distracted behind that will rear end your car? According to NHTSA, 53% of all crossing-path accidents involve left turns. You alone made the decision to stop and let the jeep make a left-turn. Other cars may not be able to stop for the Jeep. If the Jeep made a left-turn an is T-boned by other cars he will not thank you for being "polite". If you are a passennger in an FSD car and it got rear-ended, you will not thank FSD for being "human like". It would be safer for humans and robots to follow established right-of-way rules.
@@troydelgado1271 look at the clip again, it’s not unexpected, there are no cars behind them, and there are no cars incoming from the other lane, it is a red light, and fsd recognized all of this. The car to the right also stopped to let the jeep through.
More information to surrounding drivers about your intentions is always better. If truck rt front is thinking about merging left he knows earlier you are coming around on left, or if someone going straight wants to fill your gap by speeding up....etc.
Great video. Would like to see more situations with FSD handling multilane highway traffic. That's where I seem to have a lot of FSD 'frustration' deactivations. Not dangerous, but missed opportunities leading to getting stuck behind slow traffic or late to make an exit. Staying in a lane when would be better to change or deciding to pass late. Constantly adjusting speed settings and outright wrong speed limit data. Hoping the merging of the city & highway stacks helps these areas.
@@beehappy7797 The appropriate time measurement here is "Elons". Such as how many Elons have elapsed since the announcement that FSD would drive cross country without driver input. Also see Smart Summon, replaced by Actually Smart Summon, and the ever popular, Autowipe is now fixed.
When the car becomes smarter than those who make the rules, perhaps some rules will be changed. Such as coming to a complete stop at a stop sign when no other cars are nearby.
17:07 "You don't really need a turn signal for that" Legally, yes you do! You are exiting the main highway. It would appear FSD should be monitoring your driving, opposed to the other way around.
@@MetzTech Just because everybody makes the same mistake, still doesn't make it right. You can always check the regulations of the local ‘Drivers Handbook’ to confirm what I'm saying, whether right or wrong.
⚠️ Every car that uses self driving should have some kind of sign or bumper sticker (like Student Driver). Other drivers will give mistakes, slow turning , long stop sign pauses, etc.. more patience and drive a bit more defensive on their toes around the self driving car. Example: 5:32 this is semi-dangerous. Anyone driving behind you would expect you to keep driving to the light. Plenty of room for yellow car to turn behind you after you stop at light. While it’s true that any cars behind you should be ready to handle an uncommon stop, good defensive drivers are constantly trying to predict what other cars in their immediate vicinity are going to do. When the car does things that are abnormal outside of common human driving behaviors, it makes it more dangerous. Other drivers if they saw a sign on the car saying it was anonymous driving, would be more vigilant and ready for uncommon behaviors.
@@joeyd5114-f9b the system won’t allow you to not pay attention but with this current version driving for over 30 mins with no intervention, dude could’ve sat at the back seat no change
Yep, looks like only a few short years away! Progress has been impressive, particularly in the past 2 years. The difficulty will be improving where it's needed without regressing in other areas and truly validating some of these "black box" AI models. I'd also like to see FSD not break as many traffic laws and be a little more careful around pedestrians. Certainly a challenge when you're training on driving data from imperfect real people.
My experience with 12.5.1 is that it's really smooth on a lot of things but one issue I keep having with the last few updates is that the car will be in the wrong lane for the next turn. Example being the car will be in the left lane turning left when it should know that right after it turns the corner it will be turning right so that after it turns it then has to get into the other lane, it should already be in the right lane in order to turn right. That's not natural driving and it does it over and over again. I love using fsd but every time this happens it reminds me of how much work is still needed.
@@MetzTech I usually just let it play out but sometimes I do have to intervene. It seems like it doesn't recognize that one lane can turn both left and right.
I have had an unsmooth instance, twice actually, on 12.5 where I’m on a main road and turning left onto a side road. It needs to wait for a car coming from the other direction. Instead of stopping gradually, it slammed on the brake. Could have been hit from behind the 2nd time it did it.
10:06 FSD goes straight through 2 sets of double yellow lines (A total of 4 solid yellow lines is considered a barrier. Do not drive on or over this barrier). The 4 solid yellow lines in FSD visualization is not rendered until the 10:08 mark after driving over this barrier.
I will never get over that attitude. I use FSD 12.3.6 almost everyday and no way in hell would I engage it when there is a human being walking in front of the car. But this guy did it just to see what would happen. Damn!
9:37 to 9:51. FSD navigation wants go straight but it is on lane that will become a right turn only lane. FSD navigation did not change to the left lane and ended up in the right turn only lane (indicated on the pavement right arrow marking). FSD did not follow road markings rules (right turn only) and made a last minute (potentionaly dangerous? get honked?) maneuver to merge left to continue going straight.
The legality of changing lanes in an intersection is defined by state law. To my knowledge, there is no regulation in KY which prohibits changing lanes in an intersection. Additionally, the rules on solid white lines which often precede intersections is found in the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways (MUTCD). MUTCD Section 3B.06 White Lane Line Pavement Markings: "06. Where crossing the lane line markings is discouraged, the lane line markings shall consist of a normal width solid white line. . . . 12. Where crossing the lane line markings is prohibited, the lane line markings shall consist of a double solid white line (see Figure 3B-8)." So, crossing a single white line is discouraged; only crossing a double white line is illegal (for instance, the lines separating an HOV lane). Of course, if an officer wanted to pull you over, they could claim you were operating recklessly, but to my knowledge, there is no specific regulation prohibiting this maneuver. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.
I can't wait for the first FSD 12.5.1 driver to get pulled over for not having their hands on the steering wheel. You know its going to happen and what will the cop do - I'm guessing issue the person a ticket for reckless driving and the judge what will he/she to - suspend the driver's license for a year? This all gets back to the real reason FSD was developed to run a Robotaxi where the cop has a "kill switch" and bring the Robotaxi to a safe stop on the side of the road. elon should have had 50 lawyers in 50 states working on passing laws to allow FSD to drive on the streets. and how does that cop and judge know FSD was engaged? Should there be a light on the Tesla saying "FSD driving"? because the cop/judge has nothing to be convinced FSD was engaged at the time of the stop.
Buddy. If you think this is lane keeping with adaptive cruise…you need to seek medical attention. I drive cars with those systems daily. It’s not even the same planet
great drive! I give FSD a pat on the steering wheel in moments like 5:30
Oh absolutely!
Thanks for watching, man! I love your videos 🤘🏻
Thanks for this! I’m looking at getting a Tesla and I’m curious about the FSD. After so many negative opinions, this video really illustrates its power and efficacy.
Thanks for watching!
By all means, take a demo drive and experience FSD first hand. FSD 12.5.1 is pretty amazing.
Fsd 12.5 is the giant leap to actual greatness.
I’m on 12.3.6 and it is very good. I can’t wait for 12.5.1.1.
Picked up my M3LR yesterday and did a 100km road trip from Ottawa west through downtown across the river into Quebec to a friend’s cottage using FSD 12.5.1 and it was amazing.
Letting the guy out was impressive.
Really was
never seen this before, I was stunned!
FSD is becoming indistinguishable from magic.
... and right when the magic starts, people will start taking it for granted. Typical for mankind. 😏
Important point being that people will also immediately stop thinking of said magic as magic. Anything you rely on day to day becomes part of what we perceive as just normal life.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic... And will still not be perceived as such@@Alarix246
FSD drive much better than an average driver.
It's pretty good, and it can only get better. By the time I can afford it (when I'm 84) it should be perfect.😊🚙🚗
Wow. 12.5.1 is impressive! Can’t wait to go from 12.3.6 HW3 to this! The progress is incredible and exciting.
Very exciting!
Same! Not soo patiently waiting...
Great commentary, my new goto source for fsd content once in a while :) Thanks from europe!
Thank you 🙏🏼
I'm new subscriber from Louisville KY. Glad to know by watching your video that you are also from Louisville. 🙂 While watching video suddenly I saw my work place and then realized you also from Louisville.
Awesome! I appreciate you watching!
its getting so good!
Garage Man and XDC are getting good too!! 😎👍
Tesla needs to get the maps updated more often. I have FSD 12.5.1 and using 2024.8 maps. This is week 31 of 2024, so maps are 31-8=23 weeks, over 5 months, out of date. There is a lot of road construction in the Spring and Summer. Without map updates the car is half blind, or at least not going to look as smart.
Road constructions must be recognized. And that's what Tesla is trying to do and why it happens that FSD takes another path than the map shows. Important feature! Otherwise this turns into Waymo premapping that nobody wants. So nice to see a car driving itself without any essential internet connection.
Those 2 instances where it merged left from a right only lane where a little naughty, but I've done the exact same thing, as long as your not cutting across another driver i guess its ok.
Can’t say it’s not human like 😅
People who haven’t used FSD on older version will never understand/appreciate how good FSD is getting
Absolutely true.
I got to start just a couple months ago with 12.3.6 which was apparently a pretty good step itself- but 12.5 looks like it's a really big step, excited to see
Es passiert gerade was Grosses, was die Welt echt verändern wird.
Hoffentlich auch bald bei uns!
I have a 2023 M3FSD. I’m currently running v12 2024.20.9 and FSD V12.3.6. Still waiting for these updates. How can I tell if I have Hardware 3 or 4?
I'm a total FSD fan. But in my first drive with 12.5.1, I had to do an emergency takeover when I was stopped at an intersection making a left turn. The left turn traffic turned green and my car proceeded to turn too short heading either into oncoming traffic or into the concrete median. I tap the brake and made an awkward left turn with the little runway I still had left. Later on the drive, FSD 12.5.1 made a similar error on another left turn but not as drastic-it braked short of hitting the median and turned around it.
I haven't had a chance to duplicate this again, but hopefully 12.5.1 on my car was calibrating itself. I saw another UA-camr was testing 12.5.1.1. Perhaps this is an urgent update to any regressions like I experienced.
I totally agree, 12.5.1 feels more human like, but it did so many errors. It missed a fork and waited on white stripes at the fork to fix it's mistake. Same route with FSD 12.3.6 was flawless.
@@Lost_In_LA feels like it needs to have more data like maybe from all the HW3 cars ?
@@shdmd2118 I updated to 12.5.1.1 last night and repeated the left turn green test and the issue I had before looks resolved.
@@Lost_In_LA perhaps but with neural net, I find it sometimes goes back and forth, like having a mind lol, next time might go back to same issue , I had then next time it’s acts fine. It happens to me with some free way entrances
Going around parked cars, Letting drivers pull out. Amazing.
It really is
WOW!
Crazy!
non overheating action cam that works pretty well for me: dji action 4
I bought one. Going to be testing it in future videos
Can FSD work with handicapped modifications in the car such as Left foot accelerant adaptions?
4:13 "Assertive" 👍
What if you’re in a clear lane on the right and a congested lane on the left and someone darts out from that left lane into your lane. Does the software recognize a very aggressive quick intrusion into your lane? This has happened to me more than once, and I had to break.
This is so exciting. The biggest jumps in capability come from having larger neural networks, and Elon said the next upgrade to the network will be huge.
Very nice video. Can you do one that shows your heart rate and blood pressure? Just watching the video, I could feel my heart rate and blood pressure increase in some of the turns. Perhaps you're more experienced with FSD so would be be as affected
Haha that would be funny. It really doesn’t stress me out. Heart rate was between 62-67 this whole drive
Love your videos! Got my m3 long range awd and with 12.36 just got the 12.5.1 update. Excited for the FSD community!
Thanks so much 🙏🏼
Great video as always! I was waiting for u to drive to that spot with the detour / road closed signs to see if 12.5.1 handles it better. Next video maybe?
I have 12.5.1.1 so I’ll take it there soon. I’m not expecting any big changes
@@MetzTech can't wait to see !
you can try put a heat sink glued on the gopro
No joke I have sat and scrolled through Amazon looking for something like that. Cooling fans, heat sinks you name it
What mode are you on? Chill , average, or aggressive? I have hw3 so still waiting for my 12.5.x!
Assertive!
Bro, drive down to the 264 intersection and pick me up! I need to try out that 12.5.1 😅
😂 I gotchu
Imagine being able to let your Tesla pick you up at the pub after a couple of beers, legally. Hard to believe, but...
What’s the status of The Blue Nag? I believe I only saw it once during your video.
Blue nag?
this is good but don't' you have hardware 4 So your experience will be a lot better than most no?
I do have HW4 but I’m pretty sure it’s still running a HW3 emulation
Can you override the FSD?
Yes, you can turn it off or take over at any time
I love FSD and my 2024 MYLR has received 12.5.1. My problems with it are mostly on the highway. We've been traveling this week and three times the navigation said to take an exit but FSD did not exit. One time I was getting onto a secondary highway,. The navigation said turn right but FSD tried to turn left. The worst thing is when you have an exit lane added that is not very tapered but just appears full width. FSD takes a very sharp right turn and I have to take over because it is going too fast to recover from the sharp turn. The other more minor issues related to speed limits. When I pass from a lower speed zone to a highe speed zone, but the car does not accelerate. it's that normal? I've only had the car 3 months and am still getting acclimated. thx
I have actually had a few highway issues as well. Hopefully that gets sorted when the highway and city stacks get merged
I have Tesla Model S 2018 with 2.5 computer and Enhanced autopilot. Option to upgrade to FSD is 2K and my understanding is that I will also need a hardware 3 upgrade. If I get this upgrade will my vehicle have the same capability you just demonstrated in your vehicle in this video, assuming I have 12.5 version?
If you upgrade Tesla will pay for the required hardware. Yes you will get this update
It seems that information of the right turn lane etc .. in the map needs to be input to the neural network.
Which I wonder if it has already done.
anyway thank you for your video.
Tesla is using map dat from the last week in February, so maps have lots of errors.
Just curious, I am having an issue with the wipers just going for no reason…. Completely sunny day and they just go off. You or anyone else having this issue? It happened to you at 9:58 and then again shortly after. Doesn’t look like it’s raining in your video.
It’s not. It does that from time to time 😅
So since you owned a bolt and a model 3 I’m guessing the Tesla is the best suppercruse vs fsd?
I didn’t have SuperCruise on my Bolt but I have made a video comparing the two
Still waiting for 12.5 on my cybertruck haha
Same 😅
Would you do a smart summoning video with the new version?
Literally as soon as I get it, yes!
Boring sounds dangerous, enough to get the supervising driver complacent, and then suddenly intervention is needed. Google found that in its early days; cameras showed drivers turning around 180 degrees to deal with a laptop in the back seat, while speeding down the highway. That's why they decided not to go for driver assist, but instead go for full automation before releasing. It'll be interesting to see what Tesla's, and its drivers', experience is in that regard. Do drivers get complacent? Do they end up looking forward without seeing, subconsciously satisfying the driver monitor but not really ready crisply for action, not really fully situationally aware?
If you turn around the car will turn off the auto driving so it’s pretty obvious you aren’t going to do that lol
Will it park itself once it gets to its destination?
Not all in one. But you can use auto park
I thought it made you keep your hands on the steering wheel now, maybe that’s just auto steer.
All FSD versions 12.4.3 and higher are hands free
@@MetzTech hmm interesting. My car has fsd, but I need to upgrade the computer to 3.0. I think 4.0 isn’t an option on my 2018 m3. Do any of those factors change things for me?
Mine has been totally bad. Imagining a turning lane, almost ran over a median to get into it. Ran a red light. A large turn that involves 3 lanes turning left at the same time, literally almost ended out riding the center of the lines if I didn't take over. Turned 1,000 feet before a turn, amusingly early wrong turn. Getting uncomfortably close to roundabout curbs on one specific roundabout. It seems to be aware of this though, and decides to slam the brakes and straighten the wheel to avoid the issue. Not good for anyone behind me. Keeps turning on roads and either riding or being just over the yellow line.
Idk this update is lowkey really bad for me. Unusable outside of going straight on a highway.
12.5.1.1 has been worse for me…are you on that or 12.5.1?
Who took the sensors out of the picture. 😂
Sorry to be contrary, but I don’t think you really challenged it at all. A boring drive on multi-lane roads doesn’t do much for me. Yes, it’s smooth but what I really want to see is how it does in neighborhoods and narrow streets and roads with really difficult interchanges.
I feel like this specific drive had some complex interactions.
I don't get how you get all the updates right away and im still on 2024.20.9
HW3 or HW4?
How do you go about cleaning cameras. I’m worried I fucked mine up…
You talk about fsd going into the middle lane while turning left. Are you referring to the suicide lane? If so that is illegal. People do it all the time and i actually think it is a safer way to do a turn sometimes. I think FSD should do whatever is safest.
Ironically i am pretty sure switching lanes in an intersection is not actually illegal. I used to think it was but then people kept commenting on videos i was watching that it's not
Yes, sometimes you have to just to get moving!
Wow!
It’s super annoying that it doesn’t make a sound or chime to pay attention to the road. If you’re not paying attention, you probably need a sound to alert you. It’s almost like the goal is to produce a disengagement rather than actually get the drivers attention. It’s such a huge flaw and I’m surprised with all the other enhancements this is being ignored as working as intended.
Even after the nag begins, there is a pretty good grace period before the bells and whistles start. When the flashing red starts, you better answer the call.
@@stephencampbell9095 Does it start making sounds after awhile? I feel like I’ve received a strike without ever knowing what happened bc I wasn’t alerted appropriately, but I haven’t tried it on 12.5.1. Maybe I’ll try today to get a strike since they now fall off after 1 week.
Mine beeps every time
@@MetzTech But in your video it didn’t. It flashed a blue message on the screen to keep your eyes on the road and didn’t make a sound. Mine does that too. I tested today though and after a bit it turns red and beeps and then gives you a strike if it happens another time. Now I get to see if they really fall off after a week!
I Dont own a Tesla hopefully one day I will be able to afford one . I Love the Tech and going along on the ride with you watching your videos testing FSD
Thank you 🙏🏼
Is there a law that obliged the driver to have the hands on the steering wheel….? If the car doesn’t brake any law, why would you pulled over. There are robot taxi without drivers in sf. They don’t get pulled over because there isn’t driver….
Nice video. I have the same version and I just expect zero disengagement drives now. Biggest reason to disengage for me is pothole avoidance. Speed control isn't great though. I typically have a couple of accelerator pedal pushes.
Is that a model Y? what year?
Model 3. 2024
Out of date now, 12.5.1.1 just released
Shot today. Should be out in the next day or so. Tough to keep up
I can’t leave my MS steering for more than 5sec before it nags on FSD. How do you bypass it in this video?
What version are you on?
All FSD versions 12.4.3 or higher are hands free
Ahh…no wonder I’m on v12.3.6
Yeah need to wait for a newer version
@@Frenchy78180does no steering nag with 12.4.2 works on 2018 model S, with no interior Camara?
@@DandaFundas I believe 2018 model s have interior camera above the rear view mirror. Having said this, fsd 12.5 is currently only on HW4. I think you have HW3. So this will come in a few weeks per elon
amazing
Sorry they already released 12.5.1.1 😅
I know. Can’t keep up! 🤣
How the heck does it know a car is parked so quickly?!
No rear light? If the car is on the road, and stopped, it should have rear light on with the brakes engaged, but since it isn't, maybe that is how it determines that it is parked?
5:41 yep awesome, but especially the logic that there was a red light ahead anyway, so this made great sense. But also it probably saw the car on the right letting that car go as well. Great.
Exactly!
I signed up for a month of FSD but I realized it doesn't come for HW3 cars lol, glad you're enjoying it on your car, Musky Musk claims it'll be on HW3 cars in 10 days (doubtful lol), but definitely a bummer considering 70% of active teslas on the road right now are HW3
Hopefully you get it on HW3 soon!
5:30 to 5:40. FSD needs training on right of way rules. FSD was going straight and has right of way over the yellow Jeep that was turning left. No good reason for FSD to come to a complete stop and yield it's right of way to that Jeep.
We had a red light up coming anyway, totally normal move IMO
@@MetzTech Stopping in the middle of a multi-lane high speed (35 mph?) road is potentially unsafe and unexpected move. Higher chance of being rear-ended by a distracted driver. This can be easily fixed with tesla's training compute resources.
@@troydelgado1271there was a red light so traffic had already stopped or was coming close to. Also there was nobody behind him. On top of that, this showed an example of human like driving or “politeness” that fsd is trying to accomplish. Sometimes being completely robotic isn’t the best case on a road full of human drivers
@@zellty423 If you make an unexpected stop in the middle of a high speed multi-lane highway, how would you know that there was no distracted behind that will rear end your car?
According to NHTSA, 53% of all crossing-path accidents involve left turns. You alone made the decision to stop and let the jeep make a left-turn. Other cars may not be able to stop for the Jeep.
If the Jeep made a left-turn an is T-boned by other cars he will not thank you for being "polite". If you are a passennger in an FSD car and it got rear-ended, you will not thank FSD for being "human like".
It would be safer for humans and robots to follow established right-of-way rules.
@@troydelgado1271 look at the clip again, it’s not unexpected, there are no cars behind them, and there are no cars incoming from the other lane, it is a red light, and fsd recognized all of this. The car to the right also stopped to let the jeep through.
Had that water stayed in the plastic bottle one minute longer it would have been detrimental to the environment
I agree
You call that a ‘city drive’? 😂
Pay a ton of dollar to be a tester without any tesla's responsibility. Good choice !
I actually haven’t paid a dime for FSD
What do the letters FAD mean?
FSD
@@lylewilliams1371full self driving
@@poemsandsunsets9920 Thank you!
17:05 strictly speaking and I believe legally, using signal there is right thing to do. Few drivers do it but I normally do.
More information to surrounding drivers about your intentions is always better.
If truck rt front is thinking about merging left he knows earlier you are coming around on left, or if someone going straight wants to fill your gap by speeding up....etc.
Great video. Would like to see more situations with FSD handling multilane highway traffic. That's where I seem to have a lot of FSD 'frustration' deactivations. Not dangerous, but missed opportunities leading to getting stuck behind slow traffic or late to make an exit. Staying in a lane when would be better to change or deciding to pass late. Constantly adjusting speed settings and outright wrong speed limit data. Hoping the merging of the city & highway stacks helps these areas.
No you’re exactly right. I have more issues with it missing exits or merging late on the highway than I ever do on city streets
It might be a navigation issue, but FSD needs to get into the correct lane, at the correct time! This fundamental for ROBOTAXI.
It is a navigation problem. Disengage and report so Tesla gets the message.
Getting better.
It's 12.5.1% ready. 110% is still Eons away!
Tell Elon to make it snappy!
Time does not exist. Acknowledge it and all problems disappear.
@@beehappy7797 The appropriate time measurement here is "Elons". Such as how many Elons have elapsed since the announcement that FSD would drive cross country without driver input. Also see Smart Summon, replaced by Actually Smart Summon, and the ever popular, Autowipe is now fixed.
Get the dji osmo action 4. Way better than GoPro
Love DJI. I might if it doesn’t overheat
13:25 12.5.1.1 :)
I know right?! 🤣 I have it now
found your channel.. enjoyed the review.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Good video. Keep it up!
Thank you first channel member! 🤘🏻
DJI for no overheating
I’ll check it out!
Breaking rules of the road is not good
When the car becomes smarter than those who make the rules, perhaps some rules will be changed. Such as coming to a complete stop at a stop sign when no other cars are nearby.
Since downloading V12.5.1 FSD is making so many mistakes - SUCKS
12.5.1.1? Or 12.5.1?
17:07 "You don't really need a turn signal for that" Legally, yes you do! You are exiting the main highway. It would appear FSD should be monitoring your driving, opposed to the other way around.
Never seen anyone use a turn signal in that situation. Not one time.
@@MetzTech Just because everybody makes the same mistake, still doesn't make it right. You can always check the regulations of the local ‘Drivers Handbook’ to confirm what I'm saying, whether right or wrong.
⚠️ Every car that uses self driving should have some kind of sign or bumper sticker (like Student Driver). Other drivers will give mistakes, slow turning , long stop sign pauses, etc.. more patience and drive a bit more defensive on their toes around the self driving car.
Example: 5:32 this is semi-dangerous. Anyone driving behind you would expect you to keep driving to the light. Plenty of room for yellow car to turn behind you after you stop at light. While it’s true that any cars behind you should be ready to handle an uncommon stop, good defensive drivers are constantly trying to predict what other cars in their immediate vicinity are going to do. When the car does things that are abnormal outside of common human driving behaviors, it makes it more dangerous. Other drivers if they saw a sign on the car saying it was anonymous driving, would be more vigilant and ready for uncommon behaviors.
Any way you can possibly look at this, this is still level 2 autonomy. Level 3/4/5 are years away. Let’s not fool ourselves.
I consider this a level 3
Not by a mile. Level 3 means you can completely remove your attention from the road. Go try that and let me know.
@@joeyd5114-f9b the system won’t allow you to not pay attention but with this current version driving for over 30 mins with no intervention, dude could’ve sat at the back seat no change
@@Omega---13 Do you think a 30 minute drive would certify your car as level 3 in the state where you live? Let me know.
Yep, looks like only a few short years away! Progress has been impressive, particularly in the past 2 years. The difficulty will be improving where it's needed without regressing in other areas and truly validating some of these "black box" AI models. I'd also like to see FSD not break as many traffic laws and be a little more careful around pedestrians. Certainly a challenge when you're training on driving data from imperfect real people.
My experience with 12.5.1 is that it's really smooth on a lot of things but one issue I keep having with the last few updates is that the car will be in the wrong lane for the next turn. Example being the car will be in the left lane turning left when it should know that right after it turns the corner it will be turning right so that after it turns it then has to get into the other lane, it should already be in the right lane in order to turn right. That's not natural driving and it does it over and over again. I love using fsd but every time this happens it reminds me of how much work is still needed.
Interesting. Do you take over or let it play out? What happens next?
@@MetzTech I usually just let it play out but sometimes I do have to intervene. It seems like it doesn't recognize that one lane can turn both left and right.
Very impressive. Thanks for the video.
I have had an unsmooth instance, twice actually, on 12.5 where I’m on a main road and turning left onto a side road. It needs to wait for a car coming from the other direction. Instead of stopping gradually, it slammed on the brake. Could have been hit from behind the 2nd time it did it.
10:06 FSD goes straight through 2 sets of double yellow lines (A total of 4 solid yellow lines is considered a barrier. Do not drive on or over this barrier). The 4 solid yellow lines in FSD visualization is not rendered until the 10:08 mark after driving over this barrier.
I will never get over that attitude. I use FSD 12.3.6 almost everyday and no way in hell would I engage it when there is a human being walking in front of the car. But this guy did it just to see what would happen. Damn!
Relax, pal. I would never let it actually hit someone lmao
9:37 to 9:51. FSD navigation wants go straight but it is on lane that will become a right turn only lane. FSD navigation did not change to the left lane and ended up in the right turn only lane (indicated on the pavement right arrow marking). FSD did not follow road markings rules (right turn only) and made a last minute (potentionaly dangerous? get honked?) maneuver to merge left to continue going straight.
Great job
Thank you!
Dude, switching the water from plastic bottle is not going to save the world, LOL! Nice videom BTW!!
The legality of changing lanes in an intersection is defined by state law. To my knowledge, there is no regulation in KY which prohibits changing lanes in an intersection.
Additionally, the rules on solid white lines which often precede intersections is found in the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices for Streets and Highways (MUTCD). MUTCD Section 3B.06 White Lane Line Pavement Markings:
"06. Where crossing the lane line markings is discouraged, the lane line markings shall consist of a normal width solid white line.
. . .
12. Where crossing the lane line markings is prohibited, the lane line markings shall consist of a double solid white line (see Figure 3B-8)."
So, crossing a single white line is discouraged; only crossing a double white line is illegal (for instance, the lines separating an HOV lane). Of course, if an officer wanted to pull you over, they could claim you were operating recklessly, but to my knowledge, there is no specific regulation prohibiting this maneuver.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer.
30% is your face. Why? We can hear you even without seeing you.
Bc it’s how I make my videos.
Thanks!
I can't wait for the first FSD 12.5.1 driver to get pulled over for not having their hands on the steering wheel.
You know its going to happen
and what will the cop do - I'm guessing issue the person a ticket for reckless driving
and the judge what will he/she to - suspend the driver's license for a year?
This all gets back to the real reason FSD was developed
to run a Robotaxi where the cop has a "kill switch" and bring the Robotaxi to a safe stop on the side of the road.
elon should have had 50 lawyers in 50 states working on passing laws to allow FSD to drive on the streets.
and how does that cop and judge know FSD was engaged?
Should there be a light on the Tesla saying "FSD driving"?
because the cop/judge has nothing to be convinced FSD was engaged at the time of the stop.
Can you site the specific law which states that you must have your hands on the steering wheel? Just asking.
You know too much when you know things you don't know.
For $10k+, it should "blow you". 🙄
What’s $10k?!
@5:33 was a deal. If it just does what we humans do, it will end up where we are... So it is doing well ahead us.
BREAKING NEWS: People who can’t drive on straight roads shocked to find a computer can do it better.
🧐
Find me another car that can do this.
@@shdmd2118 any car with lane keeping and adaptive cruise eg. my Peugeot Rifter, my F Pace Jag, a previous VW golf…fanaticism is ignorance
@@LysanderLH lol, you haven’t tried FSD have you…. Racism is ignorance?
No
YOU are ignorance
Buddy. If you think this is lane keeping with adaptive cruise…you need to seek medical attention. I drive cars with those systems daily. It’s not even the same planet
IF IT BLEW YOU AWAY, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE?? Jus sayin, Bro
Great point tbh