TRANS GUY REACTS: Hate Detransitioners Get From The Trans Community
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The way this community rejects, demonizes, and attacks those who decide to revert to their original sex, makes them more like a cult than a community.
It's actually a cult...it has all the characteristics and behaviours...
(the fact that there is not some kind of "religion" or "god" involved doesnt make it less so...)
That is exactly what they are a cult.
It's interesting that ex-vegans get the same hate from the vegan community, even the "you were never really vegan". It's as if in any group of people there is a cult ready to hate those who decide to leave
Because they are. The new age woke in America is literally a cult.. being led & programmed by Our own. It started years ago.. Our own folks went & paid Russians to learn their subversion tactics.. and began implementing them in Our schools, institutions ect. Have a look at Yuri Bezmenov's interview here on YT. Wish someone had listened to him.
We should start using the word trans cult to refer to this group vs the real trans community.
I can't say this enough. People who detransition really need to share their stories. Thank you Marcus for doing this for them.
🙏
@The Werewolf of Somalia What's happening in the UK? I'm curious 🧐
I did and got harassed for it, told I was never trans and was lectured for being a cis white man.
@The Werewolf of Somalia What is happening in the UK?
They're getting attacked even more than women rn. Just saying you've detransitioned gets you attacked like crazy. "Ugh! It's only like 10% of the people!" Omg. Could you imagine if 10% if people took Tylenol ended up butchered and sterile and we just shrugged?
‘Phobia’ is used way too frequently and inappropriately but in this case, I believe detransphobia is a real thing.
A fear that they may have made the wrong desision themselfs or pushed someone to make a decision with too much haste. Thus they will attack any indevidual that represents that fear.
It would definatly explain the hatred activists have for anyone who highlights detransitioners, fear that they themselfs may have made a mistake leading to lashing outward instead of relfection inwards. A very human reaction for a number of topics is to lash out rather then admit fault.
I was called transphobic many times bc i openly talk about all that problems with sex changing procedures, detransytion and need for good psychological care for LGBT+ people.
I'm very interested in medicine and study a human and animal psychology and honestly I'm not a expert but I just know a few things. Also i had since kindergarten trans friend so this field is very close to me.
And I will not shut up. It's better to go on good therapy for three years than ruin your health with hormones or unessesery operation. It's not the thing you can undo.
So it's amazing if you're mentally stable, you know what you're doing ect. But if someone is in very dark place in their life, is manipulated by the groups of fantastis and have a big mental problems so... This person shouldn't make a that serious decisions.
I also was wondering back then if I'm trans. But no, I had a problem with my sexuality, orientation and others serious things.
Now I'm very femmine lesbian and I'm that person that in past I wanted be, but thought i can't. ☺️
We all want(and can) to be happy but also we must be cautious!
I think we just don't have better words to describe bigotry against certain groups. I know no one likes the implication that they're "afraid" of something, but that's not how the word is being used in these cases. One word can have multiple uses; "phobia" is far from the only one.
@@breeexmortis Education is not bigotry. It's literally the opposite. Yet, the moment anyone speaks truth or asks questions, they're labeled as -ist/a/phobes. It's an offensive mechanism meant to drive people away, and it works so well that now those very people who drove others away are complaining they're not accepted into the society they're continuously alienating.
It used to be "we just want to live our lives," and the vast majority was fine with that. But now it's turned into twerking naked in the streets, forcing society to ignore (or accept) deviancy, outright violence, and permanently harming children. Ya lost the plot, folks.
Hard questions must be asked. I feel the same way about religion. If your belief system cannot withstand basic scrutiny, it's a weak set of values to base your life on.
Phobia means fear, like a phobia of spiders, when someone sees a spider when phobic they are paralysed with fear. The word transphobic I wrong and harmful as nobody I've heard of in the whole world is transphobic...except maybe a small child who sees the 6'5 monster of a "woman" and knows something ain't right.
“I thought gender was fluid”
The entire toxic trans base on Twitter: “You dare use my own spells against me?”
😂😂😂 They are Bunch of hypocrites pikachu face jokers....we should pitty them for what they have done to their lives..!!!
Literally oh my god.
/angry surprised pikachu face/
you are genius that made me laugh 😃
😂😂 right? “Gender is a social construct” that we must fight against and also support by encouraging people with the wrong interests and sexuality to transition so that gender constructs can be reinforced in all their glory. What?? 😂 it would be hilarious if there weren’t real people being devastated by such counterintuitive and damaging rhetoric
"explore your gender well accept you no matter what...(unless you detrans)"
So they say detransitioners who speak up will make it harder for actual trans people to get treatment. On the other hand, they say that ANYBODY can be trans and that doctors should NEVER question someones self-declared identity. The bitter irony is that exactly this policy will produce more and more detransitioners...🤨
Say it louder
It’s because people think normal is bad.
Imagine saying you’re trans all because you don’t fit into stereotypical gender norms. It’s basically continuing to promote stereotypical gender norms. It’s absolute madness right now
Exactly, I don't get why people can't understand this.. Ignoring an issue doesn't make it go away, and it's often going to make it worse. As traffic accidents increased, people invented things like seatbelts and airbags. Governments made laws on how we should to drive, they put up signs to us know the rules in that area, there are safety standards that cars must meet. We need to show we're qualified to drive by getting a licence, and there are laws that define exactly what ''qualified to drive'' means. Car crashes still happen even when all the rules are followed, but all these rules minimize the risks.
And I'm sure that even when there are strict standards that have to be met for someone to start transition, there will still be some people who detransition. But there will be much, much less of them. If we continue to ignore this issue, the number of detransitioners will continue to grow and make it seem like transitioning is almost never the right thing to do. So when they finally realize that there need to be rules, they might become so strict that actual trans people will have great difficulty to get the okay to medically transition.
Still not my fault!!!
“If you think you are trans YOU ARE TRANS!!!🤪” and then thousands of confused people transition and detransition *surprised pikachu face*
And if a therapist says hey you're not trans you have other things going on inside your brain, the therapist is now a transphobic homophobic racist (?) Piece of shit
Thats exactly how it is these days and its both really sad and pathetically funny at the same time. The radical trans activists have erased any possibility of self awareness within said community, in order for them to talk about these nuances. But at least things are starting to boil over. People are seeing the inconsistencies and calling them out. So i hope detransitioners will soon be more accepted and listened to soon enough.
Bisexual people who are still figuring out their sexuality ARE NOT Trans, they are Bigender and should NOT TRANSITION. Bi people are destroying our acceptance.
omg that quote dragged me down into the pits of the worst mental health i have ever experienced. It took a good year to become better mentally after finding out i wasn't trans, i just loved a lot of "boy" things and hobbies. This quote is genuenly dangerous and is horrible to tell people. 🤕🤕
@@darkpeekacho4360 yeah it only really works for trans people, it's a horrible way to measure identity, i found a better way where you just ask yourself if you'd prefer to be a feminine man than a masculine woman, as gender roles affect trans people but what we truly want shines when we ask that question, cos in the end we all just wanna chnage our biology and body, for me a trans man i like to dress androgynous but if i could have a flat chest, dick and ass hair im fine with wearing the pinkest dress eternally
gender roles definitely have a big part in confusing all of us, if we all could just vibe without them i can imagine how much people wouldn't accidently think there trans
the definitely confused me cos i still like feminine things, just not being a woman
im happy you figured it out i wish you well
It's not just medical neglect,it's medical malpractice to let adolescent patients control their own treatment. I believe the detransitioners will be the ones who eventually end this,but it will be because of all the inevitable lawsuits coming in the future.
Mann shuddupp, first it's medical malpractice not to help people transition now it's medical malpractice to help them transition, how the fuck can medical professionals win in this world
Unfortunately, its hard to file a lawsuit against these big pharmas, because:
1. These people already paid hundreds and thousands of dollars to get the "medical treatment" so funding itself is already an issue.
2. big pharmas have way more control over the narrative as well as access to lawyers and perhaps even bribing the court.
The only thing we could do right now, is share as much stories as possible, stop children from harming themselves before they know what they're getting into, and also knock some sense into those around you and me who are still living on unicorn island.
@@babybbunnyisaac9886 ,there was a girl who recently sued a gender clinic in England,and she won. Because of this,they changed the law that allowed young children to medically transition. Hopefully,there are some attorneys in this country who saw that,because there is a lot of money to be made on medical malpractice cases. I agree that winning could be difficult,but I'm afraid that taking their money is the only thing that will stop these monsters.
@@scoobykitty oh wow! Thanks for sharing! I should go read up on that then. This is by far the best news we are getting from this whole mess.
@@scoobykitty That was the Tavistock Clinic. It is now being closed down after an independent review.
It’s sad that they want society to be on board with transitioning yet refuse to acknowledge the other side of the coin. Kinda like mental health in general
Don't you sort of think that they get what they deserve for going through all of this insane garbage in the first place? I mean come on -- a girl's brain in a boy's body? What, the body has YX chromosomes but the brain is XX? Some of the most idiotic drivel is the notion that gender is a social construct. Nothing more than changing definitions to accommodate their fantasy.
Theyre hypocritical as hell
Mercenary levels of selfishness
They want to be separated from everyone else. Why all the media stunt?
Bisexual people who are still figuring out their sexuality ARE NOT Trans, they are Bigender and should NOT TRANSITION. Bi people are destroying our acceptance.
I'm a detransitioner. I was able to start hormones after only 1 singular appointment with a gender specialist. It was informed consent so I'm not saying they were at fault, it was absolutely my decision, but I think informed consent should be abolished - or at least extended over a few appointments. Trusting people to know what they're getting into only after a single appointment is negligent. Luckily for me, I realised I was making the wrong decision only 6 months into my transition, so I have no lasting effects. Any breast tissue I developed actually went away quickly, even though they told me breast tissue growth doesn't reverse.
But I was definitely treated differently by my trans friends and now they're completely out of my life. I feel like a bit of a leper when talking with trans people, as if talking to me or treating me like a person is too much of a heavy task for them. I've identified first as a gay male, then a trans woman, and now a detransitioner, and I can tell you now I've never received more disrespect in my entire life than I have as a detransitioner.
There's nothing wrong with detransitioning it just wasn't right for you. You didn't feel like you. I've recently discovered I'm either non-binary or trans, but I don't think I want to go all the way with transitioning I know I wouldn't be happy. I may just be non-binary. I know the only things I'm willing to do is get rid of my breasts and my uterus. I was scared to tell my best friend. And she immediately asked me what my pronouns were and what name I would prefer. Despite our differences she's a good friend. True friends would stay by you regardless of what gender you are or what gender you de/transition to. A real friend would make sure that you were okay and help you through it. Or even just listen so you can feel heard. Hopefully you find good friends that don't abandon you just because your life decisions doesn't fit theirs.
Think of it as crabs in a bucket mentality. Addicts go through the exact same thing. As soon as you stop doing what they're doing they no longer want to be around you.
I know it sounds overly-simplistcic but these persons were not true friends. I wish you nothing but happiness and being comfortable with who you are.
So I understand you are a gay man again? May I ask if the six months of transitioning left any effects that are not visible, like libido-wise, or healthwise?
@@lunarcorpse Wow. I'm so sorry you're going through this 😔 it's so jarring how hypocritical and cruel the trans community can be towards eachother.
Very good points, I had an eating disorder growing up and if somebody would just give me a stomach bypass surgery when I thought I wasn’t skinny enough I would absolutely go for it instead of trying to fix the issue of my own twisted perception of my body
Aha so true 😂 I would’ve gone for it
Same, but with self harm. 😬 Was doing it for over a decade because of my psychologically and mentally abusive narcissist mother.
Still struggling with self image and self esteem years later at 27, but therapy has helped wonders. I wish mental health were taken more seriously and not so effing demonized.... She gave me borderline on top of all the other genetic crap I have to put up with like fairly severe bipolar, chronic depression, chronic anxiety, and complex PTSD(not genetic, but still a life affecting issue that comingles with all my other crap...)
For mental disorders, such as Anorexia, you must tell them the reality of their situation, and mentally recover them through therapy. You do not give them a liposuction.
For Body Dysmorphia, you do not give them plastic surgery to fix their flaws, they are given Therapy.
But for gender dysphoria, doctors ask them if they liked blue and trucks or dresses, pink, and dolls as a kid. Maybe ask them how they felt during puberty or about puberty (because every 'cis' person would say they absolutely loved it and weren't uncomfortable at all!). Then, you give them (sometimes puberty blockers) HRT, then later surgery (of course with not a single mention of detransitioners) in order to gratify their dysphoria (disorder).
What the hell are we doing..?
@@daiseuets Very good question.
@@daiseuets this is something that always confused me as someone who suffered from body dysmorphia as a teenager especially when I was not happy with my weight. Like if someone with gender dysmorphia can get breast implants, or remove their breasts, have surgery to alter their face, alter their fat distribution via hormone treatment, why are people with body dysmorphia denied those treatments and given cognitive behavior therapy instead....? Are people with BDD somehow less deserving than people with GD? Now that I am older and I have a much better range of control over the dysmorphia I understand that surgery is not the answer. It has wildly different outcomes depending on the individual. It is a topic that the person experiencing the dysmorphia should debate heavily with a provider before moving forward. There is no fully reversible plastic surgery or hormone treatment. It seems to help some, and make others worse. But the proportion of people who's mental state worsens after surgery seems to be much larger than people who benefit from it, in both types of dysmorphia. The fact it isn't reversible makes it so much worse. When I lost weight much of my dysmorphia disappeared. Losing weight was a reversible action I took. But if I had opted for liposuction, my body would be changed forever. In the area I wanted fat reduction, I would have been left with long deep scars down the inside of my thighs to my calves. Losing the fat there naturally took time, I had to get to the lowest end of the healthy weight range, but I'm there now and it didn't put me in debt nor did it leave me with irreversible scar tissue.
Detransitionor here. I’m 13 I claimed to be trans when I was 12. Social media told me I’m trans because I was uncomfortable with my self during puberty. Thank god it was only social for less than a year. But, it still a year of my childhood I can’t get back. It causes so much depression and suicidal thoughts and anxiety it’s unbelievable. Thank god for my dad who showed me the way of my detransition I’m thankful for him. Now I’m in touch with being feminine and have a bf I’m slowly rebulding my life but it’s hard Even when it’s social.
I relate with this so much except im a little older... but now I've spent from when I was 14 to almost 16 still growing out a bad haircut from when my parents pushed that I was trans over an eating disorder :(( I'm so close to it being a short Bob but like you I feel like I'm missing out I'm spending my teen years feeling ugly and growing out a mistake and not really living, I'm thankful that I live with grandparents now who make me feel better
I'm sorry to say that, sister. I hope for your own sake that you're staying off social media beside from UA-cam. Nastytok and Twatter are no place for minors.
It's full of vile creeps that will look to take advantage and warp your perception of reality, hence the nasty creeps on your social media platforms telling you, you were trans instead of saying, *Hey, it's okay to feel uncomfortable during puberty, especially as a girl. We've all been there.*
Keep sharing your story. You can help others
Detranz people get ostracized because gender ideology is a religion. Blasphemers must be cast out and condemned.
Wow
Your the first I've heard say it in this way....and in my opinion it's soooo true when you view it from this perspective.
I'm definitely going to remember this comment.
EXACTLY !!!
It's a CULT
community : communism and unity. both: no thanks!
@@dianneadair1132 Unfalsifiable claims demanding outside participation from lawmakers and the public at large. Yep, it's a religion!
@@DoctorPhileasFragg
Go to love separation of church and state.
To bad state decided they would make demands on church to preach "THEIR RELIGION" in the church.
As a trans guy who has been on hormones for 8 years I’ve decided to go off of testosterone for good. Even with that decision I’ve been met with confusion and judgment from my own community. I still identify as trans, I just feel that I no longer need medical intervention in order to feel like myself.
I was on T for 6 years, then went off it to have a baby and never took it again. Does any of that make me less of a (trans) man? Come on trans community, you can do better than that.
Transguy here, 6 years into transition, 5years since I started Testosterone, 3,5 years since I stopped. And most definately still identifying as male (and passing btw, and an androgynous guy sadly, but still passing -I stopped testosterone because I just hate medication, so as long as it's not absolutely necessaire, no thanks.).
Watching and listening to you really gives me hope-I know there is common sense in the trans community ..you are proof! The media shows just the insanity. It seems “gatekeeping” is so important but if a doctor states someone is not “really” trans and needs more time to figure out who they are I can only Imagine the hate. Forget about the money involved!
the media shows the clickbait. liboftiktok pedals an image that trans stuff is invading grade school and college campuses with socialism.
it's not. college has taught me plenty about history and the economy, and not once was socialism even introduced as viable.
if you're a poli-sci student, unlike myself, you're walking right into that territory. it'd be like expecting med school without all the blood. it's foolish.
trans stuff isn't really discussed, primarily because nobody actually cares.
I feel as though gate keeping isn't even accurate..I don't think people want to gate keep(it has such a negative connotation) I think people are promoting moving forward towards huge forever life changing choices with logic, responsible careful consideration and exploration! Don't parents normally want their kids to think before they act? Same concept. Those in authority positions aka doctors have that same responsibility to help discover what will truly be the most beneficial course of action. I think people call that gate keeping because they want to be told what they want to hear because that feels good right now .
Nowadays people act like speaking the truth of situations is bullying and harassment when in truth it's for the persons actual benefit. Hope this makes sense, rushing to type as board train !
@@juliannacolombo5584 I'd be curious to hear more from you. I'm not entirely clear on your position or the idea of "gatekeeping".
The reason I watch this channel is because I have a "trans" friend who I feel has built an identity off of an ideology of relativism and postmodernism. I'm reading the Blank Slate by Steven Pinker and it seems like a majority of people don't have a firm understanding of evolutionary psychology. I love Marcus for bringing attention to those who are truly confused by non-binary beliefs. I don't think my friend realizes the same consequences to transitioning as Marcus does when going on hormones such as testosterone. I think a lot of doctors are ignorant or willfully malicious in claiming care for transgenders.
@@FerrisMcLauren I might have posted two other comments that are mini rants if interested lol I should have thought my comments out better but just typed as I thought being it's after 2am by me and I was compelled to share.lol but I will gladly elaborate on what I was trying to say. Expect another response here in a few. I'm thrilled someone is available to discuss at the moment
@@FerrisMcLauren When one person accuses another of gate keeping its said
with a negative connotation. Its akin to accuses someone of only allowing cool kids into their tree house club. I've often heard individuals such as Marcus accused of being a gate keeper (also a trans medicalist).
I find everything Marcu speaks on as the opposite of anything negative. He has lived the experience. He is fulfilling the responsibilities that elders of all groups fulfill for the younger generation .
It is not gate keeping to share truths. Especially hard truths! They are often said the least but need to be heard the most. There is a term that is actually accurate for the actions some label "gate keeping" and that is
Safe guarding.
Kinda similar realm but very different implications. It's not about hoarding social currency and keeping it all for a tiny group of individuals. That's gate keeping. Safe guarding is taking on the personal responsibility of making sure others chose an action only after having all the accurate facts and truly weighing the possibilities that may come from their given choice.
Teenagers or the kids even who claim they are trans and get medical treatment blows my mind. In most situations we protect them from life altering choices because we know they aren't able to truly conceive of the future implications. We refer to them as underage. Under the age of being capable of truly consenting by considering all the truths involved. Having legal drinking ages for example is not referred to gate keeping of alcohol or experiencing intoxication. That's not an equivalent but a demonstration of the ideas behind the words I'm choosing.
I have an opinion in regards to your friend. May I share? I don't want to say to you something that friend may find offensive unless you care to hear it and know it's coming from the place of care and concern that I would feel if it were my friend.
People with su*c*dal ideation are not encouraged to unalive themselves. People with true chronic depression are not encouraged to just stay inside and give into it. People with bipolar disorder are not encouraged to give into their wild mood swings and their paranoia. Why is this the only mental issue that is just being affirmed? We don't affirm paranoid schizophrenic people. Thank you for adding your voice to this issue.
Because they consider it an identity and a human right. I thought trans rights were about to remove the stigma from the disorder, rather than remove the disorder as a whole.
How is transitioning equal to not getting help for depression? Who are you to decide that transitioning is the incorrect action to take for someone else? It depends on the individual. And how is being trans a mental issue in and of itself if it doesn't cause clinically significant distress, etc? The distress is usually caused by something external, outside of the mind.
@@amandak.4246 "Perfectly" functioning is your opinion. You have no ability to get in someone else's head and determine that it's better to change the person's mind. What are you going to do, argue with them, brainwash them? Strap them to a chair and tell them they're actually X a hundred thousand times? And can you prove that their propensity to do those things is a coping mechanism and not the result of who they are as a person? You are not the expert of someone else's mind. There are also actual criteria for something to be a mental illness. Proof that it's a mental illness?
Thanks, Marcus, for being a trans educator rather than activist. I think you do more for the trans community than any of the rabid activists insisting people have sex with them, accept them even though they look nothing like the sex they "transitioned" to, and insist on invading women's personal spaces and sports. Keep up the great work! Love that you have a kind heart. (Plus I find your voice incredibly soothing!)
In reality of what you are dealing with is both: childhood traumas (we all have these) and having got hurt from life in general.
Yes, we all are called to be sober minded :
Titus 2:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded. Romans 8:6 | View whole chapter | See verse in context For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. James 1:8 | View whole chapter | See verse in context A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
It is heart-breaking to hear, what you think and say about CHRIST, for HE is the one who came to set an example of how to live, and He was the only one who were WILLING to die for us. That is the ultimate love and also what REAL CHRISTIANITY is all about: BE WILLING TO GIVE UP YOUR LIFE FOR THE SAKE OF OTHERS. and no, here ain´t meant commit suicide or get yourself killed. What is meant here is: have not a mindset like the freemasons have, for they do think that they are both, godlike beings and can become a god themselves, sadly DECEIVED they are the deepest. baphomet, their god, the one they serve, the false god, BIBLE warns about. Be wise and serve not the old devil, who came to corrupt us all.
I truly hope and pray also, that your mind and heart shall go through a change and the hunger for truth/knowledge shall be found in you also, like it were found in me.
We are not "just our carnal bodies", no, we are all SPIRIT beings also. Created in 3 part. SPIRIT + SOUL + BODY.
To keep my comment small enough i rather share some EMAILS with you, to whom you can get contact and have some answers cleared out even more. I may be a little help, but sadly not enough. For even i am still on the walk of learning. All i can say is, what the world says about CHRISTIANITY is not true at all, for they deceive themselves and others by confusing themselves and others with Catholicism - for it is just a religion, a made up story like any other : Hinduism and Buddhism and atheism and new age - erism and i don´t know more the names of many fairy tales.
Here are the e - mails:
Email me: torchofchrist@gmail.com Email me at questions@truthunedited.com email me at biblicaltypology 777@gmail.com EMAIL ME AT: thetruthisstrangerthanfiction44@ymail.com
Still celebrating all the earthly and wicked holidays (xmas, thanksgiving, halloween and more),then you are a FAKE Christian and have not idea what being a CHRIST FOLLOWER aka Christian - truly means. Dear blind soul. THERE IS GOD and there is god, = there is THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS and there is evil fallen angel, named lucifer also. lucifer, renamed himself a satan and a baphomet, he is the false god, mankind should not serve. lucifer is the master of freemasons. Why don`t you seek out the knowledge? All is OUT THERE. Available. You have a computer and the internet, now learn to used it against satan, not allow him to use it against you. I created 11 playlists and 2 I added along, all of them have good and useful channels with truthful contest in them. Seek ye out all, one soul can seek out. For there is truly a useful information worthy to be found and accept to go on with life and make more informed choices. My own research is close to 300 pages long, therefore, yes, there is (and also as bible speaks about too) the missing knowledge that the whole mankind is unaware of.
“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14 (KJV)
When you said “but I thought gender was fluid…” I had to giggle. It’s really sad that once a person detransitions they somehow morph into an evil cis person and that means they can no longer have any thoughts on gender. I don’t understand why some trans people think cis people never struggle with gender or gender roles, or even how their body relates to these gender roles and norms. They have this all or nothing idea of trans vs. cis, all the while saying it’s fluid, when I think all people struggle with gender expression on some level. To have absolutely no threshold for when that struggle should be medicalized is kind of wild to me. All the internal inconsistencies seem to spring from resentment and fear. All humans are subject to gendered expectations and inconvenient biological facts. Is much rather see an attitude that we are all in this together rather than an attitude that cis people don’t even experience gender and need to shut up.
Exactly.
Gender norms and gender roles, sure - but I don't have a single frame of reference for a gender *identity*. I see a lot of ostensibly "cis" people likewise failing to wrap their heads around the concept ("How can you feel like a woman if you've never been one?") and it leads me to believe that gender dysphoria is in a league of its own that we should be left out of it - at least in regards to being referred to as "cisgender".
It's all so selfish. "This person is/was going through a lot due to them having to detransition, how does this affect ME?"
Sadly we don't live in a world where the only people asking for HRT are 100% trans so some pushback is still needed. Wouldn't the trans community WANT to minimize the amount of people regretting their transition?
pushback from the medicine/doctor side of things is always harmful for the lgbtq+ community tho. people going on HRT aren’t just doing it for fun. the percentage of people who medically detransistion is small, but they can still be trans and may be able to transition again later in life. it’s complicated, and the whole community shouldn’t be punished
@@genevieveroy780 how is it punishment to actually make sure transitioning is the best option rather than jumping right into it?? You have a very odd concept of punishment.
@@genevieveroy780 I was a 47 year old woman going through menopause and my doctor refused HRT because he said the risks are too great. Breast cancer, heart problems and bone loss. I even went and had a genetic test for cancer to show him I wasn’t at risk but my 14 year old son can decide he wants to change his sex and be freely given HRT?? No, it shouldn’t be given out freely and the doctors should first “do no harm”. Sometimes you need pushback. I thought HRT would make my life better. Well, guess what? My sisters doctor did give her HRT and she was diagnosed with breast cancer two years ago. She fought like hell but died last Sunday. On her deathbed she made me swear to never take HRT. She left behind a 9 year daughter who will now grow up without a mom. So yes!!! There absolutely needs to be pushback. HRT is not a game!!! It’s very serious!!
@@laikanbarth that’s so sad for your sister and your family. Best wishes to you. 💙💝
I remember when I was in my early 30’s just chatting to a nurse at the gym. She was telling me about the number of women developing breast cancer and that they were starting to think it was related to HRT. She said don’t ever take it. I never forgot that and never even considered taking HRT. I’m in Australia and now 66 and would never have considered it, she scared me so much. My friends were worried about the long term effects as well. They would rather put up with the hot flushes and other symptoms of menopause than take the risk, a difficult decision when they were feeling awful and the doctor is offering the pill to them.
@@laikanbarth bruh the fact you think it’s easy for trans people to go on HRT in the first place is hilarious 😂 you really don’t think they need to jump through bs hoops too?? lol for a 47 year old you need to grow up
People need to realize there isn’t a “community.” I’m blk and people often see us as a community but we aren’t.
We don’t all know each other nor do we agree on everything.
The first time a person says something the “community” doesn’t like, you’re “kicked out.” Screw those types of communities. We’re individuals.
This is so sad. I can't imagine feeling so abandoned by a community so focused on "love"
Hey, it's who they are and have always been. Loving and inclusive as long as you meet with their every demand.
@@ernsttrekiew198 so...basically...a cult!
@@dimercamparini Yep. In almost every aspect. I highly recommend Abigail Shrier's book, 'Irreversible Damage' before the woke mob succeeds in getting it pulled off the market. They nearly got their way, once or twice. It almost reads like a horror story, with grisly details on botched surgeries, surgeons unskilled in these procedures who perform them anyway because of the huge profits to be gained.
That's what happens everytime you leave a CULT...
they say it's destructive and dangerous for detrans people to tell their stories and oppose any kind of gatekeeping of who should transition, but then in the next breath turn around and say it's dentransitioners own responsibility and fault for not knowing better. how are people supposed to know better if only one side is allowed to tell their story?
The argument of “don’t let tphobes know about detransitionets” is the equivalent of telling a white woman who was legitimately raped by a black man to not talk about it bc it feeds into old stereotypes. It sucks that something feeds into a hateful narrative, but that doesn’t erase these people’s pain
I feel like you didn't have to use black people as an example...there isn't a stereotype that black men are rapists, that's just racism....
I’ve only helped 3 friends in my lifetime transition f2m. All 3 were over the age of 40 and absolutely ready. All 3 do not regret. But all 3 agree with me that children and young adults shouldn’t be given hormones or blockers, or anything that changes them physically and permanently. It’s criminal.
"They were never trans" bet they wouldn't dare say that about currently transitioned people who might go on to detransition in the future. Thank you for speaking out about this Marcus! Some (**not all**) people who are apart of the trans community claim to be completely loving and accepting but then show so much hate to detransitioners :(
It took many years for me to transition from an easy-going guy to a conservative grouchy old prick.
"Gatekeeping is absolutely necessary!" - So glad to hear that confirmed.
I also love how you call people transsexual, not transgender.
But the best part is... "I thought gender was fluid?" * Touché!
isnt transgender a more appropriate term though? because sex, i.e your chromosomes cannot be changed through surgery. if gender is the outer aspect of it, then it is gender that changes.
@@senasezer422 I agree that sex can't be changed, but since I refuse to accept "gender" as anything except a synonym for biological sex then I can't say either is more appropriate.
No because trans individuals try to feel like the opposite SEX through T or E depending on being a trans man or trans woman. Many transsexual people also wear appropriate gendered clothing, but still feel dysphoria because they have SEX characteristics of their birth gender.
Gender was originally meant for inanimate objects, or words in gendered languages. Gender is traditionally masculine, feminine, or neuter. It recently was used to describe social differences between the two sexes but it’s also used to describe biological sex.
Boy and girl are sexes. Masculine and feminine are genders. Therefore, a boy liking pink and playing with My Little Pony dolls isn’t a girl. He’s *feminine*.
As a detrans person I occasionally speak to reporters about my experiences and I’ve had to set firm boundaries in regards to how much can be shared for fear of backlash, just for sharing my own experiences. No opinions, not hot takes, just what actually happened. I don’t even usually share my last name
Honestly Detransitioners need Support because a lot of the times they were convinced by adults that transitioning was the only solution they had for what they were feeling and experiencing and now feel they have changed there lives forever at ages they couldn't make lifelong decisions at. This has to be one of the saddest things coming from the LGBT+ community, to not be showing love and consideration to these people.
“ it’s selfish to only consider how someone else’s pain makes you look bad” that is the truest thing I’ve ever heard
Your approach is so sensible and logical, Marcus. You’re the opposite of “offensive”. :)
As for trans people accusing doctors of gatekeeping hrt, the fact is that doctors are the gatekeepers of nearly ALL drugs. That’s their main job.
I love you and your channel sm. I wish more ppl talked about how ugly our community can become
But far too many of the Neo-Trans activists think that “gate keeping” implies transitioning should be a last resort, when they believe that the whole process should be as simple as deciding to change your hairstyle.
@@rachelforshee6014 but gender does exist and is important mainly for men and women biologically and it would be a bit strange to erase that
@@rachelforshee6014 If gender is made up, what is gender dysphoria and what is a transsexual?
Is it useful to refer so frequently to the °community°? Which community? Do you subscribe to it? Paying a fee? Does it have some... authority?
I'm asking this because it seems like... a sect.
I heard they had cookies
My point is… I like people. Well, I like nice people. But I don’t like sectarianism. And boy, I do see sectarianism in the lgbtqiapk+… thing.
I really cannot stand the word“community” in this context.
@@mamadragonful like nationalism, but gay
… I should start calling the trans community a church. I really should. It proselytizes to everyone and everything that you can be trans, it persecutes the unbelievers and ones that leave the church, and it has a “rebirthing” practice called hormone therapy and cross-sex surgery. And it’s a very radical sect of a larger religion called LGBTQ, of which there are various ways of practice people do, such as gay, lesbian, non-binary. Non-binary and trans are the loudest and most radical of the sects by far, because it requires sacrifice of the body.
I've said "I used to be trans" and got a ton of backlash, I thought I was the only one. But it was true. I felt extremely uncomfortable in my body for years. I didn't feel like I was in the right body, I wasn't confident, and I felt safe online when I passed as the opposite gender/sex. I felt SAFE. I felt COMFORTABLE. I was honest completely with my romantic partners but that's everyone who needed to know. I wasn't "lying" or trying to "trick" people. I didn't even tell everyone I was trans, I just straight up passed as the opposite without having to say anything and left it at that lol
My daughter identified as a dog when she was around 6/7 …. I was a total tomboy my whole childhood …. Thank foook neither of us grew up with parents desperate to jump on a bandwagon.
I was a horse for a short while. I still wear horse shoes every now and then, because I like the look:)
Haha my son identifies as a cat, but unfortunately, our doctors are such bigots they refuse to give him surgery to get a tail, furr and peaky ears 😁
@@bridittebargeot2679 haha, I watched a video of some guy who had spent 15000 (if not more, can’t remember exact amount) on a custom made, realistic (as can be) lion ‘suit’. Sadly due to your doctors bigotry this may be the route you have to take 🤷♀️😂
I was the last of an ancient animal species, Jagubulla, that happened to look human but sometimes reverted to animal mannerisms.
Alternatively, tom boy. i e a wild girl.
i remember back in 2016 when they were first arguing for young transitions and they were claiming DE transitioning was super rare. those statements aged horribly.
I still hear people say that sadly.
ironically, probably the biggest reason it's now common instead of rare is because people for the last 7 years have been pushing for young transitions.
I followed this girl june henry for years who identified as a trans guy, then nonbinary, then detransitioned and, as a trans guy, I think it’s very important that detrans voices are shared bcs medical health professionals are very lackadaisical with giving people a diagnosis and hormones. I was given my diagnosis after literally filling out a check box form. That was helpful for me because I AM trans, but the thought that other young people who might not even be trans are going to that individual is so scary
I honestly feel heartache with every destransition story I read. I really wish I could befriend all of them because being rejected by an entire group that you thought supported you sounds like mental torment on top of everything they've been going through.
I read a girl's story about her detransitioning and she felt so embarrassed to tell her family that she wasn't trans anymore. She felt bad because her family had had a hard time wrapping their heads around it and she was upset that they weren't "getting it" fast enough or still remained ignorant. She was always on their necks about them being bigoted or intolerant and just putting her family through the ringer with her trans idenity. The embarrassment and shame that she felt when she told her family she wasn't trans anymre made her feel so terrible.
I feel sorry for the trans community that seems to be having a problem with those that seem to think gate keeping harms but in reality it is to protect those that are truly not trans from making a huge mistake that is not reversible. I appreciate your honesty!
Thank you! We need the so-called gate-keeping in all medical fields, proper examination, diagnostic and treatment are the hallmarks of modern medicine and it shocks me how these basics are hand-waved away by so many people in the name of tolerance & acceptance. It destroys people who could have had a chance with a different treatment.
Patient: I broke my arm. I need heavy duty pain meds.
Doctor: Okay, let's do some x-rays and...
Patient: I NEED PAIN MEDS! STOP GATEKEEPING YOU BIGOT!!!
"I thought gender was fluid" LOOOOOOL 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you know how to hit hard !
One shift is this: Back in the day no one looked at a butch girl or feminine boy and thought they wanted to be opposite sex. Sure some may have grown up and felt like they wanted to be opposite sex. But most just became butch and feminine adults content with their gender.
Always love your content! Your honesty is desperately needed in our world. Thank you for standing up for the truth and being willing to talk about your own experiences. ❤️
It’s fucking disgusting how much shit they get. I’ve followed quite a few on Twitter in the last month and they’re genuinely lovely people making the most of having a horrible thing done to them.
I literally cheered when you said "I thought gender was fluid." Slam dunk there!!!!!
You are definitely a legend. Brave and with integrity and absolutely not hysterical. Glad I subscribed!
love what you are doing, please keep speaking up.
sometimes truth is uncomfortable to hear, yet it brings us back to what is real.
What happened to the safeguards that used to be in place prior to surgery?
These people are hurting and deserve the same respect and support the now highly politicized groups demand.
Problem is, these highly entitled and judgmental people have become bullies and the very thing they hate.
They need to cool it with the labels.
How sad that a community that claims to always be so close and look out for one another would basically shun those who chose to detransition. Every single one of us has made a mistake or bad decision, but that is no reason to make someone feel alone or abandoned because they choose to correct a bad decision. ❤
Thank you for making these videos. I’m lgbt and I been on tons of pharmaceuticals and it’s very dangerous. People don’t know what they are getting into. The side effects of most of these drugs are terrible and your life won’t be the same again. Doctors aren’t being transparent and this message should get out to everyone regardless if you’re apart of the community or not. People need to question everything. This can harm people of all ages.
Thank you for getting these messages out. ❤️
You rule. I wish I had found your channel sooner. There are WAY too few trans people willing to give us consideration. Some time after my detransition, I did have a brief phase of reactionary, anti-trans thinking, and I don’t think I would have entertained those feelings had the trans community I divorced from not immediately alienated me. I hope your videos help to awaken a new movement of more thoughtful discussion about this extremely complicated problem!
Thank you for giving these beautiful people a space to safely tell their stories. Keep spreading truth and love.
“Detransitioner” here. What a nice change of pace to hear you talk about our stories with compassion. Just started the vid but thank you
You made excellent points here. The trans community, at large, wants people to have very light gatekeeping and wants these folks who detransitiion to remain silent. Basically they want to have their cake and eat it too.
So many radical groups before them have acted in similar ways, with varying degrees of success. It’s important we must listen to everyone and we must not let fear of being labeled something control us. Speak for truths sake, even if it’s the hardest thing to do.
I support and madly respect detransitinioners who are sharing their experience online. Because of them I no longer question my gender. It was such a relief when I saw a detrans girl for the first time, it was like a miracle to me - yeah, you CAN be wrong about your gender!
I really love your channel. You always approach your topics with respect and understanding from both sides.
There are some alarming similarities between detrans and war vets. Stood on the front lines, went bravely into the unknown, came back disfigured, forgotten by the people they stood for...
I'd love for you to go on Blaire Whites podcast. Both of you are giving detransitioners a voice. And both of you have voices of reason. Which is so rare in this day in age.
I really enjoy your points Marcus, a fresh and rational point of view, what todays world actually needs.
r/detrans had 1,200 members back in 2019. now it's 2023 and it has 46,000 members. yeah, totally not a social contagion at all
It’s at over 47 thousand right now. It’s growing exponentially.
and yet the activists say "it never happens" or 0.01% regret it wherever they pulled that stat from, guarantee its not a 2023 stat
You're almost at 20k subs! Keep up the great content. Your voice is extremely important!
I got banned from Reddit for saying that 12 year olds should not get to make medical decisions
I have no problem going all mama bear whenever I see a detransitioned kid getting bullied. As a bisexual for 30 years I've seen it all, but I've never seen a community be so outrageously harmful to members of their own. They are so afraid to take care of their mental health that their paranoia and narcissism has spread to the point of cult fetish. This does not help anyone get the right mental help that is needed.
I wish I could talk to all de-transitioners and comfort them.
Im so glad I get to know about your existance Marcus, here in YT as another Transsexual Voice of Reason that does not fall in the cultist mentality of the Rainbow Cult. Allowing these spaces to have a voice of their own is so important. I feel really sad for those detransitioners and how some ended up with "reverse gender dysphoria" if you can call it that way. I hope many can find peace or have found peace within themselves!
Thank you Marcus for highlighting this issue and bringing such clarity to it. What you say makes so much sense! I believe there are actual people with gender dysphoria whose only option to relieve the anguish is to transition. No doubt in my mind. But I believe self-identification is bringing in groups with other underlying issues for whom transitioning would not be a solution. Good responsible gatekeeping is needed to keep everyone safe. And the stories of detransitioners are so important for many communities, not just the trans community. For instance some of the stories I've heard so far, that concerned detransitioning women also highlighted the problems many women face dealing with womanhood that can lead to much suffering and mental issues. Escaping womanhood could present itself like a solution to someone in great pain. Its only good if these issues come to the attention more. (this is just an example, the issues are of course far more diverse and complex)
Also if more people started getting correct diagnoses and the correct help, wouldn't the waiting lists for help for actual trans-people drop? Wouldn't that help the trans community? Once again, thank you Marcus for amplifying these voices.
I love your views so much. I agree. Wholeheartedly and I’m not trans. They wouldn’t be “detransitioners” if they were “never trans”. The trans community and the lgbtq+ community is just a confusing mess of sensitive hard headed people who can’t seem to grasp that being TRULY trans, isn’t for everyone. Going through life changing surgeries isn’t for everyone. And the people who have never gone through a surgery, never had anything change drastically about their body besides their hairstyle and what they wear, calling themselves trans, they have no clue how it feels to have regret for something so drastic. And they’re most of the people who bully detrans people. It’s so frustrating lol they say love everyone until you don’t agree with their views.
Marcus, you are so intelligent and make complete sense. You are an asset to the trans community and you have helped educate many of us to understand the trans experience.
Thank you for keeping shedding a light on these stories x
so glad there are humans like you willing to speak up and stand up for the DeTransitioners. I can't even imagine or fathom how it feels, so it's important they have trans people on their side standing with them. since someone like me can give support, but can't always understand what this group of people are going through.
much love to everyone xoxo
I do have mental health conditions such as bipolar 2, but I was also diagnosed with gender dysphoria and have been in transition for 9 years, 8 years on blockers and 7 years on estrogen. Transition has improved my quality of life immensely. I am saving up for some surgeries. Anyways my point of my comment was they should gatekeep who gets access to trans surgeries and treatment for transsexuals. I know they need to gate keep it so only transsexuals and nobody else can get this treatment. Plus therapists need to dig deep with their patients to rule out any other possibilities like they used to when I started HRT.
Last year I took a psychology class. When to subject of transgender individuals came up I got a lot of hate from my fellow classmates when I spoke about my position.
I said that I believed that transgender individuals should have between 3-6 months of exploratory therapy not just gender affirming therapy. Exploratory therapy helps people find the root cause of their feelings. It can help people find and work through their feelings such as depression, anxiety, and any other emotional issues they may experience. This could greatly reduce the rate of detransitioners as well as the suicide and depression rates within the trans community.
I was accused of being transphobic by some of my classmates but my thoughts on the subject did open the class up to having an interesting conversation on the subject.
How about we show some compassion for people that are lied to, misled, got butchered by criminal doctors, robbed of happiness and are suffering horribly. Mentally and physically. It's bad enough that main stream people are jerks about it, but to have your own community be ignorant is seriously disturbing. I'm not Trans nor gay, so I can't claim to even begin to understand the psychological pain, but I am a human being and I'm absolutely horrified about what is done to all of you on a medical standpoint alone.
Medical professionals that use human beings like lab rats, while lying and in spite of statistics continue to destroy people's lives... should be charged with crimes against humanity.
To the Trans people that trash talk ANYONE in serious physical and or mental pain ( for whatever reason) ... you should be ashamed of yourselves, don't expect compassion or decency when you are seeking validation, you're trash.
Much love to everyone else.
I luv how it’s always “my life why does it matter to you want I do with my life and body? “ until it’s not about them LOL
Great video Marcus, learned a couple new things. I am so glad you have been so positive and outspoken. I've been an LGBTQ "ally" (are we called that these days) for 30 years (yep old enough to be your mom lol) Way back in my day my trans friends had to go through a lot before they could go through full transitioning, our government (Canada..yeah I know we've changed) wanted to make sure you were doing what you really felt was right and all doctors had to be on board. Its young people like yourself that are going to make the difference, keep speaking up I love your videos!
Thank you for this Marcus. It is so crucial that de - transitioners are able to publicly tell their stories
The only thing that's needed is to add the letter "D" to the LGB alphabet line up, and everything will be OK.
And some kind of symbol on the flag...dont forget that... :DDD
As a 75 year old straight woman, the increasing number of letters has been confusing after a life of having several gay and one trans friends. That was simple.
I appreciate your calm and clear insights. It's given me more clarity on what everyone is going through.
Thank you verry much, for showing the detrans stories, the stories of those that have detrans. Be blessed. Thank you for your videos. Keep up the good work.
It scares me to think that I could have been a detransitioner. I had legitimate gender dysphoria at the time, but not for the reason I thought. Turns out I had a severe hormonal condition that was CAUSING dysphoria, and transitioning would have exacerbated it. I got a diagnosis. I got treatment (which, for me, does involve HRT because my body can’t produce its own hormones). The dysphoria went away
Wow I did not know that was a thing please share your story everywhere!
@INTHELIFE absolutely the most expecting thing about the human body is the unexpected
I saw a video of a detrans person the other day, who had gender dysphoria related to moderate OCD
They were immediately affirmed and put on hormones and went so far as to get some surgery.
An absolute nightmare.
The problem is, people are so afraid of being called something phobe or bigot and that's why they just let this happen.
Stop being afraid of those words people.
Wow. You presented this in such a genuine, logical and kind manner. The world needs more commentary like this. Subbed!
I’m so happy that I found you. My grand daughter is I a struggle right now. She says she’s trans but I just can’t believe it. I do support her but I really truly don’t think she’s trans. I’ve tried to get her in touch with some of my trans friends so she can talk with them and hear their stories. I’m with her no matter what. We live in a small, small minded town where she will never be accepted as a male. She has self harmed very recently and is now in therapy and on antidepressants. I do see a marked difference in her but I feel like if she could openly be who she wants to be, she wouldn’t necessarily need the medication. I don’t know. I’m struggling with it too, hard!!!!!
Good luck with saving your daughter mental health!
"She" doesn't need "her" to validate or believe she is trans, don't be stupid.
Zealots are the destruction of every single known human condition. From religion, to sexuality, to education, politics, and down to product brand preferences. This is inarguable fact. And social media is overwhelmingly taken over by absolutely insane zealots. Who believe to their core that their own personal obsessions are fact for all. It’s horrifying.
Your channel is truly a human service. Whatever our own preferences are, choices, mistakes, successes and failures are, they don’t define other people & shouldn’t be used as rabid declarations of law. You are, in my opinion, an extremely serene, enlightened and NORMAL human being. Thank you for promoting true information and respectful insights. ⭐️
Love your work, spreading awareness and acceptance is crucial. ❤️❤️❤️
Thank you so much for bringing critical thinking and intelligent rationality into the light, as a trans person, on a topic that has gone off the rails. As a 60 year old 'straight woman' (and we never hear that terminology anymore, as if it is of bygone days along with the horse and buggy, and no longer exists but for the Amish), I thought I had seen it all. When I have tried to have rational conversations with "woke" people on this topic just as you are doing, I have been called transphobic, sick, and basically an enemy of all things sacred and meaningful. I loved your comparison to the '80s vs now and you are so spot on! I feel that it's the "transfever agenda" that has induced any sort of phobia that might be occurring today....if it indeed even exists as they seem to want it to, and try so hard to provoke. I know men who are afraid to approach dating sites because they never know if they are talking to an actual woman or a medically trans person. There is nothing wrong with wanting to date a natural born woman, but as you said, many "trannys" lie. You are a gem! Love you much.
It is not "no one should ever transition" no one can ever "transition" as "transition" is impossible.
Oh this is so sad, I’m sorry for anyone going thru such a thing, It’s infuriating to think of how many people DID simply take advantage of these children (often times for their own financial gain!!)
really appreciate your level headed and logical commentary on this matter.
It’s hard to not get annoyed though, often you see and tell them , don’t rush, slow down it’s easier to see things in others rather than ourselves.
Here’s my reservations on why I don’t think you should, then they throw a tantrum, call you every name under the sun, tell you you know nothing and go and do it anyway, and your left saying I told you so.
I love how you plan out everything you say to make a genuine and valid point of view come across with kindness and care. It's clear you put a lot of thought into making videos and I hope you continue for a long time to come!
I just want people to be safe and do the right thing for themselves so they don't end up like my TransBrother who killed themselves 1 year after surgery and left a wife and child behind...
Mostly being nosey, is a trans brother an mtf or a ftm.
It’s the wife and child part that throws me. Make it make sense.
I’m old and things don’t mean what they use too
@@christinaedwards5084 I'm guessing M to F
I'm so sorry honey. 😔
@@christinaedwards5084 His wife was artificially inseminated
@@AzazelsWings Thank you..❤️
New to your Channel, it showed up in my feed. I'm glad you're speaking up for those who detransition and those who are considering the transition. It's good that you created a positive space and a place where one can get answers. I'm an older lesbian who remembers when being transsexual was not as easy as it is now. My friends who were trans are mostly all dead. If not by Suicide or murder there are the drug overdoses and mental breakdowns that was a plague to them. A lot of them did not have the option of the transitioning nor were they allowed to say I made a mistake. Those who were murdered were murdered because they were out tricking to make money for their hormone treatments. The suicides they die because they realized that transitioning was not the answer to their problems it only created more. And these were people who had years of therapy years of trying on their new bodies by cross-dressing before transition and they still went through transition despite the fact they knew it was a bad fit. If D transitioning were available to them I'm sure a lot of them would be alive today. The political climate of today seems that no one is permitted to make a mistake in any genre of life. Will there be transition a misinterpretation for misunderstanding of something that's been said down to just joining the wrong group. Seemingly none of these transgression are forgivable, even voting is considered a hostile act and Unforgivable. What I'd love to see is a much gentler and less opinionated Society. People have forgotten the nursery rhyme about sticks and stones they let words hurt them like small children do when someone says you're a booger head. Well that's enough of my rant. Thank you for doing what you do. May you always find peace and happiness in Who You Are.
Detransitioners need to be heard however it's only the far left and trans people still figuring themselves out, trying to silence detransitioners not the trans community itself so the best thing we can do is show detransitioners that we care about them but at the same time we shouldn't attack the entire community. David raimer is a prime example of a detransitioner and he is a prime reason why the dsyphoria that they feel from transitioning should be talked about because like him it could cause them to take they're lives also the far left doesn't realize that this kind of behavior gives terfs power because the detransitioners that feel denied will look to them for support because they're just there.also please let's remember that Transsexual aren't the only trans identity there's also transvestites which includes gender non conforming people there is no real or fake transsexuals or transgenders just some gender non conforming people with egos.
It's frustrating that "transphobia" and "anti-trans" basically means any time a trans person disagrees or feels "threatened." Detrans people can't tell their stories because it's "transphobic." Can you imagine if we told trans people to keep their stories to themselves because it might upset all the "cis" people? Many things can be true at once; people can tell their stories, informed adults can decide to transition and physicians can do their jobs and gatekeep to make sure people are making the right choice. Detransphobia is real. They're a smaller minority than trans people, so they're higher up on the oppression totem.
"They keep saying 'I used to be trans.' No, you never were!"
I don't know why this commenter is disagreeing with the detransitioners; that's kind of their point, don't you think? 🤔
They had other issues that they were confusing with gender dysphoria, and yet because of the current social climate, they were guided into transition. A transition that wasn't right for them or their medical/mental/emotional needs.
THAT'S the problem, THAT'S the point. The fact that people are pushing for transitioning to be so quick and easy to begin, the fact that so many other issues are being forced into the "trans" box, the fact that most medical professionals can't do anything but "affirm" someone who says they're questioning their gender (or risk losing their career)- these are the problems. The fact that we now have so many people "who aren't even trans" that have began/gone through irreversible transitions IS the issue.
You obviously don't get it
@@lady4191
What exactly don't I get?
I really appreciate your take on these issues. Keep up the thought-provoking discussion.
I like the plant in the blue pot....
You have no idea how much I appreciate you and your view point. It is common sense. How unfortunate that most people will "pick a side" and extreme point of view.
I used to consider myself a proud liberal, but now I find myself being a moderate one.... This gender ideology thing has gone too far and even contradicts itself. I like hearing all sides of the story and detransitioners should have a voice too! The whole transitioning thing is still somewhat of an experiment. We don't know what's on the other end...we don't know what the long-term effects are. We just supported it as a way to provide psychological relief to people with gender dysphoria. Knowing more about it should be a good thing, not a bad thing. And you can't control the narrative by discriminating a whole group of people and preventing them from speaking about their experiences.
The world needs louder voices like yours.💙
As a person who was put on benzos for four years after my sister died in 2013 and now has gone through horrible withdrawal and permanent damage, NO...professionals are NOT always professional.