Should Abortion Be the FIRST Issue or the ONLY Issue?
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- How important is abortion when casting your vote? John sheds light on this hot topic, addressing the accusations of "single-issue" voting among Christians and conservatives.
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Unfortunately, one candidate supports abortion up until the moment of birth for all 50 states, and the other candidate says each state should have the right to legalize abortion abortion up until the moment of birth. Unfortunately, the candidate who claims to be pro-life has now taken the position of the pro-slavery issue in the 1840's. It is a states rights issue. Very, very sad.
Not true.
@@Bc232klmThat's literally what Trump said. So... True
@@isheworthyyeah, because Trump is always a completely accurate source of information.
@@Gek1177You misunderstand me. Trump said that he is unwilling to support an abortion ban.
@@isheworthy fair enough that is true but it was incorrect to tell the first comment that what the OP said is true.
I don’t care what any mortal man says or thinks about abortion. In my heart and moral guide, God inspires me to fight for human life.
Then you can't ever vote republican.
Seems your morals differ from the christian gods then. He had no problem wiping out wipe out life in horrific ways.
@@somerandom3247 Seems like you don't know the Bible too well XD
If you had any morals you wouldn't want to legally enforce your religious beliefs onto other people.
@@Gek1177 Me being anti-abortion isn't a religious belief.
When the right to life is denied nothing else really matters. Then you know you're dealing with people who think nothing of you and will take away everything else they can.
Ironic coming from a Christo-facist.
@@Gek1177That's just your go-to word for people you disagree with, "facist"? Like do you even know what that means?
@@thatsanepicbmwthat's ironic coming from the member of a community that calls everything Marxist, including millionaire Democrat politicians in the pockets of private industry.
A fascist is a person who believes that the in an authoritarian form of Nationalism sufficed with a national morality, a hard rejection of modern and progressive values, and convinced of a plot that is undermining the "people".
A Christo-facist is just that but combined with the belief that the nation is and ought to be Chrstian.
So yeah, I know that describes the OP. Not sure about you.
@@thatsanepicbmw Festy is a Christo fascist... and a zionist.
@@mattslater2603
Hey $hlat$hot, you're a pseudoscience believer who represents nothing at all.
Except pseudoscience, of course.
Thank you CrossExamined
Politics is ALL about division, distraction, and deception, and what was the number one sign Jesus gave the disciples about the end of the age?
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?” And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one DECEIVES you." (Matthew 24:3-4)
Let's check out some others in regards to rulers, kingdoms, and those in authority:
“Praise be to the name of God for ever and ever; wisdom and power are his. He changes times and seasons; He DEPOSES kings and RAISES UP others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning." (Daniel 2:20-21)
Jesus answered, “My kingdom is NOT of this world. If My kingdom WERE of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is NOT from here.” (John 18:36)
"...For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are APPOINTED BY God." (Romans 13:1)
At the end of the day I'll trust in the Lord, Who, under His sovereignty, has given authority to people to be in their respective places and roles for such a time as this (as He has from the beginning).
We don't need to like who's there, we don't need agree with who's there, nor approve of their policies, but He has them there for His "specific purposes". And that's to move things further along to the FINAL end He told us of long ago (and I think we are just about there ⌛).
Maranatha!
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Agreed! I definitely received a very similar revelation from the Lord. We definitely shouldn't lay down and accept evil. But the scriptures will be fulfilled. The prophecies from Daniel to Revelation will happen!! But what was the last encouragement we received from the book of Daniel? The feet which is the last human kingdom would be dashed to pieces by the rock that was carved out but not by human hands. The rock filled the whole earth which represents his kingship being the final kingdom.
Jesus Himself spoke up against the leaders of his day. Paul criticized the Roman empire. Being passive is unbiblical.
@@DiggitySlice Please show me the verses where Jesus commanded that (?). Or Paul because you mentioned it (?)
I can't seem to find those.
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And I think Jesus final command was pretty clear my friend.
Matthew 28:18-20
[18] And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. [19] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [20] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
So before spouting off about being unbiblical, I highly suggest you back that up with Scripture (which I did above, and added to just now).
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God isn't red or blue, but He is pro life!
Jesus lives ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
Actually the Bible isn't pro life.
The pro life section of Chrstianity basically just twists the Bible to justify their desire to control women.
Amen to that.
@@Gek1177 I wonder if you'll ever stop trolling
@@gi169 God bless you
@@JadDragon I wonder if you'll ever become a big enough man to actually think for yourself.
In any election, a voter must look at the whole range of proposed policies and the core values of each party and candidate.
Abortion is a great evil that must be addressed but it is not good sense to vote for a man who 'bans abortion' but has policies that destroys life for the non-aborted.
The problem is that in every election I have watched, not one candidate has made good on the campaign promises. It seems to me that the next election for POTUS you may have a choice between voting for a totally dishonest man who will promise you 'everything' and then fail to deliver or a totally senile man who will not remember what he said he would deliver. The failure of western democracy is that the worst candidates seem to end up as the only choice. How a country ends up with one candidate who should be in prison and one who should be in a rest home is a mystery.
Aging population.
Too many blue heads with rotted brains.... voting for other blue heads with rotted brains.
This is what you get.
The two-party system is broken. It was originally supposed to funnel extremists towards the center - racists and Ayn Rand types would vote Republican because the GOP was a bit more Right than the Dems. Communists and eco terrorists would vote Dem because they were a bit more Left. But the country would remain roughly in the center.
Around 1980, both parties started to fall to extreme factions. Party members are more radical than the average person, and they decide the primaries. Dems are Woke gender-warriors - really good at getting 72 genders on federal forms, instituting DEI programs, but never really reforming employment, housing, retirement, or the other pressing economic matters people vote Left for. Republicans are a minority who cling to power through quirks of the Electoral College and district gerrymandering. It seems like they want to burn the whole place to the ground just so the boss's boss's boss can make an extra $5. And they're pro-life? Please.
What did Trump do to deserve prison, exactly?
You being an extreme centrist doesn't make you wise, it just means you're ignoring everything good about Trump to believe in your terminal fence sitting
@@xinosajthat's why Trump matters. He's not a typical Republican. He made both parties mad and that's exactly why we need him
You have to vote for the person you believe will align with your core beliefs and morals the best. They will not be perfect. If we did not have a Trump republican govt, ROE V WADE would still be the law of the land. That was a step in the right direction. You vote for the person that you believe will protect your freedom to speak and right to being a Christian. Clearly the leftist ideology threatens this, by calling Christians bigots, intolerant, etc etc.
Not aligned with my core beliefs, rather I must vote for those most aligned with biblical truths. None are 100% aligned, but there is a very clear dividing line. Read the political party’s platforms!
@@FreeGirl9608 Assuming your core beliefs are biblical... is what I meant.
Yes thank you. I'd really like to have Jesus as president but since I can't, I should be aiming for the best I can get. We shouldn't be forgoing positive progress because it isn't an instant magical fix
Here's the problem. The kind of candidate we want might not be able to win. So it's a shallow victory if we're just going to stick to the guy who also can't win. I want that thing to be illegal. But if too many people don't support that, then it's in vain.
We need someone who can win who will listen to us. We need someone who can help move things along to the point where we can finally be done with it with little to no resistance.
Currently, the problem is too many of the current generations see this thing as a right. They are taught many terrible values. We need to fix that.
So you wish to send women/girls to prison or to their death then
The real problem is that most Americans have enough moral character not to wish for a government that would enforce their religious beliefs onto other people.
@@lawrenceeason8007 That is not what he said.
@@harryfaber”I want that thing to be illegal” and I quote
@@lawrenceeason8007 That something is illegal does not send people to prison. You know that, I know that, you are apparently determined to twist everything to fit your agenda.
Where does the bible condemn slavery?
It doesn't. It also doesn't condemn warfare or abortion.
Would you be interested in hearing my treatment of that question? If you're looking for a thoughtless shallow sound byte, it's not that. I discuss this objection in it's pros and cons in a talk I did a couple years ago. Lots of atheists were using it like a slam dunk, but weren't really going deep enough into the issue to consider their own moral grounding (or lack thereof), or to see how scripture has several broader antislavery themes that they were overlooking. Anyway, the Bible isn't as proslavery as the critics make it out to be, but it's also not as antislavery as many Christians seem to think. And reductive materialism/atheism hasn't done any better, historically. I can send you the link if you're interested. Otherwise I won't bother you with it.
@@johnferrer42 it's pro slavery John.
Full stop.
@@johnferrer42 Atheism is just the lack of belief of god. Nothing more. It's not supposed to solve any problems, including slavery. That's philosophy, anthropology, science. Tools. And those tools actually work. The Christian bible doesn't.
@@mattslater2603
Hey $hlatz, so is this world, pal!
Over 50 million people worldwide, Einstein.
Ok, so now we know neither candidate is fully opposed to abortion. So, do we vote for the one to save many lives while still allowing some to die? Or do we stay out of it and not vote at all to say we cant support either? Need real answers and it sounds to me the video is saying we as Christians can't vote for either with a clear conscience. Am i right on interpreting this message here? I need clarity but will say biblically i believe republicans are closer than democrats....
My personal stance on it is that what the video is describing is the goal. That is what we hope for, push our leaders towards, and vote for. But if that is not an option, we should vote for the person who most closely aligns with that.
@isheworthy ok, I that's what I want to do just curious on others thoughts as I do know some who want to not vote at all which I can't seem to bring myself to do.
@@stephenblackwell5533 I support abortion, but I also support your right to speak and vote for whoever you wish regardless of why.
There is no way the modern Republican party is more Chrstian than the Democrats.
But that you think they do speaks to how deeply conservatism has corrupted western Chrstianity.
@@albaraka7519 I can't understand why you would support abortion as a normal thing. Please explain why....
Bruv
You only have 2 options sir and any other vote is wasted. You can't be a Christian and vote Democrat. Only 1 candidate has put on conservative judges to the supreme court that overturned Roe vs Wade.
Which has been an absolute disaster as the majority of the country, including Christians, are for giving woman the right to choose to continue a pregnancy.
As a Christian, I am extremely pro-life, but I also disagree with Republicans on most other things, and recently, many Republicans have been wavering on the life issue. I honestly don’t believe Republicans do anything to support life once it’s outside the womb. I could vote for Democrats if they would at least moderate on the issue, but they won’t. I don’t have anyone to vote for. I loathe the fact that we live in a two party system where unrelated issues get bundled together. It’s like paying for cable channels you don’t want.
Look at it this way: you're not so much voting for Republicans as you are voting against Democrats, who are pro-abortion up to the moment of birth, and possibly even after. It's the only system we have, and you have to play the hand you're dealt. Refusing to vote because there's no perfect candidate gives the win to Team Infanticide (not to mention all the other things they keep trying to do to our kids).
American politics is the choice between Coke or Pepsi.
@@susangarland6869Noone is pro-abortion after birth. 🤦♂️ After birth is by definition not even abortion, and there is no serious push to abort new borns and up (and by no serious I mean you may find a couple nuts, but that's the extent of it).
my thoughts as well
@@ronniejamesstepfordcoke
War (not abortion) is the single most consuming moral, humanitarian, political, economic issue of our day.
There have always been wars and rumors of wars.
They really like to blow abortion out of proportion regularly 😅
@@gi169 True. Same with abortion.
@ronniejamesstepford
Abortion is killing of the innocent. We choose war out of our own personal desires to rebel against our brothers.
Mother Theresa said that as long as there is abortion, there will be war. "If a mother can kill her own child in her womb, what is left for me and you? To kill each other."
Listen to her, and we will stop both abortion and war.
We vote against all liberal and Marxist ideologies.
For GOD so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whomsoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life 🙌
AMEN
You have benefited from this liberal democracy. Liberalism is what has brought mankind out of repression
@lawrenceeason8007 🤣 yes I like my high gas prices and low job market. The illegals flooding in is 🤦. So wonderful 🤮
@lawrenceeason8007 🤣 load of horse 💩. Everything high and ramped sin is so 🤮
@lawrenceeason8007 high everything and tons of sin isn't a benefit
I do not want abortion to continue and wish for it to be outright abolished, but 1) a candidate supporting such a position likely wouldn't win a national election, outside of a local election where such values are the norm, and 2) there are other priorities we need to address in our country (like demographic replacement from mass immigration of millions of people from the 3rd world) before we get to abolishing abortion.
So not only do you want to force people to follow your religion but you also vote based on your belief in racjst conspiracy theories?
A real catch.
@@Gek1177Saying that our country has been invaded by millions of 3rd world immigrants isn't a "racist conspiracy theory", it's an observational fact that is destroying our culture and is dividing us since most of the immigrants that are coming here aren't assimilating into our culture, morals, and values, let alone learning how to speak our native English language.
You're a real nice piece of work saying that bullcrap. Get your head out of the lying mainstream media and do some research online about the border crisis plaguing our country, a crisis that has been significantly amplified since Biden took office (10-12 million illegals have crossed our southern border over the past 4 years alone, more than at any other point in our country's history).
@@ryans8081actually I'm the only person decent enough to tell you that you fell for a racjst conspiracy theory. You must have an awful circle.
Considering there are only about 12 million illegal immigrants in America in total I'd say that your claim is hilariously incompetent.
But then again racjsm is incompetent.
@@Gek1177 That 12 million number was from a report from the center for immigration studies back in 2005, 19 years ago. A Yale University study in 2018 determined that at least 22 million illegal immigrants were in the US in 2018, couple that with the 10-12 million that have come into our country since Biden took office and now, in 2024, there are approximately 30 million illegal immigrants (that's roughly 1 in every 11-12 people in our country) that aren't legally supposed to be here.
But I wouldn't expect someone like you to know better since you just parrot the talking points you hear from the legacy media instead of do your own research online.
@@ryans8081 if you genuinely think there's 30 millions illegal immigrants in America then you're a m0ron.
The Yale estimate is between 16 and 22 million and nobody competent thinks 12 million of those arrived in the past 4 years.
And beyond that only a racjst would call immigration and invasion which will replace white society.
The real question is, what do you want to do about it
Vote Democrat to support human rights.
@@Bc232klm indeed
@@Bc232klm
Unborn babies are human.
@@texasskygirl7890nobody says they aren't. Unless are you trying to use "human" as a weasel word because you can't defend your position honestly?
@@Gek1177
Spoken like a "true" weasel 👏...
All came from God’s Foreknowledge, beginning with Jesus (Proverbs 8:22-36):
God IS eternity. Everything in this world was with God in all eternity within His foreknowledge. God brought forth Jesus first, making him God’s only begotten Son - the only one created by God’s hands *alone.* God then placed all power and spirit into the hands of Jesus, who created the heavens and the earth. Together, they made the trees, animals, etc. They made mankind in their image and likeness of Father and Son (Genesis 1:26), for all things that belong to God will be in heaven (Isaiah 11:6-9). God also created Satan, who will spend all eternity apart from God along with his servants.
All things existed in the foreknowledge of God’s infinite mind and will exist forever. Amen.
Lol... please
Can you show any of that to be true?
@@mattslater2603 Did you try reading the scriptures provided?
Abortion is not a presidential issue. Its state by state. You are missing a basic point.
Actually as it involves the constitutional liberty of fully 50% of the nation abortion is a federal issue that needs to be protected federally from the low moral character opportunists that seek to chip away at women's rights brick by brick.
Let's say abortion is murder. Should murder be a state by state issue? Do preborn babies not get basic human rights? This is definitely a national government issue.
@@emustick not everyone agrees that abortion is murder. what is your problem with every state setting up it's own guidelines?
@@Gek1177 a woman's right to terminate her own pregnancy? any other rights that women are being deprived of ....like being drafted when the draft comes back?
@@alg11297are you saying that because women are not drafted they shouldn't have bodily autonomy?
I don't want to perform abortion, I think it's bad, but I can't imagine forcing any woman to give birth, when she doesn't want to. I think it would be equally cruel.
The woman had a choice, the baby did not
@@donh1572 I met such case: 14 year old girl was raped and forced to give birth. She hated that, she didn't want to give birth. She tried to commit suicide by eating rat poison. First she was in coma for some time, then both she and her child died. This is how true loving christians protect life. Forcing someone is easiest and most cruel way possible. It's cool to say 'carry your cross', 'take responsibility for your actions', 'you chose to have sex' to someone else, when you aren't the one who has to suffer. Anyway, I won't waste my time for further discussions here, because usually christians just obey the law without any love, they just want to follow the rules and this is all they care about. I am christian myself but I don't want to be one of those.
@@donh1572So what?
@@namaluj_mi_nieboUnfortunately there are cases of rape and incest that happen and I’m sorry that happened to someone you know. It must be very difficult. That being said, abortion is a permanent “solution” to a temporary problem. As bad as that may sound, it’s never the baby’s fault. She didn’t get to choose who her parents are. That 14 year old should have been supported but also told the truth which is that no matter what, even in cases like this, abortion is not an option, because it is always 100% murder. There is no excuse to slaughtering your child. Even if you don’t want to have your child. Period.
Edit, I also read that this child and her child passed away. I am so sorry that happened to them. I can’t imagine what that is like. But even still, abortion would not have been a viable option.
@@KamiNoRanger99 abortion is never murder and people who say it is are just flat out bad people.
If you had any sense of decency whatsoever then you wouldn't be listening to Frank advocating for the religious curtailing of people's rights.
Nice set of double standards you live by, pal.
You advocate the curtailing of women's rights but ironically you're not bright enough to realize it.
Massive word salad here from him. Abortion isn't and shouldn't be an issue at all.
You talk about other people using word salads yet I'd love to hear the nonsense that comes out of your mouth to try to justify murder.
@@DiggitySlice wow. Nice try there. It isn't murder by definition. So let's start there shall we
@@DiggitySlice Terminating a pregnancy isn't murder.
so lame.
You have a moral obligation to vote for the best candidate who can win the election. If you refuse to vote for Donald Trump just because he's imperfect, that makes you complicit in Biden's victory.
A Biden victory would be good
@@lawrenceeason8007 By what metric do you assess goodness?
@@VeritasVivetby desiring to treat others well
@@lawrenceeason8007 Is it “treating others well” to allow mothers to kill their unborn babies?
@@lawrenceeason8007 Can you explain how allowing mothers the choice to kill their children is in support of that value?
The Bible allows for abortion in Numbers 5 : 11 - 31 in the case of adultery.
holy moly as if this hasn’t been debunked serval HUNDREDS of times. Do your research
No, it doesn't. It doesn't say anything about the woman being pregnant. It is only a test to see if she committed adultery or not.
@@owenyoumans5597 And what if she committed adultery and she got pregnant through adultery? What happens to her and the baby?
In Numbers, God is making the determination and carrying out the sentence. Is that the same kind of law you are supporting?
I enjoy watching the tap-dance around this topic they do. It's like that one verse about Behemoth saying its tail sways like a cedar tree. And creationists and probably some lighter Christians will die on the hill that it refers to its size, thus making it a dinosaur, no matter how much you explain to them how that is not said nor implied, it only talks about motion. Although in this case it's the opposite, where it is heavily implied if not outright stated with the "thigh falling away", but they won't accept that under any circumstance, regardless of the logical reasoning you give. It's truly fascinating.
They'll take Genesis 1:1 as talking about the Big Bang and the creation of time, space and matter, as literally said in the verse (which couldn't be further from the truth), but this is reaching, obviously (even though scholars and translators agree on this a lot).
If you say the politician *_must_* get that issue right before you'll talk about anything else, you're making it single-issue. Republicans seem to be the only ones that _claim_ to be pro-life, as long as that life is still inside the womb. After that, you're on your own, kid. Good luck (while we make more laws consolidating more wealth and create a worse economy and more poor, starving, or homeless people).
Most important issue? No, it's not. Comparing it to slavery or apartheid? You must be kidding. I used to like this channel.
What are you talking about? How are republicans anti-life once it's outside the womb? The hyper-conservative position, which is one father and one mother taking care of the children, is objectively the best environment for kids to experience.
@@Moqlnkn why do the kids of same sex couples preform better than traditional couples kids?
@@Gek1177 That is both subjective and unsubstantiated. What do you mean by "perform better?" And what studies do you have to back it up? And what about all the other studies which say the opposite?
@@Moqlnkn actually it's objective and based on decades of research that shows kids raised by sane sex couples preform better in school and have better behavioural outcomes.
Just wondering how those facts fit with your belief that one mother and one father is "objectively the best"?
@@Gek1177 I need to correct the numbers I posted:
In 2012, it was 25% of syphilis cases being from gay men. In recent years, it's gone up to about 50%, which means that gay men are 50 times more likely to contract syphilis than the rest of the population.
That's the accurate statistic.