Busted Open vs. Notsam: Who Is The Most "Influential" Wrestler | Fight Nation
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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I love this debate format! We need more of notsam vs busted open please.
This was such a great back and forth. I could watch and listen to these 2 go back and forth about pro wrestling all day.
Cool to see my 2 favorite marks do a show together. Hope we get more in the future
Are we the Funky Bunch? MARKY Marks, not even the mark, the extension of that, xD
More Sam vs. Dave at least once a month. Tremendous listen today 🎶 Time to start a new sequel, finish this story!
More of this please, this was such a good debate and the dynamic between you two is great
The Point/Counterpoint here is spectacular. 2 longtime fans, discussing a Story/Match and Not 💩-ing on each other. Need to see More "Sam & Dave" Episodes. 🤘🤘
It’s exciting that this WM has so, so many scenarios where anything can happen.
Remember Dusty Rhodes lost to Ric Flair at back to back Starrcade's 84 and 85.
And Rock lost 2 Manias in a row vs Austin at the height of his popularity...hello de ja vu Philly
Reigns lost back to back Wrestlemania's to Lesner.
All correct, and that summer Dusty won the tittle, Reigns won the title. Meaning Reigns wins beat Hogan's streak then lose to Cody at MSG this late summer or early fall
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I believe Reigns surpasses Hogan's record in September around the 9th or so.
So doubt Reigns appears at either September or October PLE. So likely either Survivor Series or Royal Rumble.
Though if it was held in MSG have it as WWE Survivor Series presents Starrcade and Cody winning it in the PLE Dusty created would be a good story ending.
That's how I see it going too
Totally agree Dave! He started the Revolution! People forget the Bullet Club rally outside of the WWE show and then All In, AEW, and then his return and this story!
Dave is biggest cody crybaby lol 😂😂 rock roasted his ass
Enjoy the ride!
Let’s go Dave!! I’m 100% with you brother!!!
@@UltimateFarmer007 Dave kinda cooked Rock back tho on the previous pod 😂
@@teemimika7105 No he didn't, The Rock roasted him...Dave could never come close to the ROCK...the Rock roast marks.
We absolutely need more of these. You guys are the best.
Of the last 10 years, Cody is in with a real shout.
You've got a good call for Danielson too, for Roman, arguably for HHH now as he presides over the product, for better or worse, you have to include Omega and The Bucks too, and a handful of other names I'm sure.
What sets Cody apart is that there's so many individual aspects that contribute to his influence.
- Leaving a job for life on his own terms
- Being the son of one of the greats and trying to forge his own name and legacy
- As with the tagline, going from undesirable to undeniable, ie a mid-card for life to a main-eventer
- Touring the indys and being successful everywhere
- Bridging the gap and befriending the forbidden unspoken talent - Bullet Club and The Elite
- Being a big part in the formation of what is considered the biggest competition WWE has had in 20 years
- Having a wrestling school that brought so many people into said company and the wider wrestling world
- Being credited as a guy that helped people backstage and was well liked
- Proving that not only is there a route to AEW, but there is a route back (obviously Drew beat him to this, but Drew didn't get the welcome back that Cody did) and you can return bigger than you left if you play your cards right and they believe in you.
- As accidental as it was - the pec injury was so good in retrospect for putting over Cody's toughness and funnelling into the next point...
- Proving that there is still such a thing as an out-and-out babyface that EVERYONE can cheer for.
- Re-establishing the idea of a back-to-back Rumble winner
- Creating a bridge from AEW to WWE for prospective talent like Jade, possibly Shawn Spears and who know in the future.
I'll stop there but I would honestly have to side with David on 'most influential of the last 10 years'.
Amazing comment!! All facts!!!
No. It’s Seth, Roman, or Brock.
Well said
The argument with Cody doesn’t hold up though because we have no way of proving where he would be if he HAD won the title. So you can’t say he’s better off for losing because there’s no outcome where he won to compare it to
That is a good point from somebody that was extremely disappointed that Cody Rhodes lost at 39. But the last year has been awesome and Cody has really proven himself to be a solid face of the company organic Babyface who had a great year. Digging deeper I do believe Cody Rhodes will finish the story it's going to be one of the biggest pops as well as the passing of the torch. Roman has been on top really for almost a decade and he is now winding down and I think once Cody Rhodes finishes the story it's really the beginning of a new era. I agree with Sam Cody Rhodes returning 3 years ago. It really was a big deal and now we are going to see him as the champ most likely for the next 5 years. He's going to definitely have a few good runs I think when it's all said and done he will be a champion several times he will have a few long runs with the belt. Once he becomes champion I think we are going to see some compelling stories with Cody. He has that it factor! I also think we will see a Roman vs Cody 3 a few years down the line.
That requires using this thing called logic
A lot of it is hypothetical. That is the issue of discussing fantasy booking, but it's also part of the fun of it for sure.
It's common sense... Once Cody wins the title, he's arrived at his destination and the narrative that keeps the people backing him is over. Then he's just another guy who made it to the top. Watch after Wrestlemania 40.
This was a great HONEST AND GREAT conversation between two wrestling fans and honest analysts
There needs to be more of this
Also.
This will be a DQ finish on both sides LOL.
This has been a great 2 year story
I agree with Dave that the Bloodline story has been the best story WWE has had going in a decade, but Cody has been the most influential wrestler of the past decade because of everything he's done beyond WWE and the people that have followed in his footsteps. How many times have you seen that GIF of Cody cupping his ear at the end of the hallway? Dude was making moves and as Dave said, creating the blueprint.
Enjoy both podcasts
sam has to be the biggest roman glazer of all time holy shit
17:13 - 17:26 - Which is WHY this year is different than last year. Last year people WANTED Cody to win, but it wasn't best for business.
This year people NEED Cody to win, and it IS best for business.
Who's gonna challenge Cody? First, Randy Orton. During Cody's title celebration on the Raw or SD after WM, Randy comes out, celebrates and then BOOM, RKO outta nowhere. Then whomever doesn't win between Seth & Drew can challenge. Then Punk. And we're already at the Rumble.
Cody is finishing the Story
18:48 - AND IF CODY LOSES AT WM40, THE STORY BECOMES GODFATHER III!!!!!
You are LITERALLY making my argument for me
Sit back and be worked. It makes wrestling even better.
I think the NEXT story for Cody is validating his championship. And this can go on for a long time.
He needs to prove his ring work: GUNTHER; he needs to prove his abilities against Luchadors: Escobar; he needs to prove himself against some one hardcore: bring up Dijak or Joe Gacy; prove his legacy: Randy Orton; a program with former Bullet Club leaders: AJ, Finn, Cody…
…he has a lot of work cut out for him after he wins the title.
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It's easy. CM Punk. He broke the mold. Shattered the glass ceiling. Being an independent guy, he proved that wrestling shouldn't be in this one box.
Awesome back & forth. My only thoughts are that since sams rule is that “everything counts.”
Cody has said his story is now beating Roman. He has also said it has to be at mania. Rock & Roman said if cody loses he can NEVER challenge Roman for the title again. Plus do we really think they will end Roman’s streak anywhere but the biggest stage of them all? It’s gotta be mania, one way or another.
" This was by far " the best episode of busted open ' I have seen ; I did not want it to end .. it was so good . 🔥💥💥🎯
you are right that its a lil more unpredictable an i been watching almost as long dave an can pick a lot of spots so this is awesome that there is some cliffhangers, leaving you to only guess what happens next, awesome story telling, good job to all of them
Kofi and daniel bryan stories are way more compelling
16:55 can you imagine it ends in a “no contest” & Roman retains by default 😂 people would RIOT 😂
16:25 Whenever Cody wins that title, I think the company will actually get behind the idea of him bringing back the winged eagle belt. Maybe they'll make it into a different variation of it for this era.
Knock it off with the nostalgia that belt is in the past it's never coming back get over it already
@@deelove7518 okay lol
Loved this...do it more often!!
Bold statement by Dave.
Bold, dumb, ludicrous, unproven, suspect, wrong.. you can say it lots of different ways
I love Stone Cold and Hulk Hogan.
Stone cold sold more shirts.
Does Hogan count the red and yellow or nWo shirts aswell.
Cause I've seen way more nWo shirts in public than any thing else.
This was a brilliant podcast fellas!
Its super easy to keep the story going after Mania...
more not sam vs busted open we love this
A buddy and I have been discussing different scenarios and the one we both could agree on is what if Cody wins and Damien Priest crashes in and beats Cody and it keeps his story going because it's similar to How Dusty won the title only for it to be taken away quickly.. But who knows what creative comes up with..
The only problem is they haven't spoken about Damian Priest. That's a good thing (want you to forget he has it) and bad because he hasn't been pushed as a main guy. He should be. But hasn't been pushed like the guy. It'll be crazy to see Damian cash on Gunther or Drew. To see both look at the camera then their face of disbelief when Damian's music hits.
@@vicredesalso to add that Priest is no where near where Seth was when Seth cashed in.
Seth Rollins is a detriment to this entire storyline. Rock is TOTALLY right when he calls him a walking clown emoji. This tag match is 3 megastars and Seth. It's a shame(although it's deserved) that Brock is banned because he would have been the perfect partner for Cody. He's an equal as far as star power and he's connected to EVERYONE in the story. He beat Rock for his first title, his history with Reigns speaks for itself, there's no Lesnar without Heyman and he feuded and then gave Cody his seal of approval. Oh well, all of that means nothing now lol. As far as Cody at WM 39 vs WM 40, this is DEFINITELY better because Cody was just gifted that main event. The 30 slot at the Rumble made the whole thing a farce. This time, he's gone through alot of shit and earned his way there.
Hello from the future, Cody won because of Seth. Congratulations Seth became a megastar way back when he betrayed the shield. The whole pivotal point of WM40.
Now shut your bitch ass up because whatever bullshit YOU think about Seth doesn't matter because Rock himself said in an insta live that Seth Rollins was the MVP of WM40. LOL. Go and hate on Seth now but people know he already had became as big as Roman EVEN without the company giving him 4 year long reign just so that he can be made legit 🤣
I love the psychology of this discussion.
Either outcome of Wrestlemania will draw fans to the WWE.
Here’s my take: Now with the Rock on the board of Endeavor, you’re looking at the new Mr McMahon character. Since the press conference, Rock has emphasized that he is in charge. He is the boss. Rock has even used part of his power towards Triple H; make this right.
I can see a scenario where Cody and Seth win at night one. Night two, free of the Bloodline, there can be a twist. I can see a moment where Rock strips the title off of Cody, puts it back on Roman. Rock can make a stipulation where Cody can NEVER face Roman again. (Maybe Royal Rumble, going in at number 1).
There can also be a power struggle between Rock and HHH. Each picking their champion, and taking the WWE to the next stage/era.
Sorry, Dave. I love Cody too. I WANT and will cry to see Cody winning the belt. I can also see Roman taking his Reigns towards more a legendary status.
Love the show. Thanks for this discussion Sam and Dave.
I agree with NotSam. If you finish the story you lose more than you gain. I’m a huge Cody fan. But they have to have a finish to this story where the fans still cheer for Cody and Roman can still be at the top. And it just doesn’t feel like a big Cody win does that.
DAVE LE MARK "KING OF THE MARKS"
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Im hoping for a double turn at Mania. Seth turns on Cody, but Cody still wins after Rock turns on Roman (splitting the Bloodline in half). So now we have camp Cody vs Mega Heel Seth and Bloodline vs Bloodline.
Isn’t it great how WWE isn’t predictable anymore post McMahon era.
For me it's less "Cody has to win the Championship at WrestleMania" but more "Roman losing the championship should be at WrestleMania at this point"
The Bloodline is an incredibly hot story but I think there’s an argument to be made that without Cody, there is no Bloodline. AEW being formed forced WWE to step its game up. Look at where we were before AEW as compared to after. In 2018, the best story we got was Styles/Nakamura and even that barely went anywhere. Since the conception of AEW, WWE has been forced to step up creatively to hold onto its market share and because of that we get stories like the Bloodline and the Damage Ctrl saga.
This was great. Maybe you could do one again before Mania with your predictions
This Bloodline story has taken me back to my childhood! My first house show was with Flair/Dusty as the main event! Fast forward to now, this whole angle with Roman/Cody is a nod to Flair and Dusty! Think about how many times Flair cheated to be Dusty, and how big the payoff was when Dusty finally won! Cody doesn't have to win at Mania to finish the story and it mean something!
Drew did what cody did before Cody lol
No. I didn't see him opening a new company. Did you? Or, did he return in a big match at WM. Oh wait, he started in NXT.
This idea that we will "never get the chance to beat Hogan again" is sooo stupid.
No one thought we would ever even get close again. Yet here we are.
FFS Cody could hold it long enough to beat Hogan too.
Remember, Hogan's record was just under a decade after Backlund. No reason you couldn't have Cody hold it for years too.
This was a great conversation to watch!
Sam's point about Randy-Cody being under Roman-Rock is a good one. If Cod wins the strap, I think Roman and Rock need to go away for a few months and let the spotlight be on Drew and Cody
Great discussion. Would love to see more of this.
Great conversation and by listening to this I’m ok with either scenario
1 the rock
2 shawn micheals
3 Ric Flair
4 Steve Austin
5 hulk hogan
Before watching, I feel like Petey Williams and Amazing Red have to be in the conversation
Yes the bloodline has been the most influential storyline but Cody’s the most influential wrestler.looking back The bloodline was hella successful Pre Cody’s return but there were alot of markets where the live events weren’t hitting. The house show averages went up when Cody came back I remembered that. He started that return to confidence of a bunch of lapsed fans. The house show numbers when he was injured went down a bit but wwe then got hot with Sami. The rumble return of Cody his merch was sold out . The Monday same thing the live events highest ever record breaking markets. We can’t attribute that to the bloodline bc the only change in that factor was cody. That momentum is largely what brought this feeling along with the story telling of the bloodline it’s both. But I cannot being honest act like oh if Cody didn’t come back when he did say oh it’s solely the bloodline bc they were on fire in some markets but there were a lot that they were Luke warm in and Cody made that huge difference.
If you ask The Rock he would call Dave a fruit booty Rudy Pooh 😭🤣
Sam... If Cody loses again, he loses all credibility. If he wins Roman becomes the attraction. I'm not a Roman hater but Roman has been on top far longer than he should have been we have so many more stories to tell with better talent. Including the most talented man on the roster that needs to beat the record for most titles.... Randy Orton. We also need the new CENA and that is Cody. He can lose it and get it back many times and the legend and company will grow.
Not for nothing there was a reason why Brock gave cody the co-sign and put him over after the match
Roman wins clean with his submission move 😮 imagine ?
Nice interview
This was so entertaining
*ok so i want to say some thing i love the last 10 min view i didnt like the back and forth shot but i feel like night one cody and seth will win the tag and then go in to night 2 with a shocking who the hell is this moment due to the "bloodline ban from ringside" that they want to go with*
If it's all time it has to be Austin. Brock Undertaker Michaels and the rest were all around during the war
They couldn't turn the tide. Austin put that company on his back. And his influence was everywhere. Every kid loved and wanted to be like Stone Cold.
Maybe not the best influence but an influence is was. #1 in merch today after a white hot CM Punk and a white hot Rock returned
The most prolific moneymaker in the history of wrestling as Cody Rhodes put it.
I feel like the rock was supposed to face roman this year have roman break hogan's record and then cody wins it next year
Has Dave took that jacket off once since the rock came back
"Hogan was the last good guy that got the bad guys booed" Eh? As a Roddy Piper fan I say you're wrong there.
Pipers best work was as a heel and that's how he spent most of his career. What are you talking about?
Mick Foley was pretty good at that.
I LOVE those movies
Here’s what will probably happen. Keep Roman off TV for a while. Rock vs Cody at Summerslam for the WWE title. Roman comes out, turns on Rock, and goes babyface. This sets up Rock vs Roman at Mania 41. Cody could go in a few directions after that. I say he ends up facing CM Punk at wrestlemania 41 for the WWE title.
haven’t been this fired up for wrestlin since i was a wee little boy
Notsam seems to be the only one I know who likes Roman reigns. Yeah he’s got one of the longest reigns but the least amount of defends and 90% of wins are bloodline interference. As a casual fan I don’t see Roman as this great wrestler I see Roman as the guy WWE booked to have this reign and nothing more. I think podcasters dissect just a little too much
Can we PLEASE stop sleeping on what Drew McIntyre did in his time away from WWE? He is the BLUEPRINT on how to reinvent yourself and then return! Cody took it to a new level, but Drew deserves recognition too.
If You’re argument is that Cody has no where to go after winning the title, I pose this question to you… Who is left for Roman? He has defeated nearly every worthy adversary there is… and if your answer is The Rock just think about this… in a Rock v. Roman feud the Universal title means little to nothing. In fact it would distract us from the true storyline there. Anyone else Roman could go on to face would feel unworthy.
Roman needs this tragedy more than Cody. His character is growing stale and predictable at the top. It’s time for him to reach catharsis.
Cody's character can survive, but the set up for his next feud has to start at Mania, and he has to make us believe he doesn't even care about the title anymore because he's so pissed off. I think Roman's character needs that title. Also, if Cody beats Roman, a Rock/Roman match doesn't mean nearly as much because Roman would have finally lost.
I've been saying that I have this feeling that Seth will turn on Cody, and Roman with the Rock and will get a brotherhood shield type of reunion. We might see the knuckles touch again! That will give Roman a longer run, a build up to Rock vs Roman and restarts this whole Cody and Seth. Cody gets screwed but in a different way and will also have the Rock and Cody major face run. It's not Cody's time, not yet!
Hmm, what if Cody and Seth win on Night 1 and Cody is on the verge of winning the WWE Championship but Tama Tonga debuts, interferes and Roman remains the WWE Champion to break Hogan's record BUT, they really need to call his Championship the "WWE Championship" to solidify it! The Rock can then call out Roman for needing his family (because he refers Haku as Uncle) to retain and is not worthy of being the Tribal Chief and asserts himself as The High Chief over the Bloodline.
Absolutely love bust it open. Totally freaking rocks.
I've been watching wrestling since the 60s but mostly from early 70s on
Oh rad! What territory were you first exposed to?
@joshuag7207 pacific northwest
Dean Silverstone was the promoter in Tacoma Washington
@@joshuag7207 and Don Owen's
@@joshuag7207 and whe did you first start watching
So Cody has made the AEW for the past 2 years? So everyone on the roster can just sit down and wait their turn! Forget The Bloodline, Sami, Seth, Charlotte, Bayley and so many. I got Sirius because of Howard and now hooked on Busted Open. Hardly listen to Howard and looking like I'm going to cacel Sirius because od what I heard now. Sam and Jim Norton are awesome and might hear more of them now.
Yes, it’s all a work. But people still notice and care about “records.”
Keep Bloodline going, keep the belt on Reigns.
Just have him beat Backlund and Hogan, at this point.
Beating Sammartino is highly unlikely, but that’s pre-modern wrestling, as mentioned.
I still don’t understand why the booking NEEDS RR with the title. It’s now back to the title making the guy. Which is good. But now let’s see Roman work a program without it. With someone who’s not a mega star or HOF Like cena or rock. Have him work a grudge with zayn, or cm punk, or any other guy who’s not on his level. Let’s see him carry a match.
It is absolutely wild that Sam can say something - unironically - like "Now is a good time to be associated with WWE" in the midst of Vince being exposed and multiple longtime WWE executives being implicated.
I don't think he's wrong, either. It's just a telling state of affairs. Good for WWE. Maybe a little questionable in some ways.
A toots mondt reference lol
How dare you disrespect our Must See WWE Champion and his Historic Win at Wrestlemania 27. (In all seriousness that video package before the Miz came out was epic)
There's a few you can bring up immediately, Danielson comes to mind. Punk, Austin, Flair, Joe, Cena, unfortunately Hogan can be a part of that conversation.
Lmao. The rock isn't up there but Bryan Daniel ? Lmao😂
FLAIR NOT EVEN CLOSE
“Bloodline is the greatest story”…
*NWO enters the chat
WWE is doing big things and because of that we are seeing a better AEW program. Wrestling as a whole is doing really well. I'm seeing more highschool indi type of shows pop as well just like the days of old.
U guys are forgetting about the rest of the roster u have heel aj u have Logan Paul u have Damion priest
WALTER?
Roman has redefined universal title, because he's a heel who holds on to the title? Didn't Brock do the same for few years? It was his era and he was crushing Roman back then.
"charm" isn't exactly the word i would use for it...
Hindsight is 20/20. People are still talking about Hogan Andre. Hogan Savage. Hogan Warrior. Flair Dusty. Flair Sting. Nwo Hogan Sting. Bret HBK. Austin McMahon. Austin Rock because it had such an impact on their childhood it still matters to them now and they still watch now. There's no kids that care about Roman Cody. Not really. 30 years from now this story won't matter like those others. I get you guys need to sell your shows though.
Um, where is the pink robe? Our crybabies leader is robeless.
Dave cody came in to the wwe while businesses was good . Was gon for 6 months while businesses kept booming if roman ans gunther werent on top . This is a different STORY
The Rock lost to Stone called at WM15 AND WM17 and then finally beat him at WM19. Cody will be just fine.
LoL Sam bringing up how only Drew is a face… my guy CM Punk could turn heel at the drop of a hat. The man was always, always better as a heel.
Whomever started the Bullet Club.
Finn Balor (Fergal Devitt)
So we know Dave can argue, and had his argument in pocket, but he couldn’t say a single word back to Russo while he was obliterating Cody and Cody’s story for 30 minutes. Not a single word Russo said could be challenged.
By the different eras Bruno Sammartino, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Steve Austin, Sting, John Cena and the part time champ that always needs help winning Roman Reigns.
Cody has to win. How long can this " i need to finish my story" last until people get tired of it?
Here comes Priest!!!! 😳
This.. honestly I'll be done watching for a bit if Cody doesn't win the title
@MIRLZY ill still watch but when it comes to cody itll be like, man f*** off and do somethin else. This story isnt gonna happen
I don't think I'll be able to watch if Cody loses. I'll keep up with UA-cam videos here and there but there's no point in getting invested in anything regularly if they decide to do that again.
Acknowledge your Tribal Chief!!! That being said if they don't give it to Cody at WM40 it will be a mistake. They have set this up, much like what Cody did in AEW, where this is his last chance, they shouldn't make that same mistake where he can't go after the championship. Roman has carried the WWE for the past 4 years, it is time for someone else to carry it. Either way we as the fans win.
If Cody loses again, he becomes Dolph Ziggler. Think about it.
Cody more than Roman? FOH. The business changed the moment they showed Paul sitting next to Roman
21:15 - What's left for him to conquer??? How about BEING the WWE Champion, defending the title. Being THE guy. The Quarterback. Bringing that title to sick/make-a-wish kids
Being the First Rhodes to be WWE Champion. How is that not enough for you???