992 porsche are delivered ONLY between march and june. Porsche is losing a lot of money on taycan, and they are NOT giving allocations for 911 to any dealer who cant sella certain amount of taycans....thsi is why you are seeing taycans selling all over the place, at extreme discounts with no buyers... DEMAND for 911 is for cars BELOW 50 thousand euro,, currently in europe there is over 1200 911 for sale and NOT a single one of them has single bidder. PORSCHEIS NOT MISSING SEMI CONDUCTORS< PORSCH I SNOT MANUFACTURING cars becuase they have had a gargantuan record of delinquencies on leasing of their vehiles for 2 straight years in a row one worse than the other.. at mercedes the situations is multiple by 20 times.... the ca rindustry in germany is at all time higg illiquiditym that could drag german baking system into a catastrophe 100 times worse than what greece suffered many years ago. expect used porsche prices go as low as 60% less of current prices early next year.
Okay, this has got to stop. Car flipping isnt a real market. The 992 blows the doors off previous Porsche models in every way possible. The 992 Carrera S is about as fast as a 991.2 GT3 on a circuit racetrack. The U.S is poised for a credit market CRASH with unserviceable debt loads. The stimulus packages went to .025 % of the wealthiest people on this planet in America. TSMC predicts a OVERABUNDANCE of 4nm chipsets by summer 2022, and Chinese suppliers are at FULL capacity for auto supplies. The bottleneck is shipping lanes. America has seen a housing price increase in some wealthy parts as much as 19% ON AVERAGE, WITH NO JOB BASE9 CREATED. The bottom line is, YOU WILL MOST LIKELY LOSE MONEY Buying OLD CAR OR NEW CAR INVESTMENTS VERY SOON.
Just curious. Did you have any source of the production number or sales figures of certain models? US market or worldwide. Or is it it's only the deals of used car market?
I own 4 supercars (458 scud performante r8) and 2 regular 911s and pretty much everything has appreciated. I sold the 2 911s for a profit recently because I figure I can always buy back these mass produced models. I am looking for more limited supercars to buy as I don’t want to wait a year or two, but many have gotten so high it’s hard to justify (such as the Porsche gt). Obviously I have looked at “forgotten” models such as f12 599 ff murcie SLR sls but some of those have such low inventory there’s limited choice and One can’t statistically confirm an average fair price since nothing is moving. I am wondering if u can make a video to see which low volume supercar hasn’t appreciated as much and has potential. Thank u!!
If the title video considers that it was bad to own a 992, I guess it would be very awful to own an m3/4 since the reselling value is less interesting than Porsche
What an interesting time. The “worst” 911 to own ‘only’ APPRECIATED by 8%. Hopefully in two weeks we can finally close out the modern Porsche market analyses with the 986 Boxster. 😉
I just sold my Porsche 992 into the trade for it's new price at 18 months old. At the moment they are selling retail 1 year old with nearly a 10 percent premium. That includes my car which popped up on a dealer advert. Although there is low supply of new cars I think you have to be really motivated to buy a regular production used car for a new price when it isn't a GT or special limited numbers model.
These are cars!!!! Why does everyone think that owning a Porsche is an investment in art. It’s not!!!! Cars don’t appreciate. We buy Porsches because they are fun to drive. That’s it. Period.
I hate being this guy but i have no sympathy for anyone subscribing to this reason to buy a car. Buy it cause you love it. These are not investment assets dammit. You want that do that. Its like driving your 911 off-road to the campsite. Sure you have the cool top compartment, but you wrecked your under carriage. Just buy an SUV. Its the same here your buying a car as an investment? Silly. Just go invest in a proper investment.
The reason the 992 has appreciated the least is because their isn’t enough of them to go around. It’s forcing everyone who wants a 911 to get a 996/997/or 991
997.2 may be more reliable, but the dfi engines don’t have the character of the 3.8 or 3.6’s in the 997.1 and 996 cars. They don’t sound as good either
I have the same feeling. Coming from a 986 and test driving a couple 997.2 Cab S we felt let down with the feel and the sound in comparison. Not giving up on our 911 dream we found a 30000 mile 2008 997.1 Cab S. This car put the smile back on our face's, sound, throttle response and just the feel in general. It now sits in our stable with the only problem being do I get to drive or does my wife get to drive, and man can she drive that thing!
@@gregmayled I have only one regret buying the 997, I have no room for a 993. I think having a Porsche is addictive and one is never enough. I'm watching the 993 market very carefully these days, on BAT everyday. If the right one comes up we may need an add on to the garage. Having both the pinnacle of the air cooled and the, arguably, best driving water cooled side by side would be lovely.
This information does not seem consistent with some of your other recent videos. In this video, you are saying there is NO depreciation in a 2 year old car. That it's already climbing in value like it was 10+ years old, after a long period of depreciation. You have other recent videos that show long periods of price declines in 911's before they ever level out, and later begin to climb. If your data is accurate, it confirms to me that this market is severely screwed up, and is about the worst time possible to buy a Porsche. I was looking to buy, but not now. This is a bubble that is going to burst. I'll wait until then.
992 is a beast but the interior I am not in love with, they almost intentionally stepped away from the purist internal format for the porshe. 992 feels like a bmw mercedes inside i dont care for it perosnally. exterior is pretty awesome though. just not enough for me to abandon my 991.2 911 careera T manual.
@@tomingrassiaimages8776 I suppose it depends what you mean by reliability. My 992 (C2S cab) was certainly reliable, but it rattled like a child’s toy. On inspection the reason was obvious: cost cutting and the use of cheap materials. The engineering was fabulous - the car was a joy to drive - but if I’m spending £125k on a car I expect better. The build and material quality on my many BMWs is simply in a different league. I think it’s just sad.
@@tomingrassiaimages8776 hey relax! - the 992 really is a fantastic car. Yes, I was disappointed with the build quality and the cost cutting but I’m the the kind of guy that just can’t live with rattles! Really hope you love the car - but if it rattles, make sure your dealer fixes them!
It’s bad enough people want $300k USD+ for a used 992 Turbo S. I really want a 991.2 or 992 turbo S Cabrio but with current prices I would much rather get a Lexus LC500 convertible for GT/top down purposes and a used Taycan Turbo S both for the same price as a 991.2-992 turbo s price….
Any 996 increase is due to the fact that values were in the toilet for 15 years. 996 is shit but given the supply issues they r demanding more money. They are still shit.7
My 2020 992 S - I’ve driven it for 5000 miles and had it 18 months. I’m being offered the same money as the day I got it. Excellent investment. But shit car bad build quality. Door handles Bose speakers leaking brake lights. All shit
Only buy Japanese. Their factories are the best in the world and the cars have highest quality and reliability. lc500 for example is better built than a rolls Royce
Really folks. We need to start learning to unsubscribe from disingenuous title and clickbait. Unsubscribe and downvote. You can convey the same message effectively and get the same audience without clickbait.
Why do you think this is a clickbait title?It's a channel about car values and the title states that the 992 was the worst to own when compared to other 911s. This is line with the video content and the data on which the content is based.
@@fourwheeltrader I’ll ask a simple question before i dive into details. Are you objectively saying that the 992 is the worst 992 to own based on the appreciation rate compared to older 911 platforms? Meaning you’ll recommend owning an older platform not the 992.
@P1ca550 No that's not what the video says or what it recommends. The video says quite clearly that compared to other 911 generations, the appreciation rate was the worst for the 992. Therefore, "based on the price increase alone, the 992 was the worst 911 to own" ( 9:38 ) . The video doesn't provide recommendations as to what you should do with this information, that's up to you. In my perspective, the title could only be interpreted as clickbait by people who are expecting a video which justifies the value label 'the worst' by anything else than the price development. It's unlikely that these people are subscribed as my channel only discusses car values. I'm against the use of clickbait titles and i also don't gain anything from it. As far as I'm aware, youtube only counts a video view once a viewer watched at least 30 seconds of the video. In the first 30 seconds i clearly state that this is a video about price developments. Therefore, the viewer knows quickly what he or she can expect to see and based on this decide to watch it or not.
*Which car would you like to see analysed next?*
G Wagon please
ND1 miata vs ND2 miata please
Lotus Exige Final Editions :)
992 porsche are delivered ONLY between march and june. Porsche is losing a lot of money on taycan, and they are NOT giving allocations for 911 to any dealer who cant sella certain amount of taycans....thsi is why you are seeing taycans selling all over the place, at extreme discounts with no buyers... DEMAND for 911 is for cars BELOW 50 thousand euro,, currently in europe there is over 1200 911 for sale and NOT a single one of them has single bidder.
PORSCHEIS NOT MISSING SEMI CONDUCTORS< PORSCH I SNOT MANUFACTURING cars becuase they have had a gargantuan record of delinquencies on leasing of their vehiles for 2 straight years in a row one worse than the other.. at mercedes the situations is multiple by 20 times....
the ca rindustry in germany is at all time higg illiquiditym that could drag german baking system into a catastrophe 100 times worse than what greece suffered many years ago.
expect used porsche prices go as low as 60% less of current prices early next year.
BMW M3/M4 F8X model
Okay, this has got to stop. Car flipping isnt a real market. The 992 blows the doors off previous Porsche models in every way possible. The 992 Carrera S is about as fast as a 991.2 GT3 on a circuit racetrack. The U.S is poised for a credit market CRASH with unserviceable debt loads. The stimulus packages went to .025 % of the wealthiest people on this planet in America. TSMC predicts a OVERABUNDANCE of 4nm chipsets by summer 2022, and Chinese suppliers are at FULL capacity for auto supplies. The bottleneck is shipping lanes. America has seen a housing price increase in some wealthy parts as much as 19% ON AVERAGE, WITH NO JOB BASE9 CREATED. The bottom line is, YOU WILL MOST LIKELY LOSE MONEY Buying OLD CAR OR NEW CAR INVESTMENTS VERY SOON.
Just curious. Did you have any source of the production number or sales figures of certain models? US market or worldwide.
Or is it it's only the deals of used car market?
Please so many auctions about Audi RS2, it deserves a video
I own 4 supercars (458 scud performante r8) and 2 regular 911s and pretty much everything has appreciated. I sold the 2 911s for a profit recently because I figure I can always buy back these mass produced models. I am looking for more limited supercars to buy as I don’t want to wait a year or two, but many have gotten so high it’s hard to justify (such as the Porsche gt). Obviously I have looked at “forgotten” models such as f12 599 ff murcie SLR sls but some of those have such low inventory there’s limited choice and One can’t statistically confirm an average fair price since nothing is moving. I am wondering if u can make a video to see which low volume supercar hasn’t appreciated as much and has potential. Thank u!!
That's a good idea for a video. However, as you say, many of them are low volume markets and that makes it difficult to get reliable results.
675LT is McLaren’s masterpiece … 4-5 year out will likely see interest 1 of 500 global rare
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO FOR 944S AND 928 MODELS
I love my 992 S. If there is enough value in it in a few years time so I can upgrade to a GTS then I’m happy.
If you look at gross increase of dollars, the 992 probably had the highest increase. Looking at percentage makes it looks worse…
Not in the supercar department, but Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio (few data) or BMW M3/M4 would be interesting - Awsome cars!
If the title video considers that it was bad to own a 992, I guess it would be very awful to own an m3/4 since the reselling value is less interesting than Porsche
@@Criminelsoyeux I do not think that would be true for the older models. Particulary the V8 M3 would be interesting in terms of price trend
@@blackbeastsquad994 you right but since you were mentioning about Quadrifoglio , I thought about G80 models obviously
As the owner of a Giulia Quadrifoglio I can tell you that it absolutely is a supercar
What an interesting time. The “worst” 911 to own ‘only’ APPRECIATED by 8%.
Hopefully in two weeks we can finally close out the modern Porsche market analyses with the 986 Boxster. 😉
I have a boxster market video scheduled for January :)
I just sold my Porsche 992 into the trade for it's new price at 18 months old. At the moment they are selling retail 1 year old with nearly a 10 percent premium. That includes my car which popped up on a dealer advert. Although there is low supply of new cars I think you have to be really motivated to buy a regular production used car for a new price when it isn't a GT or special limited numbers model.
I bought one to drive it buddy...the 992 is in a league of its own
Fantastic content - your videos are always interesting and well explained - thanks!
Thanks! It's great to hear that you like the channel.
Yeah, really fantastic bullshit!
These are cars!!!! Why does everyone think that owning a Porsche is an investment in art. It’s not!!!! Cars don’t appreciate. We buy Porsches because they are fun to drive. That’s it. Period.
I hate being this guy but i have no sympathy for anyone subscribing to this reason to buy a car. Buy it cause you love it. These are not investment assets dammit. You want that do that. Its like driving your 911 off-road to the campsite. Sure you have the cool top compartment, but you wrecked your under carriage. Just buy an SUV. Its the same here your buying a car as an investment? Silly. Just go invest in a proper investment.
Just sold my 997.2 6spd Carrera at a premium👌🏻
That's why I LOVE my 996 Gen 1 ~~!
9X6 CULT!!! 🤘
People trying to sell their 992 in the hot market.
Just ordered my 911s 992. It’s a bit of a wait but I test drove a similarly equipped model. It’s an amazing car.
Did you get the base or the S? From what I hear the base is more fun to drive on a daily basis
The reason the 992 has appreciated the least is because their isn’t enough of them to go around. It’s forcing everyone who wants a 911 to get a 996/997/or 991
That’s not how supply and demand works 🤣 based on your theory the price should appreciate the most
997.2 may be more reliable, but the dfi engines don’t have the character of the 3.8 or 3.6’s in the 997.1 and 996 cars. They don’t sound as good either
I have the same feeling. Coming from a 986 and test driving a couple 997.2 Cab S we felt let down with the feel and the sound in comparison. Not giving up on our 911 dream we found a 30000 mile 2008 997.1 Cab S. This car put the smile back on our face's, sound, throttle response and just the feel in general. It now sits in our stable with the only problem being do I get to drive or does my wife get to drive, and man can she drive that thing!
@@rickgammie9659 ah I’m very jealous. I’ve been saving up to buy a 997.1 for a while now and the prices keep going up. Hopefully I find one soon.
@@gregmayled I have only one regret buying the 997, I have no room for a 993. I think having a Porsche is addictive and one is never enough. I'm watching the 993 market very carefully these days, on BAT everyday. If the right one comes up we may need an add on to the garage. Having both the pinnacle of the air cooled and the, arguably, best driving water cooled side by side would be lovely.
What about the 991. 2 Carrera T? Is the PDK less desirable? Does more options get more depreciation?
Please do McLaren P1 I want to see depreciation analysis
It doesn't take many years when even the standard air cooled Carreras cost more than the new equivalents. Mark these words.
This information does not seem consistent with some of your other recent videos. In this video, you are saying there is NO depreciation in a 2 year old car. That it's already climbing in value like it was 10+ years old, after a long period of depreciation. You have other recent videos that show long periods of price declines in 911's before they ever level out, and later begin to climb.
If your data is accurate, it confirms to me that this market is severely screwed up, and is about the worst time possible to buy a Porsche. I was looking to buy, but not now. This is a bubble that is going to burst. I'll wait until then.
True, normal depreciation patterns don't apply in today's market. Basically all cars went up in value.
992 is a beast but the interior I am not in love with, they almost intentionally stepped away from the purist internal format for the porshe. 992 feels like a bmw mercedes inside i dont care for it perosnally. exterior is pretty awesome though. just not enough for me to abandon my 991.2 911 careera T manual.
nicest audis porsche has ever produced... that is what the interior makes me think of in the 991 on...
@@rodanone4895 I like the interior of the 992 much better than 991. I am biased because I have a 992 Targa4S on order.
@@tomingrassiaimages8776 CONGRATS!!! I mean. I think they're all great. i drive 996s 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
There is a bigger market for sub £100k cars as middle income individuals can stretch to afford them. I think it is as simple as that.
Characteristic is pronounced /ˌkærɪktəˈrɪstɪk Great videos! Cheers from Italy!
I wanted to buy my first Porsche and like the 911 992, but after all this nonsense I will wait until the gouging stops :(
The reason the 992 is the worst 911 to own is Porsche is now taking the proverbial out of its customers with utterly appalling build quality.
And it is the most reliable car according to national testing labs.
@@tomingrassiaimages8776 I suppose it depends what you mean by reliability. My 992 (C2S cab) was certainly reliable, but it rattled like a child’s toy. On inspection the reason was obvious: cost cutting and the use of cheap materials.
The engineering was fabulous - the car was a joy to drive - but if I’m spending £125k on a car I expect better. The build and material quality on my many BMWs is simply in a different league. I think it’s just sad.
@@colinhardy7203 yikes. I have a 992 Targa C4S on order.
@@tomingrassiaimages8776 hey relax! - the 992 really is a fantastic car. Yes, I was disappointed with the build quality and the cost cutting but I’m the the kind of guy that just can’t live with rattles! Really hope you love the car - but if it rattles, make sure your dealer fixes them!
This isn't a stock, it's an automobile.
It’s bad enough people want $300k USD+ for a used 992 Turbo S. I really want a 991.2 or 992 turbo S Cabrio but with current prices I would much rather get a Lexus LC500 convertible for GT/top down purposes and a used Taycan Turbo S both for the same price as a 991.2-992 turbo s price….
i would say maybe because it's not that big of a different for an 911
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
Any 996 increase is due to the fact that values were in the toilet for 15 years. 996 is shit but given the supply issues they r demanding more money. They are still shit.7
928 S4 ????
My 2020 992 S - I’ve driven it for 5000 miles and had it 18 months. I’m being offered the same money as the day I got it. Excellent investment. But shit car bad build quality. Door handles Bose speakers leaking brake lights. All shit
I got my 2021 992 base carerra 2 weeks ago. The Bose speakers rattle like crazy already. I also notice condensation inside the lights. Wtf
@@reginaldjackson6204 get them all fixed under warranty it’s what I did
@@reginaldjackson6204 I’m looking to flip mine for a new shape Macan GTS but it won’t come to mid 2022
Only buy Japanese. Their factories are the best in the world and the cars have highest quality and reliability. lc500 for example is better built than a rolls Royce
:( i have this 1
wtf
So which 992 model did you own? If you never owned a 992 you can't say that it was the worst 911 to own, learn better English!
As the video explains, it was the worst to own from a financial perspective. This is a channel about car values, not about driving experiences.
Gouden middag
Really folks. We need to start learning to unsubscribe from disingenuous title and clickbait. Unsubscribe and downvote. You can convey the same message effectively and get the same audience without clickbait.
Why do you think this is a clickbait title?It's a channel about car values and the title states that the 992 was the worst to own when compared to other 911s. This is line with the video content and the data on which the content is based.
@@fourwheeltrader I’ll ask a simple question before i dive into details. Are you objectively saying that the 992 is the worst 992 to own based on the appreciation rate compared to older 911 platforms? Meaning you’ll recommend owning an older platform not the 992.
@P1ca550 No that's not what the video says or what it recommends. The video says quite clearly that compared to other 911 generations, the appreciation rate was the worst for the 992. Therefore, "based on the price increase alone, the 992 was the worst 911 to own" ( 9:38 ) . The video doesn't provide recommendations as to what you should do with this information, that's up to you.
In my perspective, the title could only be interpreted as clickbait by people who are expecting a video which justifies the value label 'the worst' by anything else than the price development. It's unlikely that these people are subscribed as my channel only discusses car values.
I'm against the use of clickbait titles and i also don't gain anything from it. As far as I'm aware, youtube only counts a video view once a viewer watched at least 30 seconds of the video. In the first 30 seconds i clearly state that this is a video about price developments. Therefore, the viewer knows quickly what he or she can expect to see and based on this decide to watch it or not.
Meh..
Porsche = Glorified Volkswagens
Dumb comment - jealousy will get you no where in life.
@@bentleygucci ... So what do you think about this...
Bentley= GLORIFIED VW
@@dinopappous6639 my dogs names, that’s it
Your market is way different than the us 👎