In my opinion if gohan had been training the entire time between sagas, then he would of been way stronger than goku or vegita with the potential power he could have had. Also I wonder if he would of ended up with videl in that case or if by continuing to train vegita would have just ended his training because gohan was the best of them
I believe Gohan, after being hit by the death beam, said he had half of his KI left because of the damage he took, and yet he *still* annihilated Cell.
Vegito // mixture of both I believe, gohan’s power was so unimaginable that it took vegeta 7 years of probably the hardest training he ever did in his life after losing all of his pride just to at best slightly surpass cell saga gohan
@@lilrock447 I do not think he ever surpassed him. That is why he let Babidi take control of him among other things. He probably could have beaten Perfect Cell or Dabura but not SS2 Gohan, or Goku after training in the outer world. After Babidi took over he at-least managed to match his power or be slightly stronger. This is speculation I havent seen DBZ in a few years.
@@phillipmartinez2436 Yeah Majin Vegeta is supposed to be the strongest SS2, at least at that point in time. Cheating of course, by himself he cant do crap.Goku works harder and Gohan is more talented.
Cell Saga Gohan is the most Goated DB Character ever. Dont argue with me. The build up from kid Gohan all the way to when he broke through to SS2 was just Legendary Character development.
Lmao no it made his character stand out gave you a reason to believe the series was going in a different direction to make Gohan the new g.o.a.t... Majin Vegeta vs Goku is THE ssj2 fight no cap.
Dark Avenger because it makes total sense that a Super Saiyan evolution should be exclusive to gohan only someone who isn’t even a pure blooded saiyan...
This is why the father-son kamehameha is one of my favourite moments. It wasn't Goku literally fighting together with Gohan, it was symbolic. The father-son kamehameha was all about Gohan overcoming the mental block of defeat. It also gave the saying, 'I'm with you in spirit' a whole new meaning.
@@dardosalinas4426 Honestly both are great moments for Gohan, but personally b’s moment is definitely better in my opinion, but still, humiliating Cell was great too
The real question is what if Vegeta sensibly went after earth’s dragon balls and wished for immortality instead of foolishly assuming he’d be able to do it with namek’s dragon balls?
feedmemore h Ain’t denying that, I only meant that his transformation, from how I understood it, was Gohan letting go of his restraints (as 16 told him). I know he wasn’t going all out against Cell (even in the end of the fight I could accept), but it doesn’t make sense to me why he wouldn’t, aside from his personality getting twisted from turning ssj2.
I've always thought Vegeta attacking Cell was meant to snap Gohan out of his self-defeated mindset. Having someone like Vegeta who literally can't do anything to Cell still attack him..is Kind of like saying "Hey Gohan! I'm not giving up.. we're not defeated. Snap the hell out of it and give it your all!" To me it was always supposed to be that final little push he needed to snap back out of it(on top of Goku constantly screaming) that was always my interpretation of it anyway.
This is precisely the correct interpretation. It was entirely part of Vegeta's character arc, it had nothing to do with interpreting the respective power levels between gohan and cell.
Sure, that's what it is thematically. But Cell was clearly thrown off balance by Vegeta's blast, he was drawn specifically like that, it means something to depict him like that, it was the key moment for Gohan to overwhelm him. Vegeta *did* do something.
What always pissed me off is that vegeta didn't turn SS2 after cell killed trunks . wouldnt vegeta have exploded into an ultimate rage after seeing his son get killed ?? Goku did after Killen died , gohan exploded after watching his friends getting tortured . so why not vegeta ??? Why didn't they apply the same logics to vegeta ??Fuck ass toriyama always stays shitting on vegeta. He must even have a vegeta at the bottom in his toilet since he stays shitting on vegeta !!
Mugen7 Popo was powerful enough to block numerous punches from super saiyan trunks and goten at the same time. i don’t think people realize how significant that feat is lmfao
There is a reason why Vegeta says “It’s not fear holding me back” it was to let the audience know he wasn’t afraid but that he felt like it’s dishonorable to interfere in a fight
its funny because cell at full power was relatively not much stronger than goku at full power. but Frieza was actually like 100x stronger than goku at full power but he didn't give up.
Haywire5714 cell was way stronger than goku...you sound dumb...the cell jrs were whooping everyone’s ass...INCLUDING GOKU...cell was holding back against goku
Without Goku's pep talking and Vegeta's distraction Gohan would have had a tougher time, would have probably lost. Super perfect Cell was scary af, don't forget . But fuck yeah, the fucking bug got incinerated to atoms.
Couple of points prove Gohan was insanely strong as a SSJ2: 1. Cell survived his self destruct in normal perfect form but was destroyed by Gohan, in his super perfect form 2. Gohan had half his power destroyed by the damage he took protecting Vegeta and yet was standing upto Cell's full powered Kamehameha 3. Gohan kept increasing his power everytime Goku motivated him during the final battle 4. If Super perfect Cell was indeed more powerful, he should have been able to deflect Gohan's Kamehameha 5. It took Vegeta 7yrs of training and letting himself be controlled by Babidi to get as powerful as cell saga Gohan, assuming he actually did
I think based on statements by other characters like Goku and Piccolo, it is implied that Majin vegeta SSJ2 was beyond SSJ2 teen Gohan. majin vegeta stated that Goku's SSJ2 power was a ki greater than Gohans back then. Piccolo also goes on to remark that he hadnt felt a power as radical as vegetas since Gohans when Vegeta was fighting Buu.
@@elpopman2055 My point being that in the Buu saga, the main characters talked about SSJ2 Teens Gohan as if it was the best, they had ever sense and regarded it as a standard. Cell was never mentioned only when talking about Dabura and Goku still told Gohan that if he uses his full power like he did against cell, he could beat Dabura for sure.
Majin Vegeta stated that SS2 Goku was stronger than Gohan was when he fought Cell. This video proves how big of a deal that is. Then Goku had SS3 on top of that.
One hand, probably less than half his stamina left, Cell’s completely rejuvenated ki after Zenkai, and still Gohan being worried that he was gonna blow up the planet. Gohan was just subliminally flexing on everyone, himself included. I love this, thank you soooo much for this!
In dragonball when you're 2 times stronger than someone, you can one shot them, that's not that big of a deal, Vegeta vs Cui, Vegeta vs Dodoria, heck he was less than 2x stronger than those guys and he one shotted them dirty, so again this one with Cell is no big deal.
Such a sick arc. The Android saga and Cell Games are still my favorite. I've always known how insane Gohan was and this is truly why Gohan has such a following. I enjoyed that he "retired" after this fight to focus on being a normie. He deserves it!
@@UnifiedEntity i dont think he did tbh i think even at that age he knew who he was ...gohan isnt a fighter bro he does not wake up wanting to train ...while yes i agree with u but u gotta understand he's half saiyan half human ....its not in him to WANT to train or fight just to fight
@@bachibean8838 I'm disappointed in Piccolo for not reminding him constantly that the Earth needs him to protect and to train on weekends. 7 years and Gohan just lets himself go, Piccolo does nothing, Vegeta doesn't bother checking in on his strongest vassal, nothing. No support group for the one that saved everyone's asses. Hell, Yamcha doesn't even invite Gohan to play baseball with him!
Vegeta's attack was not physically damaging enough on Cell to help Gohan win the fight, instead it was more mental. It helped Gohan overcome his own doubt, his own fear, and his own blame. There are 3 battles going on during the fight, one in the mind of Gohan, another in the mind of Vegeta, and the obvious one with the physical fight of Gohan/Cell. Gohan was losing the fight against himself, he still needed his dad, he still needed his friends and he was scared of letting everyone down. When Gohan saw Vegeta attack Cell, he knew that Vegeta had finally defeated his most powerful foe and biggest weakness, his pride. Vegeta had won, no matter the outcome of the fight against Cell. Everyone had given their all, except Gohan, and he realized this. Vegeta helped him realize this because he knew he was struggling through a similar mental battle. It was now up to Gohan to overcome his biggest weakness and he knew he had to do it now. As Gohan unleashes his true strength with his kamehameha, he walks forward because he is not scared anymore. The imagery of his dad is no longer shown behind him because he is doing this on his own and his fear of being alone has been conquered. Gohan finally won.
@@DC-zi6se that was anime only. In the manga cell didn;t budge one bit. only yelled "vegeta!" Gohan ssj2 was stronger. Vegeta only showed gohan to break through his mental struggle since Vegeta could.
The cell games was one of the most intense sequences with the most emotion Dragonball has ever put out. Meanwhile, Krillin back there worrying about harassing an android.
Gohan was inspired by Goku and tapped into everything he had left against Cell... which was a lot. (Also, Vegeta did catch Cell by surprise with an attack from his blindside, which gave Gohan a moment to overwhelm Cell with his one arm Kamehameha.)
@@eldritchinterface7481 I wouldn't say smack the power difference can be made up by experience & specifically knowing his sons weaknesses while both in SSJ. As soon as SS2 happens it's a stomp but Gohan would die if hit with a warp KM in SSJ
I always thought Cell screaming "Vegeta!" after Vegetas blast during the beam struggle wasn't Cell feeling the shot, but more shocked Vegeta would do that. He has Saiyan cells and the fact Vegeta did that is what shocked him.
yeah he was schoked vegeta would interfere in a battle. Gohan was schoked too that vegeta broke through a mental struggle to do that. So Gohan did the same and released all his mental doubt and worry and release all his full power which of course was ton stronger than Super perfect cell. Gohan ssj2 was holding back against regular perfect cell
One handed gohan was pretty much matched with super perfect cell. But gohan literally said “ my power had been cut in HALF!” So if one arm is equal to cell, then gohan was still TWICE as powerful as super perfect cell when healed...
Crazy how in the future he lost an arm and in the past. Imagine if cell was how he lost that arm would've gave us more content and something between Gohan and Vegeta.
@@marksdevil6716 😂 yeah they made both useless pretty much but if trunks went back in time to save Goku and prevent trunks from his lost arm at the hands of cell we could of had more Dynamics in the story.
Yeah in the future, gohan loses his arm and dies with trunks surviving & becoming powerful. And in the present, gohan loses his arm after becoming more powerful, but with trunks not surviving.
@@Nuttso88 lol that would be dope tbh everyone would get the Gohan they want and we get rid of new trunks 😂 definitely better. If Vegeta and Goku die and Gohan is old with one arm training his brother and defending the earth towards then end of dragon Ball thats not to bad 🤷🏽♂️.
Gohan has always been my favourite. Just for how his character interacts with his power. He's the timid, shy pacifist. But when he transforms into SS2, and again when he goes to Ultimate Form, he becomes more arrogant than Vegeta. He becomes a true Saiyan, ruthless and violent. But at his core, he's always trying to tie his arrogance and pacifism. Which I love about Super, he gets training about how to rein in his arrogance, and he will fight, when necessary. Gohan has the most room for growth, power-wise (for the exception of Broly) in the franchise. All the main fighters, Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, they all train constantly. Gohan doesn't. Think about the possibility of him training for more than 48hrs, on a continuous basis
If Gohan never saved Vegeta after he rushed cell, I would've been ok with that. I was looking forward to round 2 of SSJ2 Gohan vs "Super" Perfect Cell.
camron147 sarcasm or not it isn’t a wrong opinion. Vegeta caused a lot of problems throughout the majority of Z and truly is only a good person in Super. He was gradually shifting over time but he did a lot of horrible and unreasonable things
When the z fighters shot at cell he didn't budge even when they all did it at once. When Vegeta did he actually get staggered a bit and was surprised by Vegeta. That tells me it distracted him and allowed Gohan to push him back. I'm not saying Gohan got lucky. I'm just saying Vegeta still got cells attention. Vegeta was the only one to budge Cell.
Keyblade games the other fighters didn’t even attack cell in the manga. Only vegeta did, that’s just an extra addition the anime dub takes liberty with
I agree. So Gohan going straight to defend the blast was off-guard, but cell distracted by Vegeta's blast wasn't? His argument was contradictory. I agree that Gohan was stronger than Cell, but not by a large margin as some people state. If he was so much stronger than Cell he could easily deflect that blast with his hand or take it head-on and don't suffer any damage.
I'm 99% sure that cell actually flinched and bent his back when Vegeta hit him which would lead me to believe that without Vegeta Gohan would've lost however based on other points u brought up I still think that without Vegeta, Gohan still would've won
Totally, he still had Goku by his side to coach him through. Goku knew how to get into Gohan's head and he knew what motivated Gohan's power. It might've taken a bit longer without Vegeta, and maybe Gohan would've died from exhausting all of his ki, but he would've been brought back.
saitamablackgoku28 Right. A couple of hits was all it took for Cell to regurgitate 18. If Gohan was never handicapped, it was still going to be a stomp, it was going to take a just a little bit longer
It's funny how people say that vegeta helped gohan by distracting cell when he was the reason why gohan couldn't go all out against cell instantly, cough cough gohan protected vegeta and got injured cough cough
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10:58 to add to the concept of being defenseless, there was a filler episode (I believe) where Krillin tossed a rock at Goku's head while he was casually in SSJ and Goku took damage from it lol
There’s also an episode when Gohan is fighting bad guys in Satan City and gets distracted. Once Gohan is distracted, one of the bad guys punches Gohan in the face and we see Gohan flinch. Afterward, we see Gohan sustained no damage and the bad guy’s fist was hurt from Gohan’s buff face. So Gohan got distracted and it was enough for a normal person to knock him back (even if Gohan sustained 0 damage afterward)
Imagine Gohan with 2 arms, a Kamehameha of that magnitude would have obliterated cell. Kinda feel like Gohan could have deflected that blast like it was nothing while still saving Vegeta and would have still defeated Cell with ease.
There is a reason Vegeta needed to throw that attack there, and it has nothing to do with it killing cell or distracting him. Gohan needed to think that he was distracted to pass his mental block in that moment, or he woulda still been holding back.
Gohan was not unprepared for that blast that was meant for Vegeta. He literally jumped in front of it, it didn't catch him by surprise like the laser beam to Goku. It was much more similar and maybe even symbolic of Piccolo jumping in front of Gohan during the Saiyan saga.
Totally agree. Also, Gohan is still only 11. He, like all kids, can easily get discouraged and overwhelmed mentally/emotionally. He doesn't have the mental fortitude of an adult. His on doubt was holding him back, and the support from Goku helped him overcome
Vegeta even stated in the anime that Gohan generated a bigger Kamehameha wave then Cell did but wasn't even exhausted after blasting chunks off of Cell,and also Goku himself said that Gohan is way ahead of his fathers teachings.
Here's my two cents: If Vegeta didn't cause Gohan to get injured than Super Perfect Cell vs Gohan would have been more like SSJ Goku vs Full Power Frieza. Cell would sure as hell fight back and get some good hits in, but ultimately Gohan would still be too much for him and Cell would still lose. As much as I love Cell he's not as strong as Gohan no matter how you look at it.
Didnt goku die against frieza though when frieza knocked him into the lava right before the wish to bring everyone back was made, so he came back full power?
I decided to check this video out when you mentioned it in your recent Manga preview (maybe pre-review? idk) and I'm glad I did. Thank you for all the research you've done for this video Geekdom. You're the man! 💪🏽
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan vs Cell is the greatest fight and arc in the entire series. A literal life or death struggle where you could really feel the urgency. This was Toriyama at the height of his powers.
Great video. I’ve been watching DBZ since 92 way before subs and dubs. My friend Mike use to barter with his friend in japan. Mike would get VHS’s tapes and in return he would send American candies, foods and such. To this day, I still get chills watching and thinking about Gohan going SSJ2. The raw power and emotional feel to episode 184 was unreal.
After Gohan SSJ2 was hit with Dead beam from Super Cell while saving Vegeta, he did mentioned to Goku that his energy was cut in half while Super cell was fresh and renewed but still he was able to defeat cell completely. Which clearly states that Gohan was way more powerful than Super cell.
He can not. Movie 10 Broly was stomping SSJ2 Adult Gohan. And it took Buu Saga SSJ Goku, SSJ2 Adult Gohan, SSJ Goten and 1 Small Ki Ball from Kid Trunks to beat him. Even Movie 8 Broly would win. He destroyed a galaxy overtime while Cell can only destroy 1 Solar System at full power. And SSJ2 is only 2x stronger than SSJ. Broly smacked SSJ Goku, SSJ Teen Gohan, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo at the same time and it took Goku with all of their powers in his own body (which is definitely way more than 2x stronger than his former state) to beat Broly and he hit him at his weakness point.
I absolutely agree with you about it all except the Vegeta part. When Vegeta fires his energy blast at Cell you can clearly see Cell's legs collapse inwards which indicates a significant force, I'm not saying gohan would have lost without that, but Vegeta's blast seemed like a good kick in the back to Cell for comparison.
I agree gohan was was still more powerful then super perfect cell I don't think it was a huge difference. The broken arm made them even and between the vegeta distraction and goku's guidance gohan prevailed. I don't see how ppl think super perfect cell had absolutely no chance.
I guess we will never really know considering it wasn't a proper bout. I don't think their is enough evidence to prove gohan was infinitely more powerful the super perfect cell. Another thing why is Cell drawn with a lightning aura if toriyama didn't want to indicate that Cell was at the very least his peer?
@@uncouthLIyouth that's a good point with the lightning. Cell is technically large part saiyan, his aura is always yellow, never white like all the "other" beings apart from the saiyans. I'm not going to say that Cell went SSJ2 but I do feel that detail is there deliberately to indicate something similar.
@@someoneelse5209 I personally think, the purpose of Vegetas attack wasnt just to stagger Cell but to buy that few seconds for gohan to release what he had left in him. I just felt like Vegeta got very downplayed in the video.
@@someoneelse5209 Cell's strength wasn't just his raw power and unlimited tool box... but his cunning and ability to deceive. THAT is why he was was gohan's peer during the beam struggle and that's what gave him a chance. It's like the Dun Moch sith intimidation ability in star wars. Cell was mentally torturing gohan and playing on his emotions. I think as a writer where you obviously think like a power scaler. So you think it's more dramatic if Gohan was say 100× stronger the the final boss if toriyama said so? If cell can't kill gohan because cell is so inferior power level wise their is no intrigue.
Thank you for clearing up the controversy. I literally had a argument with 2 friends who claimed that goku gave gohan Ki yo defeat cell in the beam struggle in order to lowball gohan in comparison to cell. They’re going to feel and look so stupid once I present this video to them. Thanks Geekdom!
@Martin Ramirez Pretty much, Goku was actually a 'Guide' to help Gohan defeat Cell. Nothing about giving Ki, he was just there because of King Kai's telepathy, that's it
If I remember correctly, in the anime Goku even gave Cell a Senzu Bean *_before_* Gohan fought him which is one of those moments that you think that he has gone mad but if you think about it then it is more about him wanting there to be no doubt about just how powerful Gohan is compared to the others.
If this gohan had continued vigorous training and never stopped...gained ultimate confidence minus the arrogance Goku and Vegeta would never have caught up imo.
In the animation vegetas attack didn't hurt cell. But it did make him dizzy and disoriented, if you look at his legs he looks dizzy but recovers quickly. Also notice how all 4 z fighters attacked cell at once, it didn't make a difference but when vegeta attacked that made a difference. Also cell didn't expect that. It's not like vegeta to help others fight. And cell knew that because cell has apart of vegeta in him. So when vegeta helped gohan it actually really shocked cell because he knew that was out of vegetas character to care about others and help, he knows his pride matter more. And this also was character development for vegeta for letting go of his pride and helping gohan win the fight in anyway he could just like the other z fighters. But it's not like vegeta to do that because he wanted to be the one to defeat cell not be some side show. But he let that go to help.
In chapter 413, Cell literally says in exact quotation: “Another good thing happened to me as well! I regenerated into my perfect form without #18! I immediately felt much more powerful than normal! *I’m almost as strong as Gohan!* It has to be my Saiyan cells that helped me gain this power!” It could’ve been a translation error, but i believe the original untranslated Japanese version had something along those lines.
The way I see it, I dont think Cell was full confident he could outright beat Gohan because Gohan literally told Cell to come at him, Cell whom hesitated. Cell came back and was likely equal to the supressed SSJ2 Power than Gohan was showing. We saw what full unleashed Gohan did to cell, cell offered absoltely no resistance and was killed.
Cell saga gohan is without a doubt one of the most bad ass characters in dragonball
Id say namek goku, gohan is a close second
@@declan6602 "one of" being the key terms here.
@@user-fo1ow1jq3b I agreed didn't I
Infinite I think Goku Ultra instinct was so bad ass as well
In my opinion if gohan had been training the entire time between sagas, then he would of been way stronger than goku or vegita with the potential power he could have had. Also I wonder if he would of ended up with videl in that case or if by continuing to train vegita would have just ended his training because gohan was the best of them
It’s crazy how Gohan literally only hit Cell 7 times throughout their entire fight and killed him
Could have killed him in one.
Drink NukaClassic the beast ?
@@valorousvigilante2491 toriyama is too dumb for that
Drink NukaClassic 6 is the number of the beast, 7 is the number of the lord.
@@Slender_Man_186 no my guy its 3 for god
I believe Gohan, after being hit by the death beam, said he had half of his KI left because of the damage he took, and yet he *still* annihilated Cell.
justkidding199 But Goku says to him that what was draining his power was his doubt
Vegito // mixture of both I believe, gohan’s power was so unimaginable that it took vegeta 7 years of probably the hardest training he ever did in his life after losing all of his pride just to at best slightly surpass cell saga gohan
@@lilrock447 I do not think he ever surpassed him. That is why he let Babidi take control of him among other things. He probably could have beaten Perfect Cell or Dabura but not SS2 Gohan, or Goku after training in the outer world. After Babidi took over he at-least managed to match his power or be slightly stronger. This is speculation I havent seen DBZ in a few years.
@@lilrock447 And that with help from Babidi...
@@phillipmartinez2436 Yeah Majin Vegeta is supposed to be the strongest SS2, at least at that point in time. Cheating of course, by himself he cant do crap.Goku works harder and Gohan is more talented.
No one believed me when I hyped ssj2 gohan up before
Same
Lol prrrrrrrretty sure EVERYONE knew how bad ass ssj2 Gohan was...
The whole Trunks/Android/Cell era is the greatest Dragon Ball era of all time. Of ALL time. NO debating.
@@hunterjimenez8488 it's kind of annoying when people state their opinions as fact.
@@onyxt3589 Well, what he said was facts bro
Gohan's SSJ2 transformation still remains one of the best transformations in the entire series imo.
@Cold NBother Dragon Ball is my first love, but Naruto is what I married lol.
The Japanese version is soooooooo good.
I think it’s the best one of dragon ball as a whole aside from mastered ultra instinct lol Bc that shit is lit as fuck
prob the best ever
ssj4
"Gohan just laughed at him like the first time my ex saw me naked." Geekdom, you okay? You need to talk?
Lucent Lulu I was like that’s not a funny joke bro, let’s Speekdom the topic 😂
😂😁🤣
No, he started an anime channel after that
Geekdom coming out with a new video about his ex after 15,000 likes xD
He tapped into his inner SavinTheBees
“Gohan’s the strongest in the universe but still doesn’t do crap”
Was..
Tex this is a tfs reference
TFS?
@@slayer04031974 yes
@@slayer04031974 go ahead and watch dbz abridged you'll love it as a DBZ fan
Cell Saga Gohan is the most Goated DB Character ever. Dont argue with me. The build up from kid Gohan all the way to when he broke through to SS2 was just Legendary Character development.
Thank you i also agree!!!!
@@elvinhuta7854 arguably the best.
Tbh I fuck with mystic gohan more he was just arrogant AF
Sean Stiggers: What are you talking about, Gohan was still a kid when he turned SSJ/SSJ2 at the age of 9yrs old.
@@great159 yeah he was still a kid, as far as the show goes...you know what I mean. Everyone considered him Teen Gohan at that point.
Gohan unlocking SSJ2 and defeating Cell remains his highest point of the series.
Uzoma Iwuagwu one of the highest points period
What about mystic, if anything... that is highest point. Gohan's Revival.
@@WildWeavile I meant as in Gohan's biggest moment. Ultimate Gohan is stronger, yes, but he hasn't done anything mind-blowing since defeating Cell.
Yup, I think most will agree this was Gohan at his greatest.
Literally the biggest let down in anime history
Let's be honest. Gohan was the only one to make super saiyan 2 feel powerful and badass.
Edit: And your boi Majin Vegeta of course
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Lmao no it made his character stand out gave you a reason to believe the series was going in a different direction to make Gohan the new g.o.a.t... Majin Vegeta vs Goku is THE ssj2 fight no cap.
Dark Avenger because it makes total sense that a Super Saiyan evolution should be exclusive to gohan only someone who isn’t even a pure blooded saiyan...
I liked majin vegetas ssj 2 as well
I agree
This is why the father-son kamehameha is one of my favourite moments. It wasn't Goku literally fighting together with Gohan, it was symbolic. The father-son kamehameha was all about Gohan overcoming the mental block of defeat. It also gave the saying, 'I'm with you in spirit' a whole new meaning.
Nah for me, my favourite moment was when Gohan humilliate Cell kamehameha.
That kamehameha for me is one of the best.
@@dardosalinas4426 Honestly both are great moments for Gohan, but personally b’s moment is definitely better in my opinion, but still, humiliating Cell was great too
The real question is "what if vegeta trained Gohan after the cell saga?"
Then universe 11 wouldn't be the one to last for finals, my guy. Sorry to say that😂
Naw the real question is.. What if vegeta never let cell absorb 18?
Ghostt Williams The real question is what if Krillin deactivated 18?
The real question is what if Vegeta sensibly went after earth’s dragon balls and wished for immortality instead of foolishly assuming he’d be able to do it with namek’s dragon balls?
Nishe Siel well.... Piccolo was dead at the time
Some people don’t realize how much ssj2 Gohan was holding back
Wasn’t the whole point of ssj2 Gohan that he WASN’T holding back anymore?
@@jamesgrinsen1085 he did he could of killed cell any time
@@jamesgrinsen1085 you obviously know nothing of gohans character.
feedmemore h Ain’t denying that, I only meant that his transformation, from how I understood it, was Gohan letting go of his restraints (as 16 told him). I know he wasn’t going all out against Cell (even in the end of the fight I could accept), but it doesn’t make sense to me why he wouldn’t, aside from his personality getting twisted from turning ssj2.
@@jamesgrinsen1085 Ok bruh my bad
I've always thought Vegeta attacking Cell was meant to snap Gohan out of his self-defeated mindset. Having someone like Vegeta who literally can't do anything to Cell still attack him..is Kind of like saying "Hey Gohan! I'm not giving up.. we're not defeated. Snap the hell out of it and give it your all!" To me it was always supposed to be that final little push he needed to snap back out of it(on top of Goku constantly screaming)
that was always my interpretation of it anyway.
I don't think he even noticed it to be honest...you know with the whole beam struggle and having Goku yelling in the back of his head and all
Vegeta was way up in the skt though. But i get it i always loved when vegeta hit him with that energy ball
This is precisely the correct interpretation. It was entirely part of Vegeta's character arc, it had nothing to do with interpreting the respective power levels between gohan and cell.
Sure, that's what it is thematically. But Cell was clearly thrown off balance by Vegeta's blast, he was drawn specifically like that, it means something to depict him like that, it was the key moment for Gohan to overwhelm him. Vegeta *did* do something.
What always pissed me off is that vegeta didn't turn SS2 after cell killed trunks . wouldnt vegeta have exploded into an ultimate rage after seeing his son get killed ?? Goku did after Killen died , gohan exploded after watching his friends getting tortured . so why not vegeta ??? Why didn't they apply the same logics to vegeta ??Fuck ass toriyama always stays shitting on vegeta. He must even have a vegeta at the bottom in his toilet since he stays shitting on vegeta !!
8:46 Translation: the narrator said, “It was at this moment, that Cell knew, he had f**ked up” 😂🤣
3:17 Cell: “Look at me I’m trunks. Please love me dad!”
*back to normal*
Cell: See? Anybody can do it.
That's a terrible impression
But not inaccurate!
Dbza
@@kingpigeon1012 "WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE!!!"
Even if Cell won against Gohan, Mr Popo would have annihilated him.
Popo's in a whole 'nother league.
Facts
Mugen7 Popo was powerful enough to block numerous punches from super saiyan trunks and goten at the same time. i don’t think people realize how significant that feat is lmfao
as far as i know thats just some dbz abridged shit
Facts.
There is a reason why Vegeta says “It’s not fear holding me back” it was to let the audience know he wasn’t afraid but that he felt like it’s dishonorable to interfere in a fight
Vegito // yeah it’s his saiyan pride all the saiyans in the show/most of them do this even goku does it
hey vegito will ya look at me I'M SETTING RECORDS
Goku vs Frieza: "I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me, I will defeat you!"
Goku vs Cell: "I give up"
its funny because cell at full power was relatively not much stronger than goku at full power. but Frieza was actually like 100x stronger than goku at full power but he didn't give up.
Haywire5714 freeza was actually 20 times stronger than him in base
It's because Goku knows there's someone who can take his place on the fight, unlike the time with frieza where he's the last hope
Haywire5714 cell was way stronger than goku...you sound dumb...the cell jrs were whooping everyone’s ass...INCLUDING GOKU...cell was holding back against goku
@@donagodi456 thats half power frieza
He incinerated every last amoeba of Super Perfect Cell. No way he could’ve done that without being in a different class than that insect.
Without Goku's pep talking and Vegeta's distraction Gohan would have had a tougher time, would have probably lost. Super perfect Cell was scary af, don't forget .
But fuck yeah, the fucking bug got incinerated to atoms.
Gohan just laughs at him..
*like the first time my ex saw me naked*
I felt that bro 😔
Danm
Syfyky 😂😂
Syfyky 😂😂😂 bro me
LMFAO 😂
Stoooopid
“NOWS YOUR CHANCE!!!” gives me the dam chills all the time
The whole Trunks/Android/Cell era is the greatest Dragon Ball era of all time. Of ALL time. NO debating.
Hunter Jimenez I agree 100% but lets not act like Age 762 wasn’t fire as well(the entire saiyan and namek saga)
Nope. One punch man is better
Kami Tenchi delusions of grandeur
@@hunterjimenez8488 Hey I thought the buu saga was the best...
Couple of points prove Gohan was insanely strong as a SSJ2:
1. Cell survived his self destruct in normal perfect form but was destroyed by Gohan, in his super perfect form
2. Gohan had half his power destroyed by the damage he took protecting Vegeta and yet was standing upto Cell's full powered Kamehameha
3. Gohan kept increasing his power everytime Goku motivated him during the final battle
4. If Super perfect Cell was indeed more powerful, he should have been able to deflect Gohan's Kamehameha
5. It took Vegeta 7yrs of training and letting himself be controlled by Babidi to get as powerful as cell saga Gohan, assuming he actually did
He already matched and surpassed Cell Saga Gohan already, he even almost mocks Buu Saga Gohan's power during the tournament.
I think based on statements by other characters like Goku and Piccolo, it is implied that Majin vegeta SSJ2 was beyond SSJ2 teen Gohan.
majin vegeta stated that Goku's SSJ2 power was a ki greater than Gohans back then.
Piccolo also goes on to remark that he hadnt felt a power as radical as vegetas since Gohans when Vegeta was fighting Buu.
@@ZeroDividedByZero Not Really. Gohan was little bit weaker and he was so powerful as a Super Saiyan 2 due to his rage
@@WaveForceful in Japanese translation Piccolo was not sure if Vegeta surpassed Gohan or not.
@@elpopman2055 My point being that in the Buu saga, the main characters talked about SSJ2 Teens Gohan as if it was the best, they had ever sense and regarded it as a standard. Cell was never mentioned only when talking about Dabura and Goku still told Gohan that if he uses his full power like he did against cell, he could beat Dabura for sure.
Majin Vegeta stated that SS2 Goku was stronger than Gohan was when he fought Cell. This video proves how big of a deal that is. Then Goku had SS3 on top of that.
FactFiend 1000 yea cause goku kept training... 3 was on mr popo level and ultimate gohan was stronger than 3
@Story Telling think how op he was during the cell games
And goku still wasn’t stronger than ultimate gohan
@@camronbailey397 and even after Majin buu saga he still was able to train for a bit to fight in the TOP. His potential is like incredible.
@@spookyreaper1702 mr. popo level?? he is not nearly that high, but is way way higher than that in dbz abridged lmao
One hand, probably less than half his stamina left, Cell’s completely rejuvenated ki after Zenkai, and still Gohan being worried that he was gonna blow up the planet. Gohan was just subliminally flexing on everyone, himself included. I love this, thank you soooo much for this!
“That BEAM was meant to take Vegeta’s life from him.” Well damn when you put it like that...😂💀
In dragonball when you're 2 times stronger than someone, you can one shot them, that's not that big of a deal, Vegeta vs Cui, Vegeta vs Dodoria, heck he was less than 2x stronger than those guys and he one shotted them dirty, so again this one with Cell is no big deal.
One handed Gohan is stronger than super perfect cell
“Strongest character on Earth at the time”
So Hercule doesn’t exist? This invalidates everything you’ve said today
This is a joke btw
@@Lr_Rahim You just ruined your overused joke.
Max Stone ok, don’t remember asking though
@@Lr_Rahim So I and everyone else can't tell you anything because you didn't ask?
Max Stone didn’t say that. Just letting you know that I don’t care
Gohan's awakening to SS2 is my favorite moment of DBZ. And yes a tad more than Goku's original SS awakening. Gohan was so badass on the Cell games.
I think gokus was better but what came after was better for gohan
Such a sick arc. The Android saga and Cell Games are still my favorite. I've always known how insane Gohan was and this is truly why Gohan has such a following. I enjoyed that he "retired" after this fight to focus on being a normie. He deserves it!
Foolish of him to not think there could be more threats out there though.
@@UnifiedEntity i dont think he did tbh i think even at that age he knew who he was ...gohan isnt a fighter bro he does not wake up wanting to train ...while yes i agree with u but u gotta understand he's half saiyan half human ....its not in him to WANT to train or fight just to fight
But he was so Damn incredibly strong
@@bachibean8838 I'm disappointed in Piccolo for not reminding him constantly that the Earth needs him to protect and to train on weekends. 7 years and Gohan just lets himself go, Piccolo does nothing, Vegeta doesn't bother checking in on his strongest vassal, nothing. No support group for the one that saved everyone's asses. Hell, Yamcha doesn't even invite Gohan to play baseball with him!
No his ‘retirement’ was the worse part of it all, he became a pussy right after.
Vegeta's attack was not physically damaging enough on Cell to help Gohan win the fight, instead it was more mental. It helped Gohan overcome his own doubt, his own fear, and his own blame. There are 3 battles going on during the fight, one in the mind of Gohan, another in the mind of Vegeta, and the obvious one with the physical fight of Gohan/Cell. Gohan was losing the fight against himself, he still needed his dad, he still needed his friends and he was scared of letting everyone down. When Gohan saw Vegeta attack Cell, he knew that Vegeta had finally defeated his most powerful foe and biggest weakness, his pride. Vegeta had won, no matter the outcome of the fight against Cell. Everyone had given their all, except Gohan, and he realized this. Vegeta helped him realize this because he knew he was struggling through a similar mental battle. It was now up to Gohan to overcome his biggest weakness and he knew he had to do it now. As Gohan unleashes his true strength with his kamehameha, he walks forward because he is not scared anymore. The imagery of his dad is no longer shown behind him because he is doing this on his own and his fear of being alone has been conquered. Gohan finally won.
It was physically damaging as well, it made Cell lose his ballance.
@@DC-zi6seIt didn't weaken cell one bit.
@MANDINGOBBC this is the correct take
@@DC-zi6se that was anime only. In the manga cell didn;t budge one bit. only yelled "vegeta!" Gohan ssj2 was stronger. Vegeta only showed gohan to break through his mental struggle since Vegeta could.
The cell games was one of the most intense sequences with the most emotion Dragonball has ever put out. Meanwhile, Krillin back there worrying about harassing an android.
Its hilarious when you think about the fact Cell still lost against a one handed Kamehameha
Gohan was inspired by Goku and tapped into everything he had left against Cell... which was a lot.
(Also, Vegeta did catch Cell by surprise with an attack from his blindside, which gave Gohan a moment to overwhelm Cell with his one arm Kamehameha.)
@@levimiller5007 Did you watch the video?
@@levimiller5007 did you even watch the video my guy?
@@michaelcarney4220 LMAO probably not
@@michaelcarney4220
No, cuz the video is full of speculative bullshit.
Who even says goku was stronger than Gohan goku even said that Gohan was stronger
A bunch of kids that have only seen super?
@@user-fo1ow1jq3b how are they even meant to know about this fight😂
@Poemy Boy And SSJ Gohan at full power would still smack Goku lol these kids are goofs
@@eldritchinterface7481 I wouldn't say smack the power difference can be made up by experience & specifically knowing his sons weaknesses while both in SSJ. As soon as SS2 happens it's a stomp but Gohan would die if hit with a warp KM in SSJ
*Not stronger. Most potential.*
I always thought Cell screaming "Vegeta!" after Vegetas blast during the beam struggle wasn't Cell feeling the shot, but more shocked Vegeta would do that. He has Saiyan cells and the fact Vegeta did that is what shocked him.
yeah he was schoked vegeta would interfere in a battle. Gohan was schoked too that vegeta broke through a mental struggle to do that. So Gohan did the same and released all his mental doubt and worry and release all his full power which of course was ton stronger than Super perfect cell. Gohan ssj2 was holding back against regular perfect cell
One handed gohan was pretty much matched with super perfect cell. But gohan literally said “ my power had been cut in HALF!” So if one arm is equal to cell, then gohan was still TWICE as powerful as super perfect cell when healed...
Crazy how in the future he lost an arm and in the past. Imagine if cell was how he lost that arm would've gave us more content and something between Gohan and Vegeta.
@Eatthebabyzdoodoo Hugthebabiesbutt 😂
Just like how trunk come back in time to save goku, just for him to die anyways by cell
@@marksdevil6716 😂 yeah they made both useless pretty much but if trunks went back in time to save Goku and prevent trunks from his lost arm at the hands of cell we could of had more Dynamics in the story.
Yeah in the future, gohan loses his arm and dies with trunks surviving & becoming powerful. And in the present, gohan loses his arm after becoming more powerful, but with trunks not surviving.
@@Nuttso88 lol that would be dope tbh everyone would get the Gohan they want and we get rid of new trunks 😂 definitely better. If Vegeta and Goku die and Gohan is old with one arm training his brother and defending the earth towards then end of dragon Ball thats not to bad 🤷🏽♂️.
I can't believe Rhymestyle laughed at you like that.
Lmaoooo
Best comment ever
Gohan has always been my favourite. Just for how his character interacts with his power. He's the timid, shy pacifist. But when he transforms into SS2, and again when he goes to Ultimate Form, he becomes more arrogant than Vegeta. He becomes a true Saiyan, ruthless and violent. But at his core, he's always trying to tie his arrogance and pacifism. Which I love about Super, he gets training about how to rein in his arrogance, and he will fight, when necessary. Gohan has the most room for growth, power-wise (for the exception of Broly) in the franchise. All the main fighters, Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, they all train constantly. Gohan doesn't. Think about the possibility of him training for more than 48hrs, on a continuous basis
Gohans power as a SSJ2 after this point was used as the benchmark (a high one at that) for every SSJ2 in the series after this
The simple fact that Gohan walked forward at the end shows how confident he was in his power at the end💯💯💯
If Gohan never saved Vegeta after he rushed cell, I would've been ok with that. I was looking forward to round 2 of SSJ2 Gohan vs "Super" Perfect Cell.
KAMProductions Yea Vegeta sucks, he’s not important at all and literally does nothing. Not sure why Toriyama even kept him past the Saiyan saga
@@camron147 vegeta has became an fan favorite, and a awesome character development
Dahveed Adams Sarcasm sir.
camron147 sarcasm or not it isn’t a wrong opinion. Vegeta caused a lot of problems throughout the majority of Z and truly is only a good person in Super. He was gradually shifting over time but he did a lot of horrible and unreasonable things
Jim Jim Eh, he did terrible things but he didn’t suck. Was a Badass the whole way through Z
When the z fighters shot at cell he didn't budge even when they all did it at once. When Vegeta did he actually get staggered a bit and was surprised by Vegeta. That tells me it distracted him and allowed Gohan to push him back. I'm not saying Gohan got lucky. I'm just saying Vegeta still got cells attention. Vegeta was the only one to budge Cell.
Keyblade games the other fighters didn’t even attack cell in the manga. Only vegeta did, that’s just an extra addition the anime dub takes liberty with
Vegeta attack did no damage
@@marksdevil6716 that's not the point the point is it distracted cell
In the manga vegeta was so freaking weak all he did was annoy cell with his attack, kinda like a fly landing on your arm.
I agree. So Gohan going straight to defend the blast was off-guard, but cell distracted by Vegeta's blast wasn't? His argument was contradictory.
I agree that Gohan was stronger than Cell, but not by a large margin as some people state.
If he was so much stronger than Cell he could easily deflect that blast with his hand or take it head-on and don't suffer any damage.
I'm 99% sure that cell actually flinched and bent his back when Vegeta hit him which would lead me to believe that without Vegeta Gohan would've lost however based on other points u brought up I still think that without Vegeta, Gohan still would've won
And wasn't vegeta the reason why gohan could have lost the fight?
I agree
That's anime-only and it's a false critique
@@youtuber-tg1pu nah it's my opinion and apparently 31 others might agree, unfortunately sir ur sad life doesn't control what is and isn't true.
Totally, he still had Goku by his side to coach him through. Goku knew how to get into Gohan's head and he knew what motivated Gohan's power. It might've taken a bit longer without Vegeta, and maybe Gohan would've died from exhausting all of his ki, but he would've been brought back.
People really be thinking gohan was gonna lose to cell in they rematch I knew gohan was stronger than super perfect cell
saitamablackgoku28 Right. A couple of hits was all it took for Cell to regurgitate 18. If Gohan was never handicapped, it was still going to be a stomp, it was going to take a just a little bit longer
It's funny how people say that vegeta helped gohan by distracting cell when he was the reason why gohan couldn't go all out against cell instantly, cough cough gohan protected vegeta and got injured cough cough
“Making the cell juniors look like 1980’s WWF jobbers” 😭💀
finally someone knows how strong gohan was
I miss Stephanie Nadonly best VA ever in the db community
Yes I miss her so much she's comfortably the best young Gohan
Best gohan voice ever
Adult gohan's voice is also badass
Gohan always had incredible power by his anger,ssj2 Gohan was very powerful in his teen age.good video geekdom.
Actually he was 9 when he fought cell
@@Black_ReaperKai I thought he was 12
@@DThompson46 he was 11
The fact that there's 3 different ages shows the inconsistencies.
@@anthonyt425 just Google it and they said he was 10. At this point I don't know anymore 😭
"Let it rip!" - Goku watched too much Beyblade, smh...
Bol! That made me laugh
I wanted the manga to continue with the idea of getting Gohan more involved, half human saiyan shows greater power potential than pure saiyan.
i was a teenager when i saw gohan own cell. my take away was that even for a man emotion makes you stronger not weaker.
Geekdom came along way I’ve been watching you since 7th grade now I’m graduated and I’m still watching you and get excited for whatever dbz knowledge u get too throw on us, you’ve came along way can’t wait too see how big you continue to get
wow thanks so much bro
"Didn't even sweat it" *(Visible beads of sweat drawn on him)*
While I did laugh at that, it's possible that was just him being in shock that Cell did come back... and just murdered Trunks like immediately lol.
@@DarkPaladinX77 yeah if you think about it at all that makes the most sense
Possibly sweat beads from previous fight, still funny hehe
He also says Cell didn't feel the attack from Vegeta. In the anime clip he was showing, cell's body literally folds from the attack.
The way it’s shown in the anime, Vegeta does distract cell for a second or two and gohan capitalizes on that by using his full power lol
The Cell Saga Gohan will always hold a special place in my heart
10:58 to add to the concept of being defenseless, there was a filler episode (I believe) where Krillin tossed a rock at Goku's head while he was casually in SSJ and Goku took damage from it lol
There’s also an episode when Gohan is fighting bad guys in Satan City and gets distracted. Once Gohan is distracted, one of the bad guys punches Gohan in the face and we see Gohan flinch. Afterward, we see Gohan sustained no damage and the bad guy’s fist was hurt from Gohan’s buff face. So Gohan got distracted and it was enough for a normal person to knock him back (even if Gohan sustained 0 damage afterward)
Makes sense and is consistent with the narrative of Gohan's character throughout Dragonball.
Imagine Gohan with 2 arms, a Kamehameha of that magnitude would have obliterated cell. Kinda feel like Gohan could have deflected that blast like it was nothing while still saving Vegeta and would have still defeated Cell with ease.
There is a reason Vegeta needed to throw that attack there, and it has nothing to do with it killing cell or distracting him. Gohan needed to think that he was distracted to pass his mental block in that moment, or he woulda still been holding back.
ultimate gohan needs to fuse with vegeta.
This whole argument is just like Manray arguing with Patrick about his wallet
But its not my wallet.
Gohans power comes from OX kings connection with the devil, related to Chi Chi fused with Saiyen blood
Gohan was not unprepared for that blast that was meant for Vegeta. He literally jumped in front of it, it didn't catch him by surprise like the laser beam to Goku. It was much more similar and maybe even symbolic of Piccolo jumping in front of Gohan during the Saiyan saga.
This is probably the strongest gohan has ever been comparative to the other characters.
Gohans performance was one of if not the most impressive feat and act of strength in regards to transformation powerups
Totally agree.
Also, Gohan is still only 11. He, like all kids, can easily get discouraged and overwhelmed mentally/emotionally.
He doesn't have the mental fortitude of an adult. His on doubt was holding him back, and the support from Goku helped him overcome
This is still my favorite video on your channel. Such a good one! Love going back and rewatching every once in a while.
Vegeta even stated in the anime that Gohan generated a bigger Kamehameha wave then Cell did but wasn't even exhausted after blasting chunks off of Cell,and also Goku himself said that Gohan is way ahead of his fathers teachings.
You know I'm a gohan fan so you just keep making these gohan videos, huh
its just a coincidence but a good one!
Here's my two cents:
If Vegeta didn't cause Gohan to get injured than Super Perfect Cell vs Gohan would have been more like SSJ Goku vs Full Power Frieza. Cell would sure as hell fight back and get some good hits in, but ultimately Gohan would still be too much for him and Cell would still lose.
As much as I love Cell he's not as strong as Gohan no matter how you look at it.
This is good head cannon
Didnt goku die against frieza though when frieza knocked him into the lava right before the wish to bring everyone back was made, so he came back full power?
@@Death565656 No, they already used Shenron to bring Goku back to life
@@Death565656 wut?!?!
Mason K
Agreed
I decided to check this video out when you mentioned it in your recent Manga preview (maybe pre-review? idk) and I'm glad I did. Thank you for all the research you've done for this video Geekdom. You're the man! 💪🏽
Super Saiyan 2 Gohan vs Cell is the greatest fight and arc in the entire series. A literal life or death struggle where you could really feel the urgency. This was Toriyama at the height of his powers.
I respect this. Thanks for your video, Geekdom. I am open to seeing this differently now. Plus, SSJ2 Gohan is my 2nd favourite Character ever. 👊
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he's a good one
I just love the expressions on Gohan's face when he's super Saiyan 2.
Vegeta getting involve at the end Gave gohan the chance to show his true power those couple of seconds really mattered.
When there is a Blast duel , whoever stronger wins no accident there.
YOOOO THIS IS IT.
THE one I've waited for years.
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Why. It's 2x stronger than ssj 1. Pretty simple. Oh plus a rage boost which is plot armour really. Who's not mad when fighting an enemy
whoa dude
n oof
I knew Geekdom101 was the real deal when I learned SS2 Gohan was his favorite transformation.
Great video. I’ve been watching DBZ since 92 way before subs and dubs. My friend Mike use to barter with his friend in japan. Mike would get VHS’s tapes and in return he would send American candies, foods and such. To this day, I still get chills watching and thinking about Gohan going SSJ2. The raw power and emotional feel to episode 184 was unreal.
If it wasn't for goku talking to gohan in the afterlife gohan would have lost
I feel like when Vegeta blasted Cell, Cell was probably so appalled because nobody ever jumps the antagonist lol
I love listening to your theories and facts on the DB franchise. Been a fan for a year. Looking forward to future content.
After Gohan SSJ2 was hit with Dead beam from Super Cell while saving Vegeta, he did mentioned to Goku that his energy was cut in half while Super cell was fresh and renewed but still he was able to defeat cell completely. Which clearly states that Gohan was way more powerful than Super cell.
I'm sure, Teen Gohan Ssj2 can beat the Old Broly.
He can not.
Movie 10 Broly was stomping SSJ2 Adult Gohan. And it took Buu Saga SSJ Goku, SSJ2 Adult Gohan, SSJ Goten and 1 Small Ki Ball from Kid Trunks to beat him.
Even Movie 8 Broly would win. He destroyed a galaxy overtime while Cell can only destroy 1 Solar System at full power.
And SSJ2 is only 2x stronger than SSJ.
Broly smacked SSJ Goku, SSJ Teen Gohan, SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Future Trunks and Piccolo at the same time and it took Goku with all of their powers in his own body (which is definitely way more than 2x stronger than his former state) to beat Broly and he hit him at his weakness point.
I absolutely agree with you about it all except the Vegeta part. When Vegeta fires his energy blast at Cell you can clearly see Cell's legs collapse inwards which indicates a significant force, I'm not saying gohan would have lost without that, but Vegeta's blast seemed like a good kick in the back to Cell for comparison.
I agree gohan was was still more powerful then super perfect cell I don't think it was a huge difference. The broken arm made them even and between the vegeta distraction and goku's guidance gohan prevailed. I don't see how ppl think super perfect cell had absolutely no chance.
I guess we will never really know considering it wasn't a proper bout. I don't think their is enough evidence to prove gohan was infinitely more powerful the super perfect cell. Another thing why is Cell drawn with a lightning aura if toriyama didn't want to indicate that Cell was at the very least his peer?
@@uncouthLIyouth that's a good point with the lightning. Cell is technically large part saiyan, his aura is always yellow, never white like all the "other" beings apart from the saiyans. I'm not going to say that Cell went SSJ2 but I do feel that detail is there deliberately to indicate something similar.
@@someoneelse5209 I personally think, the purpose of Vegetas attack wasnt just to stagger Cell but to buy that few seconds for gohan to release what he had left in him. I just felt like Vegeta got very downplayed in the video.
@@someoneelse5209 Cell's strength wasn't just his raw power and unlimited tool box... but his cunning and ability to deceive. THAT is why he was was gohan's peer during the beam struggle and that's what gave him a chance. It's like the Dun Moch sith intimidation ability in star wars. Cell was mentally torturing gohan and playing on his emotions. I think as a writer where you obviously think like a power scaler. So you think it's more dramatic if Gohan was say 100× stronger the the final boss if toriyama said so? If cell can't kill gohan because cell is so inferior power level wise their is no intrigue.
Thank you for clearing up the controversy. I literally had a argument with 2 friends who claimed that goku gave gohan Ki yo defeat cell in the beam struggle in order to lowball gohan in comparison to cell. They’re going to feel and look so stupid once I present this video to them. Thanks Geekdom!
Lol, but that's illogical. Goku was dead, he couldn't transfer Ki to him.
@Martin Ramirez Pretty much, Goku was actually a 'Guide' to help Gohan defeat Cell. Nothing about giving Ki, he was just there because of King Kai's telepathy, that's it
Vegeta's life is equal to SSJ2 Gohan's arm
Absolutely love these videos man.
Gohan reminds me of broly, a child sayain with a huge amount of potential and power.
Young LeoNidas and overwhelming anger locked within him.
Can't believe there are actually people who think Super Perfect Cell was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, LoL.
You think that's bad, I've seen posts in Facebook groups that I'm part of where people are saying Super Perfect Cell can beat Majin Vegeta...
I found a person that said ribrianne is stronger than Dbs Gohan....
@@NarutoExplained With Kaioken he damn well could beat Majin Vegeta or even Buu.
If I remember correctly, in the anime Goku even gave Cell a Senzu Bean *_before_* Gohan fought him which is one of those moments that you think that he has gone mad but if you think about it then it is more about him wanting there to be no doubt about just how powerful Gohan is compared to the others.
Geekdom i love how you have broken down this fight, it was like someone put my thoughts on a video
If this gohan had continued vigorous training and never stopped...gained ultimate confidence minus the arrogance Goku and Vegeta would never have caught up imo.
super sayain 2 gohan stronger than cell perfect form and super perfect. Great Damn Video geekdom101
It was ok I wouldn't say great
Chad Brooks It was great.
Not really but ok
In the animation vegetas attack didn't hurt cell. But it did make him dizzy and disoriented, if you look at his legs he looks dizzy but recovers quickly. Also notice how all 4 z fighters attacked cell at once, it didn't make a difference but when vegeta attacked that made a difference. Also cell didn't expect that. It's not like vegeta to help others fight. And cell knew that because cell has apart of vegeta in him. So when vegeta helped gohan it actually really shocked cell because he knew that was out of vegetas character to care about others and help, he knows his pride matter more. And this also was character development for vegeta for letting go of his pride and helping gohan win the fight in anyway he could just like the other z fighters. But it's not like vegeta to do that because he wanted to be the one to defeat cell not be some side show. But he let that go to help.
The DEFINITIVE explanation of SSJ2 Gohan vs. Cell. Extremely well researched and explained!! Great vid!!
It’s finally here
You've been saying you been working on this for awhile now its finally time to see the finished product
In chapter 413, Cell literally says in exact quotation: “Another good thing happened to me as well! I regenerated into my perfect form without #18! I immediately felt much more powerful than normal! *I’m almost as strong as Gohan!* It has to be my Saiyan cells that helped me gain this power!” It could’ve been a translation error, but i believe the original untranslated Japanese version had something along those lines.
The way I see it, I dont think Cell was full confident he could outright beat Gohan because Gohan literally told Cell to come at him, Cell whom hesitated.
Cell came back and was likely equal to the supressed SSJ2 Power than Gohan was showing. We saw what full unleashed Gohan did to cell, cell offered absoltely no resistance and was killed.
I like to think Gohan is so strong when he transformed was that he not only had the multiplier, but he mastered his rage to add to his strength.