+Some Guy Down the Street ALL of GT was a brilliant idea. Travelling through space, Consequences for using the Dragonballs, Bring back fallen warriors of the past. The creators just didn't know how to pull it off like DB or DBZ did.
Apple Bee GT is still even now chock full of potential I think because it was so bad it left the door open for so many fan theories or returns for the ideas they had
@@NoomEnihsDrop So true. When Goku, Trunk and Pan go off into space for a year. That could have easily been a MASSIVE saga. The same way Luffy travels to different lands in One Piece, Goku & Co could have done the same but for different planets. GT's potential was/is HUGE.
@@chaseviking5096 even if it was non cannon it would still be fire but considering everything in this video is true than the hypothetical movie would pronibe too
Dragonball has a ton of interesting lore that should get more fleshed out. It's a shame that Toriyama keeps reconning stuff or has forgotten most of it.
Talking if recons, he says that Toriyama reconned the scouters being made by the ruffles by saying it was friezas tech, but this I would say is more of an extension to the story, he says himself that In 730 is when the saiyans win their war and the ruffles are only ever shown with the gun scouters, and then he says in 731 king vegeta meets frieza, this makes sense because in the broly movie, Freiza shows off new scouters and says they are better than the old ones, and the saiyans are shown using hand scouters later on.
AT is a hack and doesn't really give a shit about DB, the only reason he came back to shit on Dragonball was because nobody was buying the other garbage he was putting out.
@FaZe Gohan No it’s not. Freeza called Prince Vegeta (our Vegeta) Vegeta the fourth, so his father, who exiled Broly, is King Vegeta the third, meaning that he ruled much longer than just a year.
I really appreciate these videos. Dragon Ball was such a big part of my childhood and I still enjoy it to this day. I love being able to come home after whatever kind of day and jump right back into and also learn something I didn't know before.
I always thought that the Saiyan/Tuffle war took place like several generations before the time of King Vegeta, and that Saiyan rule of planet Vegeta had been long established by the time Frieza came. I've only watched the dub so I dunno but that's the impression I got from the narrative. And then the Saiyans worked for Frieza for many years before Frieza destroyed their planet. I don't know why but this headcanon feels better to me than it all happening in such a short space of time.
So many similarities between the Saiyans and the Mandalorians, it's crazy lol Both are warrior races, split up into royal class systems, both waged war against another race for a planet, both conquered planets and solar systems, and now the new canon for both draw inspiration from the original source story.
Kev that would be so cool. The Mandalorian is a great show. Though I would love to see an arc similar to the mandalorian after Frieza and King Cold get killed by Trunks. It would be like the fall of the Empire.
It's quite possible that there will be. I've said it over and over. Dragon Ball's a gravy train. People all over the world can't get enough of it. In the future we might even see official Dragon Ball universe spinoffs. I could be wrong, but I believe some spinoffs would be very popular. They could do what UA-camrs and others have been doing for years now. They could shift the focus away from the Saiyans and explore the rest of the Dragon Ball universe. If I were them I would. It would be very lucrative 💲 and there are endless possibilities. Everybody wins. 👍😁
@@BONEKRUSHER408 super did a hell of a lot better than that garbage called GT. GT was so bad that it's been ripped of it's title as cannon. Super stayed truer to the DB series then GT ever did.
The No.1 Guy yea your brains aren’t written over if your genetics also foster stronger bodies. How that individual chooses to train or use their ability is still up to that individual. Culture is what drives the thirst for battle. You can see this in our soldiers today. Those on multiple tours find the battle field home even after leaving. So they often pursue activities closely following that level of action or life. Say firearms instructors and such. Others pick up rafting tours. There fight or flight is a daily occurrence.
@@maymay5600 Oh wow never thought about it like that, that could explain how short they are, that would crumble vegeta world of being a pure blood saiyan, when he could actually be an hybrid :O
@@maymay5600 Not sur what you meant by ''i don't trust how you replied''. My english isn't that good. I was serious and not sarcastic. What if Vegeta was actually a hybrid, thinking all his life he was the best of the best.
I had a theory, though not a very strong one, that maybe Vegeta is half Tuffle. Explains why he's short, smarter than most Saiyans and was more compatible with Baby than the others whose bodies got taken over.
Bounty Hunter Kakuzu but you are saying you want Cooler to be expanded on in the lore. And he doesn’t exist except in shit like Heroes, so how would Toriyama expand on him?
This reminded me of a theory I made long ago. The root of it came from that King Vegeta was a Hybrid of Saiyan and Tuffles. Vegeta said in canon that hybrid Saiyans can sometimes wield incredible reserves of power. It would make sense because King Vegeta easily transitioned the technology to the truffles. What made them royalty was that they held this level of intelligence with the Saiyans nature battle power. Like maybe how Vegeta had full control of his Ozaru form could speak on this. This allows a perfect transition of power because of King Vegeta III would have already known how to work the technology. Most likely he was supposed to be a symbol of peace between the two races. Yet he chooses to dominate the truffles instead of settling in peace. That once they relinquished their technology to him he allowed them to escape and keep the planet for himself. Around this time he also realized that Tarble carried more Truffle characteristics than Saiyan so he exiled him as well. Which could mean there are more hybrids and the original Saiyan race to held in the universe. The reason why they weren't discovered was most likely their power levels were too low. This also lead to another theory it is a slight tweak to the Tarble storyline. That Tarble was actually lying when he came for Vegeta's aid. That Tarble actually wanted to recruit Vegeta. That during the time of Frieza's and King Cold's death Tarble has been venturing the galaxy taking over the Frieza empire and using them for his own gain. Also during this time, Tarble discovered more Saiyans survivors who were overlooked due to their battle power. I believe King Vegeta III was aware of his son's aptitude that he was far more intelligent than himself. That his son was more of a cold-hearted tactician than even himself. Seeing the potential strategist that Tarble was King Vegeta III planned for him to take others to create another Saiyan Colony. Tarble would then find the Tuffles again and using them he planned to create his own Tarble then orchestrated for the alien brothers to come and kill Vegeta to test his strength. However Tarble realized that Vegeta lost much of his cold-heartedness since they last met. Seeing him with a family and friends Tarble lost respect for his brother. That Tarble adored every evil exploit Vegeta ever done. He was proud of the sayian warrior. That he organized an entire army so that Vegeta could lead them and the rest of the saiyans to their highest point. Before Tarble left he used a tracking device to keep tabs on Vegeta. Ever since they met he has been seeking to return Vegeta to his former self. That he planned to kidnap the family he made on earth. Thus would force Vegeta to ask doctor briefs to develop a spacecraft and search for his family. Each and every planet he goes to would be one that he had wiped out. The Z fighters would discover this and remember just how evil Vegeta use to be. At first Vegeta acts like it doesn't effect him. That's when he sees family pictures that he wiped out with his own hands. There's more and I know its kinda dark, but I really wanted to make a Vegeta based arc. One that would force Vegeta to relieve his past and increase his bonds with the Z fighters.
@@ThatDragonGuy too early? there was literally only 29 episodes left goku went ssj4 in ep 35 and the entire thing was like 64 episodes, how is that too early?
*Random question:* Would you play a game that was based on Saiyan's early history and you had to take control of the planet from the Tuffle's and Plantians people; travel the universe 'colonising' planets all the while your character rises up the ranks to become the Leader/King of the Saiyan race?
Funny someone says something like this. I had an idea for a strategy game where you play as the different Universe 7 races in their ancient histories. So the Saiyans, the Namekians, Frieza’s Race, and even Ancient Humans. The idea is that it was a time of great conflict, and they were all vying for galactic conquest at the time. Each race would have its own style. Saiyans would be heavily offensive, with fewer units but each unit is more powerful on average, and they’d have Super Saiyans and Great Apes as elite units, and theoretical lore characters as leader units, such as Vegeta I, Yamoshi, the original Broly, etc. Namekians would be defensive, and focus on having similar unit variety as the Saiyans without being as aggressive. They’d have Super and Great Namekians as elite units. Frieza’s Race would be the “spammer” army, with a bunch of cheap, easy to produce, and expendable units. They’d all be in their “first forms.” Their more expensive units would be in their second forms, elite units in their third forms, and HQ would be in their Final Form. Ancient Humans would be balanced. Not terrible at anything, but not amazing at anything either. I think I’d steal from Halo’s book and make them really technologically advanced, which is how they keep up, with their HQ units being actual masters of Ki. And I’d probably throw Olibu from filler in as one of them.
@@DatDude0925 You say _"strategy game"_ . Do you be top down view like Diablo 3 games or Age Of Empires style? You say you have lots of ideas; what else have you thought of?
Man, imagine a war where the saiyans have the super saiyan power mostly unlocked. Where generals are like super saiyan 3 - 4, and the grunts and lieutenants can go super saiyan 1- 2. Would be cool. There needs to be an elseworld story like that.
Geekdom101 i just wanna say I was a (Dragonball head) but uve gone ABOVE AND BEYOND to teach me things that I never knew about Dragonball and turn me into a Grade 4 super Saiyan and I THANK U SO MUCH for your dedication ❤️
Hell yeah, I've always liked GT because of the lore about the Saiyan war. Among other things. I don't know why some people didn't like it as much as I.
I wish the creators decided to make Bulma’s family descendants of the Tuffles. Like maybe instead of being sent to other planets to conquer and sell, the Tuffles could have used their intellect and technology to spread peace and prosperity to other worlds. This could explain why a Tuffle or Tuffles was on earth and fell in love with an earthing resulting in the brief’s family line. When you think about it Bulma and Dr. Briefs both look strikingly similar to the Tuffles shown in the flashbacks. This would also explain their intelligence and give more weight to Bulma and Vegeta’s relationship. It may sound dumb... but I think it would have been cool.
The only problem with that is that Humans already get underpowered and shit on as is, taking away their token intellect is not only further insulting humanity, but it also further validates the lack of human OC's, and also just dilutes the importance of humans in comparison to other races.
TyeNostrodomus idk man. Have to listen to what they say when vegeta faced goku. Vegeta needed majin stamp to give him a boost to pass gohan ssj2. Vegeta also said to goku that he was stronger than his son in the cell arc. Yet goku was way passed that ssj3. If goku would have just went ssj3 vs vegeta. He would have wiped the floor with him. Goku hid his power to have a even spar with vegeta. Goku conceded to fight vegeta in another area so he wouldn’t kill any more innocent bystanders. But he never took that fight seriously cause buu was the main threat
@@HitKLHman well you're not wrong cause vegeta couldn't actually go ssj2 until majin thing happened but it was way before beerus slaps bulma and vegeta's state in battle of god was called ssj2 quake which he used to fight beerus when beerus slaped bulma
Geekdom mentioning Tuffles being short gave me a thought; what if Vegeta's mom was Tuffle or at least part Tuffle? It might explain his and Tarble's height, their less brutish appearance, and above average intellect (for saiyans). Vegeta being as powerful as he is could come from being a hybrid and even Tarble is actually relatively strong considering he could stand up to the Freeza level Abo and Cabo enough to give them "some trouble". I doubt this is Toriyama's plan but it could be an interesting twist seeing as we've never seen Vegeta's mother in the series. It would be an enormous shock to Vegeta's pride and possibly give him a new level of character development that takes him beyond "the warrior race"
That could be interesting, Vegeta's Mom has not had no real impact. Unlike Goku's mom the hypothetical Queen of Sayians could of been expanded on. Did she die post Tarble? Do women Saiyans particuarly the 'Queen' even have 'Status' to begin with. Maybe she was just one of several concubines...aaand I'm reading too much into this.
It'll be cool if they adapted some of this and made it so that a few of them got away to rebuild their race in a corner of the galaxy. They could find out about it through Jaco (cuz they never really ask) and turns out they're big contributors of the galactic patrol. Open hostility to Goku and especially Vegeta, Vegeta feeling a bit of guilt and constant squabbles over bad blood. I could see a story arc about this.
Awesome video that deals with a great aspect of Dragonball history. I always loved the episode of DBZ where King Kai tells the story of the war. I always wanted to hear more about it. Thanks for putting this together.
The Tsufurians sort of remind me of the Elves from Black clover. A highly intelligent and peace loving race,that eventually were obliterated to extinction.Yet somehow managed to return later as hate filled malevolent entities,bent on revenge against the race that killed them. So in that case Licht is pretty much the equivalent of Baby/the Tsufurian king
@@AmonsRealm he was mad that cabba was soft. Vegeta needs goku, gohan, broly, trunks and goten to come and teach the universe 6 saiyans what they could be.
Thank you for your authenticity of the conflict of the Tsurfujins and Saiyajins..At last the truth behind the Tsurfujins,Dr Lychee,Baby The Tsurfujin King and Hatchiyack..Domo Arigato
As a middle schooler I alway made up a story where there was some saiyans that was away when Freeza attacked... These saiyan continue to live a savage life for there it makes them naturally stronger...... A “evil” saiyan takeover story would be bad ass.
Bruh the tuffles are still stronger than the average human 10x earth gravity would slowly kill any human so despite their size the tuffles were probably pretty strong in their own right
What needs to happen is simple: Shine some more light on Planet Sadala because Cabba mentioned there being a King there. Take a few episodes to let Vegeta learn some more history about everything. Make some of GT canon to where we can get a better understanding of this Tuffle-Saiyan war. Also, explain who King Vegeta really is. Supposedly Prince Vegeta is a fourth. & Last, but not least if "Yamoshi" is the king of Sadala?? I wish Goku would wish his dad back. I'm willing to bet anything that when super returns, it's gonna fill us in on ALOT of things. Especially now since it's many other universes with Gods & angels. Also hoping the series to run like Z did. We need more than 131 episodes. At least 200! That way nothing is rushed & we can get the stories & arcs in full depth
Dragonball has so much potential to go into the lore and origins of the saiyansz vegeta has his brother who could potentially know were nore information exists about saiyans. I love the idea that saiyans evolved from oozarus too
Personally I feel their size in the anime is a little off, the anime, tends to screw with scaling a bit, you can see that with the Oozaru transformations some being highly inconsistent, even just in the Goku vs Vegeta fight. The Tsufruians are definitely shorter than the Saiyans though, I'd say a descent height to compare them to would be Krillin and Yajirobe.
One thing I love about your Dragon Ball videos, is the research that goes into each video, from this recent In Depth to the Saiya-jin transformations. Can't wait for the Super Saiya-jin God & Super Saiya-jin Blue videos. Looking forward to getting brought up to speed, cause I didn't watch DBSuper from beginning to end. I jumped on during the Tournament of Power story (Best animation quality).
Sounds like Neanderthals and Homo sapiens but Homo sapiens won so I guess it’s cause Neanderthals can go ozaru, wait this is exactly like that now I know where it got inspired from
Before the Broly movie I always wondered why Prince Vegeta isn't known as Vegeta Jr. but after watching the movie I understand why he isn't known as Vegeta Jr.
@@ChrisCarrasquillo i really don't like gt that much. It was really really boring. Ssj4 was definitely the only highlight. Even gogeta was boring. Because back in the 90s. Animation was restricted and it really didn't feel that op
My headcanon is that King Cold went to Planet Sadala to recruit the Saiyans, and there was a civil war between the Saiyans who wanted to join Cold, and the ones who wanted independence, which destroyed Sadala, as mentioned in DBS. Cold took the remaining loyal Saiyans from Sadala right before it was destroyed, and dropped them off on Planet Plant, promising to support them if they could take over the population, which they eventually did. This explains how the Saiyans got to Plant, while also explaining why they had so little numbers: many died in the Saiyan civil war.
Your viewers are not japanese. Your just confessing casuls. Nobody calls them tha. But purest, who thinkk there better then everybody. Sorry not trying to be rude. But tired of people trashing there oiwn language but i respect you. Have a greatday :)
You think Saiyans cross bred/raped with the Suffurians which resulted in higher intellect amongst the Saiyan race. Think about it. In all of history, when a group takes over another.....cross-breeding happens. Plus, the other race women seemed more 'prettier' then the average Saiyan woman. I don't know......just a thought.
Jeez brother!! You never cease to amaze me. Great job once again also I wish you well on your journey to getting your health back . We are all sending genki.
I think Oozaru being the original primary form makes sense or perhaps Saiyans themselves are a diluted version of a race that resembled the great ape. Greatest part of this essay is the decision to forgo Super lore.
i always thought king vegeta was only king because he led the saiyans to take over planet tuffle. i never knew he came from an actual royale bloodline. thanks for clearing that up for me.
*Man, i love your analysis but I really want to see you do a vid trying to answer a big question which many wonder. How strong are Zeno's guards? Above Angel level or below?*
@@breezyhillproductions349 - *Completely agree with you, the only people that could tell us that are those behind the anime but they joke too much even on Twitter.*
Aye bro, I’m listening to this on my way to my wedding. Got to find a way to calm myself down!
Congratz bro!
I see you avoided the friend zone
Congratulations!
I see you've got the achievement "Eternal Mate"...
*Looks at 1,000 other life achievements not done*
Contrats dude
As poorly executed as GT was, you gotta admit that the Baby arc was a brilliant idea.
True that
+Some Guy Down the Street
ALL of GT was a brilliant idea. Travelling through space, Consequences for using the Dragonballs, Bring back fallen warriors of the past.
The creators just didn't know how to pull it off like DB or DBZ did.
Apple Bee GT is still even now chock full of potential
I think because it was so bad it left the door open for so many fan theories or returns for the ideas they had
Oh it was, so was the concept of the shadow dragons arc, GT was just executed horribly
@@NoomEnihsDrop So true. When Goku, Trunk and Pan go off into space for a year. That could have easily been a MASSIVE saga. The same way Luffy travels to different lands in One Piece, Goku & Co could have done the same but for different planets. GT's potential was/is HUGE.
The concept of Baby and the Tsufurian lore is something I hope Dragon Ball Super revisits, because it has more potential than we saw in GT
Might be a universe 6 thing.
the Tsufurian stuff is pretty much the reason i like and defend that show. The Baby saga is a genuinely good arc with a lot of good ideas in it.
I thought Granola is going to take that place....
@@Vathananable he is watch and see
I want an entire Movie On The Complete History Of This Saiyen&Tuffle War
So you want another entire non cannon movie?
Would be fire
never make it cause no one would watch. we literally dont know even a single saiyan from that time yet alone a truffle to be the protagonist
@@LuciusYano bro have you never heard of new characters what's the point of android 13 cus they made new Androids your comment is so stupid
@@chaseviking5096 even if it was non cannon it would still be fire but considering everything in this video is true than the hypothetical movie would pronibe too
Dragonball has a ton of interesting lore that should get more fleshed out. It's a shame that Toriyama keeps reconning stuff or has forgotten most of it.
Talking if recons, he says that Toriyama reconned the scouters being made by the ruffles by saying it was friezas tech, but this I would say is more of an extension to the story, he says himself that In 730 is when the saiyans win their war and the ruffles are only ever shown with the gun scouters, and then he says in 731 king vegeta meets frieza, this makes sense because in the broly movie, Freiza shows off new scouters and says they are better than the old ones, and the saiyans are shown using hand scouters later on.
@Mike Noir same
AT is a hack and doesn't really give a shit about DB, the only reason he came back to shit on Dragonball was because nobody was buying the other garbage he was putting out.
Money will do that to you
@@BONEKRUSHER408ya I watched a lot of DB and man you can tell they are make shit up as they go
The saiyan’s really reaped what they sowed
The rotten veggies
Pretty much...
In Resurrection F, Whis said that Beerus authorized planet vegeta's destruction.
Rotten Saveggies
@Mykel Hardin lol
Lmao
If they reboot GT, they should make a whole arc of the saiyan-tuffle war.
Dragonball Franchise is *_MY_* Star Wars. Someone once said _"that's stupid"_ . How can it be when BOTH are works of fiction!?
Apple Bee I swear some people don’t respect anime at all but I don’t think it’s stupid because I understand how it could be.
It's like they forget Star Wars is targeted to basically the same demographic dragonball is.
Well said. I'm a Fan of both, and I totally get where you're coming from.
@@specialnewb9821 They totally do. It's just complete Bias and Ignorance.
Fan both Star wars and Db series
So King Vegeta ruled from age 730 to 731 before Freeza showed up and made him his lap dog?
Damn, that's sad. To work so hard for so little.
King Vegeta is Vegeta the third, so he's actually ruled for much longer.
@FaZe Gohan
No it’s not. Freeza called Prince Vegeta (our Vegeta) Vegeta the fourth, so his father, who exiled Broly, is King Vegeta the third, meaning that he ruled much longer than just a year.
@FaZe Gohan
Freeza did refer to vegeta as the fourth tho.
But i see what u sayin
@FaZe Gohan
Which is canon
Someone should totally use the “pendulum room” to view more a Saiyan history like how Yamcha, Tien, Krillin and Chiautzu did.
Yeah that was bad ass seeing them fight sayains from 100 years ago
That would be cool, now any of them would swat away those saiyans.
Mikeyboy86 True they should do that
@『 R e A W A K E N E D 』 for now. They may always make it a part of plot.
@『 R e A W A K E N E D 』 addition? Like broly and bardock or jaco? My point is if they want they can always use that idea.
Dragon ball needs a whole Movie based on the Full History of the Saiyans up until planet Vegetas destruction
I could be an entire series!!
Meaning planet Sadala with the civil war and them moving to plant
@@nigelholland1714 bingo. Cause we still needa see the OG legendary Super Saiyan & King Vegeta I,II
@@scoobysnax3813 legit if goku and Vegeta ever die for good they could literally make a series about just the saiyans and their past
Yes, man. This is what OG followers been waiting for! Preciate the hard work as usual, Danny. Take it easy and get some rest. 🖤
I really appreciate these videos. Dragon Ball was such a big part of my childhood and I still enjoy it to this day. I love being able to come home after whatever kind of day and jump right back into and also learn something I didn't know before.
Play dokkan for more nostalgia
I always thought that the Saiyan/Tuffle war took place like several generations before the time of King Vegeta, and that Saiyan rule of planet Vegeta had been long established by the time Frieza came. I've only watched the dub so I dunno but that's the impression I got from the narrative. And then the Saiyans worked for Frieza for many years before Frieza destroyed their planet. I don't know why but this headcanon feels better to me than it all happening in such a short space of time.
So many similarities between the Saiyans and the Mandalorians, it's crazy lol
Both are warrior races, split up into royal class systems, both waged war against another race for a planet, both conquered planets and solar systems, and now the new canon for both draw inspiration from the original source story.
Toriyama is a huge fan of star wars
I would love to see a movie on Yamoshi or an origin on the Saiyans and how they came to be.
I want Cumber to be canon
8th Chaos Emerald and shallot
No....
8th Chaos Emerald cumber must be canon
@@8thchaosemerald678 that would definitely but on planet Sadala
I hope that someday, Star Wars and DBS make a mini series about their far pasts.
Kev that would be so cool. The Mandalorian is a great show. Though I would love to see an arc similar to the mandalorian after Frieza and King Cold get killed by Trunks. It would be like the fall of the Empire.
Kotor, The Old Republic
Exactly. Full-fledged Series though. The Moro Arc is even playin' on that in Dragonball Super.
@@RandomGuy-zl5sp Yeah true actually. Didn't Vegeta go around mopping up the rest of Frieza's men?
hrthrhs I’m pretty sure idk how many were left alive tho
Enjoy the history but wish there was a movie or a special manga that gives us a true back story
Let us be patient . It’s coming 😅
It's quite possible that there will be. I've said it over and over. Dragon Ball's a gravy train. People all over the world can't get enough of it. In the future we might even see official Dragon Ball universe spinoffs. I could be wrong, but I believe some spinoffs would be very popular. They could do what UA-camrs and others have been doing for years now. They could shift the focus away from the Saiyans and explore the rest of the Dragon Ball universe. If I were them I would. It would be very lucrative 💲 and there are endless possibilities. Everybody wins. 👍😁
Would have been dope decades ago but I hope it never happens, super has shit on the lore enough.
And we need more on Beerus,Whis said he told Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta
@@BONEKRUSHER408 super did a hell of a lot better than that garbage called GT. GT was so bad that it's been ripped of it's title as cannon. Super stayed truer to the DB series then GT ever did.
Saiyan lore is some of my favorite stuff in Dragon Ball. Thoroughly enjoyed this video. Keep up the great work.
Feel like I'm working on my masters in dragon Ball watching this 😁
I wonder what would happen if you mix Saiyan and Tsufuru. Strong with lust for battle and intelligent. A fixed Gohan.
TriEdgedPrism ouch that’s a bit painful.
The No.1 Guy yea your brains aren’t written over if your genetics also foster stronger bodies. How that individual chooses to train or use their ability is still up to that individual. Culture is what drives the thirst for battle. You can see this in our soldiers today. Those on multiple tours find the battle field home even after leaving. So they often pursue activities closely following that level of action or life. Say firearms instructors and such. Others pick up rafting tours. There fight or flight is a daily occurrence.
@@maymay5600 Oh wow never thought about it like that, that could explain how short they are, that would crumble vegeta world of being a pure blood saiyan, when he could actually be an hybrid :O
@@maymay5600 Not sur what you meant by ''i don't trust how you replied''. My english isn't that good. I was serious and not sarcastic. What if Vegeta was actually a hybrid, thinking all his life he was the best of the best.
I had a theory, though not a very strong one, that maybe Vegeta is half Tuffle. Explains why he's short, smarter than most Saiyans and was more compatible with Baby than the others whose bodies got taken over.
Imagine if Cooler got the aid of the Suphorians( or Tuffles) much like Frieza got the Saiyans! How awesome would that be in a future storyline?!
That would be dope as fuck
That would've been awesome ❤
Frieza is the real OG we need to expand upon his race and backstory imo
Hope he eventually gets the attention he and cooler needs
Cooler isn't canon to the story
Hope you are prepared for massive disappointment because that ain’t Toriyamas style.
I’m not a guy who cares about things like “canon” tbh
It doesn’t matter too me
Bounty Hunter Kakuzu but you are saying you want Cooler to be expanded on in the lore. And he doesn’t exist except in shit like Heroes, so how would Toriyama expand on him?
Headshredder expand on him by giving him a story and shit like flashbacks
Not that difficult to understand. Just write him in.... not that hard
Lol I wouldn't call King Vegeta and Frieza's relationship a "partnership."
thats what it was
@@Geekdom101 nah, King Vegeta was Frieza's slave. He definitely wasn't treated as an equal.
It was a slavery actually.
Saiyans got conquered by King Cold then they were introduced to Lord Frieza.
That's the story from Bardock movie.
More like king Vegeta was his bitch
@@Geekdom101 you don't understand what that term means...
This reminded me of a theory I made long ago. The root of it came from that King Vegeta was a Hybrid of Saiyan and Tuffles. Vegeta said in canon that hybrid Saiyans can sometimes wield incredible reserves of power. It would make sense because King Vegeta easily transitioned the technology to the truffles. What made them royalty was that they held this level of intelligence with the Saiyans nature battle power. Like maybe how Vegeta had full control of his Ozaru form could speak on this. This allows a perfect transition of power because of King Vegeta III would have already known how to work the technology. Most likely he was supposed to be a symbol of peace between the two races. Yet he chooses to dominate the truffles instead of settling in peace. That once they relinquished their technology to him he allowed them to escape and keep the planet for himself. Around this time he also realized that Tarble carried more Truffle characteristics than Saiyan so he exiled him as well. Which could mean there are more hybrids and the original Saiyan race to held in the universe. The reason why they weren't discovered was most likely their power levels were too low.
This also lead to another theory it is a slight tweak to the Tarble storyline. That Tarble was actually lying when he came for Vegeta's aid. That Tarble actually wanted to recruit Vegeta. That during the time of Frieza's and King Cold's death Tarble has been venturing the galaxy taking over the Frieza empire and using them for his own gain. Also during this time, Tarble discovered more Saiyans survivors who were overlooked due to their battle power. I believe King Vegeta III was aware of his son's aptitude that he was far more intelligent than himself. That his son was more of a cold-hearted tactician than even himself. Seeing the potential strategist that Tarble was King Vegeta III planned for him to take others to create another Saiyan Colony. Tarble would then find the Tuffles again and using them he planned to create his own Tarble then orchestrated for the alien brothers to come and kill Vegeta to test his strength. However Tarble realized that Vegeta lost much of his cold-heartedness since they last met. Seeing him with a family and friends Tarble lost respect for his brother. That Tarble adored every evil exploit Vegeta ever done. He was proud of the sayian warrior. That he organized an entire army so that Vegeta could lead them and the rest of the saiyans to their highest point. Before Tarble left he used a tracking device to keep tabs on Vegeta. Ever since they met he has been seeking to return Vegeta to his former self. That he planned to kidnap the family he made on earth. Thus would force Vegeta to ask doctor briefs to develop a spacecraft and search for his family. Each and every planet he goes to would be one that he had wiped out. The Z fighters would discover this and remember just how evil Vegeta use to be. At first Vegeta acts like it doesn't effect him. That's when he sees family pictures that he wiped out with his own hands. There's more and I know its kinda dark, but I really wanted to make a Vegeta based arc. One that would force Vegeta to relieve his past and increase his bonds with the Z fighters.
I've been watching you for about 5 years now and you've never made a weak video. Keep kicking ass and I hope your health recovers soon.
Toriyama: *retcon
His fan base: HES A GODDAMN SHAKESPEARE
The Baby concept and design are the only thing that i find cool from GT.
Ghyulane Hydroxenn what about SSJ4?
Meh.
@@GangstaProdukcja It was introduced you early and nerfed
@@ThatDragonGuy too early? there was literally only 29 episodes left goku went ssj4 in ep 35 and the entire thing was like 64 episodes, how is that too early?
ssj4?
I wonder if the saiyans cross bred with the suffurians which resulted in higher intellect amongst the saiyan race.
Very possible
Maybe the saiyans rejected them because their half breeds
I mean, the Tsufruians are like a foot tall. I don't think normal copulation would be possible.
They probably did at some point
*Random question:* Would you play a game that was based on Saiyan's early history and you had to take control of the planet from the Tuffle's and Plantians people; travel the universe 'colonising' planets all the while your character rises up the ranks to become the Leader/King of the Saiyan race?
Funny someone says something like this.
I had an idea for a strategy game where you play as the different Universe 7 races in their ancient histories. So the Saiyans, the Namekians, Frieza’s Race, and even Ancient Humans. The idea is that it was a time of great conflict, and they were all vying for galactic conquest at the time. Each race would have its own style. Saiyans would be heavily offensive, with fewer units but each unit is more powerful on average, and they’d have Super Saiyans and Great Apes as elite units, and theoretical lore characters as leader units, such as Vegeta I, Yamoshi, the original Broly, etc.
Namekians would be defensive, and focus on having similar unit variety as the Saiyans without being as aggressive. They’d have Super and Great Namekians as elite units.
Frieza’s Race would be the “spammer” army, with a bunch of cheap, easy to produce, and expendable units. They’d all be in their “first forms.” Their more expensive units would be in their second forms, elite units in their third forms, and HQ would be in their Final Form.
Ancient Humans would be balanced. Not terrible at anything, but not amazing at anything either. I think I’d steal from Halo’s book and make them really technologically advanced, which is how they keep up, with their HQ units being actual masters of Ki. And I’d probably throw Olibu from filler in as one of them.
@@DatDude0925 genius!
Yo you making it or...
I wish I could lol. I have a lot of ideas like these, but no clout IRL.
@@DatDude0925 You say _"strategy game"_ . Do you be top down view like Diablo 3 games or Age Of Empires style?
You say you have lots of ideas; what else have you thought of?
Been waiting years for someone to do an in-depth on the Saiyan war. Hopefully it builds to my hype lol
okay Vegeta's old anime mustaches are better then the Broly movie ones XD
I was waiting at the door for this notification
I'd love to see a clone wars like cartoon about the saiyan wars
Imagine if they did cross breed think they would be stronger then a cross breed like gohan?
Gohan is stronger
John Doe wtf
Subscribed man. Keep it up dude. I really snuffed this for too long and now I understand the dragon ball universe way more
Man, imagine a war where the saiyans have the super saiyan power mostly unlocked. Where generals are like super saiyan 3 - 4, and the grunts and lieutenants can go super saiyan 1- 2. Would be cool. There needs to be an elseworld story like that.
My brain hurt while I read this comment
@@biology9810 there's nothing grammatically confusing about it
eh a little TOO fanboyish
Geekdom101 i just wanna say I was a (Dragonball head) but uve gone ABOVE AND BEYOND to teach me things that I never knew about Dragonball and turn me into a Grade 4 super Saiyan and I THANK U SO MUCH for your dedication ❤️
They should make a film showcasing the history of sayians from their beginnings to their rise in power
I hunger for a spin off mini-series about that war, maybe with King Vegeta or Bardock as villain protagonists
SkyTech RTS me too, I didn’t care for super, I always thought a back story if it all would be cooler.
So basically Nature vs Science...
Watching Dr. Stone rn 🤣
King Vegeta said "ight they needa head out"
Appreciate the work you do on putting these videos together
Damn, this was a good episode
Ive always seen the saiyand and tuffles being like the athenians and spartians of cladsical greece
I see it More like tuffles as the late Roman empire and the saiyans as the Germanic tribes
Hell yeah, I've always liked GT because of the lore about the Saiyan war. Among other things. I don't know why some people didn't like it as much as I.
I wish the creators decided to make Bulma’s family descendants of the Tuffles. Like maybe instead of being sent to other planets to conquer and sell, the Tuffles could have used their intellect and technology to spread peace and prosperity to other worlds. This could explain why a Tuffle or Tuffles was on earth and fell in love with an earthing resulting in the brief’s family line. When you think about it Bulma and Dr. Briefs both look strikingly similar to the Tuffles shown in the flashbacks. This would also explain their intelligence and give more weight to Bulma and Vegeta’s relationship. It may sound dumb... but I think it would have been cool.
The only problem with that is that Humans already get underpowered and shit on as is, taking away their token intellect is not only further insulting humanity, but it also further validates the lack of human OC's, and also just dilutes the importance of humans in comparison to other races.
HopefulKaede123 but that could be the case
Funny vegeta is so short lol. Let’s find out. Vegeta was half tuffle
That would break him.
Kinda explain why he couldnt go ssj 2 took him til berrus slapping bulma. Nor ssj3.
2HAYLOR1 what are you talking about ? He had SS2 in the BUU arc
TyeNostrodomus idk man. Have to listen to what they say when vegeta faced goku. Vegeta needed majin stamp to give him a boost to pass gohan ssj2. Vegeta also said to goku that he was stronger than his son in the cell arc. Yet goku was way passed that ssj3. If goku would have just went ssj3 vs vegeta. He would have wiped the floor with him. Goku hid his power to have a even spar with vegeta.
Goku conceded to fight vegeta in another area so he wouldn’t kill any more innocent bystanders. But he never took that fight seriously cause buu was the main threat
@@HitKLHman well you're not wrong cause vegeta couldn't actually go ssj2 until majin thing happened but it was way before beerus slaps bulma and vegeta's state in battle of god was called ssj2 quake which he used to fight beerus when beerus slaped bulma
What if broly has some type of relation to the first super Saiyan.
Really enjoyed the video. Thanks for the in depth explanation. ❤🙏
Geekdom mentioning Tuffles being short gave me a thought; what if Vegeta's mom was Tuffle or at least part Tuffle? It might explain his and Tarble's height, their less brutish appearance, and above average intellect (for saiyans). Vegeta being as powerful as he is could come from being a hybrid and even Tarble is actually relatively strong considering he could stand up to the Freeza level Abo and Cabo enough to give them "some trouble". I doubt this is Toriyama's plan but it could be an interesting twist seeing as we've never seen Vegeta's mother in the series. It would be an enormous shock to Vegeta's pride and possibly give him a new level of character development that takes him beyond "the warrior race"
Nope, not possible.
@Peter Deluce That actually would be a really cool Character arc for him!
That could be interesting, Vegeta's Mom has not had no real impact. Unlike Goku's mom the hypothetical Queen of Sayians could of been expanded on. Did she die post Tarble? Do women Saiyans particuarly the 'Queen' even have 'Status' to begin with. Maybe she was just one of several concubines...aaand I'm reading too much into this.
@@maymay5600 genes skip a generation
@@maymay5600 raditz is over 6ft tall while bardock is 5'9 same goes for goku so eh
Thanks for doing this video!
It'll be cool if they adapted some of this and made it so that a few of them got away to rebuild their race in a corner of the galaxy. They could find out about it through Jaco (cuz they never really ask) and turns out they're big contributors of the galactic patrol. Open hostility to Goku and especially Vegeta, Vegeta feeling a bit of guilt and constant squabbles over bad blood.
I could see a story arc about this.
I love how you discarded everything from Super. Thank you
If the saiyans were evil then why did the tuffles betray them and used them as slaves?
Awesome video that deals with a great aspect of Dragonball history. I always loved the episode of DBZ where King Kai tells the story of the war. I always wanted to hear more about it. Thanks for putting this together.
The Tsufurians sort of remind me of the Elves from Black clover.
A highly intelligent and peace loving race,that eventually were obliterated to extinction.Yet somehow managed to return later as hate filled malevolent entities,bent on revenge against the race that killed them.
So in that case Licht is pretty much the equivalent of Baby/the Tsufurian king
Love the lore videos that aren't really shown or told in order in the show. Thanks for the vid man!
Hey Geekdom101, how come u didn't mention the DBZ TV special "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans"?🤔
because its a video game
A game, I always thought it was a TV special like "Bardock The Father of Goku"!😕
I love this omg. They need release these officially man. They’d make a killing.
I hope someday that Vegeta goes to Planet Sandala.
Me too. I think vegeta will cry a little. I would be happy for vegeta.
ANKOBROWN I feel like he would be mad that Sayains are soft lol
@@AmonsRealm he was mad that cabba was soft. Vegeta needs goku, gohan, broly, trunks and goten to come and teach the universe 6 saiyans what they could be.
Thank you for your authenticity of the conflict of the Tsurfujins and Saiyajins..At last the truth behind the Tsurfujins,Dr Lychee,Baby The Tsurfujin King and Hatchiyack..Domo Arigato
i wish the anime did more of telling the story of the Saiyans from dragonball to dragonball z
A movie about this will be so damm good
As a middle schooler I alway made up a story where there was some saiyans that was away when Freeza attacked... These saiyan continue to live a savage life for there it makes them naturally stronger...... A “evil” saiyan takeover story would be bad ass.
Enjoyed this video very much. It was interesting to dig deeper into the Saiyan Tuffle war event.
I'm thinking the legendary super Saiyan definitely could've first actually been discovered in universe 6
Great video I was always interested in that part of the history in dbz thanks for the research 👍
I think dbs should make a film about the entire ancient saiyans
Im happy to be back! I got alot catching up to! Happy to see you keeping strong geekdom101!
Saiyans vs Science
Yessir, I get a speakdom and a Geekdom vid about the saiyans!!
Bruh the tuffles are still stronger than the average human 10x earth gravity would slowly kill any human so despite their size the tuffles were probably pretty strong in their own right
What needs to happen is simple:
Shine some more light on Planet Sadala because Cabba mentioned there being a King there. Take a few episodes to let Vegeta learn some more history about everything. Make some of GT canon to where we can get a better understanding of this Tuffle-Saiyan war. Also, explain who King Vegeta really is. Supposedly Prince Vegeta is a fourth. & Last, but not least if "Yamoshi" is the king of Sadala?? I wish Goku would wish his dad back.
I'm willing to bet anything that when super returns, it's gonna fill us in on ALOT of things. Especially now since it's many other universes with Gods & angels. Also hoping the series to run like Z did. We need more than 131 episodes. At least 200! That way nothing is rushed & we can get the stories & arcs in full depth
GT’s Baby and Shadow Dragon arcs were really good. Just those ideas make GT better than DBS for me
Dragonball has so much potential to go into the lore and origins of the saiyansz vegeta has his brother who could potentially know were nore information exists about saiyans. I love the idea that saiyans evolved from oozarus too
1:05 man tsufurians are sooooo tiny then saiyans even not in oozaru,so basically they will be tiny for even humans
Personally I feel their size in the anime is a little off, the anime, tends to screw with scaling a bit, you can see that with the Oozaru transformations some being highly inconsistent, even just in the Goku vs Vegeta fight.
The Tsufruians are definitely shorter than the Saiyans though, I'd say a descent height to compare them to would be Krillin and Yajirobe.
One thing I love about your Dragon Ball videos, is the research that goes into each video, from this recent In Depth to the Saiya-jin transformations.
Can't wait for the Super Saiya-jin God & Super Saiya-jin Blue videos. Looking forward to getting brought up to speed, cause I didn't watch DBSuper from beginning to end. I jumped on during the Tournament of Power story (Best animation quality).
Sounds like Neanderthals and Homo sapiens but Homo sapiens won so I guess it’s cause Neanderthals can go ozaru, wait this is exactly like that now I know where it got inspired from
I've been looking forward to this one and I'm happy to say I'm not disappointed.
Am I the only one who couldn’t watch the video just off how he’s pronouncing saiyans 😂😂😂
Yh I tried my best to ignore it lol
"hey guys im gonna purposely make ur ears bleed so i can be a nerd and say things like the cool japanese way instead of being easier to understand"
Before the Broly movie I always wondered why Prince Vegeta isn't known as Vegeta Jr. but after watching the movie I understand why he isn't known as Vegeta Jr.
Gt had great ideas with poor execution. If i was Toriyama I'd incorporate the Baby and shadow dragons Arcs into super.
Nope. Please stop. Nobody wants the shity kid goku again
@@masknzgamer not the kid goku stuff but like the villains and the concepts around them.
@@ChrisCarrasquillo i really don't like gt that much. It was really really boring. Ssj4 was definitely the only highlight. Even gogeta was boring. Because back in the 90s. Animation was restricted and it really didn't feel that op
My headcanon is that King Cold went to Planet Sadala to recruit the Saiyans, and there was a civil war between the Saiyans who wanted to join Cold, and the ones who wanted independence, which destroyed Sadala, as mentioned in DBS. Cold took the remaining loyal Saiyans from Sadala right before it was destroyed, and dropped them off on Planet Plant, promising to support them if they could take over the population, which they eventually did. This explains how the Saiyans got to Plant, while also explaining why they had so little numbers: many died in the Saiyan civil war.
Your viewers are not japanese. Your just confessing casuls. Nobody calls them tha. But purest, who thinkk there better then everybody. Sorry not trying to be rude. But tired of people trashing there oiwn language but i respect you. Have a greatday :)
goku lee I ain’t mad at that playboi
Thanks bud :)y
This was an awesome video, hopefully next movie has some more Saiyan history lore in the first portion
Gt..... not canon. Super....... hella canon.
Hell Yes! I was looking forward to this! 👊🏾
You think Saiyans cross bred/raped with the Suffurians which resulted in higher intellect amongst the Saiyan race. Think about it. In all of history, when a group takes over another.....cross-breeding happens. Plus, the other race women seemed more 'prettier' then the average Saiyan woman.
I don't know......just a thought.
Not sure on the “prettier” point though. Saiyans glorify violence, so a rough looking woman would probably be more appealing.
Damon Wiilson and then there’s Bardock who likes Gine as she is.
@@DatDude0925 that sounds more of a stereotype of ugly loves ugly, not really logical if anything.
Hello. Maybe The Lower Caste, Not The Royal Line. ✌️
Saiyans were never particular with their mates, nor did they really care to copulate with their own all that much.
Thumbs up for this great video geekdom. Good Job
Jeez brother!! You never cease to amaze me. Great job once again also I wish you well on your journey to getting your health back . We are all sending genki.
Yes!!!!!
I Have Been Waiting For This.
love all your uploads
I think Oozaru being the original primary form makes sense or perhaps Saiyans themselves are a diluted version of a race that resembled the great ape.
Greatest part of this essay is the decision to forgo Super lore.
I've wondered about this a lot. Great video!
Great video man, I never knew there was that much of a back story.
A movie about the history of the sayians and the sayian war would be golden
i always thought king vegeta was only king because he led the saiyans to take over planet tuffle. i never knew he came from an actual royale bloodline. thanks for clearing that up for me.
Very interesting. Nice job geekdom
*Man, i love your analysis but I really want to see you do a vid trying to answer a big question which many wonder. How strong are Zeno's guards? Above Angel level or below?*
We don't have enough evidence to even guess how strong his guards are. We haven't even seen them demonstrate their power.
@@breezyhillproductions349 - *Completely agree with you, the only people that could tell us that are those behind the anime but they joke too much even on Twitter.*