@djPain1 I Know this all too well. I created the record "Sorry" (that was supposed to be a global single btw) for Nicki that Tracy wouldn't clear. This type of stuff happens more frequently that people know. Its only since it was such high profile artists and it was massively publicised that we got a sneak peek of how rough it can be dealing with sample owners.
Great way to stay educating producers. It's always hard for people to understand the business of music. I'm surprised more producers don't have some sort of spreadsheet to track -samples - what records they used to sample -who they sent loops too -and all the other necessary metadata
3:29 I still dig deep. The best feeling is finding a rare gem from the 60 or 70s from other countries that's never been touched, well according to whosampled at least.
There are younger producers that use the same samples from the OG’s thinking that they’ll get the same amount of money or get it cleared a lot easier. This is not the case. For example, the sample from 50 Cent many men. Just because a producer likes six figures use that sample does not mean you’ll get the same amount of money as him this is something I just want younger producers to keep in mind.💎💎💎
You really gotta watch out nowadays because I got loops sent to me that was just a bunch of splice stuff put together. Splice guitar loop with splice vocals on top. Which im not against if someone decides to use that in their own beat. But to send it out???? It sucks that this is what its come to
Good video. One thing I want to know about sampling is whether or not taking a sample and distorting that sound completely to the point where it is unrecognizable from its initial creation would be a good way to make beats rather than just interpolating or chopping up loops.
The people that we sample from are not always a fan of hip-hop music this might be the reason why they want so much of our publishing & underline composition 🧠🧠 something to think about. Thank you for this video sir
I don't understand why people attack Pain for calling out bad behaviours in the community, he doesn't even di it out of malice, I mean sometimes some of these guys do not know the business and Pain merely educates us.
4:28 Breaks are a little different, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone has been pulled up for the Amen, Think or Funky Drummer. Not just hip hop, pop or Jungle / drum & bass which are still used.
There used to be unwritten rules about sampling somthing that somebody else sampled. That was seen as wack until the puffy and jermaine dupree era and the reason it was more creative back in the day is producers used to look for the most obscure samples that nobody ever heard before and the amount of sample time was limited. I remember when i first moved to a daw because my asr burnt out and i was amazed with the fact with a computer i had what seemed like infinite sample time. Especially because when i had an eps i used to sample at 45 then slowdown it down to get more sample time. In this age of easy to find loops everybody giving away everybody elses secrets for a couple of clicks (which they really should get dey asses beat for imo) alot of producers are taking shortcuts to satisfy algorythms and steaming platforms and the music is suffering because of it
@@DJPain1 i hear you but entitlement comes along with it and you miss out on the fundamentals. You even learn a greater appreciation for the music your sampling when you have to dig and discover. When its just there to purchase it dont mean as much and theres not the same connection and anybody can have the same shit you got if you got the money. Thats a part of the reason everything sounds the same right now. Everybodys tryna get a bag and most f these mfs aint really a part of the culture just get wits ijs
It’s more expensive to sample tbh, but digging will always be fun. I do think Hiphop overall had rules that have been eroded so much that there’s not much left to the culture though
@@DJPain1 you are completely right the industry scavengers have made it way more costly and difficult to sample nowadays. Its to the point the only reasonable solution for an independent is to sample from traklib where they have reasonable clearances. Hopefully more follow this model but with tools like remidi and serato sample being able to extract stems i think we can beat them we just gotta be more creative in how we chop
9:25 that's an interesting take bro. I'm going to consider collaborating with loopmakers more often after hearing this. Now, does this cause an issue with content id? For example if someone else uses the same loop? I try to chop/manipulate as much as possible but apparently the new technology can still pick stuff up.
Still waiting to hear you speak on tracklib. I think it’s a great option. I use A LOT of drum broker, polyphonic music library, and sample lab stuff as well as tracklib. Love all of the above. I have a few unreleased beats from samples that i really wish came from those sources but i’ll probably have to leave em for dead.
I plan on checking yours and Frank Dukes loops soon Outside of Splice loops I'm still tryna learn the basics legally if I'm using y'all loops like for a regular beat only release on Spotify or streaming services. Do I need to clear the loops I use in beats with you before releasing? If you see this maybe u can provide an answer
@@DJPain1 Aite bet Ima check some of your soul oriented stuff cuz the Splice ones aren't always as quality samples to use consistently Which of your kits you'd suggest for gritty east coast samples
There’s a plug-in that I use from the studio link called vinyl that produces can use and other creative plug-ins to make original compositions sound like sample records💎💎
I would like to see how you create an original sound by samples? I want to learn this. I got some tracks that I want to see what I can do. But I don't want to sample it. I want to make them into my own work.
@@DJPain1 I hope Im asking this question right. You spoke upon on how Frank Dukes. Id like to learn how they did their "original music" from a sample. How they do it?
@@DJPain1 I completely see that after I took a minute to step back. I was trying to pay attention to the video and hang out with my children. Then when they went to bed. I rewatched the video and actually paid attention. I appreciate the knowledge that you do provide.
Lots of muhfukhas take samples from Splice,Arcade and excerpts from existing songs and try to dilute the sound down to make it as though they made it with 100% originality.When I sample I make sure they are on the public domain or source samples way before the copyright law came about.
I still want to know why producers/beat makers don't make original beats like those did who made the originals, unless its something in the industry that's not being told to the masses about beat making
It’s strange. If there were a historical precedence or some sort of artistic merit or intergenerational element to sampling, I’d get it. But there’s nothing of the sort.
This is why I don’t sample. Then I have a fight if I didn’t copy anything from anyone, but then again there are only an infinite number of bears in the world. It’s simple math.
I love the creative side to music making which is why i do it, but I know having the insight of the business is equally important. Can you or someone in the chat tell me what would be considered an original sample as opposed to a sample from a well known track?
If you sample an existing song that you don’t own the rights to or have a legal license to use in a new work, that’s copyright infringement. It’s pretty clear cut in a legal sense.
I’ve been watching these types of videos for some time. Seen a lot. It’s never about the music, the art, is it? Well, it’s not surprising, what could possibly be said, it’s nothing more than a business for you folks.
Yep. Educating our peers is evil. I should exclusively make videos about not making a cent for 15 years while juggling three jobs and full time schooling just to appease Marcin.
I would say that depends on who the major stake holder is. Is the owner of the song the producer, the artist, or the record company? The owner is responsible.
@itzdm0r3 The producer and an Indi Artist could potentially own the song together. That needs to be discussed. Can’t just assume your entitle to it. If you receive money upfront for a lease, consider that your payment. If you build that into your lease agreement to receive 1% of the Mechanical and 50% of the Performing rights, you the man! Infinite money glitch! But i wouldn’t go and deceive people by not stating that in BOLD letters and being upfront. I believe you should just educate your self on how mechanical rights are assigned. So much info out on google. I’ve turned down leases and exclusives sales because I want mechanicals and performing rights percentages and artist being 100% greedy. That’s just me closing the $ faucet. However, in the end I own 100% of nothing 😂
This @RaphaelRJ2 of #BeatsHowUWantEm 🏆 We produced Lil Wayne - Misunderstood off the Carter 3 & Nina Simone estate took 80%…. Lil Wayne initially paid us $20,000 for the beat exclusive & and we also won a Grammy because we produce it!
I don't know man. It's hard enough to make good music. My guess is that 90% of the people watching this are just making music in obscurity and hoping one day they'll develop the skill sufficient to make something somebody would want to listen to. It's easy to listen to stuff like this and just think "I'll cross that bridge if I ever come to it." Honestly, having to worry about getting sued over sample clearance would be a good problem to have, I guess, because it would mean that I got placed or that somebody was actually listening to something I was making lol.
Saw this dude on TikTok with a melody that sounds very much like what was sting sued Juice WRLD for and I told , bro like my comment and told me he has verse 2 and I should check it out 😂😂😂
If you have love for sample music, I think you should just put it out for free. Make a "ghost" channel or something, Don't surround it with all your usual branding. make it just known enough so that the people who really want to hear it will. If you deal with takedowns etc, fuck it, put it up somewhere else. If some big rapper wants it on their album, they can deal with the legal side.
The music you make is very much a derivative of hip hop, a music form that was born from "sampling" breaks and later with hardware. And how hip hop music came to be is very much due to the socio-economics of the neighborhoods it came out of. With that said, you might want to show a little more love and respect for sampling...even if you choose to not sample.
Legalities aside; if you are going to sample be creative. Don't sample the same old shit. The UA-camr All My Friend s Are Synths has a video where he went on a trip to South Korea. He visited record stores to find stuff to sample. He ended up with Korean and Japanese records. But you don't have to go to another country to find interesting things. I hit up a thrift shop here in Las Vegas to find records to sample. One of the records I picked up is from Israel. I make music as a hobby. If I use a sample I am bot too worried. If I decide to upload any music to Distro Kid it won't be anything with sampled melodies or drum breaks. I also picked up some records because of the instruments used. My plan is to sample single notes to use in a sample player that can pitch the sample up and down depending on the MIDI notes you play. Good luck figuring out where the one piano note came from. You probably shouldn't sample if the intention is to make money. But if you do sample; find something more obscure. We don't need another Amen or Funky Drummer track. Hit up the thrift shop and look for old and obscure records. And don't use the excuse that people used samples back in the day. Those were poor people from ghetto using their parents records because it's what they had. You aren't that kind of poor. If you have a computer and internet access you have access to free software synths and drum machines so you can your own music. I make music with Linux. So even my operating system is free. Reaper is available for Linux. So you have an excellent DAW available. So maybe learn to make music instead of just using other peoples music. But that takes time and effort. It's much easier to plop in a sample of Funky Drummer than to learn how drum rhythms work so you can create your own drum breaks. But if you ask me it's much more satisfying to program my own drum pattern than to sample a drum break.
My new sample pack just dropped today: thesamplelab.com/products/allure
People are sueing for using loopmaster loops that another artist used.
@djPain1 I Know this all too well. I created the record "Sorry" (that was supposed to be a global single btw) for Nicki that Tracy wouldn't clear. This type of stuff happens more frequently that people know. Its only since it was such high profile artists and it was massively publicised that we got a sneak peek of how rough it can be dealing with sample owners.
Sorry to hear that
Great way to stay educating producers. It's always hard for people to understand the business of music.
I'm surprised more producers don't have some sort of spreadsheet to track
-samples
- what records they used to sample
-who they sent loops too
-and all the other necessary metadata
Good points
fr man
3:29 I still dig deep. The best feeling is finding a rare gem from the 60 or 70s from other countries that's never been touched, well according to whosampled at least.
If you in the music business, learning and studying everything thats included in it is key
There are younger producers that use the same samples from the OG’s thinking that they’ll get the same amount of money or get it cleared a lot easier. This is not the case. For example, the sample from 50 Cent many men. Just because a producer likes six figures use that sample does not mean you’ll get the same amount of money as him this is something I just want younger producers to keep in mind.💎💎💎
I don’t know that they think they’ll make the same amount of money. Do you have examples?
@@fentanyljones6956 yes I do unfortunately not my own personal experience with something I’ve seen in person
Honestly. Thanks for sharing the info.
You really gotta watch out nowadays because I got loops sent to me that was just a bunch of splice stuff put together. Splice guitar loop with splice vocals on top. Which im not against if someone decides to use that in their own beat. But to send it out???? It sucks that this is what its come to
Exactly my attitude as well
Good video. One thing I want to know about sampling is whether or not taking a sample and distorting that sound completely to the point where it is unrecognizable from its initial creation would be a good way to make beats rather than just interpolating or chopping up loops.
It’s all the same in a legal sense, just a matter of your tastes
The people that we sample from are not always a fan of hip-hop music this might be the reason why they want so much of our publishing & underline composition 🧠🧠 something to think about. Thank you for this video sir
True.
Been following music production sincerely 2000s, so nothing new I haven’t seen
Str8 the best gems on sampling ive seen. Keep schoolin us bro
Thank you for watching
GET UUUUM!!!
I don't understand why people attack Pain for calling out bad behaviours in the community, he doesn't even di it out of malice, I mean sometimes some of these guys do not know the business and Pain merely educates us.
Just comes with the territory. It’s the whole yin/yang concept at work.
@@DJPain1 as long as the real ones know what you are about
4:28 Breaks are a little different, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone has been pulled up for the Amen, Think or Funky Drummer. Not just hip hop, pop or Jungle / drum & bass which are still used.
@@chinering23 I hope you don’t seriously think people don’t get sued for sampling drum breaks from old songs, I really do
La musica de Loopmakers Fraud
😂
So the only loophole is to recreate the sample or be in touch with the creator prior to going viral? Cause i love sampling and using loops.
too much respect to do or offer such shit
There used to be unwritten rules about sampling somthing that somebody else sampled. That was seen as wack until the puffy and jermaine dupree era and the reason it was more creative back in the day is producers used to look for the most obscure samples that nobody ever heard before and the amount of sample time was limited. I remember when i first moved to a daw because my asr burnt out and i was amazed with the fact with a computer i had what seemed like infinite sample time. Especially because when i had an eps i used to sample at 45 then slowdown it down to get more sample time. In this age of easy to find loops everybody giving away everybody elses secrets for a couple of clicks (which they really should get dey asses beat for imo) alot of producers are taking shortcuts to satisfy algorythms and steaming platforms and the music is suffering because of it
Eh kinda, but rules always change 🤷🏽
@@DJPain1 i hear you but entitlement comes along with it and you miss out on the fundamentals. You even learn a greater appreciation for the music your sampling when you have to dig and discover. When its just there to purchase it dont mean as much and theres not the same connection and anybody can have the same shit you got if you got the money. Thats a part of the reason everything sounds the same right now. Everybodys tryna get a bag and most f these mfs aint really a part of the culture just get wits ijs
It’s more expensive to sample tbh, but digging will always be fun. I do think Hiphop overall had rules that have been eroded so much that there’s not much left to the culture though
@@DJPain1 you are completely right the industry scavengers have made it way more costly and difficult to sample nowadays. Its to the point the only reasonable solution for an independent is to sample from traklib where they have reasonable clearances. Hopefully more follow this model but with tools like remidi and serato sample being able to extract stems i think we can beat them we just gotta be more creative in how we chop
southside talked about this, i think
Agree with you. Samples you made by playing the notes yourselves and mixing them in a way that sounds like a dusty dirty record from 50 years ago.
9:25 that's an interesting take bro. I'm going to consider collaborating with loopmakers more often after hearing this. Now, does this cause an issue with content id? For example if someone else uses the same loop? I try to chop/manipulate as much as possible but apparently the new technology can still pick stuff up.
ContentID is a mess no matter what you do. It’s the worst thing on the internet for music period.
@@DJPain1 dammit man. That's unfortunate AF
Still waiting to hear you speak on tracklib. I think it’s a great option. I use A LOT of drum broker, polyphonic music library, and sample lab stuff as well as tracklib. Love all of the above. I have a few unreleased beats from samples that i really wish came from those sources but i’ll probably have to leave em for dead.
I interview tracklib years ago
Funky Drummer has been sampled even more than that. So many Jungle tunes that ain't on there
Yeah thousands more
I plan on checking yours and Frank Dukes loops soon
Outside of Splice loops I'm still tryna learn the basics legally if I'm using y'all loops like for a regular beat only release on Spotify or streaming services.
Do I need to clear the loops I use in beats with you before releasing? If you see this maybe u can provide an answer
No you don’t need to clear my loops. I don’t want to complicate people’s lives.
@@DJPain1 Aite bet Ima check some of your soul oriented stuff cuz the Splice ones aren't always as quality samples to use consistently
Which of your kits you'd suggest for gritty east coast samples
JVC FORCE - KEEP A HANDLE sampled that Dennis Edwards snippet.
It's probably dope
Thank you Dj Pain, what happens when I buy a loop from a loop maker and the same loop is used by different producers?
Theoretically nothing at all
@@DJPain1 ok thank you 💛
It's a shame he was totally cut out of any future earnings.
There’s a plug-in that I use from the studio link called vinyl that produces can use and other creative plug-ins to make original compositions sound like sample records💎💎
I’ll check it out
I will IG you a link just to be on the safe side OK let me know how you like it
I would like to see how you create an original sound by samples? I want to learn this. I got some tracks that I want to see what I can do. But I don't want to sample it. I want to make them into my own work.
An original sound with samples?
@@DJPain1 I hope Im asking this question right. You spoke upon on how Frank Dukes. Id like to learn how they did their "original music" from a sample. How they do it?
@@rivaltheproducer you’re totally misunderstanding
@@DJPain1 I completely see that after I took a minute to step back. I was trying to pay attention to the video and hang out with my children. Then when they went to bed. I rewatched the video and actually paid attention. I appreciate the knowledge that you do provide.
Lots of muhfukhas take samples from Splice,Arcade and excerpts from existing songs and try to dilute the sound down to make it as though they made it with 100% originality.When I sample I make sure they are on the public domain or source samples way before the copyright law came about.
Yeah it’s odd
@@DJPain1 Yeah,man life and everything that surrounds seems to gradually degrade on a consistent basis.
I still want to know why producers/beat makers don't make original beats like those did who made the originals, unless its something in the industry that's not being told to the masses about beat making
It’s a big conspiracy. It has nothing to do with the culture or the aesthetic. Just a big conspiracy.
@@DJPain1 I know lol. That's what i am saying. It's pretty odd to me
It’s strange. If there were a historical precedence or some sort of artistic merit or intergenerational element to sampling, I’d get it. But there’s nothing of the sort.
@@DJPain1 I hear ya! My brother makes beats i will be sharing your vids to him. He needs to know the biz behind the beats
I’m being sarcastic either way, sampling is beautiful and it helps everybody. But appreciate you watching and sharing your opinions on the topic 🙏🏽
This is why I don’t sample. Then I have a fight if I didn’t copy anything from anyone, but then again there are only an infinite number of bears in the world. It’s simple math.
But only one cocaine bear
@@DJPain1 my bad. lol
@@DJPain1 I meant beats, my iPhone isn’t used to me yet.
I love the creative side to music making which is why i do it, but I know having the insight of the business is equally important. Can you or someone in the chat tell me what would be considered an original sample as opposed to a sample from a well known track?
If you sample an existing song that you don’t own the rights to or have a legal license to use in a new work, that’s copyright infringement. It’s pretty clear cut in a legal sense.
@@DJPain1 i see. So know necessary channels legal wise before sampling other work.
Mane I just witnessed a dude drag and drop a whole damn beat. I understand why people use loops, but damn, put yo own seasoning on that shit.
Wait what
I’ve been watching these types of videos for some time. Seen a lot. It’s never about the music, the art, is it? Well, it’s not surprising, what could possibly be said, it’s nothing more than a business for you folks.
Yep. Educating our peers is evil. I should exclusively make videos about not making a cent for 15 years while juggling three jobs and full time schooling just to appease Marcin.
Who job is it to clear the sample? The producer or the artist?
I would say that depends on who the major stake holder is. Is the owner of the song the producer, the artist, or the record company? The owner is responsible.
@@itzdm0r3 so if I make a beat and give it to someone to make a song to it we both own the song?
@@yayyhy you CAN yeah. Depends on what you negotiate with any other collaborators. You can sell the beat outright, ask for royalties, or both.
@itzdm0r3 The producer and an Indi Artist could potentially own the song together. That needs to be discussed. Can’t just assume your entitle to it. If you receive money upfront for a lease, consider that your payment. If you build that into your lease agreement to receive 1% of the Mechanical and 50% of the Performing rights, you the man! Infinite money glitch! But i wouldn’t go and deceive people by not stating that in BOLD letters and being upfront. I believe you should just educate your self on how mechanical rights are assigned. So much info out on google. I’ve turned down leases and exclusives sales because I want mechanicals and performing rights percentages and artist being 100% greedy. That’s just me closing the $ faucet. However, in the end I own 100% of nothing 😂
It's the artists labels job to clear the sample
This @RaphaelRJ2 of #BeatsHowUWantEm 🏆 We produced Lil Wayne - Misunderstood off the Carter 3 & Nina Simone estate took 80%…. Lil Wayne initially paid us $20,000 for the beat exclusive & and we also won a Grammy because we produce it!
Congratulations. I listened to that track so many times when the album first came out!!! Would love to interview you about it.
Musiversal is another option
I don't know man. It's hard enough to make good music. My guess is that 90% of the people watching this are just making music in obscurity and hoping one day they'll develop the skill sufficient to make something somebody would want to listen to. It's easy to listen to stuff like this and just think "I'll cross that bridge if I ever come to it." Honestly, having to worry about getting sued over sample clearance would be a good problem to have, I guess, because it would mean that I got placed or that somebody was actually listening to something I was making lol.
I mean why intentionally do lazy work?
Saw this dude on TikTok with a melody that sounds very much like what was sting sued Juice WRLD for and I told , bro like my comment and told me he has verse 2 and I should check it out 😂😂😂
Lol feel free to sample my beats wherever the beat drops and the melody is solo I don’t give a shit
If you have love for sample music, I think you should just put it out for free. Make a "ghost" channel or something, Don't surround it with all your usual branding. make it just known enough so that the people who really want to hear it will. If you deal with takedowns etc, fuck it, put it up somewhere else. If some big rapper wants it on their album, they can deal with the legal side.
Why?
@@DJPain1 if you want to make that music...if you're being completely utilitarian, obviously you would never sample at all.
Sample BASE LOOPERS CAN'T SURVIVE..W/O SAMPLING.. REAL CREATORS STANDUP ;)) PEACE..
The music you make is very much a derivative of hip hop, a music form that was born from "sampling" breaks and later with hardware. And how hip hop music came to be is very much due to the socio-economics of the neighborhoods it came out of. With that said, you might want to show a little more love and respect for sampling...even if you choose to not sample.
Boy shut up. Hip hop was built off sampling. You dissing sampling just shows you don't know shit about the culture.
Im tired of this convo. Learn theory. Learn Synthesis. Electronic music producers are so much more talented that us.
‘Us’ 😂
Legalities aside; if you are going to sample be creative. Don't sample the same old shit. The UA-camr All My Friend s Are Synths has a video where he went on a trip to South Korea. He visited record stores to find stuff to sample. He ended up with Korean and Japanese records. But you don't have to go to another country to find interesting things. I hit up a thrift shop here in Las Vegas to find records to sample. One of the records I picked up is from Israel. I make music as a hobby. If I use a sample I am bot too worried. If I decide to upload any music to Distro Kid it won't be anything with sampled melodies or drum breaks.
I also picked up some records because of the instruments used. My plan is to sample single notes to use in a sample player that can pitch the sample up and down depending on the MIDI notes you play. Good luck figuring out where the one piano note came from.
You probably shouldn't sample if the intention is to make money. But if you do sample; find something more obscure. We don't need another Amen or Funky Drummer track. Hit up the thrift shop and look for old and obscure records.
And don't use the excuse that people used samples back in the day. Those were poor people from ghetto using their parents records because it's what they had. You aren't that kind of poor. If you have a computer and internet access you have access to free software synths and drum machines so you can your own music. I make music with Linux. So even my operating system is free. Reaper is available for Linux. So you have an excellent DAW available.
So maybe learn to make music instead of just using other peoples music. But that takes time and effort. It's much easier to plop in a sample of Funky Drummer than to learn how drum rhythms work so you can create your own drum breaks. But if you ask me it's much more satisfying to program my own drum pattern than to sample a drum break.
Smhhhhh at this entire topic. 🥱