golden miller won this race and is still the only horse ever to win the gold cup and grand national in the same year. was 1 of the greatest chasers of all time 5 straight gold cups speaks 4 itself. what a horse he was amazing
Great footage. A wonderfully high class field for the race. Golden Miller's class saw him through in this one. But he was essentially a park course horse and never made an impression on the National again after his win. Cheltenham was his spiritual home, five Gold Cup wins proves that. Red Rum, on the other hand, excelled round Aintree as no other horse has ever done. He was a decent horse, at the height of his powers, on a park course, too, but with no pretensions to being a Gold Cup winner.
James Rackley I agree that Red Rum was a great, great National horse who will be remembered forever. But so was Crisp. Crisp's performance in 1973 was arguably the finest performance in the race to that time. Certainly it was a performance that Red Rum, for all his greatness, never came anywhere emulating. Remember Crisp carried 23 lbs more than RR and still beat Golden Miller's 39 year record by 20 seconds. And in the subsequent race at Doncaster on even terms Crisp won by eight lengths. Yes I am Australian - but one who loves English Steeplechasing.
Agreed Pauline Crisp was a very fine horse , but he never won a grand national nor a Cheltenham gold cup let alone achieve those in the same season Golden Miller did!
@@goldenmiller7942 Hello sir, Totally agree with you. Golden Miller was a legend but extremely difficult to compare to Arkle . I personally have a view he would have beat Arkle in a 2 horse race both at their peak however my late dad ust to say it is pointless comparing one decade to another..Very sad that the Grand National is shadow of what it was and a true test of skill n judgement. Kind regards Glynn n greetings from Stourbridge West Midlands UK 🤝
Stiff fences that were there to be jumped as the GN is a test of jumping, but even in 1934 horse welfare was in mind for all those sensitive to the issue.
Golden miller was a great horse, but i would still put Red Rum above him. Red Rum finished a close 2nd in the 1973 gold cup and he then went on to win both the Grand National and the Scottish National within two weeks of each other, carrying top weight on both occasions. And two weeks before all of this Red Rum had a rematch with another great horse Crisp at Doncaster, so in my opinion Red Rum is one of the greatest horses of all time.
Don't recall Red Rum at Cheltenham. You sure you're not talking about his close second in the 1973 Hennessy? He won the National and Scottish National in '74, the rematch with (1971 Cheltenham 'Queen mother' chase winner) Crisp was in '73. They ran off even weights this time (Crisp was giving Rummy 23lbs in the National) and Crisp won by 8 lengths. Unfortunately, Crisp hurt himself and was forced to retire. A shame, because who knows what great duals those two would have had thereafter. When Crisp died, they planted cherry tree over his grave, which flowers at Grand National time
I did not say Cheltenham, when i said the gold cup it was talking about the Hennessy Gold Cup losing out narrowly to Red Candle. I did get the year wrong it was 1974 in what was arguably his best season, also landing the Scottish National. I was also talking about his races, did not mention any other dates, as everyone knows the dates anyway so i did not have to mention them unless of course someone asked then i would tell them.
James Rackley Ah, Hennessy Gold Cup, of course. Usually when people talk about that race they say "the Hennessy" and use "Gold Cup" for Cheltenham, hence my query. Thanks for straightening that out, although I have to say that, no, not everyone knows he dates: you, for instance. The Hennessy Gold cup in which Red Candle beat Red Rum (would like to see the photo of that finish, as impossible to separate with the naked eye) wasn't 1974, it was 1973. Yes, 1974 was his best year. He was due to run in the Whitbread (after the Scots Nat), which Ginger swears he would have won easily, only his mrs forced him to pull Rummy.
James Rackley Red Rum wasn't the greatest horse of all time, but he was the greatest National Horse of all time. Putting it in perspective, Golden Miller won 5 straight Gold Cups, a feat I don't think will ever be surpassed, plus he won the Gold Cup and National in the same year, another feat not equalled yet, and probably never will be. L'Escargot won 2 Gold Cups and 1 National (beating Red Rum into 2nd) but not in the same year. Two subsequent Gold Cup winners' attempts ended badly, as both Synchronized and Alverton had fatal falls. Going back to this video, it was disappointing that the finish was missing from the footage that remains intact, lost in the sands of time
You make an excellent point, David, and I'm inclined to agree with you. However, I would also argue that there are many elements that go into being classed as "the greatest", one of which is the fame factor. Among race goers Golden Miller most certainly ticks that box, but worldwide he is left standing by Rummy.
golden miller won this race and is still the only horse ever to win the gold cup and grand national in the same year. was 1 of the greatest chasers of all time 5 straight gold cups speaks 4 itself. what a horse he was amazing
Great footage. A wonderfully high class field for the race. Golden Miller's class saw him through in this one. But he was essentially a park course horse and never made an impression on the National again after his win. Cheltenham was his spiritual home, five Gold Cup wins proves that. Red Rum, on the other hand, excelled round Aintree as no other horse has ever done. He was a decent horse, at the height of his powers, on a park course, too, but with no pretensions to being a Gold Cup winner.
James Rackley I agree that Red Rum was a great, great National horse who will be remembered forever. But so was Crisp. Crisp's performance in 1973 was arguably the finest performance in the race to that time. Certainly it was a performance that Red Rum, for all his greatness, never came anywhere emulating. Remember Crisp carried 23 lbs more than RR and still beat Golden Miller's 39 year record by 20 seconds. And in the subsequent race at Doncaster on even terms Crisp won by eight lengths.
Yes I am Australian - but one who loves English Steeplechasing.
+Pauline Sampson Crisp didnt win it !!
Agreed Pauline Crisp was a very fine horse , but he never won a grand national nor a Cheltenham gold cup let alone achieve those in the same season Golden Miller did!
@@goldenmiller7942 Hello sir, Totally agree with you. Golden Miller was a legend but extremely difficult to compare to Arkle . I personally have a view he would have beat Arkle in a 2 horse race both at their peak however my late dad ust to say it is pointless comparing one decade to another..Very sad that the Grand National is shadow of what it was and a true test of skill n judgement. Kind regards Glynn n greetings from Stourbridge West Midlands UK 🤝
Stiff fences that were there to be jumped as the GN is a test of jumping, but even in 1934 horse welfare was in mind for all those sensitive to the issue.
Golden Miller was some horse , fascinating footage and the use of slow motion , described by the doyen of racing Geoffrey Gilbey .
I support you there in that view.
Thank you
Hmmm a bit of dodgy editing - 2 water jumps? I don't think so! No finish either. Who won?
well done :)
@thedarleyarabian L'escargot won two gold cups and a national but not in the same year (he beat red rum in the 1975 national)
So who won?
@littlebay75 what was the only other horse that has won both but not in the same year?
Lescargot.
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Golden miller was a great horse, but i would still put Red Rum above him. Red Rum finished a close 2nd in the 1973 gold cup and he then went on to win both the Grand National and the Scottish National within two weeks of each other, carrying top weight on both occasions. And two weeks before all of this Red Rum had a rematch with another great horse Crisp at Doncaster, so in my opinion Red Rum is one of the greatest horses of all time.
Don't recall Red Rum at Cheltenham. You sure you're not talking about his close second in the 1973 Hennessy? He won the National and Scottish National in '74, the rematch with (1971 Cheltenham 'Queen mother' chase winner) Crisp was in '73. They ran off even weights this time (Crisp was giving Rummy 23lbs in the National) and Crisp won by 8 lengths. Unfortunately, Crisp hurt himself and was forced to retire. A shame, because who knows what great duals those two would have had thereafter. When Crisp died, they planted cherry tree over his grave, which flowers at Grand National time
I did not say Cheltenham, when i said the gold cup it was talking about the Hennessy Gold Cup losing out narrowly to Red Candle. I did get the year wrong it was 1974 in what was arguably his best season, also landing the Scottish National.
I was also talking about his races, did not mention any other dates, as everyone knows the dates anyway so i did not have to mention them unless of course someone asked then i would tell them.
James Rackley Ah, Hennessy Gold Cup, of course. Usually when people talk about that race they say "the Hennessy" and use "Gold Cup" for Cheltenham, hence my query. Thanks for straightening that out, although I have to say that, no, not everyone knows he dates: you, for instance. The Hennessy Gold cup in which Red Candle beat Red Rum (would like to see the photo of that finish, as impossible to separate with the naked eye) wasn't 1974, it was 1973. Yes, 1974 was his best year. He was due to run in the Whitbread (after the Scots Nat), which Ginger swears he would have won easily, only his mrs forced him to pull Rummy.
James Rackley Red Rum wasn't the greatest horse of all time, but he was the greatest National Horse of all time. Putting it in perspective, Golden Miller won 5 straight Gold Cups, a feat I don't think will ever be surpassed, plus he won the Gold Cup and National in the same year, another feat not equalled yet, and probably never will be. L'Escargot won 2 Gold Cups and 1 National (beating Red Rum into 2nd) but not in the same year. Two subsequent Gold Cup winners' attempts ended badly, as both Synchronized and Alverton had fatal falls. Going back to this video, it was disappointing that the finish was missing from the footage that remains intact, lost in the sands of time
You make an excellent point, David, and I'm inclined to agree with you. However, I would also argue that there are many elements that go into being classed as "the greatest", one of which is the fame factor. Among race goers Golden Miller most certainly ticks that box, but worldwide he is left standing by Rummy.
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