SLIP TEST - Mercedes E500 4Matic vs Audi A6 3.0 TDI Quattro -
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Mercedes E500 W211 Wagon 4Matic (2005)
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Audi A6 C6 3.0 TDI Quattro (2006)
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4Matic
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Merc sounds good, like a V8 from the good old days.
As it was my car I'd like to notice it has modified exhaust.
I love working on these old M113. Nothing really breaks and tons of room. For me it's the best petrol engine Mercedes has build
@@LMO169 "tons of room" - it's your opinion 🤣 I've changed the spark plugs myself and I wont do it again. I'd rather pay the shop to do it next time.
But the rest is true, engine seems indestructible if you care for it
@@starky94 I'm the guy in the shop. Compared with the regular 4 and 5 cylinder engines it's tight of course but when I compare it to the M156, M176 or M278, it is much roomier
That's because it is a V8 from the good old days.
The amount of energy that mercedes was losing in the torque converter is really high.
Really happy to see how much the 4x4 systems have evolved.
How did you find that mercedes was losing energy in the torque converter?
A lot of the engine power get lost because of brake engaging. The electronic system try to brake spinning wheels to transfer power to the wheel(s) with grip. Thats necessary because the car has only open differentials. Without brake engaging, the car wouldn't past any of this tests.
@@b.s.7693 You're 100% right. It's just that I'm not used to seeing so many revs with little to no wheel spin on other 4WD systems. But then, I am used to the most recent 4WD systems.
@@ravenheart369 you can notice that because of the engine revving and wheels not spinning. But the guy below gave an excellent response to this.
not true. The mercedes has a transfercase with a cluch packs to 50nm. This is an important thing like different to the w210 series. The w210 serie could come to stuck in some situation. The e500 w211(onlye500.has this packs) not because of the 4 ets and the cluch packs works the system like it should have 3 closable differentials.
Hej, macie ochotę przetestować Golfa IV 4motion TDI 150KM (Małopolska) ?
Hej, pewnie. Jeśli masz możliwość, napisz przez facebooka.
Das beste oder nichts 💁🏽♂️
This would be really interesting to see with the old generation Audi quattros. Something like the B3 and B4 generations.
they cant test them because they have only rear diff lock. Good systems but vs 4 matic no chance
i've been reading all the comments and what most people forget ist that rollers are the worst case scenario, zero traction literally. It just shows how different awd/4wd systems work. In real life a tire has even on ice a tiny bit of grip and 4matic and quattro will find enough grip to move the car. The quattro is more front biased and the 4matic more rear biased but it is my own opinion so feel free to correct me if you know better.
Exactly mate.
You can see those differences (front/rear bias) in the 3 rollers test where MB had rear wheel on ground it drove without too much issues where Audi on the other hand won with front wheel grip.
4Matic here is 40/60 (front/rear) while Audi is 50/50. Rollers indeed are simulating the worst case scenarios, but that just sometimes happens in life. Tests on rollers vs real world situations: ua-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/v-deo.html
I have gotten the classic criss-cross tire spin many time in the real world.
I think this generation of A6 is also F/R=40/60. The previous one, C5, was 50/50, but from what I’ve read, it was changed in C6 to be more rear-biased.
Nevertheless, obviously the A6 had some issues with grip in the rear, for whatever reason. Probably, it might have been enough to salvage it, should it had more traction?
@@mioiox According to tech docs it has torsen T2, 50/50. When it comes to traction - it was able to spin rear wheel but quite rapidly, so traction was lost. Anyway it did good job.
Mercedes super
Audi fans: Quattro is the best AWD ever!
Non Audi fans: watch this!
4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel: There is no such thing like "the best AWD".
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers but they think that.
@@justawhitenigga Yeap, I just stated what I think 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ok.
Would love to see cars with real limited diffs
You can find some on my channel. Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, Opel Insignia, Subaru Forester.
there are oldscool and in realy strong situation unusable. Nissan Terrano also.
Limited Slip with only 40% lock on the rear diff. Jeep Cherokee kj (Liberty) with 70% limited slip.
Could you please test 2011 skoda yeti ?
So far I couldn't find a volunteer...
Gdzie mogę kupić takie rolki?
Ciężka sprawa...
Ebay
so which is better? 4М but quattro?
I guess they're both comparable. Each one of those systems has it's strong and weak points
Funny how Audi just destroys the competition with Quattro in real life conditions.
That's not true at all. There are many great awd systems, Quattro is one of them. Besides there are many types of Quattro, some are ahead, some are behind the competition.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Take the same cars in the snow and you will be amazed how different they react, comparing with the results from this video.
@@raulm.1556 Maybe, but I was talking in general, not about these two. Here we basically have open diff vs torsen diff.
Вот именно это я описывал в предыдущем посте, torsen механика и ему надо большое количество оборотов чтоб была большая разница на осях.
e500 4matic with 4ets and sbc does not need high torque. It can controll 100 % of the power in 200 milisecond to only 1 wheel. It is an electrical 3 locked differential system.
@@borillkageza1443 E500 here doesn't have any locking differentials.
@@borillkageza1443 I was talking about audi
Объясните как этот тест называется, Бо я посмотрел видео и нечего не понял что произошло)
This guy explains it: ua-cam.com/video/mryGnENTsoI/v-deo.html
Mercedes G would be the best :D with 3locked differential there are no rollers can stop it :PPP
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Fur sprung dur techniek, 4 Matic
where did you buy the rollers? i need a set
They are from diy category.
Nice video, but the problem with all those rollers' tests is that they do not show an actual real-life situation behavior of the car. Yes, they give a good overview of how a car would behave when it loses grip, but still it's not the most accurate measurement of how a car can handle ice, snow, rain, etc.
Roller tests do not show any dynamic behaviour of awd system, however:
Tests on rollers vs real world situations - ua-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/v-deo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yeah, I've watched this video the moment it came out. And that's why I said they give a good overview. And I am not saying that they are not close to how the car would handle in real-life, but still there are lots of different situations that they do not show. I had a situation on small snow/ice on a sharp turn, my car handled it very well - the 4x4 helped, the ESP helped, and it continued to the right direction. :)
something is not ok with the benz because the e500 has 4ets and sbc (sensotronic brake system). If you turn on ESP, the system can control all the 100% of the power to only 1 wheel in 200 milisecond if its necessary.
E500 4matic until 2006 can do the same like a g klass or ml with offroad pack.
Everything is fine. It is not possible to direct all power to one wheel by brakes that fast, it requires clutch-packs. Here the Benz is based on open diffs, this test is very difficult for this kind of awd system.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers not true, the e500 4matic has clutches pack with 50nm and it is to get grip left front by wheeling right rear. 50nm cluth set is involved in the w211 e500. But only in the e500 4matic. The other type of w211 does not have it. The older series w210 does not have. But its also not important because realted with 4ets and sbc, the system can controll in 200 ms all the power to only 1 wheel. Belive me. I also tested with the same procedure and it is possible.The open diff are possible to get 3 differential to close with 4ets. Thats the different to x drive and quattro.
@@borillkageza1443 Brake control system cannot send all power to one wheel within 200 ms. That's not a thing to belive, that's physics. Only clutch-packs in all differentials would be able to do that. If I am wrong - please name all differentials in this car. What kind of front, what kind of center and what kind of rear is applied.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
not true. Read about the 4ets system with sbc. In 200ms 100% to only one wheel with grip. The transfercase has in the middle the cluth packs. This controls the spinning by start up from the rear right wheel to the left wheel to 50nm. The rear diff is 3.27. In the normaly e500 without 4matic has the rear diff 2.65 in Europe, in usa 2.82. If the cluth does not works, its knocking loud by turning left or right. This is the best of the the 4 matic. In 1997 comes 4matic in ml to the market and this was the best awd of the world until today. You can see in the video that esp is not all the time turned off. This is the problem. If you do not turn off the motor electric will be also breaked by esp. Esp is since 1998 in the ml and it controlls only the stability and also with motor managing. If you turn it off all 4 wheels can spin to 60 % and only 40% is for safety on. Belive me. The 3 wheels does not spin in this video and in this moment the system should controll the whole power to this 3 wheels. Thats is 4 matic. What do you think why is it functioning on ice roads but only without esp? If the mercedes is in this video built after 2005 and does not have sbc, it can not controll in 200 ms. Sbc is an electronic break system and according to 4ets can control in 200ms.
@@borillkageza1443 Brake system may detect the slippage and react in 200 ms. That is not the same thing as sending all power to one wheel within 200 ms. Actually that's a completely different thing. During the test we tried all options: ESP ON, ESP OFF and dyno mode.
Quattro managed to put enough power to the rear wheel and it spun.. just didnt have the traction to move the car from the rollers but the system worked well enough and if it had the traction it was gonna make it. Where the Merc just coudnt put enough power to the front wheel. In my opinion quattro did better.
The only problem is that it did it aggressively so the traction was lost.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Maybe but it looks like the power builds up and the tire just doesnt have the needed traction, because it spins up slowly at first and then faster. But anyway thx for the video.
The 4Matic problem is simple . This generation of 4Matic is a fulltime 4wd, with a torque bias FR/RR of 40/60, with 3 open differentials ans only the 4-ETS (traction control). There is one thing to understand, a traction control system, unlike a limited split differential or a locker, doesn't change the torque biais of a differential, here, the center differential. It seems here that 4-ETS is effective to stop wheels spins...
АSR не не знаю атак ABS очень хорошо функция.
Gdzie Ci wszyscy co śmieją się z 4matica i uważają że quattro jest najlepsze? Pozdrawiam
To samo miałem napisać...
A tutaj, fakt Mercedes ładnie sobie radzi na rolkach, na szczęście na drodze spotyka się śnieg, lód oraz wodę, a nie rolki, dlatego wolę Quattro
Nigdy nie jeździłem 4matic, za to quattro testowałem A6 2.7 biturbo i robiło robote na śniegu, na lodzie. Volvo xc90 T6 też dawało rade bez problemu, nie zauważyłem żeby radziło sobie gorzej niz quattro :D sam teraz mam 4x4 haldex z e-lsd i nie mogę sie doczekać śniegu :D pozdro
@@e_ST_ek Rolki vs śnieg, lód itp.: ua-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/v-deo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers W przypadku torsena występuje różnica w jego zachowaniu na rolkach, a w trudnych warunkach atmosferycznych wynikająca z jego budowy, wiem to po A8 D2 4.2, której w zasadzie nic nie jest w stanie zatrzymać i przekonałem się o tym wiele razy, dlatego jestem z tych którzy twierdzą, że napęd Quattro zasługuje na miano "Legendarny" i być może najlepszy. Pozdrawiam
Benz win easy 😍😍👍
Yep, if only 1 front wheel have grip merc or audi 4wd are useless
Actually Audi had no problems with that test.
this is not fair, audi a6 4,2 fsi vs e 500 thats fair. trust me quattro is the best
What's the difference if about 40hp is used in such test?
4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel the difference is petrol vs diesel and diesel have always more torque
@@Deinvater12345 Mercedes: 460 Nm. Audi 450 Nm.
@@Deinvater12345 The torque on wheels is what counts.
AMG
Zadnji test mercedes nije prosao upravo zbog pogodna koji je 60-65 pozadi a audi ima skoro 70 na prednjoj osovini. Tako da samo ta prednja osovina audija izvlaci inace je sranje...
Retarted comparison! Difference in first clips, difference in gas , this test should be taken with same drivers !
How does difference in clips changes the result? That is the same car.
Gas - the same input of drivers, but completely different reaction of awd/tc systems.
Drivers - owners of the cars. They know these cars better than any other "the same driver".
4matic
ua-cam.com/play/PL_d2bK7PR7ywIgBh-H0jwEMSUDOBoR996.html
1:50 quattro win
Just go with this to cars on the snow and we will see.
что же я вижу
кватро слила ферматику
Quattro
The driver make the diference , the Audi driver its an idiot and the MB driver its a pro
Oh I see we have an sofa expert here. All right, come on smartass an explain to everybody why one is an idiot an another a pro. TO THE POINT.
Audi Win 🏁💪💪💪
Sadly for You, no.
it's not all ok with audi. something is broken
Another one...?
Nothing is broken.
yep, another one. how much km it was driven? just dead torsen
if i find rollers like you have, i show how quattro works :)
@@ikomap Car belongs to my great friend, nothing is broken. That's just how torsen works when grip on one side is very low. By definition. Find a rollers and you will see :)
@@ikomap It is your subjective opinion. Keep in mind that those are not brand new cars and some parts might get worn over time, but assuming that it was broken is pointless. Broken drivetrain makes bad noises and makes ride harsh. I think that if it would be broken then it wouldn't finish any 4x4 test at all or even break mechanically during the test.
I'm glad to hear that your car has just left the car dealer(brand new) and is in pristine condition.
On the other hand - Every car is different and I had many cars including quattro ones (B5, B6 and drove C5 2.7bit). There are people all around the world saying quattro is the best system in the world - that's their opinion and they have right to say so.
4x4 system that suits ME best is 4matic as its not as aggressive as quattro. But like I said - it's my opinion.
Subaru do it better
Show me a subaru which will be as comfortable as those 2 cars. Not mentioning that Subaru isn't a premium brand these days.
@@starky94 Sorry mate, this is not about comfort, it's about the behavior of a car on snow and ice. This is where Subaru's AWD system is inviolable.
@@filipvidakovic3289I've mentioned about comfort because those are not offroad cars and they have to be comfortable and as an option they can manage in harsh conditions such as snow/ice.
In terms of 4x4 Subaru would be crushed by G-class or other offroad cars like Patrol, Vitara etc.
So comparing Subaru with E class or A6 is wrong. As those cars are from different segment.
Skoda jak zwykle dno, Mercedes znośnie, brakuje króla, żeby pozamiatał towarzystwo ➡️ gdzie xDrive ?! 💪💪
Xdrive? Np. tutaj: ua-cam.com/video/7riTd3ySzow/v-deo.html
Fan BMW jak zawsze pokazuje poziom xd
Króla 😂😂😂
@@staszeq12 szczegolnie w xdrive;) gdzie zle dobrane opony potrafia go uszkodzic;)
Lukasz K Dokładnie ale nie ma co dyskutować bo i tak zostaniemy zjedzeni przez „ prawdziwych „ fanów 😎🍺.
It is a fail
Merc sucks
Quattro realy sucked of in this test, nothing audi fanboys could br proud of it, realy bad!!!!
test torsen on snow... rollers dont say all
@@villepekkala It is not the point of rollers but the torsen structure. It may get stuck on snow just like on rollers. Not a frequent situation but happens.
@@villepekkala even the tanks get eventually stuck in snow or mud ;)
The behavior of an AWD system depends strongly on the remaining drag on the wheels. In the tested near zero grip situation, the classic quattro without assisting electronic couldn't do much. In other (real) situation with more remaining grip on wheels it performs much better. But this tests bring more clear results than comparisons on reality.
@@b.s.7693 That's correct, however there are many examples where Quattro got stuck in winter conditions just like on rollers. Mainly older versions. In such situation torsen is almost the same as open diff, so that's nothing unusual.
Quattro sucks
4Matic