I love George Francis' interviews. The commentators always ask or say stupid things and he gives the most dead pan factual answers to correct them. Craig, stupidly: "I thought they'd be to heavy (to flip out of the arena)" George, matter of factly: "Well they're all the same weight" lol
"Chaos 2 looks a lot faster.. Must've been tunin' 'er up huh?" Nope :^) "Maybe you forgot you changed a little sumtin' to make it better?" Shouldn't be. Same bot. :^) "The flipper looks stronger" Literally the same robot. :^)
What also gets me is how the arena looks slightly different in the semi finals to what it does in the heats. Not only have they given it a wash but they've changed the doors and I think a few camera angles. Series 4 is probably my favourite arena style (though i do love the slightly bigger series 6 arena too) and it's mainly due to the lighting, it's not so gloomy as previous seasons were, particularly series 3
Iirc correctly the top layer of the floor is actually just coated plywood. It was pretty shredded by the end of the heats so they obviously had to replace it.
It doesn't get better than this. I'm really surprised none of these fights made it to your top 25 (though I admit they're entirely subjective) these are just so... so good. Only Chaos 2's fights didn't need a judge's decision, and pretty much all these robots would go on to be regular Series Semi-Finalists. So much I wanna say about this, but I'm beginning to worry I'm ripping off Arcane Azmadi on the BBCRobotWars channel. The big fight I was looking forward to, one I didn't remember, was Dominator 2 vs Firestorm. A thread on reddit was full of people saying that Firestorm didn't deserve its' victory and eh... I can kinda see that. I wouldn't call it a whitewash, but I was certainly expecting less control from FS and more damage from D2. Was it maybe a dose of producer meddling that didn't want the same semi-finalists as last wars (hence why Steg 2 didn't get the 'seeds kept apart' memo)? Or was it payback for close and dodgy decisions over Bolt From The Blue and The Morgue? I also didn't remember Thermidor 2 vs Pussycat as well as I'd hoped, which was a shame because damn, that flipper. I always thought S4 T2 was a bit wet compared to its' Extreme variant, but simply hauling Pussycat over it's shoulder... ouch. But this was the series when weapon tech was good and the armour didn't quite match. Thank you so much for uploading this, happy memories of my childhood.
just because one person posts their insightful commentary about something somewhere dosent mean you can provide your own opinions, even if they are similar
Tom Hartley I would tend to agree with you, but Damage and Aggression score you more points over Style and Control. It was also a split decision made with a difference of one point, so that's something
Thermidor has a ferocious flipper, I can't help wondering how well it would do if they threw away those heavy 'claws' and just optimised the flipper. Pussycat is a unique robot, I can't think of any other that achieves 'self-righting' in such an ingenious way. Its weapon looks fairly ineffectual, but seems to be more effective than it looks; still not all that powerful but it's difficult to imagine what other weapon they could fit to it.
In a podcast fans were saying the draws should have been different. Chaos 2 should have been drawn against Dominator 2 also I think Wheely Big Cheese vs Thermidor 2 Firestorm 2 vs Steg 2 Pussycat vs Tornado. Who do you think would win then?
Unless dominator got a single hit aimed nicely in the back of chaos 2, chaos 2 should win that as they control better than firestorm so should get a few more points if it ended up going to a judges decision WBC vs Thermidor 2 would probably be thermidor nipping round the sides and being aggressive but again a single high/well aimed flip from WBC could cause internal damage or break a wheel off Firestorm vs steg 2 would probably go to firestorm for better driving and more aggressive wall slams. Firestorms self righting is more reliable so flips from steg 2 would have less impact Pussycat vs tornado would be the closest and again a single awkward hit near the wheels like they did to hypnodisc later on this series could be detrimental but tornado would probably win from aggression
And finally - here's the payoff for sitting through sixteen episodes of mostly naff robots doing mostly not very much to each other. Eight serious bots and not a turkey among them.
@@misterwishart it doesn't matter about how exciting they are, or how they got through the heat. In this battle, Firestorm was waaaay on top for the majority, and also finished strongest. They deserved to win. Your comment is like saying that the winner of the World Cup final should be decided on the matches that came before, and how exciting the football is, rather than who scores the most goals in the actual match that counts. IMO, Razer was always the most boring bot anyway. Grab, hold, drag, bore, yawn. Yes damage was done, but it was done sooooooo slowly.
That's Robin Hereck. He worked on and was Captain of Crankie from the latest series, (Lost to Aftershock in the first heat) and Kill-E Crank-E from the series preceding that: (The one that dragged Razer down the pit in the first battle of the first heat)
@@GeriatricFan1963 Kill-E Crank-E didn't drag Razer down the pit. It spun to try and avoid it, and they both fell down. There's no way the team could've known it was going to be some "mutual death pact" nonsense. And it was Razer who put Kill-E Crank-E in that predicament in the first place.
With the benefit of hindsight (and they were kinda arrogant even in these wars to be honest), I think Chaos II flipping Tornado clean out of the arena is probably the single most satisfying moment in Robot Wars history.
Loving this semi finals chaos 2 was amazing against stag 2 which is a shame for stag 2 because they did well I do like flipper vs flipper Don't hate me but I thought WBC should have won against tornado they where aggressive to beginning I know WBC got damage but that was matilda but tornado was not moving near the end and was smoking but hay that's the way it goes especially since I would love to see WBC vs chaos 2 would be awesome match It's a shame about thermador they did well against pussycat but u got to give credit for pussycat to servive those flips it's just a shame thermador run out of gas but that blade on pussycat is pretty good Firestorm vs dominator 2 was a good fight I think firestorm should have won because of aggressive but dominator did damage them so well done to both a close match
WBC's critical damage was done by Tornado, NOT Matilda. If you look at 13:04 you can easily see that WBC's wheel broke when Tornado slammed them against the wall; Matilda was several feet away. But I absolutely would have given the fourth fight to Firestorm. Both bots were aggressive, but Firestorm scored more attacks on Dominator than Dominator did on Firestorm, Firestorm was quicker, Dominator did them superficial damage but it didn't slow Firestorm down at all, they were going even better at the end of the fight.
I agree Wheely big cheese should have won, tornado may have been more aggressive but we’re immobilized at least 50% by the end and Wheely Big Cheese was immobilized maybe 30% from that bad tire
@@cr10001 How do you know Tornado did that damage to Wheely Big Cheese and not the impact of the latter reversing into the wall? Both that and Tornado's impact happened at the same time. And Tornado was internally burning up, which I'd argue is more significant damage. Still, I agree with Tornado getting the win in the sense that Wheely Big Cheese was limping around before Tornado was. It's just a shame one of the former's welds was weak.
I think I heard or read that there was some additional footage left out of Dominator 2 doing more to Firestorm than what was shown. Not very well edited, since it makes Dominator 2 look less of a deserving winner. Then again, the fact the axe caused even superficial damage was also more than what Firestorm did in that area, and damage is the most important in the scoring criteria.
I would have really loved to see Dominator go through to the Grand Final and possibly win the 4th Wars. Unfortunately, once Pussycat ripped the shell off, it was basically a waddling duck.
Watching wheely big cheese v tornado was like watching two pro fighters batter each other to exhaustion, by the end of it they weere both coughing up blood.
@@dillonlongland8995 I actually have it on my computer because I downloaded it from this channel years ago and I recently found it in an old map and no I'm sadly not planning to upload it because it's very possible that the video gets copyrighted or worse a copyright strike
Wheely Big Cheese got 3 flips in while Tornado shoved it around the arena, especially picking up the pace in the last minute or so. Also, Tornado rammed Wheely Big Cheese into the wall and dislodged its wheel; all Matilda did before that was give WBC a little flick. Based on the edited version of the full 5 min fight, I’d maybe give Style to WBC, but Tornado would walk away with Damage, Aggression and Control.
@@TheLegacyofHitchcock I still disagree. You see classic tornado fights and there all aggression this was all and for me but hey that's differences for you.
I agree. Tornado didn't do anything really. Besides - not that this factors into it at all but I did not like Tornado's attitude to fighting Wheely Big Cheese.
Full classic Robot Wars battles were 5 minutes in length, but trimmed down for TV- Dominator 2 vs Firestorm 2 had 2 minutes of air time. Even based on what we saw, I think that it was really close. If we go by individual weapon attacks, Dominator hit Firestorm with its axe 4 times while Firestorm flipped Dominator onto its side 4 times, with a little extra flipper nudge on the wall at the very end. Firestorm finished with the upper hand, but Dominator 2 also had good periods where it had Firestorm clamped on its wedge and was pushing it around. You can see in the Pits afterwards that Graham Bone comments on there being many holes Firestorm- maybe Dominator landed more hits offscreen? Ultimately, between 2 robots that were well matched on aggression, a bit of damage is sometimes enough to swing it.
@@tyreesetjjoyner1995 Suicidal Tendencies wasn't robbed. The fact its track was immobilised meant they weren't properly mobile, thus the judges were right to rule against it, as they also should've done in Series 3 when the same situation occurred. Maybe Wheely Big Cheese didn't directly do that damage, but it's still fair to say that you shouldn't be out of it for any reason before your opponent. I'd understand if Suicidal Tendencies managed to fully imobilise or pit Wheely Big Cheese in spite of the mobility trouble - like how Behemoth beat Magnetar in Series 10 - but that's not what happened here.
no the judges are always biased to them, there has been many times they lost obviously but judges with favouritism let it go through, great robot but some unfair wins
I don't get why Jonathan calls 0,01 meters "1 millimeters".. It's 1 centimeter. Besides, the clearence part of the sheets are so inaccurate. Chaos 2 has 1 centimeter clearence? Where lol?
Out of curiosity, what makes you say that? Thermidor 2 started strongly against Pussycat, but the latter gradually got some cutting attacks in and left Thermidor limping by the end. Thermidor had plenty of aggression, but Pussycat had aggression and damage. Tornado and Wheely Big Cheese is a similar story. Good flips from WBC, but Tornado had some good slams and brook a wheel on WBC, compromising their mobility first. Firestorm 2 vs Dominator 2 is a famously subjective fight, especially based on the TV edit. In my eyes, Dominator 2 clinched it. Firestorm did get a load of flips in, but Dominator 2 also got underneath Firestorm and axed it a number of times. Damage + Aggression > Aggression alone. Pussycat slammed into Dominator 2 multiple times, cut into the shell and pulled it loose from the baseplate. Dominator 2 got a few axe blows in and caused no damage.
@@TheLegacyofHitchcock damage means proper damage, not superficial dents which is all dominator did to firestorm. On the whole firestorm was BY FAR the more aggressive And controlled so should have blatantly won that fight, would have beaten pussycat and possibly hypno disc in the final, and even chaos May have struggled.
@@adrianyoungs8166 Apparently Dominator 2 got more attacks in than what was shown, except that it got left out during the editing. But even so, damage is damage whether superficial or worse, and Firestorm inflicted none of its own.
That battle between Firestorm and Dominator II wasn't even close. Firestorm dominated large parts of the battle and should have won. They sustained minimal damage too.
And Dominator 2 took no damage from Firestorm, and also got a fair amount of attacks with the axe. Apparently Dominator 2 also got more attacks in than what was shown, except that it got left out during the editing.
Wheely Big Cheese was fucking megarobbed. Why the fuck would the judges not only make the wrong decision but choose to put the boring robot through vs literally the coolest, most powerful flipper in Robot Wars history :/
9:55 ah, the reason I started hating the tornado team, not only do they turn up with a robot that doesn't do anything interesting and act like it's the second coming (pushing? Seriously? put a weapon on it m8!) but acting like they were better than WBC when WBC was actually quite spectacular and even out and out lying that they'd have feared Suicidal tendencies more (yeah, right, easier for you to push around and a tiny pickaxe that does nothing vs nearly being flown straight out of the arena in one go) because they were mates with them? Such horrible, horrible arrogance, yet this gets a bye and Ian Lewis having a slight snap rage about the state of his machine that he later backed down from is etched in fandom memories forever? Nope. Not fair at all. Also Tornado should've lost that fight, they were 100% immobilised and WBC was about 60-70% mobile even with the wheel damage, so Tornado should've gone. I wish George had been interviewed in the second round and said "I don't realllllly think Tornado should've won their last fight, and I would've feared their opponents more" :-p
I don't really see how you can infer arrogance from the Tornado team for making some critical observations, other than that you possibly have some petty grudge against them that you can't let go of after 15+ years for whatever reason that is causing you to object to everything they say and do by default without any reasonable grounds - True, WBC had a spectacular weapon but that was at a detriment to its maneuverability and overall 'robustness', it wasn't very well constructed, as the Tornado team demonstrated in the fight. So long as they could keep off the flipper (Which admittedly, they didn't manage to do very well, and were lucky to stay in the arena!), it was easy for them to push around, couldn't withstand being shunted against the wall, and posed no real threat. Also the heat final between Suicidal Tendencies and WBC was a very controversial one, and Suicidal Tendencies actually was a more robust design that was harder for a robot like Tornado to push around and could probably have withstood being rammed against the wall a lot better than WBC did. The reason why everyone remembers Ian Lewis is because the show's producers made such a big deal out of it at the time, and then we had that episode of Extreme with that build up to the grudge match against Pussycat at the end running through the entire episode - again highlighting the fact that Ian Lewis lost his temper. This pre-fight interview with the Tornado team was just a regular pre-fight interview, nothing out of the ordinary.
That's some good straw-manning you have going on there, keep spinning. Do I have to mention I was a child when this was broadcast so perhaps not quite capable of respecting a teams effort even if I disagreed with their philosophy, yet. You post like Its impossible to change my opinion in the intervening 15 years. In fact even the child me changed his mind on Tornado the very next season when they were running an actual weapon, a pretty deadly spinning disc that knocked stinger across the arena, ripped wheels of pussycat etc. Then changed it right back again when they went back to being a boring wedge. People change
cdname47 I'm not entirely convinced that you know what a strawman argument is, but that's beside the point... Pardon me for reading your words and thinking they actually reflect your current perspective and opinion on the subject you were discussing and responding accordingly xD
TORANDO SUXORs!1111!!! as I probably said at the time. Fact! Don't give me your "It's a well constructed and effective design philosophy" alternative facts. Sad!
Tornado rightfully feared ST as the more dangerous threat; they fought each other at a live event just prior to Series 4 filmed and were easily beaten. They were more difficult an opponent for Tornado then WBC. I wouldn't call it arrogance, but honesty. WBC was not very convincing in its heat, while ST rightfully should have won.
Dearie me, judges should have been fired for that one. Even on one wheel Wheely Big Cheese was the better bot. Tremendous control by Roger Plant, still aggressive, great style and you could see by the fact Tornado was smoking at the end they were causing damage. Pussycat rightly through, couldn't call the Dominator one. Overall though, one of my favourite Robot wars episodes of all time.
Wheely Big Cheese was the better robot in terms of combat, but it was still losing mobility from the damage to its wheel, whether it broke off just by driving into the wall or if Tornado did that damage directly (it's hard to tell when both impacts happened at the same time). And yes, Tornado was burning up internally, but Wheely Big Cheese was limping around before that.
I love George Francis' interviews. The commentators always ask or say stupid things and he gives the most dead pan factual answers to correct them.
Craig, stupidly: "I thought they'd be to heavy (to flip out of the arena)"
George, matter of factly: "Well they're all the same weight"
lol
haha do you might be the only robot to retain the title .. its only the fourth wars
"Chaos 2 looks a lot faster.. Must've been tunin' 'er up huh?"
Nope :^)
"Maybe you forgot you changed a little sumtin' to make it better?"
Shouldn't be. Same bot. :^)
"The flipper looks stronger"
Literally the same robot. :^)
Theres a weight limit to all the bots apart from the walkers that can be 25kg heavier. None of these are walkers 😆😆
What also gets me is how the arena looks slightly different in the semi finals to what it does in the heats.
Not only have they given it a wash but they've changed the doors and I think a few camera angles.
Series 4 is probably my favourite arena style (though i do love the slightly bigger series 6 arena too) and it's mainly due to the lighting, it's not so gloomy as previous seasons were, particularly series 3
Iirc correctly the top layer of the floor is actually just coated plywood. It was pretty shredded by the end of the heats so they obviously had to replace it.
I actually liked the grungy, dark, industrial looking arena, even as a kid.
I guess I've always been a bit metal. Lol
Thermidor 2 is so cute! They did really well against Pussycat, too bad Thermidor 2 ran out of gas I would have liked to see them win.
The semi final of second incarnation machines
Steg 2 VS Chaos 2 was a proper bout, watching 'em joust around, flip, self-right. Steg 2 was a bit sluggish but a good flipper on flipper fight!
It doesn't get better than this. I'm really surprised none of these fights made it to your top 25 (though I admit they're entirely subjective) these are just so... so good. Only Chaos 2's fights didn't need a judge's decision, and pretty much all these robots would go on to be regular Series Semi-Finalists. So much I wanna say about this, but I'm beginning to worry I'm ripping off Arcane Azmadi on the BBCRobotWars channel.
The big fight I was looking forward to, one I didn't remember, was Dominator 2 vs Firestorm. A thread on reddit was full of people saying that Firestorm didn't deserve its' victory and eh... I can kinda see that. I wouldn't call it a whitewash, but I was certainly expecting less control from FS and more damage from D2. Was it maybe a dose of producer meddling that didn't want the same semi-finalists as last wars (hence why Steg 2 didn't get the 'seeds kept apart' memo)? Or was it payback for close and dodgy decisions over Bolt From The Blue and The Morgue?
I also didn't remember Thermidor 2 vs Pussycat as well as I'd hoped, which was a shame because damn, that flipper. I always thought S4 T2 was a bit wet compared to its' Extreme variant, but simply hauling Pussycat over it's shoulder... ouch. But this was the series when weapon tech was good and the armour didn't quite match. Thank you so much for uploading this, happy memories of my childhood.
just because one person posts their insightful commentary about something somewhere dosent mean you can provide your own opinions, even if they are similar
Tom Hartley I would tend to agree with you, but Damage and Aggression score you more points over Style and Control. It was also a split decision made with a difference of one point, so that's something
Thermidor has a ferocious flipper, I can't help wondering how well it would do if they threw away those heavy 'claws' and just optimised the flipper. Pussycat is a unique robot, I can't think of any other that achieves 'self-righting' in such an ingenious way. Its weapon looks fairly ineffectual, but seems to be more effective than it looks; still not all that powerful but it's difficult to imagine what other weapon they could fit to it.
Wait, what?.. Dominator won the judges decision, do you mean that Firestorm got robbed?
In a podcast fans were saying the draws should have been different.
Chaos 2 should have been drawn against Dominator 2
also I think
Wheely Big Cheese vs Thermidor 2
Firestorm 2 vs Steg 2
Pussycat vs Tornado.
Who do you think would win then?
Unless dominator got a single hit aimed nicely in the back of chaos 2, chaos 2 should win that as they control better than firestorm so should get a few more points if it ended up going to a judges decision
WBC vs Thermidor 2 would probably be thermidor nipping round the sides and being aggressive but again a single high/well aimed flip from WBC could cause internal damage or break a wheel off
Firestorm vs steg 2 would probably go to firestorm for better driving and more aggressive wall slams. Firestorms self righting is more reliable so flips from steg 2 would have less impact
Pussycat vs tornado would be the closest and again a single awkward hit near the wheels like they did to hypnodisc later on this series could be detrimental but tornado would probably win from aggression
And finally - here's the payoff for sitting through sixteen episodes of mostly naff robots doing mostly not very much to each other. Eight serious bots and not a turkey among them.
You know this was made in the uk as the unit type of land rover is standard unit of measurement
Dunno why they didn't make it an international measure of pulling ability. Like, it's a new train, its' puling power is above 50 kilolandrovers.
NJGW what happened to Semi-Final B? did that video get taken down?
It's strange yes
@@jamesmitchell8922 Hmm Cause I've also noticed Heat's A and B from Series 5 and the entirety of Series 8 and 9 are missing too.
@@PokeGuy6 Mech+
@@jamesmitchell8922 @mortalmeteor You guys ever find it?
@@PokeGuy6 ^
bloody adverts.. right in the middle of fights
Firestorm heavily robbed
Yeah but it was lucky to even get to the semi’s after the controversy in its heat.
Nah, Bland Cassius was the lamest bot out there. Besides, they only got through because they were seeded
@@misterwishart it doesn't matter about how exciting they are, or how they got through the heat. In this battle, Firestorm was waaaay on top for the majority, and also finished strongest. They deserved to win. Your comment is like saying that the winner of the World Cup final should be decided on the matches that came before, and how exciting the football is, rather than who scores the most goals in the actual match that counts.
IMO, Razer was always the most boring bot anyway. Grab, hold, drag, bore, yawn. Yes damage was done, but it was done sooooooo slowly.
@@tomdaviesathome24 Bland Cassius shouldn't have even been there in the first place.
Rare example of how two wrongs can make a right.
They deserved to lose after that awful livery!!
What other robots did the non-Gribble from Pussycat work on? I remember seeing him in other series but I can't place him
That's Robin Hereck. He worked on and was Captain of Crankie from the latest series, (Lost to Aftershock in the first heat) and Kill-E Crank-E from the series preceding that: (The one that dragged Razer down the pit in the first battle of the first heat)
bit late i know but robin hereck also worked on body hammer in season 1 and 2
He also did the swarm at seaon 8 I think the cluster Bots but can not remember
That was ian watts from bigger brother team and orte
@@GeriatricFan1963 Kill-E Crank-E didn't drag Razer down the pit. It spun to try and avoid it, and they both fell down. There's no way the team could've known it was going to be some "mutual death pact" nonsense. And it was Razer who put Kill-E Crank-E in that predicament in the first place.
Honestly i thought Thermador and Firestorm won their respective fights, still see the judges call as wrong
Tornado and WBC battle was great!
I thought it was fantastic fight like lennox lewis against mike tyson
With the benefit of hindsight (and they were kinda arrogant even in these wars to be honest), I think Chaos II flipping Tornado clean out of the arena is probably the single most satisfying moment in Robot Wars history.
Loving this semi finals chaos 2 was amazing against stag 2 which is a shame for stag 2 because they did well I do like flipper vs flipper
Don't hate me but I thought WBC should have won against tornado they where aggressive to beginning I know WBC got damage but that was matilda but tornado was not moving near the end and was smoking but hay that's the way it goes especially since I would love to see WBC vs chaos 2 would be awesome match
It's a shame about thermador they did well against pussycat but u got to give credit for pussycat to servive those flips it's just a shame thermador run out of gas but that blade on pussycat is pretty good
Firestorm vs dominator 2 was a good fight I think firestorm should have won because of aggressive but dominator did damage them so well done to both a close match
WBC's critical damage was done by Tornado, NOT Matilda. If you look at 13:04 you can easily see that WBC's wheel broke when Tornado slammed them against the wall; Matilda was several feet away.
But I absolutely would have given the fourth fight to Firestorm. Both bots were aggressive, but Firestorm scored more attacks on Dominator than Dominator did on Firestorm, Firestorm was quicker, Dominator did them superficial damage but it didn't slow Firestorm down at all, they were going even better at the end of the fight.
@@cr10001 fair enough I just re watch it and yeah the damage to the wheel was by tornado then more damage by matilda its a hard decision
I agree Wheely big cheese should have won, tornado may have been more aggressive but we’re immobilized at least 50% by the end and Wheely Big Cheese was immobilized maybe 30% from that bad tire
@@cr10001 How do you know Tornado did that damage to Wheely Big Cheese and not the impact of the latter reversing into the wall? Both that and Tornado's impact happened at the same time. And Tornado was internally burning up, which I'd argue is more significant damage. Still, I agree with Tornado getting the win in the sense that Wheely Big Cheese was limping around before Tornado was. It's just a shame one of the former's welds was weak.
I think I heard or read that there was some additional footage left out of Dominator 2 doing more to Firestorm than what was shown. Not very well edited, since it makes Dominator 2 look less of a deserving winner. Then again, the fact the axe caused even superficial damage was also more than what Firestorm did in that area, and damage is the most important in the scoring criteria.
I would have really loved to see Dominator go through to the Grand Final and possibly win the 4th Wars. Unfortunately, once Pussycat ripped the shell off, it was basically a waddling duck.
Headbanger142 I don't think it would have won even if it went through to the Grand Final
@@forzatoby Yeah it was decent robot, but better maybe than just Thermidor here
Watching wheely big cheese v tornado was like watching two pro fighters batter each other to exhaustion, by the end of it they weere both coughing up blood.
Can someone tell me what happened to the Robot Wars Series 4 Semi Final B video ?
you ever find it?
@@dillonlongland8995 I actually have it on my computer because I downloaded it from this channel years ago and I recently found it in an old map and no I'm sadly not planning to upload it because it's very possible that the video gets copyrighted or worse a copyright strike
09:55 - Sorry, what was that Tornado team? Care to repeat?
Thermidor look like total underdog here
Tornado never should have won that decision. Matilda did the damage and control style and aggression all went to wheely big cheese
Wheely Big Cheese got 3 flips in while Tornado shoved it around the arena, especially picking up the pace in the last minute or so. Also, Tornado rammed Wheely Big Cheese into the wall and dislodged its wheel; all Matilda did before that was give WBC a little flick.
Based on the edited version of the full 5 min fight, I’d maybe give Style to WBC, but Tornado would walk away with Damage, Aggression and Control.
@@TheLegacyofHitchcock I still disagree. You see classic tornado fights and there all aggression this was all and for me but hey that's differences for you.
I agree. Tornado didn't do anything really. Besides - not that this factors into it at all but I did not like Tornado's attitude to fighting Wheely Big Cheese.
@@unapologeticallylizzy yeah same they were kinda arrogant and were saying that WBC didn’t deserve to be in the semi finals
@@enderdude5000 Yeah, that's what turned me against them. Wheely Big Cheese is ten times the robot they are.
Firestorm won that and it wasnt even close. Dominator got 2 axe hits the whole fight? what?
Full classic Robot Wars battles were 5 minutes in length, but trimmed down for TV- Dominator 2 vs Firestorm 2 had 2 minutes of air time.
Even based on what we saw, I think that it was really close. If we go by individual weapon attacks, Dominator hit Firestorm with its axe 4 times while Firestorm flipped Dominator onto its side 4 times, with a little extra flipper nudge on the wall at the very end. Firestorm finished with the upper hand, but Dominator 2 also had good periods where it had Firestorm clamped on its wedge and was pushing it around. You can see in the Pits afterwards that Graham Bone comments on there being many holes Firestorm- maybe Dominator landed more hits offscreen?
Ultimately, between 2 robots that were well matched on aggression, a bit of damage is sometimes enough to swing it.
As far as I’m concerned, Tornado should have been fighting Suicidal Tendencies. Not Wheely Big Cheese.
I agree. Suicidal Tendencies track was immobolized, and they got robbed on a judges decision. I feel so bad for them.
@@tyreesetjjoyner1995 Suicidal Tendencies wasn't robbed. The fact its track was immobilised meant they weren't properly mobile, thus the judges were right to rule against it, as they also should've done in Series 3 when the same situation occurred. Maybe Wheely Big Cheese didn't directly do that damage, but it's still fair to say that you shouldn't be out of it for any reason before your opponent. I'd understand if Suicidal Tendencies managed to fully imobilise or pit Wheely Big Cheese in spite of the mobility trouble - like how Behemoth beat Magnetar in Series 10 - but that's not what happened here.
9:27 that might be due to leverage actually, not necessarily raw power
No 1 vs No 7 when no 15 vs non-seeded wtf
38:37 JP with a good scouting report
Had Firestorm won against Dominator 2, some of the crowd would've booed.
Which has more action robot wars or battlebots
Three series 3 grand finalists in this heat - incorrect information on steg 2
Chaos 2, Steg 2, and Firestorm 2 reach the grand final in the 3rd wars
@@tyreesetjjoyner1995 Yep. As did Hypnodisc
Firestorm were robbed
no the judges are always biased to them, there has been many times they lost obviously but judges with favouritism let it go through, great robot but some unfair wins
So satisfying to see tornado flipped out of the arena. Never liked that robot.
Agreed. I also found Craig's reaction "The Tornado has blown off course!" to be hilarious!
I don't get why Jonathan calls 0,01 meters "1 millimeters".. It's 1 centimeter.
Besides, the clearence part of the sheets are so inaccurate. Chaos 2 has 1 centimeter clearence? Where lol?
At the back.
robot wars series 4 has hit the stretch run
@ 37:01 Nuff said
Wow, this episode has the lowest quality of judge's decisions in Robot Wars history.
Out of curiosity, what makes you say that?
Thermidor 2 started strongly against Pussycat, but the latter gradually got some cutting attacks in and left Thermidor limping by the end. Thermidor had plenty of aggression, but Pussycat had aggression and damage.
Tornado and Wheely Big Cheese is a similar story. Good flips from WBC, but Tornado had some good slams and brook a wheel on WBC, compromising their mobility first.
Firestorm 2 vs Dominator 2 is a famously subjective fight, especially based on the TV edit. In my eyes, Dominator 2 clinched it. Firestorm did get a load of flips in, but Dominator 2 also got underneath Firestorm and axed it a number of times. Damage + Aggression > Aggression alone.
Pussycat slammed into Dominator 2 multiple times, cut into the shell and pulled it loose from the baseplate. Dominator 2 got a few axe blows in and caused no damage.
@@TheLegacyofHitchcock damage means proper damage, not superficial dents which is all dominator did to firestorm. On the whole firestorm was BY FAR the more aggressive And controlled so should have blatantly won that fight, would have beaten pussycat and possibly hypno disc in the final, and even chaos May have struggled.
@@adrianyoungs8166 Apparently Dominator 2 got more attacks in than what was shown, except that it got left out during the editing. But even so, damage is damage whether superficial or worse, and Firestorm inflicted none of its own.
That battle between Firestorm and Dominator II wasn't even close. Firestorm dominated large parts of the battle and should have won. They sustained minimal damage too.
And Dominator 2 took no damage from Firestorm, and also got a fair amount of attacks with the axe. Apparently Dominator 2 also got more attacks in than what was shown, except that it got left out during the editing.
Wheely Big Cheese was fucking megarobbed. Why the fuck would the judges not only make the wrong decision but choose to put the boring robot through vs literally the coolest, most powerful flipper in Robot Wars history :/
lol, this is wen they learned how to remove the delay
9:55 ah, the reason I started hating the tornado team, not only do they turn up with a robot that doesn't do anything interesting and act like it's the second coming (pushing? Seriously? put a weapon on it m8!) but acting like they were better than WBC when WBC was actually quite spectacular and even out and out lying that they'd have feared Suicidal tendencies more (yeah, right, easier for you to push around and a tiny pickaxe that does nothing vs nearly being flown straight out of the arena in one go) because they were mates with them?
Such horrible, horrible arrogance, yet this gets a bye and Ian Lewis having a slight snap rage about the state of his machine that he later backed down from is etched in fandom memories forever?
Nope. Not fair at all.
Also Tornado should've lost that fight, they were 100% immobilised and WBC was about 60-70% mobile even with the wheel damage, so Tornado should've gone.
I wish George had been interviewed in the second round and said "I don't realllllly think Tornado should've won their last fight, and I would've feared their opponents more" :-p
I don't really see how you can infer arrogance from the Tornado team for making some critical observations, other than that you possibly have some petty grudge against them that you can't let go of after 15+ years for whatever reason that is causing you to object to everything they say and do by default without any reasonable grounds - True, WBC had a spectacular weapon but that was at a detriment to its maneuverability and overall 'robustness', it wasn't very well constructed, as the Tornado team demonstrated in the fight. So long as they could keep off the flipper (Which admittedly, they didn't manage to do very well, and were lucky to stay in the arena!), it was easy for them to push around, couldn't withstand being shunted against the wall, and posed no real threat. Also the heat final between Suicidal Tendencies and WBC was a very controversial one, and Suicidal Tendencies actually was a more robust design that was harder for a robot like Tornado to push around and could probably have withstood being rammed against the wall a lot better than WBC did.
The reason why everyone remembers Ian Lewis is because the show's producers made such a big deal out of it at the time, and then we had that episode of Extreme with that build up to the grudge match against Pussycat at the end running through the entire episode - again highlighting the fact that Ian Lewis lost his temper. This pre-fight interview with the Tornado team was just a regular pre-fight interview, nothing out of the ordinary.
That's some good straw-manning you have going on there, keep spinning.
Do I have to mention I was a child when this was broadcast so perhaps not quite capable of respecting a teams effort even if I disagreed with their philosophy, yet.
You post like Its impossible to change my opinion in the intervening 15 years.
In fact even the child me changed his mind on Tornado the very next season when they were running an actual weapon, a pretty deadly spinning disc that knocked stinger across the arena, ripped wheels of pussycat etc.
Then changed it right back again when they went back to being a boring wedge.
People change
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I'm not entirely convinced that you know what a strawman argument is, but that's beside the point... Pardon me for reading your words and thinking they actually reflect your current perspective and opinion on the subject you were discussing and responding accordingly xD
TORANDO SUXORs!1111!!! as I probably said at the time.
Fact!
Don't give me your "It's a well constructed and effective design philosophy" alternative facts. Sad!
Tornado rightfully feared ST as the more dangerous threat; they fought each other at a live event just prior to Series 4 filmed and were easily beaten. They were more difficult an opponent for Tornado then WBC. I wouldn't call it arrogance, but honesty. WBC was not very convincing in its heat, while ST rightfully should have won.
Piss off tornado. Like you can talk about machines that "shouldn't have won their final"
Tornado shouldn’t have won that fight
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Yet again calling steg 2 previous "semi finallists"
I mean they were in the semi final of the grand final
So two bad judges decisions in one episode
Dearie me, judges should have been fired for that one. Even on one wheel Wheely Big Cheese was the better bot. Tremendous control by Roger Plant, still aggressive, great style and you could see by the fact Tornado was smoking at the end they were causing damage. Pussycat rightly through, couldn't call the Dominator one. Overall though, one of my favourite Robot wars episodes of all time.
Wheely Big Cheese was the better robot in terms of combat, but it was still losing mobility from the damage to its wheel, whether it broke off just by driving into the wall or if Tornado did that damage directly (it's hard to tell when both impacts happened at the same time). And yes, Tornado was burning up internally, but Wheely Big Cheese was limping around before that.
Dude.. Wheelie Big Cheese 100% won that fight. Fuck Tornado getting shitty judges decisions in their favor...
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For once I agree with the judges. Firstorm lost that fight.
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