WHY did this plane DIVE just before landing? | Icelandair 315
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January 22nd, 2002
A Icelandair Boeing 757 carrying 82 passengers and crew is on final approach to Oslo, in Norway. Suddenly, the plane pitches down, and begins diving straight for the ground. Pandemonium erupts on board, as the engines roar and the passengers are lifted out of their seats. The pilots are panicking - they have no idea what is happening their aircraft. Will they be able to pull it out of its terrifying plunge before time runs out? This is the story of Icelandair flight 315.
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Final Report
www.aviation-accidents.net/re...
Icelandair Livery
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So eh, what was the cause of the failing ILS instruments on the left side of the plane???
Thankful that you covered this incident
Will do a video about the Manchester 1985 disaster in future? My friends died in that. A young couple just married were flying out for their honeymoon.
You should check out Mentour pilot you can see the original version
You speltrek Reykjavik wrong 1:00
Ladies and gentlemen we've obviously just experienced a slight problem on that first attempted approach: The ground wasn't where it was supposed to be and this plane nearly became part of it at 450 knots, we certainly hope the ground is much more predictable on the next interaction with it
Yeah, so true... Btw in 2016 in the case of Flydubai 981 the ground was also being a jerk. That time people were not so lucky though
This is ATC, please be advised; the wind is being a total weirdo and the ground is cranky, copy.
Sounds like a normal landing at TRD 😝
Thank you for flying Ryanair, last year over 90% of people on our flights endured serious injuries from flying with ryanair
The NTSB does not say an airplane crashed, it just had "controlled flight into terrain" or "unplanned intersection with terrain". Sure, the mountain just didn't dodge fast enough to avoid the airplane.
If the FO has to say "WHAT are you doing?!?" you just know the Captain messed up big-time!
In fact this aircraft was light af it’s a major reason why it didn’t end in tragedy if the load of this plane was like a normal average 757 this would’ve ended in tragedy most likely
yep - that call out literally saved everything
@@Eruma_27
If that had been anything but a 757, it would have ended in a crash.
That was when I came to the comments lol.
My grandfather was killed in Norway in the Widerøe Flight 710 in 1988. All my childhood I was afraid of flying because of that. But channels like this make me more comfortable because I get to learn the reason why similar incidents happen, and how rare they are. Rest in peace to my grandpa Jonny Eidissen and everyone else who have been killed in plane crashes ❤
Fortunately, plane travel has become safer as time marches on. Unfortunately, accidents similar to the plane your grandfather was on probably served as a lesson to make flying safer, despite the consequences. I'm sorry you lost your grandfather. May he rest in peace.
Leit å høre❤
wideroe flight ua-cam.com/video/xvshQURN2Iw/v-deo.html
I know it’s a hard fear to get over, but planes are crazy safe. My best advice after watching many, many accident videos. If you’re really that afraid, fly when the sun is up. Soooo many accidents I’ve seen couldve been prevented by daylight allowing pilots to reorient themselves
@@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr perfectly said. and during the day time, ditching in the water is way WAY safer and probability of everyone surviving is much higher so flying in the day is definitely better. as you said, most accidents and this sorta shi t happens during the night or in the early hours.
There are so many accidents where the FO seems to have known what was wrong, but didn't speak up, or do so enough. As a quiet unassertive person, this FO's "What are you doing!?" kinda choked me up a bit.😃 Good job, good video.
There's a name for this phenomenon, and it's known as an "authority gradient". The older and more powerful person in the cockpit makes mistakes (in this case an unstabilised approach) and the younger less powerful one stays silent. The cure is training to enable people to become comfortable with speaking up without negative consequences.
@@Secretlyanothername Exactly. The most extreme example of this phenomenon led to the Tenerife accident. The KLM FO pointed out to his captain, the top ranking pilot for KLM, that they didn't have takeoff clearance. The captain stopped his throttle up, but within a minute went ahead anyway. This time the FO was silent. The rest was history.
I’m a mechanic, and I have been apprenticing for a couple years under more specialized Transmission/Engine techs and never knew what this was called but experience it all the time! I’ll be trying to help them with diagnosis and sometimes my younger senses lead me to see a problem clearly. I’ve had to become more comfortable with speaking up like you said, and being confident when I say “No look this is the problem”
i hope before its too late the pilot training includes speaking up to an officer and I hope airlines include this in their regulations and frequently remind the captain and officer to be open with each other.
just one "TF are you doing yo??? lets just do another approach man" from the FO would've just worked wonders and would've prevented this from every happening
hahaha yessz
You don’t get to see many of the near-miss stories, this was great. People don’t have to die for the lesson to be there… 😅
Exactly what I loved about this one: nobody died.
@@SK-qu4wo get help
@@SK-qu4wo 😂 excuse us for hoping for the betterment of aviation, lol. If you like carnage candy I highly suggest cave diving videos though. … .. … I’m keeping carnage candy… 🤭
Well said.
Yeah I rarely watch the fatal ones because they are too depressing. This one was great. Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing.😅
i have watched this 19 times and I can verify that this is a certified green dot aviation classic
I completely agree
For context: posted 1m after upload
Bro is just too good for us lol
Uh... it has only been one video length since he uploaded this...
you watched it in 17x speed ?
how?
Just need to mention, I appreciate the just-a-little-dry writing employed in these videos. Case in point: "Leaving the cold climes of Iceland behind... for the cold climes of Norway." It's very helpful, to add touches of levity like that when talking about events like these. Thank you.
this guy is a very good writer, like he is really good at describing everything that is going on and he has the ability to narrate a story well, like for example he says "the pilot pushed the thrust lever forward and set it to take off thrust and the airplane thundered down the runway" .
I would have said, "for the colder climes of Norway." 😮
Icelandair 315 is not really covered by channels on youtube - to see someone cover this incident is quite suprising nonetheless. Great coverage!
Mentour Pilot also provides an exceptional analysis and breakdown of the investigation.
@@liberatumplox625 His one is way better it’s more detailed and I learned a lot of things in that one that was never even mentioned in this one btw
Did the investigators find out why the ILS indicators had disappeared from the captain's display? Thanks for the video, excellent as usual
Did you know that the Right ILS reciver was declared as inoperative before the flight? Greendot never mentioned this but I think it may have something to do with this not sure tho
I was wondering the same thing.
@@Eruma_27doesn’t the captain sit on the left side?
The final report does not give any conclusions on what caused to the ILS problems, but it does state that the ILS systems of the airport worked fine and did not contribute to the incident.
I was almost expecting something even wilder to happen. The ILS glideslope would get inverted and show up higher than the airplane if it veers too far forward. This is a real thing that happens (!!) which is why the ILS has to be verified with the expected altitudes and distances from the chart. This is called an inverted secondary glideslope. Even wilder - there are several of them - the first one at 6 degrees is inverted and the next one at 9 degrees behaves exactly as the normal 3 degree glideslope - just at 9 degree of descent.
Didn’t explain why the captain’s ILS display was intermittent, would be interesting to know why it wigged out.
This is why you don't intercept an ILS from above. The two sets of radio waves form lobes in a particular pattern. Too high and you could miss it. Or worse, intercept the secondary inverted lobes which could cause your autopilot to work upside down. It happened in one incident.
Yes and the other officer's one was working. Hey part of the story
If you want more detail, I would suggest watching Mentour Pilot's video on the subject.
@@liberatumplox625 Facts it’s 100x better than this one by far
Gosh youre all weird
I shall be flying with Icelandair from Heathrow to Keflavik on the 20th and back again on the 25th April, so I'm relieved that lessons have been learned. One of the more reassuring things about all these air crash investigation channels is the evidence that lessons really are learned after any major incident. By the way I always keep my seat-belt fastened precisely because of sudden episodes like this, although I'm usually thinking of clear-air turbulence.
Yes, they're a really safe airline, but clear air turbulence is something no airline can control.
Ice Air is one of the safest airlines in the world with absolutely fantastic pilot training and avionics that go above and beyond. You made a very safe choice
I just flew w/ em last month on their 757-300 and 767-300ER
No, not really. Lessons learnt are often reduced to theoretical knowledge too.
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Humans are humans. And same or similar things have happened on so many fatal and not fatal incidents.
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Even in recent years, even in the allegedly advanced western countries.. with all the monitoring equipment, collision avoidance systems..
... even TO DATE ... ATC or other ground monitoring personnel and cockpit crews routinely have the 'oops sorry' moment.
And some of them are like 18-20 seconds away from catastrophe.
Iceland air propaganda will claim its a very safe carrier, BUT THEY ARE NOT !! They don’t disclose all their lost airplanes in Greenland and people here outright refuse to fly with them !!! 😮😮
OMG what a coincidence!!! I flew in that exact plane registration TF-FIO six year later on my one and only visit to Iceland. That's surreal to think that plane nearly crashed. 😱
A somatogravic illusion is VERY powerful.
I remember once I was onboard a flight taking off from Heathrow into violent winds and turbulence, not long after lifting off the runway, the pilot suddenly increased the thrust and it felt like we were on a rollercoaster going up.
I momentarily panicked and thought we were ascending almost vertically and the pilot had lost control until I looked out the window and noticed the horizon, to which I realised we were ascending at a normal rate, but my inner ear had mistaken the extreme acceleration for a steep climb.
yep, very. its exactly what they use for flight simulators too
I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that the crew continued to their next destination (Copenhagen?) instead of grounding the plane for inspection. Another example of how breaking from routine can tend to lead to more safety lapses.
jeez, that was way too close to a crash. never heard of this incident before
In fact if the plane wasn’t very light (it was way lighter than 757s usually are) this would’ve ended in absolute tragedy more than likely
That's neat. First time I've seen you. I'm surprised at your youth. You have a beautifully seasoned voice. I'd say you have definitely found your niche. I love everything about green dot aviation. Everything.
You are steadily becoming one of the best aviation channels on youtube. Very well done ! Excellent work
His is already the best Aviation channel. ;)
THE best, Hans!
@@galaxysurfer1122 Mentour exists bro
@Eruma_27 true , but GDA is much better narration .
@@johnniethepom7545agreed
Excellent video. Unrelated to this incident and in my opinion, the Boeing 757 is the most beautiful single-aisle jet transport ever built. IcelandAir has two in their fleet with special liveries that are graphically gorgeous that can be found online. Sadly, the passenger 757s are nearing the end of their careers, many having already been retired. Cargo versions will live on a few more years. Having flown in them often, the power of those engines at takeoff is really awesome… you leap into the air much more quickly than you expect. Thanks! 👍👍👍
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I've been on a few over the last few months. One from LAX to Hawaii, and I just from ATL to RIC this morning w/Delta.
757 the, sexiest airliner ever built.
@@VaporheadATC I’m jealous!
It is a beauty. The 707 and DC-8 are also similarly proportioned, but if I may, with more added personality. My first 757 was w Northwest. I was struck by the "widebody feel," and the rocket like climb out accompanied by its classic roar.
These are some of the most well made, in depth educational videos on UA-cam in my opinion, thanks for making them.
Delighted you’re enjoying them :)
Just recently discovered your channel and it’s already my favorite aviation history channel. Thanks for all your hard work.
I remember reading years ago that how we react under extreme pressure is grnetic and those who becomf heroes, taking over a disaster abd guiding others, those who rush into thd burning building or defend others from attack make up a small pct of the human race.
Thus we get situations like this, or cops panicking and shooting the unarmed, or those who look the other way whfn someone id attacked or a car is crashed
always glad to see another one of your videos in my feed.
You have taught me the value of quick clear communication in any job.
Absolutely. The last time I was giving a rim-job if it wasn't for the clear & precise communication from the recipient I could have ended up with a wet fart in ma face!
Sounds like you are in the porn industry.
Cant relate. Wall street is more dignified.
Bye.
One wonders why a decision to go around was not taken at the earliest opportunity when it was realised that height and distance to field did not match up.
Yes, every landing is a go around with an option to land.
Brilliant video! The passengers must have felt a bit sick after being in the air-washing-machine. Love your channel so much. Hello from Australia
Thanks and hello!
From one Irishman to another good presentation, thankfully this time everyone came out a little ruffled but alive
I agree. This was wonderfully presented. The plane load of people experienced a good bit of rectal tightening but lived to tell the tale. All's well that ends well.
It is great to watch about incidents that are not talked about because they didn’t end in tragedy. Thanks
I always loved flying on the 757. I felt it was one of the best looking aircraft ever made. In the Icelandair livery, it looked even better.
I love how you videos never spoil the outcome early in the video and keep us guessing
Awesome video! Did they find out why the Captains ILS readings disappeared from his instruments?
I was thinking it was because of the plane being too far above the glide slope. That can happen. If you intercept too high, it is possible to get a false glide slope. However, that does not explain why the FO’s worked the first time and the captain lost the signal the second time when correctly established. That seems to suggest faulty equipment to me.
@@cflyin8 stop guessing and misleading others
@@TheLukaszpg I expressed an opinion based on actual knowledge and training as a pilot. I fail to see how one person’s opinion is misleading. If you disagree, then what do you think caused it? Or, find the official report and let us know. We all watch these videos to learn something.
@@cflyin8 Brilliantlty put ... twice!
@DAFT VADER Are we putting the plane into a controlled stall in this case? If so, it still feels a bit sketch at this altitude.
Thank you so much for the information you provided about how the ILS works with the graphic showing the glideslope and localizer! 👌
Apart from the first officer, the other hero was obviously the powerful 757! I wonder if any other passenger aircraft at that time would have pulled out of the dive? 🤔
I just can't imagine the absolute, total horror the passengers and flight attendants must have felt, thinking that those were their last seconds and that there was nothing they could do on their roller coaster of death. It's even worse that they didn't know what was happening, only that it was nothing good. Just imagine being closer to being vertical than being horizontal. It's a good job lessons were learnt without anyone needing to die first. Simple solutions often elude you when you're hellbent on doing something in one certain way, such as in this case taking a slightly longer route and handing control over to the co-pilot who had reliable instruments
I really really look forward to new vids on this channel. One of the best channels on UA-cam
Well, i have to say, your story telling ability is second to none. There is not one video I watched on this channel where i knew for definite how it was going to end up, on the edge of my seat waiting to hear what happens next.
Excellent work. Up to your usual standard of quality which is why I always look forward to your new posts. Cheers from Canada!
Good video you are best youtuber.
The Boeing 757 is such an awesome looking aircraft! The only plane with a more classic, sleek look, was the one which the 757 was designed to replace, the Boeing 727.
I particularly love the look of the 757 in its classic and clean sans-winglets configuration. I’ve just never been a fan of the winglet look.
Well, winglets are meant to save fuel (by approx 4%), but I get what you mean. :) But winglets or not, the B757 is probably my favorite somewhat modern aircraft, though the A330 looks good also.
It's for aerodynamics not beauty. They claim it😮s more fuel efficient.. I think it works.
@sharoncassell5273: Yes, thank you. I’m perfectly aware of what winglets are for. I was merely speaking to the matter of aesthetics. So in that regard, their purpose is not relevant.
this is my new favourite channel. Excellent work.
That's absolutely insane....... I feel really sorry for the cabin crew and passengers on that 757, it was absolute chaos, I'm pretty sure that those events put some of them off of flying for good!!!😮😢
i don't even want to imagine how the wings felt after this, going from free fall to climbing is just scary to think about
pax had to check there undies too.
Honestly, really wonderful job! Love the infographics, the plot of the story and the narration. And very cool logo! Really well done, such a pleasure watching these! ❤
I appreciate you and your team's effort in making this video. Very detailed and I like how there's a graph for us to visualize what ur trying to explain. It's good to see that your channel is blowing up.
200k soon ✨️🎉
Glad they eventually got down safely but it's odd how the Captain's ADI kept losing the indication, that certainly didn't help matters.
Thanks for posting these videos, I find them rather entertaining and interesting.
Hello Green Dot! Please could you cover the Sosoliso Airlines Flight 1145 that crashed in Nigeria Port Harcourt Airport in 2005? My brother-in-law was a school child who died in that crash. It would bring so much consolation to my family to understand what happened and why. We are still heartbroken after all these years with no answers. Your videos are phenomenal and I have watched almost all of them. Lots of love
I agree, I'm a big fan of this channel and from Port Harcourt.
This is a great video. What a horrific experience for the passengers. Especially considering they were provided no explanation afterward!
Just a little turbulence. Nothing to worry about! ;)
Damn, 300 ft between the plane and the ground? Just thinking that Usain Bolt can make 100m (just over 300ft) in 9.58 seconds... A human being can make it in that time, imagine how quickly the plane was going... Far out. Scary as all hell.
Brilliant production quality really enjoy the videos
Glad you like them!
These videos keeps getiing better and better! Great explanation with visuals. Thank you for your hard work
Yes! Finally someone did this!
love all the detail you get into, keep doing what you’re doing!
Thank you for yet another excellent, informative, well made and very balanced account. As you say.... lessons learned... 👍
Great video...you had me on the edge of my chair! Thankfully there were no casualties! Great channel, narration and detail. Thank you for uploading!
Keep up the good work, I love the content (:
Thank you! :)
I really shouldn’t be binge watching these right before my trip to Oslo
What a thriller! Your pacing and visuals made this whole episode a banger mate. Top notch!
Another excellent video. The level of knowledge and detail is incredible and delivered in a way even I can understand. It's a hair-raising story.
Glad you liked it!
holy shit that plane was also a hero for not breaking apart under the G forces from a rapid descent to an ascent
it was pretty lightweight, if it was a fully loaded and heavy aircraft, probably it wouldn't have been possible to recover
As usual ... TOP QUALITY video and comments, very very clear - THANK YOU!!!
Glad you liked it :)
yay! been waiting all day!!
Love your videos man! you have documentary level quality!
Thanks so much! Glad you like them :)
At least he didn't say "dove" but personally I could manage without Americanisms like "gotten".
Excellent video. Loved the detail and the corresponding explanations.
incredibly weird behavior by the captain and still wondering why his ILS indicators failed but thanks for the great video as always
That is stress for you.
Got to be one of the coolest intros on any channel out there. Great episode. 😎
Thank you so much for this documentary Green dot aviation!😊🛫
I just wanted to say thank you for always saying what the acronyms mean! I'm listing to this in the background and I heard you say what ILS means, and I don't think any of the other aviation channels I watch ever have. The other day I was listening to another of your videos and you said what TOGA means, and until then I hadn't realized it was an acronym and not an abbreviation or something else.
The FO's lack of response to an unstabilised approach demonstrates the authority gradient in the cockpit. I hope that this lesson was learned by the airline and industry.
Technically not Reykjavik Airport but Keflavik Airport.There is actually a Reykjavik Airport which is in the city and I have walked there from the city centre but it only flies internally in Iceland and a few international flights to the Faroe Islands and Greenland.Keflavik is way out to the west and is about 40 km from Reykjavik.
This is such a great channel Love watching these :)
Is it known what made the indicators disappear?
As far as I could tell from the report, it wasn't determined. It was strange because the aircraft didn't recognise that it had lost the signal.
@@GreenDotAviation Thanks. For me it looks like this was at least one of the factors that contributed big in the events by throwing the captain off-guard at that moment. Like just that hole in the swiss-cheese-modell to line up with the workload.
I like your video's and explaining a lot.
@@elvinhaak Yes, it was yet another contributing factor. Like most incidents or accidents , “a cascade of events” leads up to it.
What a scenario! I was having anxiety as this Captain continued to ignore and refuse to believe any aspect of their situation (that they all created). The only sensible thing said on that approach was the First Officer saying, “What are you doing?” which snapped the Captain back into reality, and handing over to FO.
Never would have thought you were so young dude! My favourite aviation channel 👌
Great video! I had never heard of this incident! Thanks a million for covering it for us!
Well, it was 22 years ago ....
Sorry, 21 years
I've got to say this is the best areoplane channel out there 😊
This was such an interesting situation; I hadn't heard of this one before. When they started receiving all those shortcuts from ATC...I could easily understand how it could become a very heavy workload for the crew, very quickly. (I'm currently going through a virtual 737 flight sim course that Mentour Pilot, along with another captain, is leading...and we recently just went over descents and landings, and it's a lot of work on a normal approach, without shortcuts being given.) That's why CRM is so so so crucial and I'm glad it's so heavily emphasized now.
Also, just wanted to say the animations in this video was fantastic, especially when you zoomed in on the instruments to clearly show what you were referring to when you were explaining things. I think that was really helpful for people.
And unrelated...curious what mic you use? Haha It sounds really good!
I am not a pilot so forgive this dumb question, but why do they give pilots shortcuts? Is this just for convinience or something else?
I've always heard that the 757 is the sports car of the sky, but hearing that this 757 pulled over 3g's... remarkable.
Excellent presentation, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video as always!
This is why we have time-outs before a procedure or surgery, and work as a team during a code Blue/Code Stroke. Anyone can speak up and correct something not right. Not just the Doctor.
I'm always amazed by the texture detail in the simulations used. You must have some beefy PC!
That's really true! Last time I used MS-FS was version 4 around 1990, there are some improvements since then ;-)
“Leaving the cold climes of Iceland behind… for the cold climes of Norway” 😅
I watched all of your videos, your channel is the best❤
Thank you ❤️ More videos coming :)
Thank you for this video.
I have known about this incident ever since it happened, but never really seen/read anything specific about it.
Best regards from Iceland 🇮🇸
-K
Wish you would post more cause your content is amazing 👌
great video! loved it
You post such great content every time. A big fan of yours from Nepal.
Thank God that the new training was not written in blood.
I am from Iceland and I have never heard of this incident before! Very good video.
757 is a great plane and I like the way you say ‘column’.
A great idea to say a closing word on camera, that on top of your outstanding talent, viewers could also get to appreciate the endearing good looks of such an exceptional genius!
Excellent video. Thank you
Thanks that we could see the person behind the voice at the end of this video.
Thank you for all your work with the videos. You are very good.
Glad you're enjoying them ❤️
Thanks.
Big fan keep up the amazing work
Thank you! ❤️
A submarine emergency crash dive is what the captain's dive reminded me of.
Top content, keep it up my guy.
Since watching your videos I've learnt so much when it comes on to airplains and their operating systems so much so that when boarding one I look if the pitot tubes are still covered lol........I THANK YOU for your educational, heart-rending, exciting videos. It as inspired me to try an become a pilot
Next time you should ask if anyone of crew had checked Pitot tubes for clearance of any wasp or spider nest inside.
The 757 is such a fantastic bird. Anyway, I love how many non-fatal incident your channel includes. I find them more interesting that many of the accidents basically every aircraft investigation channel in the world has covered.
love these vids! keep going x
The somatogravic illusion is also how flight simulators simulate acceleration.
And we can see that planes are pretty sturdy. Reminds of Tex Johnston and his barrel roll in the 707
I paraglide. If the wind blows from behind you easily miss the landing area, so the first thing you do is to fly an extra curve to loose hight, which really should have been the instinct of the experienced captain. Get-there-itis us a bad thing, makes you ignore your instincts.