@@cbuchner1 Yes, thank you for letting me know. There have been one or two channels stealing our content, and I'm currently going through the UA-cam process of having the content taken down 👍Appreciate you bringing this to my attention.
Our company used to joke that if there's an employee they dont like, send him on a business trip with Adam Air. Maybe we won't see him again. It's not funny in retrospect but that's how bad their reputation is.
@@ADHDSophia Aeroflot is very safe nowadays. They have bad reputation because of their history but Aeroflot has one of the youngest fleets in the world and is one of the best companies in Europe.
As someone who fly simulator a lot. The urge to turn off warning is there. What make it baffles me is that both pilot did not hear the auto pilot turn off sound. That sound is so distinct that no one should ignore.
Apparently, following the accident, the flight recorders were not initially recovered because of a dispute between Adam Air and the Indonesian government over who should pay recovery costs.
@@nakajimakuro As a simmer yea the urge is there, but as a real pilot, you are trianed to deal with the alarm, to identify the issue before turning the alarm off, no real-life pilot in their right mind would dismiss an alamr without assessing the situation first.
I remember this tragic incident well. I hesitate to call it an accident because it was the result of criminal negligence. From the shoddy maintenance to the untrained pilots who never should have been in the pilot seats, this was a needless and shameful cause of the deaths of more than one hundred people. Your work is excellent, and I always look forward to your next video. Cheers from Canada.
I was a licensed inspector and diesel mechanic in my 20s and early 30s, I worked for 2 trucking companies. I inspected trailers mainly, trailers are very dangerous especially if not maintenanced properly, I absolutely would never pass a trailer that I didn't thoroughly inspect cause I knew if I overlooked something or let something slide it could get someone killed or badly injured and there's no way in hell I was going to have that on my conscience and I could be charged criminally and rightfully so. People that would put people's lives in danger by not doing their jobs properly and laziness must not have a conscience or care for others.
@@EJ-74 I do auto collision repair and hold the belief that heavy equipment maintenance is equivocal to the shopping cart theory. I see EBT cards and multiple childrens' carseats in wrecked vehicles with less than a mil of brake pad and bald tires. It takes a psychopath to willfully endanger others but only legit subhumans do that to their own children.
Even without training, I struggle to comprehend how the pilots could be so illogical. Ignoring bank angle warnings, not checking their location; these are obvious signs of negligence.
Its a weakness of human psychology. When you focus too much on one specific task, you can become almost literally blind to all other concerns, including things that should otherwise be glaringly obvious. This is one of the things CRM training is supposed to overcome. by delegating duties between two pilots, one can focus on a task whilst the other is free to work on the other issues affecting the flight. This isn't the only crash caused by a pilot ignoring an alarm or warning whilst fixated on an unrelated problem, not by a long shot. Eastern Airlines flight 401 and United Airlines flight 173 spring to mind
CRM, Task fixation and an "I'm in charge" mentality. Probably the way the airline treated captains/first officer relationships. Logic doesn't enter into an unusual situation that you have not been trained for. Checklists, workload sharing and "flying" the aircraft do. This lack of "flying" and fixating on a task is the cause of many accidents. It's no reflection on logic, it's entirely a reflection on incompetence and lack of thought to CRM. Both of these factors caused by the airline itself and its culture. The pilots were in no way competent to handle that aircraft outside of "normal" flying conditions. Through no lack of their own doing.
@@PassiveSmoking we see the "brain 1 and 2" of Nobel prize Daniel Kahneman at play here indeed. If you get too focused, you don't see other obvious signs in the meantime. It's the classic experiment the Gorilla and the basket ball you can find on youtube. And there is also the opposite at play later : instead of analyzing swiftly but logically once the alarm "overspeed" is on, you just rely on your instinct and in that environment, it 's worse
I lost a dear friend in this accident. He was newly wed, and in this flight with his wife and his wife’s family, flying back to manado after their wedding in Surabaya. I remember I was in Singapore when another friend broke the news to me and told me to check the news,only to foond out the heart-breaking news. Every new year I take a moment to remember him, and our times back in the days when we used to hang out/joke around/play music instruments together. He’s greatly missed. 😢 RIP, R, my dear friend.
@@StoneCoolds I think this comment belonged in a different section of this thread. This was more about the loss of a dear friend and less about the reason why. Just seems a little insensitive to put it under this specific comment. Just some random dude's opinion.
@@bmang42 I think you are right, most likely I miss click the comment since my reply makes no sense with the original post, I'm gonna delete it because it doesn't really belongs here
@@easy_eight2810 OP was giving their aesthetic impressions of the video not asking why the seats were empty. Imagine somebody expressing their pleasure at the textures in a painting and someone responds well it's just the way oil paint naturally piles up on itself.
I'm halfway through this but GOOD GOD it is so frustrating to see that they OBTAINED information that could solve their locating issue but then just IGNORED IT AND PRESSED ON.
@@JaidenJimenez86sometimes negligence like this shouldn't be called negligent at all but straight up unintentional murder. They knew what shit they are doing and still do it.
@@JaidenJimenez86reminds me of swiss cheese. They got many layers of it and aligned all the holes with each small issue untill they had one big hole which they flew through and died.
Even as a civilian, with no flying experience, my first thought was to match both systems against the Control Tower's position and tune into the beacon......very strange that they missed this.
They not only missed this, they missed the opportunity to simply navigate by ground-based beacons, thereby negating the need for IRS. They also missed the opportunity to simply say 'we can't trust this system' and get vectors from ATC instead. They had so many options available but explored none.
Exactly. And also as someone who's never flown a plane but seen enough similar videos to know that a pilot can't always tell when a plane is banking I was astounded that the pilot never looked at his instruments at the first bank angle warning. He could have seen that they were in fact turning long before it became too late and corrected it.
It blows me away, after watching about 15 of these videos, that air travel is so incident free and honeslty treated like no big deal. The amounts of prep and stuff that all has to function at 100%...unreal
Important to note also is that there's a lot of things that don't actually have to work but are focused on in order to keep the flight safe. As many backups as possible to keep flying safe.
Swiss cheese model. Lots of times crashes happens because the circumstances all coincide perfectly. One failsafe after another fails to activate and you just so happen to have a poorly trained crew complete with an airline run by idiots who have no idea how aviation works.
This accident reminds me of something my dad, a pilot, would tell me, "Fly the **** plane!" By focusing on things that didn't require immediate attention, the pilots didn't see more major issues until it was too late. Their lack of training meant that they didn't know how to recover from the more serious situation they found themselves in.
I've been flying all my life but this accident always scared the hell out of me. I've heard the full cockpit voice recording of the pilots screaming and praying for almost a full minute and worse after you hear the plane breaking up is horrifying, then trying to imagine the sheer terror the those poor passengers were going through I don't even have words for it.
I’m currently going through my private pilot license training, only about a month in. It has already been hardwired into my brain that in a dive like that, you must always level the wings before attempting to pull up. I understand that the pilots must’ve been in a state of panic and possibly shock, but with as many hours as the captain had it’s surprising. Truly a sad story
I don't consider panic or emotional attitude any sort of mitigating factor in commercial aviation accidents. You're an airline captain, and as such must keep a level head - it's probably the most basic cornerstone of good airmanship. Even if your life is in danger, you need to remain objective and logical, if you can't do that, you have no business being on the flight deck.
@@JaidenJimenez86 Especially when your life is in danger IMO, but also, this crew wasn't the sharpest, and that's what really bit them. By the time any panic set in the best possible outcome was already pretty bad due to many missed cues. They made so little use of resources at their disposal that it's tempting to imagine that had this particular crash not occurred, there would have been a different one or at least some incidental flight with this crew at some later point in time.
They embarked on the voyage of bad decisions even before they were panicked and worn out. Let's call spade a spade! They were plain incompetent and reckless. I can't wrap my head around how the captain managed to snag that many hours with such poor decision making skill and cavalier attitude. I know pilots too perished but I am having hard time sympathizing with them.
I follow quite a few aviation safety-related channels and I would like to commend you as one of the best. You do a very good job of explaining what happened and why.
This is one sad crash. It also revealed a part of the Indonesian aviation market so severely messed up that Indonesian carriers were banned from the european airspace. EDIT: This ban is however lifted now.
@IMR I think you're on the wrong thread here. Also, do you know the stats you're even referencing? Don't talk out of your lane unless you really know precisely what you're talking about.
I heard the conversation between the pilot via the voice recorder through another channel. The final minutes was so incredibly sad. The pilots literally went from joking to ease the tension, confused, to panicked praying in just few minutes. The way they prayed in terror when they knew the plane is breaking apart is just indescribable. 💔
Because they are brown… White pilots would be much less likely to make these mistakes. White people are more likely to pay attention to detail. White pilots are safer pilots.
Had to come back to say this was the saddest one I’ve heard. Something about the panic in their voices at the final moments and how avoidable this was. Thanks again for the upload.
One of the most disturbing things about these accidents is that the owners and operators of these airlines almost never face either civil or criminal penalties, even when their mishandling of operations is easily provable. Sadly, safety still takes a backseat to profit in many places.
Where does it not? The reason so many airlines have better safety standards is only because of laws that both exist and are enforced. It's the governments' jobs to protect us from greedy companies. They are the only people in a position to do so.
@@GreenDotAviation Technically, that is not consistent quality. But in a good way of course :-D I was pleasantly surprised to see another upload so soon after another. After initially bingeing through all your videos, waiting for the next one has been painful at times ;-)
18:58 That thump made me physically recoil in horror. The notion that someone could overstress the airframe as much as was done there, to the point that the HSTAB shears off, is pure nightmare fuel.
Im complete with u on that, Everytime I read,see or hear about this disaster when It gets to that point many times it makes me do just like u said, especially since there's many air disasters where a "Thump" is immediately followed by disaster like on Alaska 261, I almost always visualize the result that follows like the Safety Bolt finally giving way on Alaska 261 or the Horizontal Stabilizer in this disaster
This is the first time I’ve seen you on camera! It’s always nice to know what the narrator looks like. Cheers to you, man. Thanks for the awesome videos.
Every time I watch your videos I can’t help but imagine what it’d be like to actually be in one of these airplanes just plummeting to the ground. Worst way to go. Thanks for the great channel 👏🏼
I think rotting away in a nursing home wearing nappies, and dying a long, slow death requiring morphine, medazolam and buscopan is a worse death than dying quickly in a place crash.
Excellent video as always. As an Indonesian, I like the way you pronounced the names of pilots and cities, not many Westerners could do that perfectly as you always did. Excellent, just excellent.
Once again, I'm amazed by the gripping nature of such a simple video! A credit to the content and quality of your narration. I may never fly again after finding this channel! You should be very proud of it.
Some commenters seem to be assuming the pilot's incompetence was due to a lack of mental capability or negligence, so clarification is needed: the pilots were incompetent due to the shoddy moral compass of the airline owner, who didn't provide them with the required training.
No. Most likely he paid for a fake certificate, and/or was related to a manager or investor in the company. SE Asia is not a meritocracy. Employees aren't trained, maintenance isn't done, and when a disaster results, a low level employee is blamed and cast out, and the company goes back to bribing inspectors.
Technically they didn't, as flying an airplane requires knowing how to handle certain situations that are known to be possible, and the airline didn't train the pilots for that.
I've watched so many different accident channels like this, and yours by far are my favorite. Not sure why, just your own voice (not a robot or words only), great technical insight and descriptions, etc. I've watched every video you have now hah. Good job man. Unbelievable how this crash happened, even a student pilot would know how to pull out of that dive safely. Such ineptness at that airline. When I fly, I never just rely on 1 navigation aid. Even with GPS, I'm constantly using VORs to cross check, dead reckoning with charts, another GPS source like foreflight+receiver, or other methods such as even ADF.
@@GreenDotAviation Agreed. Although, either they couldn't read the QRH, or they had some horrible copy, that mentioned - hold it straight and level! How can the captain say, no don't correct it, as it goes into a steep banking dive. He has a gyro based (non IRS) attitude indicator right next to him, the standby instrument. Just amazing. Good luck on your pilot certificate! What are you flying in?
Could you add the flight info to the video descriptions? Nothing in depth, just something like: Green Airlines GA72 July 1, 1990. It’s really helpful to get an idea of the state of technology during the time of the incident. Thanks, these are great videos!
Before this crash: Adam Air pilots began to voice their safety concerns, saying that the airline deliberately and repeatedly breached international safety regulations. They listed some of the breaches as being the following: Asking pilots to sign documents saying a plane was safe to fly when it was not Swapping parts out of planes to avoid mandatory replacement deadlines. Being ordered to fly even though they had reached the daily maximum of five flights per day. Using parts taken off other aircraft for repairs They ignored the pilot's requests to abort takeoffs when there was an issue with the aircraft. You couldn't make it up.
This channel has become something special. I’ve watched it just get better and better.. Quality research with authoritative narration combined with a fascinating and often tragic subject matter makes for gripping viewing. Superb. 👍
Only found your channel a matter of weeks ago, but I've watched every one with intrigue, disbelief an sheer terror at some of the incidents. You have an amazing channel here, and your style of work is incredibly good and informative . Huge thanks and already looking forward to the next video...
That old, deadly respect of heirarchy meant no one was flying the plane. I’m no aviator. I just see this theme repeated in so many crash videos. 13,000 hours, all on sunny calm days….in a golf cart.
Come to think of it, it’s sad how many times a junior member of the crew correctly identifies the problem and tries to fix it, only to get snapped at by their seniors to stop. This kind of behavior is unfortunately common in Asian countries though. We’re taught from an early age to respect our elders. If you try to question the status quo you’re labeled disrespectful and disobedient.
The absolute terror of this is simply unthinkable. A genuinely shocking story, at least most major aircraft incidents show some fundamental underlying error causing something to go wrong and then at least some competency showing the pilots following a designated procedure. This is just flagrant disregard for any rules and procedure at several levels. Maddening. God rest the souls on board this flight.
What was so sad was that they had ways to figure out which unit was giving them erroneous readings before it became a major issue but they were never trained to handle it or given the general knowledge that would have helped them figure it out. They could have tuned a couple of VOR/DMEs and checked the intersecting points of the two circles, switching everything over to the correct IRS but no one ever showed them such basic navigation techniques.
I love this Channel! He speaks so well and gives so much detail. I didn’t know I had such a fascination with this kind of stuff! RIP to all the lives lost!
In 2008 an Adam Air plane skidded off the runway and no evacuation slides were deployed as the flight attendants weren’t trained on how to use the slides: to my understanding the passengers were evacuated via ladders. Adam Air: worst airline ever to exist?
@@JaidenJimenez86 I think it's "arm doors" and "disarm doors." Arming doors moves a catch mechanism in the door to grab on to the door frame so when the door is opened the slide is dragged out of its housing (the big bulge in the lower portion of the door), tumbles out of the airplane (but remains hooked to the door frame) and inflates. When "disarmed" the door opens without dragging out the slide.
Been a subscriber since you were in the thousands of subs, you have been making better and better videos every time and dedication on the animation is amazing. Keep up the good work!
Some people I know (friends) went on contract to Garuda Indonesia early and late 90s from EI Airlines, wow the stories the had about maintenance and practices from that particular airline still remains with me. Literally Wing and a Prayer stuff..
I could listen to you for hours. I do have a weird fascination with air disaster stories, but I would also probably watch your videos if you were talking about math. Or golf. Great video again. ❤️ from 🇨🇦.
I don't think that's an issue here - reliance on instruments would mean they would be fine with navigating by VOR. The issue seems to be their over-reliance on computer navigation, and lack of task prioritization and CRM.
This video only briefly touches on the complete and utter corruption and incompetence that was AdamAir, an airline named after the founder's son, whom she put in charge in a blatant act of nepotism. The finances were questionable at best, the work culture was utterly toxic and even after the accident happened the airline refused any responsibility, even trying to squirm out of paying for the salvage operation to retrieve the wreckage of the aircraft and find its flight recorders. Adamair was an accident waiting to happen, it was pretty much inevitable that the story of this airline was going to end with a mass casualty event.
Seriously Adam Air takes the cake when it comes to airline greed. They dragged their feet and refused to cough up the money, wasting valuable time for the authorities to do the investigation.
I just found ur channel in my news feed, and watched ur video. It was perfectly made, and u explained the tragedy so well! It's a sad and horrific event, and I do hope that the innocent souls are resting in peace...🙏✈️💔😢 U made a subscriber out of me, THANK U!!!🤗💖👏🙃🙋♀️ R.I.P ADAM AIR 574....✈️🙏💔😢
Isn't that how the world works? If you speak up against your country you are deemed as an anti-national. If you speak out against your own family, you are again looked down upon. Basically you are not allowed to speak bad things about the system that you are a part of. If the pilot had told the ATC, it would have brought bad reputation to Adam Air.
Fantastic production. Well done. I especially love the LS Sky Chefs van. A suggestion for another video… the Air Algerie flight from Burkina Faso to Algeria that crashed in the Sahara over Mali. I believe the aircraft was a McDonnell Douglas. There are no decent videos about it online .
Excellent video as always. I'm impressed with the sheer amount of effort you put into these (the correct plane, knowledge of a vast number of airframes, recreation in the simulator). You also explain it very well.
This accident is so absolutely horrifying. The last few seconds of the voice recorder are bone-chilling and deeply sad as you hear the plane break apart around the pilots, who are desperately praying. I can only imagine the sheer terror the passengers were going through. May they all rest in peace.
That was heartbreaking and frustrating at the same time :( . Anyways great video as usual! I have a flight in 10 days, watching your videos doesn't make me feel scared of flying, They say ignorance is bliss but I'd rather be well informed by watching ur videos :D
Great channel this, just a shame there's not more vids to binge, but I understand they must take time to make. You've got a good voice for the narration too, keep them coming!!!
Excellent presentation, as always! Love the face reveal: now I can put a face to the lovely voice! Now to return to waiting for a new video-the only drawback to having previously binge-watched all of your content!
at first when you posted about corruption airlines, i got an idea that it could be one of story from my country, and it turned out right. this case had been well known for years, tragically sad that even in modern days, our country's airlines still have this unsolved problems. corruption is indeed dangerous for every human being, and it will always be the big matters. anyway, thanks for covering this case!
Yeah, I also really appreciate that the channel addresses corruption in this video (and others as well). Before finding this channel I naively thought every airline with a license to fly commercially was safe for its passengers and others. Knowing better now will affect my decisions purchasing airline tickets.
The combination of them not tuning into the VOR/DME beacon 125m to confirm position and the captain telling the FO not to touch the controls without even looking once at his attitude indicator is just crazy to me. Such a sad story that could’ve possibly been prevented
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Did this UA-cam channel copy your flight simulator footage? It looks awfully similar. ua-cam.com/video/vgQ85P8V10g/v-deo.html
@@cbuchner1 Yes, thank you for letting me know. There have been one or two channels stealing our content, and I'm currently going through the UA-cam process of having the content taken down 👍Appreciate you bringing this to my attention.
@@sailaab Thank you!
Our company used to joke that if there's an employee they dont like, send him on a business trip with Adam Air. Maybe we won't see him again. It's not funny in retrospect but that's how bad their reputation is.
Or lion air 😂
Always been Aeroflot for me.
@@ADHDSophia Aeroflot is very safe nowadays. They have bad reputation because of their history but Aeroflot has one of the youngest fleets in the world and is one of the best companies in Europe.
@yungsh0ttalex592 well given that the soviet Union never reported plane crashes they where remarkably safe
@@nonamefound68 is that sarcasm???
The way they casually switched off that alarm makes me wonder how many alarms they must have switched off in the past just like that.
As someone who fly simulator a lot. The urge to turn off warning is there. What make it baffles me is that both pilot did not hear the auto pilot turn off sound. That sound is so distinct that no one should ignore.
Apparently, following the accident, the flight recorders were not initially recovered because of a dispute between Adam Air and the Indonesian government over who should pay recovery costs.
@@nakajimakuro As a simmer yea the urge is there, but as a real pilot, you are trianed to deal with the alarm, to identify the issue before turning the alarm off, no real-life pilot in their right mind would dismiss an alamr without assessing the situation first.
@@Incidental104 alamr
Excellent point!
I remember this tragic incident well. I hesitate to call it an accident because it was the result of criminal negligence. From the shoddy maintenance to the untrained pilots who never should have been in the pilot seats, this was a needless and shameful cause of the deaths of more than one hundred people. Your work is excellent, and I always look forward to your next video. Cheers from Canada.
Yes, and they are also why Indonesian airlines are blocked from EU airspace for a whole decade.
I was a licensed inspector and diesel mechanic in my 20s and early 30s, I worked for 2 trucking companies. I inspected trailers mainly, trailers are very dangerous especially if not maintenanced properly, I absolutely would never pass a trailer that I didn't thoroughly inspect cause I knew if I overlooked something or let something slide it could get someone killed or badly injured and there's no way in hell I was going to have that on my conscience and I could be charged criminally and rightfully so. People that would put people's lives in danger by not doing their jobs properly and laziness must not have a conscience or care for others.
This captain was extremely incompetent
@@EJ-74 I do auto collision repair and hold the belief that heavy equipment maintenance is equivocal to the shopping cart theory. I see EBT cards and multiple childrens' carseats in wrecked vehicles with less than a mil of brake pad and bald tires. It takes a psychopath to willfully endanger others but only legit subhumans do that to their own children.
Thanks so much for the kind words ❤️ Agreed, this was criminal all the way up to the top of the airline. Very sad.
Even without training, I struggle to comprehend how the pilots could be so illogical. Ignoring bank angle warnings, not checking their location; these are obvious signs of negligence.
Its a weakness of human psychology. When you focus too much on one specific task, you can become almost literally blind to all other concerns, including things that should otherwise be glaringly obvious. This is one of the things CRM training is supposed to overcome. by delegating duties between two pilots, one can focus on a task whilst the other is free to work on the other issues affecting the flight.
This isn't the only crash caused by a pilot ignoring an alarm or warning whilst fixated on an unrelated problem, not by a long shot. Eastern Airlines flight 401 and United Airlines flight 173 spring to mind
Absolutely correct 👍
CRM, Task fixation and an "I'm in charge" mentality.
Probably the way the airline treated captains/first officer relationships.
Logic doesn't enter into an unusual situation that you have not been trained for. Checklists, workload sharing and "flying" the aircraft do.
This lack of "flying" and fixating on a task is the cause of many accidents.
It's no reflection on logic, it's entirely a reflection on incompetence and lack of thought to CRM.
Both of these factors caused by the airline itself and its culture.
The pilots were in no way competent to handle that aircraft outside of "normal" flying conditions.
Through no lack of their own doing.
@@PassiveSmoking we see the "brain 1 and 2" of Nobel prize Daniel Kahneman at play here indeed. If you get too focused, you don't see other obvious signs in the meantime. It's the classic experiment the Gorilla and the basket ball you can find on youtube. And there is also the opposite at play later : instead of analyzing swiftly but logically
once the alarm "overspeed" is on, you just rely on your instinct and in that environment, it 's worse
not only bad training but bad hiring of pilots not fit
I lost a dear friend in this accident. He was newly wed, and in this flight with his wife and his wife’s family, flying back to manado after their wedding in Surabaya. I remember I was in Singapore when another friend broke the news to me and told me to check the news,only to foond out the heart-breaking news. Every new year I take a moment to remember him, and our times back in the days when we used to hang out/joke around/play music instruments together. He’s greatly missed. 😢 RIP, R, my dear friend.
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@@StoneCoolds I think this comment belonged in a different section of this thread. This was more about the loss of a dear friend and less about the reason why. Just seems a little insensitive to put it under this specific comment. Just some random dude's opinion.
@@bmang42 I think you are right, most likely I miss click the comment since my reply makes no sense with the original post, I'm gonna delete it because it doesn't really belongs here
So very sorry! ❤😢
I always find the empty seats in the animation eerie, as you know all those people have perished. It's like they're ghosts.
It's just part of the flight sim
@@easy_eight2810 yes but it can still feel eerie.
@@easy_eight2810 OP was giving their aesthetic impressions of the video not asking why the seats were empty. Imagine somebody expressing their pleasure at the textures in a painting and someone responds well it's just the way oil paint naturally piles up on itself.
@@deantothlmao 😂
Yes 💔
Love how fluid the animation of the analog panel gauges are.
I do as well.
Greendot liking the comment lile they has anything to do with it LOL
Give proper credit....
@@shibarmyburnz1978what app does green dot use for these videos??
I'm halfway through this but GOOD GOD it is so frustrating to see that they OBTAINED information that could solve their locating issue but then just IGNORED IT AND PRESSED ON.
Then continued to make one mistake after another, after another, after another...
Yeah 😔 same here
It’s called “saving face”. Big problem for men and even bigger for Asian men.
@@JaidenJimenez86sometimes negligence like this shouldn't be called negligent at all but straight up unintentional murder. They knew what shit they are doing and still do it.
@@JaidenJimenez86reminds me of swiss cheese. They got many layers of it and aligned all the holes with each small issue untill they had one big hole which they flew through and died.
Even as a civilian, with no flying experience, my first thought was to match both systems against the Control Tower's position and tune into the beacon......very strange that they missed this.
They not only missed this, they missed the opportunity to simply navigate by ground-based beacons, thereby negating the need for IRS. They also missed the opportunity to simply say 'we can't trust this system' and get vectors from ATC instead. They had so many options available but explored none.
Exactly. And also as someone who's never flown a plane but seen enough similar videos to know that a pilot can't always tell when a plane is banking I was astounded that the pilot never looked at his instruments at the first bank angle warning. He could have seen that they were in fact turning long before it became too late and corrected it.
Exactly what I thought that was madness what they did
Dumb and dumber
Yeah I thought that exactly
It blows me away, after watching about 15 of these videos, that air travel is so incident free and honeslty treated like no big deal. The amounts of prep and stuff that all has to function at 100%...unreal
Important to note also is that there's a lot of things that don't actually have to work but are focused on in order to keep the flight safe. As many backups as possible to keep flying safe.
Swiss cheese model. Lots of times crashes happens because the circumstances all coincide perfectly. One failsafe after another fails to activate and you just so happen to have a poorly trained crew complete with an airline run by idiots who have no idea how aviation works.
This accident reminds me of something my dad, a pilot, would tell me, "Fly the **** plane!" By focusing on things that didn't require immediate attention, the pilots didn't see more major issues until it was too late. Their lack of training meant that they didn't know how to recover from the more serious situation they found themselves in.
what my dad liked to say is 'Everyone is trying to kill you'! I've now added, 'so, don't do it to yourself' to complete the thought.
I've been flying all my life but this accident always scared the hell out of me. I've heard the full cockpit voice recording of the pilots screaming and praying for almost a full minute and worse after you hear the plane breaking up is horrifying, then trying to imagine the sheer terror the those poor passengers were going through I don't even have words for it.
I got the fear of flying and only by listening to the voice recording had me terrified. Can’t imagine what they all went through.
Yep. No aircraft for me. Between crashing and the TSA, I want nothing to do with flying…
@@dennisyoung4631 and yet, flying is still millions if times more safe than driving a car...
@@dennisyoung4631 cmon dude be logical..
@@aeromotive2 PTSD isn’t logical, but it must be respected. No airports for me.
I’m currently going through my private pilot license training, only about a month in. It has already been hardwired into my brain that in a dive like that, you must always level the wings before attempting to pull up. I understand that the pilots must’ve been in a state of panic and possibly shock, but with as many hours as the captain had it’s surprising. Truly a sad story
I fly a hang glider and I know this rule. Can't stop shaking my head over this pilot's multiple bad decisions.
I don't consider panic or emotional attitude any sort of mitigating factor in commercial aviation accidents. You're an airline captain, and as such must keep a level head - it's probably the most basic cornerstone of good airmanship. Even if your life is in danger, you need to remain objective and logical, if you can't do that, you have no business being on the flight deck.
@@JaidenJimenez86 Especially when your life is in danger IMO, but also, this crew wasn't the sharpest, and that's what really bit them. By the time any panic set in the best possible outcome was already pretty bad due to many missed cues. They made so little use of resources at their disposal that it's tempting to imagine that had this particular crash not occurred, there would have been a different one or at least some incidental flight with this crew at some later point in time.
They embarked on the voyage of bad decisions even before they were panicked and worn out. Let's call spade a spade! They were plain incompetent and reckless. I can't wrap my head around how the captain managed to snag that many hours with such poor decision making skill and cavalier attitude. I know pilots too perished but I am having hard time sympathizing with them.
Nothing related to the crash but hopefully you did make it through your license !
I follow quite a few aviation safety-related channels and I would like to commend you as one of the best. You do a very good job of explaining what happened and why.
Much appreciated! We put a lot of work into these so I'm glad you find them interesting :)
@@GreenDotAviation I've mentioned y'all elsewhere as a source of good content.👍
Could you recommend some others?
@@peachblossom9179Mentour Pilot is one of the best to watch.
@@peachblossom9179Mentour Pilot and 74 gear are 2 good ones
This is one sad crash. It also revealed a part of the Indonesian aviation market so severely messed up that Indonesian carriers were banned from the european airspace.
EDIT: This ban is however lifted now.
Another reason for those of us blessed to be born in and to live in the USA to be infinitely thankful for it!
We got unbanned in 2018 if I'm not mistaken. An information you left out.
@@MarkJoseph81 Yes the USA's aviation is excellent! But I see people died more often by guns. Just saying.
@@IMR95 lol , tenang saudaraku.
@IMR I think you're on the wrong thread here. Also, do you know the stats you're even referencing? Don't talk out of your lane unless you really know precisely what you're talking about.
I heard the conversation between the pilot via the voice recorder through another channel. The final minutes was so incredibly sad. The pilots literally went from joking to ease the tension, confused, to panicked praying in just few minutes. The way they prayed in terror when they knew the plane is breaking apart is just indescribable. 💔
Share channel name please
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4 replies to this comment yet I only see 1. Idk if the answer is there. Can you share it? (Again?)
The Pilot was so under qualified
With 13 thousand hours in the the air. Really scary
*Were
Because they are brown…
White pilots would be much less likely to make these mistakes. White people are more likely to pay attention to detail. White pilots are safer pilots.
It's not the thing you're fixated on that gets you. It's the OTHER thing that does, while you're distracted. That especially applies to driving
100%
Had to come back to say this was the saddest one I’ve heard. Something about the panic in their voices at the final moments and how avoidable this was. Thanks again for the upload.
One of the most disturbing things about these accidents is that the owners and operators of these airlines almost never face either civil or criminal penalties, even when their mishandling of operations is easily provable. Sadly, safety still takes a backseat to profit in many places.
Where does it not? The reason so many airlines have better safety standards is only because of laws that both exist and are enforced. It's the governments' jobs to protect us from greedy companies. They are the only people in a position to do so.
Like Boeing rn
@@koharumi1 or like people who spread false stories they picked up from unethical news media.
Love the consistent quality of this channel.
Thanks, we're always trying to make each one better than the last
@@GreenDotAviation Technically, that is not consistent quality. But in a good way of course :-D I was pleasantly surprised to see another upload so soon after another. After initially bingeing through all your videos, waiting for the next one has been painful at times ;-)
Lolo mo love
True
18:58 That thump made me physically recoil in horror.
The notion that someone could overstress the airframe as much as was done there, to the point that the HSTAB shears off, is pure nightmare fuel.
Im complete with u on that, Everytime I read,see or hear about this disaster when It gets to that point many times it makes me do just like u said, especially since there's many air disasters where a "Thump" is immediately followed by disaster like on Alaska 261, I almost always visualize the result that follows like the Safety Bolt finally giving way on Alaska 261 or the Horizontal Stabilizer in this disaster
This is the first time I’ve seen you on camera! It’s always nice to know what the narrator looks like. Cheers to you, man. Thanks for the awesome videos.
Yeah, I thought that was a nice touch as well. I imagine it will help create a connection with the audience.
That was a nice surprise for sure!
Every time I watch your videos I can’t help but imagine what it’d be like to actually be in one of these airplanes just plummeting to the ground. Worst way to go. Thanks for the great channel 👏🏼
Omg, I can't even imagine...
Bank Angle! Bank Angle!
I think rotting away in a nursing home wearing nappies, and dying a long, slow death requiring morphine, medazolam and buscopan is a worse death than dying quickly in a place crash.
I've been binge watching these videos since discovering your channel last week. Great job on all the videos. Cheers!
Much appreciated 🙏
Excellent video as always. As an Indonesian, I like the way you pronounced the names of pilots and cities, not many Westerners could do that perfectly as you always did. Excellent, just excellent.
Best aircraft investigation channel on youtube by a good margin, others don't come close. Keep em coming
Much appreciated!
Can always count on Green Dot Aviation excellent videos, thanks to your crew!
Thank you
Such a shameful case of negligence and incompetence resulting in loss of life... terrible.
Once again, I'm amazed by the gripping nature of such a simple video! A credit to the content and quality of your narration. I may never fly again after finding this channel! You should be very proud of it.
It's very safe most of the time! But thanks :)
This blatant degree of incompetence gives me the creeps. Unsuspecting passengers, victims of a shoddy moral compass.
Some commenters seem to be assuming the pilot's incompetence was due to a lack of mental capability or negligence, so clarification is needed: the pilots were incompetent due to the shoddy moral compass of the airline owner, who didn't provide them with the required training.
This whole story made me think “did this guy even know how to fly a plane?”
No. Most likely he paid for a fake certificate, and/or was related to a manager or investor in the company. SE Asia is not a meritocracy.
Employees aren't trained, maintenance isn't done, and when a disaster results, a low level employee is blamed and cast out, and the company goes back to bribing inspectors.
Technically they didn't, as flying an airplane requires knowing how to handle certain situations that are known to be possible, and the airline didn't train the pilots for that.
I'm addicted to your shows you present them so well . If I close my eyes and visualize that almost seems like I'm there
Why you would want to be there is another question 🙋
Thanks for the nice words ❤️
I've watched so many different accident channels like this, and yours by far are my favorite. Not sure why, just your own voice (not a robot or words only), great technical insight and descriptions, etc. I've watched every video you have now hah. Good job man.
Unbelievable how this crash happened, even a student pilot would know how to pull out of that dive safely. Such ineptness at that airline. When I fly, I never just rely on 1 navigation aid. Even with GPS, I'm constantly using VORs to cross check, dead reckoning with charts, another GPS source like foreflight+receiver, or other methods such as even ADF.
Many thanks for the kind words 🙏 I think the big weakness here was in CRM, though it is shocking how poorly the dive was dealt with...
@@GreenDotAviation Are u a pilot?
@@TalaR04 I'm training to be one, yep!
@@GreenDotAviation Agreed. Although, either they couldn't read the QRH, or they had some horrible copy, that mentioned - hold it straight and level! How can the captain say, no don't correct it, as it goes into a steep banking dive. He has a gyro based (non IRS) attitude indicator right next to him, the standby instrument. Just amazing.
Good luck on your pilot certificate! What are you flying in?
Apakah kamu bisa melawan takdir jika memang uda ajal utk mati
Could you add the flight info to the video descriptions? Nothing in depth, just something like: Green Airlines GA72 July 1, 1990.
It’s really helpful to get an idea of the state of technology during the time of the incident. Thanks, these are great videos!
Great suggestion, thank you!
Before this crash:
Adam Air pilots began to voice their safety concerns, saying that the airline deliberately and repeatedly breached international safety regulations. They listed some of the breaches as being the following:
Asking pilots to sign documents saying a plane was safe to fly when it was not
Swapping parts out of planes to avoid mandatory replacement deadlines.
Being ordered to fly even though they had reached the daily maximum of five flights per day.
Using parts taken off other aircraft for repairs
They ignored the pilot's requests to abort takeoffs when there was an issue with the aircraft.
You couldn't make it up.
Maskapai Adam Air memang bobrok
great content as always man your one of the best up and comers in the aviation accident genre. respect
Much appreciated! 🙏
This channel has become something special. I’ve watched it just get better and better.. Quality research with authoritative narration combined with a fascinating and often tragic subject matter makes for gripping viewing. Superb. 👍
Thanks so much, it's a team effort ✈️
Only found your channel a matter of weeks ago, but I've watched every one with intrigue, disbelief an sheer terror at some of the incidents.
You have an amazing channel here, and your style of work is incredibly good and informative .
Huge thanks and already looking forward to the next video...
Agreed
That old, deadly respect of heirarchy meant no one was flying the plane. I’m no aviator. I just see this theme repeated in so many crash videos.
13,000 hours, all on sunny calm days….in a golf cart.
Come to think of it, it’s sad how many times a junior member of the crew correctly identifies the problem and tries to fix it, only to get snapped at by their seniors to stop.
This kind of behavior is unfortunately common in Asian countries though. We’re taught from an early age to respect our elders. If you try to question the status quo you’re labeled disrespectful and disobedient.
The absolute terror of this is simply unthinkable. A genuinely shocking story, at least most major aircraft incidents show some fundamental underlying error causing something to go wrong and then at least some competency showing the pilots following a designated procedure. This is just flagrant disregard for any rules and procedure at several levels. Maddening. God rest the souls on board this flight.
What was so sad was that they had ways to figure out which unit was giving them erroneous readings before it became a major issue but they were never trained to handle it or given the general knowledge that would have helped them figure it out.
They could have tuned a couple of VOR/DMEs and checked the intersecting points of the two circles, switching everything over to the correct IRS but no one ever showed them such basic navigation techniques.
So awesome how the plane looks beat up and tired on the outside. Everything is so detailed, I love it!
I've seen some look worse in real life !
I love this Channel! He speaks so well and gives so much detail. I didn’t know I had such a fascination with this kind of stuff! RIP to all the lives lost!
Brilliant coverage of this very sad crash.
Thanks!
I have now binge watched every video you have up! Outstanding work!!
I was waiting to see the video on Saturday, but it came out Sunday early morning at 04:00 UK time.
Keep up the good work 😊
Thanks for waiting 🙏
@@GreenDotAviation 👍
In 2008 an Adam Air plane skidded off the runway and no evacuation slides were deployed as the flight attendants weren’t trained on how to use the slides: to my understanding the passengers were evacuated via ladders.
Adam Air: worst airline ever to exist?
In Indonesia? Yes, and they are the principal reason why Indonesia is blocked from EU airspace for a whole decade.
What? How? I thought the whole idea was that as soon as the doors open, the slides deploy automatically? Hence, 'doors to auto', 'doors to manual'...?
@@JaidenJimenez86 The doors can be disarmed so ground crews can open them from the outside. Looks like the flight attendants forgot to arm the doors.
in my book lufthansa is the worst - because they steal money and dont deliver the flight you pay for. They also have suicide pilots.
@@JaidenJimenez86 I think it's "arm doors" and "disarm doors." Arming doors moves a catch mechanism in the door to grab on to the door frame so when the door is opened the slide is dragged out of its housing (the big bulge in the lower portion of the door), tumbles out of the airplane (but remains hooked to the door frame) and inflates. When "disarmed" the door opens without dragging out the slide.
Been a subscriber since you were in the thousands of subs, you have been making better and better videos every time and dedication on the animation is amazing. Keep up the good work!
Good to see the face behind the mike, a face that deserves to be shown.
Congratulations on a great presentation.
Wow, this is really sad. Great video as always, you really deserve more subscribers!
Glad you found it interesting, and thanks :)
6:20 “but this being AdamAir, things weren’t so simple” IM DEADDDD😂😂😂😂
Good video as always, but at 20:01 I literally said "wow" aloud! That transition was SO cool! 😂
I've listened to the CVR multiple times now and it will forever send chills down my very spine
My favorite channel. Thank you for another great upload.
Glad you liked it 🙏
0:04 what is mr krabs doin in the cockpit
Bank angle
Wat
😂
that's the overspeed sound, something that's not funny, especially given the context of what happened to this flight.
Some people I know (friends) went on contract to Garuda Indonesia early and late 90s from EI Airlines, wow the stories the had about maintenance and practices from that particular airline still remains with me. Literally Wing and a Prayer stuff..
Excellently produced video. Your narration puts we viewers right into the middle of the story.
22:12 bro got a face-
I could listen to you for hours. I do have a weird fascination with air disaster stories, but I would also probably watch your videos if you were talking about math. Or golf. Great video again. ❤️ from 🇨🇦.
Absolutely horrific. Thank you for creating, uploading and sharing. Great channel!!
Thank you kindly, more on the way 😄
@@GreenDotAviation You're welcome! Looking forward to more great videos!!
I'm shocked by the attention to detail, your contribution to aviation safety cannot be overstated
Love your voice and videos Petter! You make it where the common person can understand the airliner. Appreciated 💕 sad mess here. RIP to victims
Er, wrong one...
The quality of these videos are amazing!
Glad you like them!
the pilots got so used to fly on instruments that they became helpless when gears stopped working
I don't think that's an issue here - reliance on instruments would mean they would be fine with navigating by VOR. The issue seems to be their over-reliance on computer navigation, and lack of task prioritization and CRM.
You do an awesome job with this channel! Thank you so much! 💜
Thank you! More videos coming ✈️
Undoubtedly one of my most favorite channel on UA-cam.
Excellent video man and a nice personal touch at the end.
Glad you liked it!
This video only briefly touches on the complete and utter corruption and incompetence that was AdamAir, an airline named after the founder's son, whom she put in charge in a blatant act of nepotism. The finances were questionable at best, the work culture was utterly toxic and even after the accident happened the airline refused any responsibility, even trying to squirm out of paying for the salvage operation to retrieve the wreckage of the aircraft and find its flight recorders.
Adamair was an accident waiting to happen, it was pretty much inevitable that the story of this airline was going to end with a mass casualty event.
Would be a good additional to the video ay
Sloppy to not include it
Seriously Adam Air takes the cake when it comes to airline greed. They dragged their feet and refused to cough up the money, wasting valuable time for the authorities to do the investigation.
Was waiting long enough to hear from you again , keep it up your and your team good work
Another great video thanks for posting great content I always look forward to your videos! :)
Glad you like them!
green dot did it again!
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I absolutely love your narration. You are funny. This is by far my favorite.
Excellent work as always
Thank you so much 😀
I love this channel. The pacing of it is perfect. Also that lovely Irish accent is so listenable.
🤍💙👌🏽
Very well presented and produced!
Loved it!👍🏼
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Excellent videos. Keep them coming. Very professional and educational. Congratulations!
So much love on this channel
I just found ur channel in my news feed, and watched ur video. It was perfectly made, and u explained the tragedy so well! It's a sad and horrific event, and I do hope that the innocent souls are resting in peace...🙏✈️💔😢
U made a subscriber out of me, THANK U!!!🤗💖👏🙃🙋♀️
R.I.P ADAM AIR 574....✈️🙏💔😢
Why would the pilots hide the problem from ATC !?!
Adam Air had a shoddy reputation of grounding pilots for speaking out, so might got smth to do w that
They are used to doing it, it has become second nature.
Isn't that how the world works? If you speak up against your country you are deemed as an anti-national. If you speak out against your own family, you are again looked down upon. Basically you are not allowed to speak bad things about the system that you are a part of. If the pilot had told the ATC, it would have brought bad reputation to Adam Air.
You remind me of the wonderful Gripper Sim with that beautiful accent and very informed reconstructions. That's a new sub for me!
Fantastic production. Well done. I especially love the LS Sky Chefs van.
A suggestion for another video… the Air Algerie flight from Burkina Faso to Algeria that crashed in the Sahara over Mali. I believe the aircraft was a McDonnell Douglas. There are no decent videos about it online .
Thanks, I'll have a look at this one :)
I didnt even know this genre of video could entertain me so much and as a result I've literally binge watched your whole channel.
Been waiting for this!
Excellent video as always. I'm impressed with the sheer amount of effort you put into these (the correct plane, knowledge of a vast number of airframes, recreation in the simulator). You also explain it very well.
Great presentation, thank you.
This accident is so absolutely horrifying. The last few seconds of the voice recorder are bone-chilling and deeply sad as you hear the plane break apart around the pilots, who are desperately praying. I can only imagine the sheer terror the passengers were going through. May they all rest in peace.
That was heartbreaking and frustrating at the same time :( . Anyways great video as usual! I have a flight in 10 days, watching your videos doesn't make me feel scared of flying, They say ignorance is bliss but I'd rather be well informed by watching ur videos :D
Fantastic explanations and graphics. You do well.
Great channel this, just a shame there's not more vids to binge, but I understand they must take time to make. You've got a good voice for the narration too, keep them coming!!!
Thanks very much! More videos on the way, we're working on making more frequent uploads over the next few months ✈️
@@GreenDotAviation You're very welcome pal, look forward to the future videos!!
@GreenDotAviation thank you for your uploads.
Glad you're enjoying them! 🙏
Great episode 👍
Excellent presentation, as always! Love the face reveal: now I can put a face to the lovely voice!
Now to return to waiting for a new video-the only drawback to having previously binge-watched all of your content!
Awesome channel and video thaks!
I’ve seen many aviation story channels and green dot is by far the best one. Im shocked it doesnt have more subs to be honest
at first when you posted about corruption airlines, i got an idea that it could be one of story from my country, and it turned out right. this case had been well known for years, tragically sad that even in modern days, our country's airlines still have this unsolved problems. corruption is indeed dangerous for every human being, and it will always be the big matters. anyway, thanks for covering this case!
Yeah, I also really appreciate that the channel addresses corruption in this video (and others as well). Before finding this channel I naively thought every airline with a license to fly commercially was safe for its passengers and others. Knowing better now will affect my decisions purchasing airline tickets.
Just in time for bedtime stories. But seriously I'll watch tomorrow 👍
The combination of them not tuning into the VOR/DME beacon 125m to confirm position and the captain telling the FO not to touch the controls without even looking once at his attitude indicator is just crazy to me. Such a sad story that could’ve possibly been prevented