Not many videos like this. Thank you for contributing. You could've created a 3d model by taking pictures of the motherboard from many angles and used a program to reconstruct the model.
Was interested in the desoldering part, since there's a lot of info about how you should not try to solder the heat pipes as they can burst. Most info on the net implies they can burst either at 150C or after 200C which seems vague as hell. There's even a video of a dude on youtube that desoldered an old heat pipe without bursting it and not bothering to check the temperatures, however there are different pipes too. In your case you have thicker ones, while I'm struggling with my HP elitebook that has 2 times thinner pipes and I still can't steel my balls to try desoldering it. Thanks for the awesome video mate.
just managed to desolder the heatpipes of my thinkpad by heating it up at 350 degrees at max air speed using my hot air gun. while heating it up i put light pressure on the heatsink and heatspreader until they fell off. i think the people who made their heat pipes burst used tools that gave out absurdly high heat like a propane torch for example. i couldn't get the heat pipes to expand even a tiny bit using my hot air gun. not saying you shouldn't be afraid of them bursting but i'm giving my experience in case you wanna try it.
Just heat up slowly and take your time :) if it takes 20 minutes that's totally fine. It is a good idea to use a heating plate (e.g. cooking plate) for even heat distribution and assist with a hot air gun
@@TechModLab sorry buddy that I don't know your name, but I have an unrelated question: based on the latest posts in Reddit by Tom at XMG, it seems we are going to be stuck with Ryzen 3000 series for this laptop (which is a shame imo). However, considering your awesome electronic and computer skills, have you thought about a BIOS custom modification that would enable Ryzen 5000 series CPUs on this motherboard? Maybe using other manufacturers' B450 BIOSs readily available as a reference?
Hi! I got a rebrand of this laptop. And Crucial Ballistix 3200 caught my eye in local store. Looks like the video about these sticks won't be released, so could you at least just tell is it possible to get them running in our laptop? And is there any profit at all? I don't know why, but this RAM is cheaper than Kingston HyperX or Corsair Vengeance, even though their timings are worse in stock. And basically there are no other options, in the whole country we have only three ddr4-sodimm ram's - Kingston, Corsair and Crucial. Also I'd like to thank you for your work on telling people about customization of this notebook! Your channel is one of the major sources of information about it.
Unfortunately I couldn't get my hands on another pair of Crucial Ballistix. It's quite expensive for me to test them, because I need to buy them. If you know someone who could borrow me his Crucial Ballistix I would be glad :) In fact I prepared some data for part 3 of the memory tuning series, but did not finish any script yet. It will take probably some extra months until a new part is released, because I got a lot to do in my job atm. I heard mixed things about Crucial Ballistix and the achieved timings. Some say you can achieve 3200CL16 (but with loose secondary timings) and some say 3200CL18 crashes already. I guess it's about binning, too. After some extended tests I can definitely say that DualRank sticks are way faster than SingleRank sticks, especially when the timings are loose. But the performance advantage of dualRank gets smaller when the timings get tighter. For example in Cyberpunk 2077: 3200CL22 SingleRank: 68.3 FPS 3200CL22 DualRank: 80.1 FPS (+17%) 3200CL17 SingleRank: 82.4 FPS (+20%) 3200CL17 DualRank: 83.9 FPS (+22%) It's a bit shocking to see that 3200CL22 SingleRank users loose a lot of performance compared to simply buying DualRank sticks. But please note that Cyberpunk is an extreme example and is very memory sensitive. Other title's performance differences aren't as hefty. If you ask me I really like the performance of the Corsair Vengeance sticks and their tuning potential. But make sure to buy the highest clockspeed ones you can find. I tuned 2666MHz sticks to 3600MHz sucessfully. But for me the performance sweetspot of them is at 3200MHz according to my tests.
This video is two years old but if you plan to do further modifications like "doubling" the cooling performance then My solution should suffice...get two of the same model coolers and pancake them on top of each other, you'll be adding an aditional 20mm of thickness which your 3D printer can help you design the proper back panel.
Did you continue to use thermal pads or replaced them with a thermal paste such as k5 pro? Thermal pads in high-performance laptops are an absolute no-go! The contact pressure of the cooler on the cpu and gpu is worse and the heat dissipation to the cooler is significantly worse. With the thermal paste you also have the advantage that the thickness automatically adapts to the circumstances.
Depends on their softness. Too much counter pressure is bad, you are right. In this laptop this is very much the case with the GPU's VRAM. Even the soft original pads got too much counter pressure.
@@TechModLab From my own experience I can say that the k5pro thermal paste is very good and dissipates the heat better than thermal pads. I have owned an Asus GL702ZC laptop for a few years. This was the world's first laptop with an AMD Ryzen AM4 motherboard with B350 chipset and Radeon RX 580 GPU. When I cleaned the cooling system for the first time and dismantled the heatsink, I noticed that Asus applied a viscous blue paste to the voltage converters and the VRAM. I thought like other users that the thermal pads melted from the heat. However, Asus, like some other manufacturers, puts thermal paste on these components in their laptops instead of thermal pads. Anyway, I replaced this paste with thermal pads (I measured the thickness beforehand). But then the problems started. My performance was, despite mod BIOS and faster RAM (3200MHz instead of 2400MHz) optimized sub timings, sometimes significantly below the performance of other GL702ZC laptops. Sometimes I always had micro stutters, although the GPU and CPU temperatures were at 80°. I was able to eliminate the micro stutters with a 0.3mm copper spacer between the GPU and the cooler. Nevertheless, the performance was sometimes poor in games and benchmarks. I recently removed the thermal pads and replaced them with the K5pro paste. I also removed the copper spacer between it and the GPU. Now all problems are gone. No micro stutters, no more throttling. My Ryzen 7 1700 is now just as fast as a desktop PC in the CB23! In general, the laptop runs great. Maybe you could try this, too.
bro i have lenovo laptop 2 yr old have 8gb ram , 250gb ssd , integrated graphics card running linux, i dont play games in it and i clean it every month but then also it get heat and battery drain quickly , and it take much time to boot up even it has ssd only any sol
you can find it at professional suppliers like digikey, mouser, RS and such. Look out for solder paste with bi57 inside (bismuth 57%) which is essential for it being low melt temperature (around 140°C). A common combination is Sn42/Bi57/Ag1. Another alternative is the low temperature version of the Adafruit Maker Paste. This stuff is basically the same.
Can you please make some experience to increase Battery life. I brought this laptop from factory, Battery life is not great. I saw some component that can deliver 100w usb type c to charging port for this laptop . Also found a powerbank that can be use to deliver 100w by usb type c. Can you please do some experiment for that.
You are fucking genius. May I ask you a favour please? Do you have photo where I can see the route of wire antenna? I need to replace the WiFi antenna because I broke the connector
wow this is a great video, the idea to use 3d printed press dies to bend sheet copper is genius
Not many videos like this. Thank you for contributing.
You could've created a 3d model by taking pictures of the motherboard from many angles and used a program to reconstruct the model.
Hats off for all your effort! I'm sure it will be rewarding in the end. What a ride this became :D And as always... Great video&content!
I shunt modded my 2080 max q and ended taking 5th place in firestrike out of every other laptop with a 2080 max q
Was interested in the desoldering part, since there's a lot of info about how you should not try to solder the heat pipes as they can burst. Most info on the net implies they can burst either at 150C or after 200C which seems vague as hell. There's even a video of a dude on youtube that desoldered an old heat pipe without bursting it and not bothering to check the temperatures, however there are different pipes too. In your case you have thicker ones, while I'm struggling with my HP elitebook that has 2 times thinner pipes and I still can't steel my balls to try desoldering it. Thanks for the awesome video mate.
just managed to desolder the heatpipes of my thinkpad by heating it up at 350 degrees at max air speed using my hot air gun. while heating it up i put light pressure on the heatsink and heatspreader until they fell off. i think the people who made their heat pipes burst used tools that gave out absurdly high heat like a propane torch for example. i couldn't get the heat pipes to expand even a tiny bit using my hot air gun. not saying you shouldn't be afraid of them bursting but i'm giving my experience in case you wanna try it.
Just heat up slowly and take your time :) if it takes 20 minutes that's totally fine. It is a good idea to use a heating plate (e.g. cooking plate) for even heat distribution and assist with a hot air gun
Gave my like before watching the video, as I'm sure it will be awesome!
See?! I knew it! Genius!!
haha thanks man :)
@@TechModLab sorry buddy that I don't know your name, but I have an unrelated question: based on the latest posts in Reddit by Tom at XMG, it seems we are going to be stuck with Ryzen 3000 series for this laptop (which is a shame imo). However, considering your awesome electronic and computer skills, have you thought about a BIOS custom modification that would enable Ryzen 5000 series CPUs on this motherboard? Maybe using other manufacturers' B450 BIOSs readily available as a reference?
Very cool concept. Thank you for sharing with us.
Hi!
I got a rebrand of this laptop. And Crucial Ballistix 3200 caught my eye in local store. Looks like the video about these sticks won't be released, so could you at least just tell is it possible to get them running in our laptop?
And is there any profit at all? I don't know why, but this RAM is cheaper than Kingston HyperX or Corsair Vengeance, even though their timings are worse in stock. And basically there are no other options, in the whole country we have only three ddr4-sodimm ram's - Kingston, Corsair and Crucial.
Also I'd like to thank you for your work on telling people about customization of this notebook! Your channel is one of the major sources of information about it.
I have those sticks. I haven’t been able to get them dialed in like I’ve wanted
Unfortunately I couldn't get my hands on another pair of Crucial Ballistix. It's quite expensive for me to test them, because I need to buy them. If you know someone who could borrow me his Crucial Ballistix I would be glad :) In fact I prepared some data for part 3 of the memory tuning series, but did not finish any script yet. It will take probably some extra months until a new part is released, because I got a lot to do in my job atm.
I heard mixed things about Crucial Ballistix and the achieved timings. Some say you can achieve 3200CL16 (but with loose secondary timings) and some say 3200CL18 crashes already. I guess it's about binning, too.
After some extended tests I can definitely say that DualRank sticks are way faster than SingleRank sticks, especially when the timings are loose. But the performance advantage of dualRank gets smaller when the timings get tighter. For example in Cyberpunk 2077:
3200CL22 SingleRank: 68.3 FPS
3200CL22 DualRank: 80.1 FPS (+17%)
3200CL17 SingleRank: 82.4 FPS (+20%)
3200CL17 DualRank: 83.9 FPS (+22%)
It's a bit shocking to see that 3200CL22 SingleRank users loose a lot of performance compared to simply buying DualRank sticks.
But please note that Cyberpunk is an extreme example and is very memory sensitive. Other title's performance differences aren't as hefty.
If you ask me I really like the performance of the Corsair Vengeance sticks and their tuning potential. But make sure to buy the highest clockspeed ones you can find. I tuned 2666MHz sticks to 3600MHz sucessfully. But for me the performance sweetspot of them is at 3200MHz according to my tests.
what are the best timings you found?
@@TechModLab I’ll have to go through my photos from last year and see but as soon as I’m off work I’ll post the best I’ve been able to get
@@TechModLab how do u overclock ram on a laptop ?
This video is two years old but if you plan to do further modifications like "doubling" the cooling performance then My solution should suffice...get two of the same model coolers and pancake them on top of each other, you'll be adding an aditional 20mm of thickness which your 3D printer can help you design the proper back panel.
Black panel? Replacing the back panel for laptop?
Quickest way to disasemble heatpipes and coldplate is to set on glass plate top kitchen stove on high.
Very well done video
Did you continue to use thermal pads or replaced them with a thermal paste such as k5 pro? Thermal pads in high-performance laptops are an absolute no-go! The contact pressure of the cooler on the cpu and gpu is worse and the heat dissipation to the cooler is significantly worse. With the thermal paste you also have the advantage that the thickness automatically adapts to the circumstances.
Depends on their softness. Too much counter pressure is bad, you are right. In this laptop this is very much the case with the GPU's VRAM. Even the soft original pads got too much counter pressure.
@@TechModLab From my own experience I can say that the k5pro thermal paste is very good and dissipates the heat better than thermal pads. I have owned an Asus GL702ZC laptop for a few years. This was the world's first laptop with an AMD Ryzen AM4 motherboard with B350 chipset and Radeon RX 580 GPU. When I cleaned the cooling system for the first time and dismantled the heatsink, I noticed that Asus applied a viscous blue paste to the voltage converters and the VRAM. I thought like other users that the thermal pads melted from the heat. However, Asus, like some other manufacturers, puts thermal paste on these components in their laptops instead of thermal pads. Anyway, I replaced this paste with thermal pads (I measured the thickness beforehand). But then the problems started. My performance was, despite mod BIOS and faster RAM (3200MHz instead of 2400MHz) optimized sub timings, sometimes significantly below the performance of other GL702ZC laptops. Sometimes I always had micro stutters, although the GPU and CPU temperatures were at 80°. I was able to eliminate the micro stutters with a 0.3mm copper spacer between the GPU and the cooler. Nevertheless, the performance was sometimes poor in games and benchmarks. I recently removed the thermal pads and replaced them with the K5pro paste. I also removed the copper spacer between it and the GPU. Now all problems are gone. No micro stutters, no more throttling. My Ryzen 7 1700 is now just as fast as a desktop PC in the CB23! In general, the laptop runs great. Maybe you could try this, too.
This video is very cool you earned a sub
is that a desktop ryzen chip in a laptop? thats freakin awesome
Yes :) Full AM4 socket in there. The older B450 chipset model lacks nnewer AGESAs though. Hope that will change
I want this heat sink for mine! How much would you charge me for this? I’ll pay!!!
I loooove this video.
bro, can u teach me how to design heatsink for Rog Strix g531GD, this is so amazing
so cool!
facinating
bro i have lenovo laptop 2 yr old have 8gb ram , 250gb ssd , integrated graphics card running linux,
i dont play games in it and i clean it every month but then also it get heat and battery drain quickly , and it take much time to boot up even it has ssd only any sol
That look awsome !!!
very nice
mad scientist !
Awesome!
buddy can you guide me in soldering a peltier module to my laptop copper plates please i am immersed
in this cooling please help me
Peltier elements usually have ceramic plates on both sides, so you can't solder them onto metal. Glue would be an option
hei bro. can i use/add wire copper for my heatsink? considering the material is the same as copper pipes right
if you got the same heatsink, then yes. It is made out of copper only.
@@TechModLab for sticking it is good to use thermal double tape or thermal glue brother? cos i dont have solder
Hi, I want to do that mod on my hp omen 15 dc series, but I cant find the shunt resistors, can you help me do it?
Sure. Please join the XMG & Friends Discord server and send me a DM: discord.gg/n7W2paff
My name in discord is coreZair_3DAndStuff
where can i get low temperature solder from? I cant find any.
you can find it at professional suppliers like digikey, mouser, RS and such. Look out for solder paste with bi57 inside (bismuth 57%) which is essential for it being low melt temperature (around 140°C). A common combination is Sn42/Bi57/Ag1.
Another alternative is the low temperature version of the Adafruit Maker Paste. This stuff is basically the same.
@@TechModLab thank you.
what laptop is that?
XMG APEX E20 (b450 chipset). I got the successor, the APEX MAX E22 as well
Can you please make some experience to increase Battery life. I brought this laptop from factory, Battery life is not great. I saw some component that can deliver 100w usb type c to charging port for this laptop . Also found a powerbank that can be use to deliver 100w by usb type c. Can you please do some experiment for that.
You are fucking genius. May I ask you a favour please? Do you have photo where I can see the route of wire antenna? I need to replace the WiFi antenna because I broke the connector
Man you're champ