Overwatch 2: You're Playing Zenyatta WRONG! - Git Gud Guide
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
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Zenyatta is the most oppresive support, but you need to actualize discord orb uptime and avoid counter picks and plays to actualize him!
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Timestamps
00:00 Intro
01:50 Zenyatta is a Tank Buster
04:40 Avoiding Snipers
07:35 Improve Positioning
10:04 Taking Active Positioning
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I'm 10 so
Seems like you should make a guide for every map for each character and just go over proper positioning for each map for that specific character. The videos might get long considering how many maps there are, but would make for a great series and really highlight where you should be playing.
You make it
@@Dr.Mango24 oooohhh you sure got him good, you’re a hyper intelligent alpha male! Lmao
@@dakromis I mean I dont blame him for the response. This guys asking for over 500 videos lmao
888 videos to be precise. cant take THAT long right?
I wouldn't be mad about good positioning for certain maps for general support/dps/tanks/teams
I love zen so much right now. The pressure you put and the space you make with discord alone. Getting off picks, poking and pressuring snipers. The only problem is that a lot of people don’t know how to play with a zen, despite zen working with almost every comp. Only time I want to switch is if my DPS just can’t slow down to let orb heal before reinitiating and keep dying. It’s always first priority as a support to keep teammates alive and if harmony isn’t cutting it with the way your dps play whether they’re too aggressive or they’re just bad, I usually go bap because he’s equally insane
I don't think Bap is better at healing DPS at all (maybe with regenerative burst but that's a very long CD). I mean maybe if you are playing rush and have a reaper/mei next to a Rein/Ramattra, but otherwise Zen is way better at keep up DPS at any range. I think the issue here is that you aren't orbing dps in aggressive positions BEFORE they take a ton of damage. A 200 HP target with 30 hps is pretty damn hard to kill, a 50 HP target with 30 hps is burstable.
@@GriFFonRec4 I meant just playing a safer character in general with more defensive abilities can in turn get more damage from your team by keeping your dps up better. Discord is great but if your teammates keep dying for whatever reason, what value is it getting? So go bap, get lamp, burst and aoe heals, while still basically being a dps
I miss the 6v6 days when a tank dps and support could split the team better for flanking, etc.
Healing is cool and all but no need to heal your teammates when the enemies are dead. If my teammates are dying too much and I'm Zen, then that means it's time to flank and win the game myself.
It's a pain in the butt when you as Zen are trying to heal your teammates who are all over the place, and before you even manage to heal someone to 100% hp, Tracer dies in the enemy backline, and the other dps is getting out of LoS and spamming 'I need healing'. In this scenario I just prefer to play Kiriko so I can just teleport to a target. Zen is enjoyable to play though when your team knows how to position themselves and not run into enemy team and die.
True to his character, Zen is a great teacher. Positioning is key and it's never more obvious than when you are playing Zen.
I watched Awkward's recent Zen Unranked to GM run, and it has taught me SO MUCH.
I would recommend anyone who wants to follow up on this Zen guide to watch that, at least a couple of matches.
second this great series
Awkward is as good as Forgiving or ML7 at teaching. It's wild how much better my Tracer has become since his vid. Ramatra too.
damage damage damage damage damage
@@abbysoverwatch and the crazy thing is he’s right 😂
@@joshsansom1971 it’s not that crazy it’s what zen is built around it’s the purpose of his character lol
As a zen player I don't like all this attention. Spotlight=nerf
Well 9 months later and they gave him a buff technically and is the best support
Loving these more in depth analysis guides with great visual examples! This is everything I want out of an OW video, keep 'em coming!
another thing that i forget even in gm games is focus on always having your harmony and discord on someone. even if its not getting any value right away its better than having it on no one
Been maining zen in plat this season. That positioning part will help me a lot, especially on parisio I hadn’t even though to set up there
Glad to see some of the new maps. As a casual, it is hard to know where to stand sometimes. Look forward to your next vid.
Always ALWAYS discord before you ult, preferably the tank as you said in the vid. Thats the difference between a free fight win and a possible loss
I used to watch these videos when I was bronze, now gm and I still watch them
New to Zenyatta. This video helped a lot. Thank you and I wish you well.
Although much of this guide was over my head as a new Zen player, i found a ton of value as well. Thank you
Aye a Zen guide!! Nice to see a video mainly about my boy and my best support ever. Bro can clap if you know how to utilize him and for sure is one of the best support rn.
great timing on this guide the git gud series is goated
The not over relying on alt fire is the best price of Zen advise I've ever had. Literally just played the best 2 games with zen of my life after watching this.
Idk who taught me this but i have held true to it and it has served me well
Left click- If the enemy is in you field of view, always use this ( exceptions are waiting for a zarya bubble or sigma succ to run out )
Right click - Use while you dont see the enemy, charge up around corner and then peak for massive burst dmg ( melee cancels volley without having to fire it )
I just did ur position recommendations with zen and it work. On paraiso defense the enemy team is having a hard time dealing with me @_@ thanks for this guide!
Thanks, this guide helped me climb from gm 3 (console) to bronze 5
This video instantly helped my zen stat. Love it!
Update: I hit GM for the first time by abusing the technique mentioned in this videoz
Started maining Zen couple weeks ago I love it
I really only use 5 orb for super up close enemies that are about to pounce on me. I love releasing it and kicking. Super satisfying.
I’ve been using those charged shots wrong. Thanks for the advice
Thanks so much, your videos are the best!
was about to send in some of my clips, since i am a zen main and kinda hard stuck in high plat. THX
Just started playing Zen. I learned to always, always have the orbs going at all times. This is both of them. This is what I do. No need to orb your tank. Most have a way to sustain. Keep it on your suqissiest dps. But always be ready to heal your tank and others. I keep my discord orb on an enemy at ALL times. I ran a whole lobby once. Had most kills, died only once, and healed the most. And always play off angles.
Oh and a very underrated move by Zen is his Snap kick. Especially if someone is getting too close. His kick will also kick ppl off maps.
Discord enemy tank and dont die. GG
I find that Zen's main weakness is really just having a bad team. Like teammates who gets baited into playing in tight spaces where Zen is the most vulnerable or teammates that are just being out-played and Zen can't keep up with the heals; or worse yet, tanks that I like to call "punching bags" like Roadhog, Wreckling Ball and Dva where their main form of "tanking" is eating it to the face and Zen can't keep up with that kind of damage. This is even more so a problem when your other support seems to want to be a dps Ana/Lucio/Moira and leave all the healing to you.
That said, I agree, Zen's positioning is much more important to him than it is to most other supports due to having to keep line of sight on his targets and him lacking any kind of movement/survivability skill but that equally puts him in an awkward position when the enemy team have flankers and being out in the middle of no where alone is just a death sentence (unless you can out-fight the flanker).
Thx, it has helped me
How to play zen:
"Tank that i see, Tank that i'll press E"
I love your micro edits xD
Being able to communicate and call out a discord can seriously change the team fight!
You can harmony orb while primary firing however you cannot discord while primary firing. If you get pushed by the tank don’t forget to kick them. If mercy is on the enemy team take her out before the tank
Its impossible to play Zen wrong you just throw Discord on the Tank and press the sitting emote until Discord isn't on the Tank, then you find another victim or throw it back on the Tank when you can.
the best tip i can give to zenyatta players is to stay alive as long as they can, wich makes you have more orbs uptime and wich means you need to have good positioning
Love that 'Pepe' moment @10:40
Easily one of the best videos you’ve ever put out
I'm like plat or someish but I use Zen's right click at the beginning of an engagement, but I usually let my tank walk out first before I peek an angle. Other than that I just keep discord on thank and yeet my balls at them most of the time. 100% correct on the downtime of just using right clicks.
Great video, learned a ton from it, keep up the great work!
FINALLY!!!!! Not like anyone’s gonna listen to this guide. But yeah Zen I’ve only seen two total plat and lower zens NOT be a frontline tank. The OW problem and pressure to get I’ll charge as soon as possible and put stats up. Is insane
10:40 is comedy gold
My comp win rate as support is 100% because of Zen. I love him so much rn. And whenever Sombras or Tracers flank me 9/10 times I still beat them.
I also played only 15 games so idk if the 100% wr says much
Small sample size isnnt representative, but keep going strong and try to uphold it
they must be trash I always wreck zen players 😂
10:41 cultured editor.
I hope to see more guides
Remember: While you are charging your five shot volley, you literally cannot apply the Discord Orb.
My support main
Honestly the only thing i struggle with Zen is landing hits with the weapon, it's so hard! Can a separate video like an aim guide be made?
Look up some Overwatch aim trainer codes to use in the workshop/custom games-find one for Xen specifically and then create game in the custom mode, go to settings, then import game settings code (downward facing arrow).
There are countless ones out there so find a character specific one from preferably a reputable player/steamer….after that, get those reps in
It’s so funny seeing metal ranks say Zen isn’t OP bc they’re stuck on the idea of him being the squishiest hero in the game. He’s got that support passive and shields, insane damage output and a great knock back on almost no cool-down, plus discord to make tanks look like paper, plus a team to keep him safe. He’s barely a glass cannon anymore but they don’t have the positioning and awareness to abuse his strengths so they believe him to be just ok
I rarely use Zen's right click, but seems it's a good way to get easy eliminations from a distance.
It can also be pretty good up close if you manage to get the jump on a squishy.
I love his right click. Good not to over rely on it but if you get good with it and hard play corners or places enemies don't expect you can make some big opportunities for your team.
Guys hear me out: Ana positioning with Zen. I feel like mastering Ana first before I decided to main Zen REALLY helped me understand positioning, discord and healing orb priority, along with doing amazing damage. Also take high angles so if you get dived, you can literally just snap kick them off the ledge lmao. Ive done it so many times with Winston, Genji, and Reaper.
Also dont let anyone tell you Zen isn't good at healing. Ive outhealed every support in every game Ive played (except Moira on SOME occasions). Zen is definitely one of the best supports of all time. Do not let anyone tell you otherwise.
ML7 talked about not overusing right click in his unranked to GM on Zen. Basically, he explained how pressure comes with M1, picks with M2, and Zen is first and foremost pressure.
Thanks for picking my submission! Yeah, I go way too hard sometimes trying to make progress. Haha.
Unrelated to Zen, but god damn I really need to focus more on using cover etc, be more aware of my position and angles... So difficult, often see an enemy and oog oog monkey brain hyper focus. REALLY need to break that.
Yay Zen guide :)
tl;dr: Paraíso is actually pronounced pah-rah-EE-zo.
in more details:
1) the As are pronounced like a very open "Ah"
2) the i is pronounced like "ee" in feet, and it's the stress syllable in that word (that's why it has an accent on top of it)
3) the s has a Z sound in this case (because it's between two vowels, but nevermind that)
4) Paraíso has 4 syllables: pa-ra-í-so, notice that "rai" is not one syllable, but two
bonus: the R sound is actually closer to the double-t sound in "letter", but using the English R sound is acceptable and most brazilians would understand you fine.
I was a noob Zen a few days ago but I am acing him a little bit now,
you wanna always be weaving his kick in-between your shots if they get in melee range too. good damage but also makes landing your shots easier and throws their aim off
And lets not talk about how this playstyle makes playing tank miserable.
A return to good content. Nice. Been playing zen a lot recently and climbing
Even though I’m a GM1 healer I love these videos
the irony of referring to zen as a healer
Pepe seeing the Widow as a nice edit lol!
Freedo can you please make a short video warning people about the “Applying update” bug. Some folks have been banned for the season at no fault. I quit my game after this bug hit my game. Ended up with an hour ban. Careful y’all
Which support has the highest dps? I tell myself it was zen with target discord but i diddnt measure the other supports
The supports I've managed to get the highest dmg out of are Zen and Moira. Hardest for me is Kiriko (and is probably for alot of people). Bap and Lucio cando fair amount aswell
how do i configure my HUD to have the char portaits up on top during game play?
Right click has so much value as a burst damage source. Also, it allows the zen to stay in cover a lot more while only reducing his overall dps slightly. The most annoying thing for zen is the enemy dives, so he is more about the balance between playing far back and up close.
It reduces his dps by half!
@@plain-bagel Good point. Not quite half, but not 'slightly' either (35% decrease w/ reload). Gotta balance that dps and survivability :)
I always have a hard time when it comes to getting into GM. Granted Im trynna heavily pick zen while still switching when appropriate. Once I start getting those high level games people don't even take a second to sway to counter zen.
Zen is broken, moreso at high ranks. If you're getting hard countered you're playing him wrong. Nothing can counter zen other than a tracer or widow rn
Zen has been fantastic since OW1 Season 1.
every time i queue as support and dps and i get dps i just think "can i just pick zen" lol the damage in insane
To put it simply, play peek-a-boo with your opponent’s lol
Hey that’s me as the opposing zen in the first clip
The problem with playing Zen is that Overwatch 2 has a lot of very mobile characters who are allowed to position themselves poorly in stupid places and then get out, which means its very easy to get assassinated. This wasn't as much of an issue when OW1 came out and you only really had to deal with Tracer and Genji being able to do that, but now there's enough characters that can get in and out of your team for basically free that it's guaranteed that there will be at least one on the enemy team, and if your team doesn't peal for you then there's just nothing you can do.
I'm a Zen main and the only thing I don't like about him is how unsatisfying it feels to move with him. I'm a casual player and my favourite thing in overwatch is just the fun lol
Can we get a guide on countering Doomfist? He's in roughly half of all my games and runs completely rampant. He is my most hated character even since he was a DPS.
Sombra, Sombra or Sombra. I'm duoing with a Doomfist alot recently and he curses no one as much. Any turrets too (Sym and Torb)
I was wondering why I wasn't getting the chance to play Zen at all today, well now I know why.
Leave it to YO to build so much hype for a character you main that you dont even get the opportunity to play him.
Hopefully it dies down within the next couple days so I can get back to my zen climb...
so primary + disc, got it.
Genuine question. Is a 64% win rate on zen at Master rank good? I've always considered my zen to be pretty good
mines at 56% and i’m in diamond so i’d say that sounds good
Love u freedo woo
3:17 yeah that's closed but the rest of the team is already main so he's creating an off angle wich is how to carry on Zenyatta, but his damage uptime is in fact too low and he dosn't switch angle enought
3:53 "and look at me on the same map staying with my tank and not creating any angle and shooting only at the tank"
Tell me you're gold without telling me you're gold
Don't teach people if you don't know, if you want to teach people engage someone who knows to teach
I say this over and over and I will say it again Blizzard needs to incorporate a system that can differentiate between a player leaving a competitive game on purpose and getting disconnected by accident or the game crashing or in case of a power outage, it's just frustrating that a player gets wrongfully suspended or even worse banned and sometimes its blizzards fault that their servers are bad which disconnects mid game and after re opening the game the player has been logged out of their account happened to last night during a comp game and I got banned from season 4 Competitive so I started playing on second account the same shit happened again both my accounts are a banned now from playing season 4 competitive, and here blizzard aren't addressing this issue instead they go after things that dont need fixing
All right kets get that 63% zen win rate this season to 75%
Wow... I suddenly feel a lot better about my Zen play. I mean... I still can't aim worth shit... but my positioning seems to be on point.
Its SPECIFICALLY discord that is op. Arguably the rest of his kit is pretty mid compared to the rest of the support lineup, but discord gets more value than any of them just for being up.
"Get featured on our educational content" is code for get your gameplay roasted
Bro had kcserato in one of the vods
I do not agree that you should just focus the tank. It's too easy to counter. You have to use him to control angles and help your dps. Hit the tank when the tank is the only aggressor.
If running at the enemy and kicking them is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
Might be time to make a mei guide freedo people are catching on
To make a video about zenyatta that is sponsored by manscaped and not include some sort of joke during that ad should be a crime
dedicated 100 hours to zen, he’s my favorite character. every once and awhile i just can’t get that tracer or sombre or gengi they are menaces!!!
The worst! Tracers specifically are a headache
@@onefish2fish any tips on the best way to take them down, i usually try to let them get close to me to kick them, but the smart ones pick off me
@@royalpapi2657 not really. The discord kick combo is usually the key but it's useless in open space. If I know a tracer is lurking I tend to stay closer to the group for support. Most tracers fall back in that situation making them easier to predict for a shot.
Literally strongest hero in the game right now, and climbing is easy once you master positioning. Take off angles, apply orbs, take shots at players not expecting it. Once they catch on to you, rotate to another off angle. Easy money.
Please Baptiste next
finally
nice
Never been "12 seconds ago" early o.o
So we not going to talk about how we were staring at widow’s ass at a point in the video?
what do you mean freedo?
Is this a new editor?
Another Zen tip, never put your disc on the tank. Just don't do it, stop it, please, stop it... can we stop?
Zen is pretty much the entire reason I stopped playing Tank this season. Just place it on the enemy tank and make the entire game miserable for them. gg
Nah both teams have zen and sigma
seems to me enemy sigma knows better how to deal with an enemy zen like using obstacles,line of sight,shield mngment etc
even with a perma discord