I think he specifically did elbows out for both stability and also because hub motors put much more torque on spoke heads so you can't do alternating elbows in/out like a lot of road bike wheel builds recommend
Thanks for taking the time in putting this together for us all. I was curious of the process, now I have been educated and took much value from this tutorial. I wish you well in your endeavours.
Thank you so much for making this video. Fixing the lateral and out of round movement with zip ties was pretty easy. Just have to be patient of finding the culprits. Best teacher ever.
Wheel building is easy once you understand what is going on. I built a few back when I ran a small bike shop. It was handy having a large selection of spoke lengths. As there weren't any online spoke calculators then I worked up the formula.
I'm sure that would help keep your trigonometry fresh on the mind! We're pretty spoiled these days being able to have computer programs do all the math for us.
Thank you Robert. It's not Rocket Surgery. We just need to know how it's done. Thanks to Grin Technologies for keeping it do-able for all of us and taking the pressure off some of the Roberts out there. Loved the video.
Thanks Robert you certainly did inspire me LOL. If you hear any cursing coming from the direction of Florida I didn’t listen well enough. Thanks for the clear instruction and humor. I’m very easy to confuse and I think I got it the first time. That’s an accomplishment for sure. Now I’ve got to pick up the hub, rim, and spokes and see what I am made of LOL.
Your the coolest bro, I'll maybe one day do this. My 1st was my unicycle, 60 years back. Dad said if you take that apart , you'll never get it back together, ha, showed him.
Explain very well for the average person that's good with their hands. Not all of us have a bike shop to work in. I'm relacing an Alex rim also. A 1200 watt ebikeling rear hub. Tried solid Tannus tires. Worked great til they cracked my rim 6 inch from the weld point and at the Weld point. A700c × 40 tire a 23mm inside with a rim. I know hardtail without any suspension all the shock was being absorbed by the rim. The solid tires had the pressure of roughly 80 psi. They were extremely light wait. Gave a minor rolling resistance. And could never get a flight which was great. Do the rim cracked thank you for the video very helpful and knowledgeable person thank you
what a fantastically informative video. That really doesn't seem as hard as it looks after you explained it! nice that with the exception of the cross pattern, this applies to normal hubs, too. For those of us that want or need to replace them.
This video encouraged me to lace up a new rim after I buckled the cheapo junk rim that came in my ebike kit. I now have a matching set with a rim (DM18) that I have trusted for many years. Thanks for the video.
Right on and glad to hear it helped and gave you the confidence boost to give it a go! Most stock hub motor kits have pretty budget quality rims, spokes, and lacing jobs, which does a disservice to the whole movement.
The first person I've ever seen actually set a bicycle wheel right, besides myself that is, lol. I've spent 6-8 hours before figuring out and teaching myself how to properly align a wheel, because the place I bought it from said it was within specs. The brakes were dragging on parts of the wheel. I was mad! Anyways I got it figured out wish I'd have had this video then. I've since put twisted spokes on my harley. Lol, anyways, many thunbs up on great lacing video.
My recent eMTB conversion has left me with odd wheels and have thought about this for a while, you make it look so simple that I may indulge in this black art to settle my odd wheel OCD, you are a star, expertly delivered - I have much to learn fellow Robert :)
Thank you! I'm getting ready to lace up the hub motor on my bike and this video gives me hope. I tried the ”figure it out as I go" method once and needless to say, I no longer have that wheel. I'm gonna order spokes after dinner! 🎉
aaaaaaaaaand... you got a new subscriber ! Efficient, simple, direct to the point and with almost no tools. That's my shit right there, bushcraft style !
Translucently clear stuff. I thought this was all-in-all a very skilled, impressive piece of communication. I don't know (Justin? Robert?) if you've made similar videos on the other key parts of DIY-ebikery but there is probably a big need: the ridiculous price of buying a ready-made and underpowered ebike, at least here in Europe and the UK particularly, arguably expresses the mystification widely felt about other parts of ebikes, including among Local Bike Shop workers and home-tinkerers, probably particularly battery building and motor repairs (and choosing parts). Bikes are simple and electricity feels unsimple. So it might be a worthwhile area for repeating this video's amazing trick on in the future (if you haven't already). Hola de Inglaterra chicos, J
Dude, you're the best teacher ever, I succeeded in taking my wheel and hub apart for powder coating and was able to lace it back together with confidence! Thank you so much! I need to have you build one for me it must be crazy true compared to mine. Need to also PayPal Robert some money for a Coffe at least this video is gold. Also because we have the same cool name Robert, lol!
Fantastic! Thanks so much, i just did my first winter and i need a full rebuild. This is well explained and from the shop to you living room Awesome work.
Thanks so much, I bought an ebike and the motor went out. I was sent just a motor and had to install, which was pretty simple after watching your video. I also purchased Grin's updated torque arm, which is working perfectly on my 1000w ebike forks.
Thanks Robert! I used the Grin spoke calculator and then followed your instructions step by step with the video playing on my workbench. The build was as easy as you made it look and it came out great! Thanks for making it fun too. You guys rock! Just one question, what is that red liquid in your “wine glass”? Cheers!
Thank you! I have built a few e-bike wheels at home with proper tools, but am building a trike for my sister, and the wheel was not dished on arrival. Your video showed me several new tricks, and when I get back home I plan to correct some egg-shaped wheels I have been ignoring!
So helpful. There is nothing out there to help us with broken wheels. It’s a massive hurdle to ebike ownership. Every time I take my bike out I have wheel anxiety. Break the wheel , you can’t even find a bike shop interested in repairing it. Thanks for doing this.
No problem and hopefully you'll be confident after watching to look after wheel truing yourself. The main reason for failures is when people allow their spokes to get loose, and then there is opportunity for fatigue weakening of the spokes at the bend. But we've also seen a few instances where people have overtightened their spokes and the nipples have pulled through or cracked the rim. Done right though, a hub motor wheelbuild can be trouble free for years and years.
Thanks for the video. I hope it is half as easy as you make it look. Had a wheel with a bad motor, and another wheel severely bent after a crash. About to attempt to put good motor in straight rim with new spokes. Good times.
I mean, a truing stand is a great investment if you expect to build up number of wheels in your life, but if this is just a one-off build then the fork trick does the job just fine.
@@GrinTechnologies Let's first see if I can get one built. With your help that should go fine. However, while waiting for my first hub motor to arrive I've been wondering about something. My bike has disc brakes. I've noticed that even though the front tire is centered in the forks, there seems to be less space between the edge of the original hub and the fork on the brake side than on the other side. But the wheel looks to be symmetrical with no apparent dish. Should I expect some? If so, does mean I need two different lengths of spokes? Maybe you could do video on how to determine if this is necessary and how to do it. I suspect this information would also come in handy if you are lacing a rear hub motor.
@@ALSmith-zz4yy you have disc mount on one side of the hub, no? Space that you mention is taken up by that mount on disc side? Look at the hub where spokes are rather than axle, spokes on disc side are slightly further away from the fork comparing to spokes on the opposite side which are closer to fork? Same on the rear wheel where cassette is, as long as you rim and tyre are right in the middle of the bike/fork/seat stays/chain stay you are good to go... or I didnt understand your question?
Very nice and easy to understand video. I'm looking to assemble my e-bike but often motors come already fitted in wheel and that saves some money, lets see.
Can I ask you what's the best AMPS to use for a 48v 1500w hub motor? I'm currently running a 52v battery that can do 45amps with a 48v controller. But I'm able to reduce the AMPS on my controller. Because I believe 45amps that my battery can produce is overheating my rear huh motor
Thanks for this, I used some old bits I had laying around to lace a 250w geared motor to a 700c rim, using spokes mostly from a 26" wheel and some 700c spokes. I followed your pattern but I had more of a harsh angle on the spokes due to them being longer, but it did it and it works perfectly, managed to true it up quite close.
Hey good to hear. There's a lot more nuance that we didn't go into regarding many specific hub motor wheelbuilding scenarios, but a large majority of hub motor builds are well addressed with this general technique. ie, single cross, all bends on outside of flange, and oiling (not loctiting) the nipples.
Love I'm a bike tech who just got his first ebike second hand. I do have a tensionometer. What kind of tension should I be shooting for? Back end makes some interesting noises. Ego bike Seagull. Thanks for the great video.
no idea but I do know from experience that if it's too loose, the torque from the motor can unscrew all the spokes and also that too tight results in spokes breaking constantly.
For the most part the spoke tension should be no different than for a regular bicycle hub. The fact that the hub has a motor in it doesn't really change anything about the forces present on the spokes.
Love the ending! It has been 45 years since I trued spokes and I'm relacing my cheep Chinese spokes, light spokes with a slightly heavier spoke, on my rear Hub motor that I broke a spoke on. Is Loctite a good or bad idea? And thank you for the Lesson and refresher course! And the laughing my ass off at the end!
I instantly trust any man who wears his glasses on a leash and drinks juice from a wine glass. Clearly a person of wisdom and culture.
Ditto!
I loved the wine glass next to the workspace... at that point, I knew this was going to be a realistic DIY video 😀
Hands down the best ebike wheel building video out there! Thanks so much!
Yes but building an ebike wheel isn't any different from building a normal bike wheel.
I think he specifically did elbows out for both stability and also because hub motors put much more torque on spoke heads so you can't do alternating elbows in/out like a lot of road bike wheel builds recommend
Also a 1 cross reduces the spoke angle compared to the normal 3 cross
Lol this was so easy to understand i don't see a point in even buying one anymore. Thank you for this.
This is the best ebike lacing instruction on UA-cam. Watch and learn from the master.
Now that’s what I call good old fashion customer service. Thanks for sharing your knowledge fine sir. I will be placing an order.
I love your attitude. You are the man to listen to. The man who builds freakin wheels all day long!!
I love it when pros have a sense of humour. Great video!
Best wheel building video ever!! Robert you rock! I especially enjoyed your comments at the end. :) (You have built a few wheels for me.)
Thanks for taking the time in putting this together for us all.
I was curious of the process, now I have been educated and took much value from this tutorial.
I wish you well in your endeavours.
Thank you so much for making this video. Fixing the lateral and out of round movement with zip ties was pretty easy. Just have to be patient of finding the culprits. Best teacher ever.
Wheel building is easy once you understand what is going on. I built a few back when I ran a small bike shop.
It was handy having a large selection of spoke lengths.
As there weren't any online spoke calculators then I worked up the formula.
I'm sure that would help keep your trigonometry fresh on the mind! We're pretty spoiled these days being able to have computer programs do all the math for us.
Thank you Robert. It's not Rocket Surgery. We just need to know how it's done. Thanks to Grin Technologies for keeping it do-able for all of us and taking the pressure off some of the Roberts out there. Loved the video.
Thanks Robert you certainly did inspire me LOL. If you hear any cursing coming from the direction of Florida I didn’t listen well enough. Thanks for the clear instruction and humor. I’m very easy to confuse and I think I got it the first time. That’s an accomplishment for sure. Now I’ve got to pick up the hub, rim, and spokes and see what I am made of LOL.
This probably saved me from hours and hours of frustration and mistakes. Thanks!
Your the coolest bro, I'll maybe one day do this. My 1st was my unicycle, 60 years back. Dad said if you take that apart , you'll never get it back together, ha, showed him.
hi Robert am one of your customer and i thank you for your great skill i never own a better hub motor :3
That whole video was great, but the last thirty seconds made my week! Thanks for the lesson!
Glad to hear it!
Wine glass and a knowledgeable but easy going guy on a sofa yup this video tutorial is a winner
Excellent video. Clear, thorough easy to understand and without the b.s.
Great Vid! Explains clearly, the arcane art of wheel building, with some humour thrown in for good measure.
You're a great teacher. Great video edits as well. Thank you!
Explain very well for the average person that's good with their hands. Not all of us have a bike shop to work in. I'm relacing an Alex rim also. A 1200 watt ebikeling rear hub. Tried solid Tannus tires. Worked great til they cracked my rim 6 inch from the weld point and at the Weld point. A700c × 40 tire a 23mm inside with a rim. I know hardtail without any suspension all the shock was being absorbed by the rim. The solid tires had the pressure of roughly 80 psi. They were extremely light wait. Gave a minor rolling resistance. And could never get a flight which was great. Do the rim cracked thank you for the video very helpful and knowledgeable person thank you
Thank you now maybe I will remember all this great info, without re-watching it a dozen more times.
what a fantastically informative video. That really doesn't seem as hard as it looks after you explained it! nice that with the exception of the cross pattern, this applies to normal hubs, too. For those of us that want or need to replace them.
Absolutely bloody brill video. Love the idea of taking the hammer to the wheel! Many a time I've felt like doing that!
This video encouraged me to lace up a new rim after I buckled the cheapo junk rim that came in my ebike kit. I now have a matching set with a rim (DM18) that I have trusted for many years. Thanks for the video.
Right on and glad to hear it helped and gave you the confidence boost to give it a go! Most stock hub motor kits have pretty budget quality rims, spokes, and lacing jobs, which does a disservice to the whole movement.
Robert did such a fantastic job of repairing my 20 x 4 fat tire bike wheel the thing is running perfectly he did a great job
what needed repair on it?
Very well explained. Almost looking forward to my wheels needing repair!
The first person I've ever seen actually set a bicycle wheel right, besides myself that is, lol. I've spent 6-8 hours before figuring out and teaching myself how to properly align a wheel, because the place I bought it from said it was within specs. The brakes were dragging on parts of the wheel. I was mad! Anyways I got it figured out wish I'd have had this video then. I've since put twisted spokes on my harley. Lol, anyways, many thunbs up on great lacing video.
My recent eMTB conversion has left me with odd wheels and have thought about this for a while, you make it look so simple that I may indulge in this black art to settle my odd wheel OCD, you are a star, expertly delivered - I have much to learn fellow Robert :)
You make it look so easy, but it is an art form and if my e-bike ever reaches 70mph, I’d want a pro to build the wheels, brilliant video.
The outro is proper tho! Thats where its at!
Thank you! I'm getting ready to lace up the hub motor on my bike and this video gives me hope. I tried the ”figure it out as I go" method once and needless to say, I no longer have that wheel. I'm gonna order spokes after dinner! 🎉
aaaaaaaaaand... you got a new subscriber !
Efficient, simple, direct to the point and with almost no tools. That's my shit right there, bushcraft style !
Haha awesome! Welcome to the channel!
@@GrinTechnologies your spoke calculator is the best i've seen in my 3 days experience in respoking a wheel...
@@GrinTechnologies do you have a trick to thread the spoke ? I can't find any cheap tool to do that...
This is great! I have my hub motor, just waiting for the spokes to ship- Thank you for the incredible calculator!
Great information from great people makes a great company.
Translucently clear stuff.
I thought this was all-in-all a very skilled, impressive piece of communication. I don't know (Justin? Robert?) if you've made similar videos on the other key parts of DIY-ebikery but there is probably a big need: the ridiculous price of buying a ready-made and underpowered ebike, at least here in Europe and the UK particularly, arguably expresses the mystification widely felt about other parts of ebikes, including among Local Bike Shop workers and home-tinkerers, probably particularly battery building and motor repairs (and choosing parts). Bikes are simple and electricity feels unsimple. So it might be a worthwhile area for repeating this video's amazing trick on in the future (if you haven't already). Hola de Inglaterra chicos, J
Dude, you're the best teacher ever, I succeeded in taking my wheel and hub apart for powder coating and was able to lace it back together with confidence! Thank you so much! I need to have you build one for me it must be crazy true compared to mine. Need to also PayPal Robert some money for a Coffe at least this video is gold. Also because we have the same cool name Robert, lol!
I can’t seem to locate any venders selling the laces and rims.
Love this I am a freak bike builder I am slowly swapping my bike over get er done power thanks for all the great tips❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Great channel brother keep up the wild vids!
wonderful addition to the knowledge base of ebikes!! bravo!!
Fantastic! Thanks so much, i just did my first winter and i need a full rebuild. This is well explained and from the shop to you living room Awesome work.
Brilliant , enjoyed watching someone make it look methodical :)
What a great video. When I am ready to build, I will be coming back to this one!
Thanks so much, I bought an ebike and the motor went out. I was sent just a motor and had to install, which was pretty simple after watching your video. I also purchased Grin's updated torque arm, which is working perfectly on my 1000w ebike forks.
Thanks Robert! I used the Grin spoke calculator and then followed your instructions step by step with the video playing on my workbench. The build was as easy as you made it look and it came out great! Thanks for making it fun too. You guys rock! Just one question, what is that red liquid in your “wine glass”? Cheers!
this is great. you're genuine. thanks for showing how things work. hope to do business with you soon.
thanks again.
Andrew
Thank you! I have built a few e-bike wheels at home with proper tools, but am building a trike for my sister, and the wheel was not dished on arrival. Your video showed me several new tricks, and when I get back home I plan to correct some egg-shaped wheels I have been ignoring!
Your building a wheel for me currently, should be shipped out any day. Thank you.
Doing this today. Thank you for the solid tutelage.
Hope it turned out!
Excellent ... I found a chalk useful too , hold it on the forks & spin the wheel & it chalks on the wobbles & high spots.
I use this bike for short trips from campground to beach,restaurant etc bike works great
So helpful. There is nothing out there to help us with broken wheels. It’s a massive hurdle to ebike ownership. Every time I take my bike out I have wheel anxiety. Break the wheel , you can’t even find a bike shop interested in repairing it. Thanks for doing this.
No problem and hopefully you'll be confident after watching to look after wheel truing yourself. The main reason for failures is when people allow their spokes to get loose, and then there is opportunity for fatigue weakening of the spokes at the bend. But we've also seen a few instances where people have overtightened their spokes and the nipples have pulled through or cracked the rim. Done right though, a hub motor wheelbuild can be trouble free for years and years.
I had the same problem, I always used 12g spokes, makes a huge difference
Still the best video for threading spokes ..
Fantastic video. Love the blooper in the end
Love the ending of this informative tutorial!
Really great walkthrough. Thankyou
Thanks for the video. I hope it is half as easy as you make it look. Had a wheel with a bad motor, and another wheel severely bent after a crash. About to attempt to put good motor in straight rim with new spokes. Good times.
What a talent! Can you do fancy motor cycle wheel lacing too?
just what i was looking for , thanks for the video sir!
I was thinking of investing in truing stand to build my first wheel. Now I'm not going to because I already have one on the bike. Thanks Robert.
I mean, a truing stand is a great investment if you expect to build up number of wheels in your life, but if this is just a one-off build then the fork trick does the job just fine.
@@GrinTechnologies Let's first see if I can get one built. With your help that should go fine. However, while waiting for my first hub motor to arrive I've been wondering about something. My bike has disc brakes. I've noticed that even though the front tire is centered in the forks, there seems to be less space between the edge of the original hub and the fork on the brake side than on the other side. But the wheel looks to be symmetrical with no apparent dish. Should I expect some? If so, does mean I need two different lengths of spokes? Maybe you could do video on how to determine if this is necessary and how to do it. I suspect this information would also come in handy if you are lacing a rear hub motor.
@@ALSmith-zz4yy you have disc mount on one side of the hub, no? Space that you mention is taken up by that mount on disc side? Look at the hub where spokes are rather than axle, spokes on disc side are slightly further away from the fork comparing to spokes on the opposite side which are closer to fork? Same on the rear wheel where cassette is, as long as you rim and tyre are right in the middle of the bike/fork/seat stays/chain stay you are good to go... or I didnt understand your question?
Thank you, I learned so much from this video.
Very nice and easy to understand video.
I'm looking to assemble my e-bike but often motors come already fitted in wheel and that saves some money, lets see.
Fantastic job. You made it look easy...Thanks. Very motivating..
Perfact. What a great video making a scray job look very straight forward. Thank you so much for your help. Your a good Guy ;) .
Great video, thank you. And thank you for the spoke calculator.
Hmmmmm thanks to your informative video. I can most likely attempt my own lacing. I’m looking to reduce wheel size to a 24inch rim hub.
Can I ask you what's the best AMPS to use for a 48v 1500w hub motor?
I'm currently running a 52v battery that can do 45amps with a 48v controller.
But I'm able to reduce the AMPS on my controller. Because I believe 45amps that my battery can produce is overheating my rear huh motor
I been looking for this information to fix my wheel for a while, thank you very much ! Very helpful video!! Thank you very much 🙏
A store in Mississauga told me it would be about $51 to repair 1 spoke. After seeing this, I'll do it myself. I have a zip tie!
why would you need a lace-video to replace 1 spoke 🤔🤔
Amazing video I'm going to build my own wheel...
This video was incredibly helpful, thank you guys so much!
good guidance video unlike others, I am from INDIA
you have not mentioned the length of the spoke, it is 219 mm length, i bought here, this is for information of all viewing your video
Was having a hard time. You saved me.
Glad to hear. Hope that your wheel is now tight and true and serving you well!
Cheers guys, loved the outtakes :-), very helpful as I need to rebuild a wheel.
Thank you. Excellent video.
This is pretty great.
Thanks a lot you saved my day. Excellent video
Glad it helped!
best video ever, thank you so much
Thanks for this, I used some old bits I had laying around to lace a 250w geared motor to a 700c rim, using spokes mostly from a 26" wheel and some 700c spokes. I followed your pattern but I had more of a harsh angle on the spokes due to them being longer, but it did it and it works perfectly, managed to true it up quite close.
Excellent production value. Thank you for sharing.
Our pleasure and glad to hear that you enjoyed it!
What a video.. Hands down.. Thank you so much
this is the voice of your conscience the primal voice of your ancestors.
Inspiring! I will build this ebike wheel... When I'll be retired!
5:03 What did he do with that bent wire? How did he hold the wheel up to do the rest of the spokes?
That's how my dad taught me to true wheels. 👍👍
Lol that end has me laughing 😂 great video thanks so much for the clear instructions
Out standing videos 👍👍 buddy good information to know if I need to do my own work great job thanks again for your help
Thanks for putting this together. I learned a ton.
Hey good to hear. There's a lot more nuance that we didn't go into regarding many specific hub motor wheelbuilding scenarios, but a large majority of hub motor builds are well addressed with this general technique. ie, single cross, all bends on outside of flange, and oiling (not loctiting) the nipples.
Thanks again. This was very helpful.
That ending deserves my sub
Love I'm a bike tech who just got his first ebike second hand. I do have a tensionometer. What kind of tension should I be shooting for? Back end makes some interesting noises. Ego bike Seagull. Thanks for the great video.
no idea but I do know from experience that if it's too loose, the torque from the motor can unscrew all the spokes and also that too tight results in spokes breaking constantly.
For the most part the spoke tension should be no different than for a regular bicycle hub. The fact that the hub has a motor in it doesn't really change anything about the forces present on the spokes.
Good show man 👍I am thinking about going with a wider rim & tire
awesome content. and funny outro! thank you so much.
So excellent ! Splendid !
Absolutely brilliant video! Thanks 🙏
Thank you for this video dude!
🙏 does all our wheels for EastVanChopcycle 🏁💪 amazing attention to detail thanks for all your hard work!!
Your Electric Choppers are exemplary Eli. Thanks for your comment and we're working on your customer profile vid promptly. -Aaron
Now that was funny do more videos like that hahaha
Love the ending! It has been 45 years since I trued spokes and I'm relacing my cheep Chinese spokes, light spokes with a slightly heavier spoke, on my rear Hub motor that I broke a spoke on. Is Loctite a good or bad idea? And thank you for the Lesson and refresher course! And the laughing my ass off at the end!
Aleister Crowley lacing the motor like a beast!