The man/men that Jo see's at the facility is Vladimir Illyushin! Illya says in ep3 while thy are walking to Paul's grave (after Jo shows them the pic of Irena in her USSR suit) "You know I heard from a guy that Gararin was not first in space. It was Vladimir Illyushin, But he crashed in China so they brought him home and locked him up."
I think the reason Henry/Bud was left in the snow and not rescued is because the emergency personnel couldn't see him, similar to when Jo was seemingly unseen or heard by the cleaners emptying her office. I think sometimes the characters phase out of whichever universe they're in temporarily, either as an after effect or a precursor to switching universes. 😊
I can get behind this. Also like when the Alice's are talking in the cupboard and neither Magnus or Jo can see them, only the tape recorder. @@kristineclevenger6705
I agree as when Henry/Bud got to the snow part both Alices where there in the distorted mirror space and Jo told other Alice to go back to her father, then shortly after that Jo was back in the second space ready to be rescued, but as Henry/Bud was not conscious he was still in that distorted mirror space until he woke up and everyone was gone.
I think the CAL might be in Jo, that’s why she was able to see both men upstairs, also the way Paul was looking at both arms, (remember his arm was crushed in space) that may be the dead Paul back to life somehow and the dead Jo back alive somehow in space (remember they left the body up there)…I don’t know…but something about the CAL getting destroyed may have caused some funky quantum resurrections lol
this is a genius theory. the implication of Paul swapping though....is that the one who didn't die (and left Jo's body in space) is now buried 6ft underground. UNLESS the Paul who was shot actually died and the other Paul's consciousness shifted into this body since this universe is its "home" universe?
Jo definitely has a close relationship with the CAL, as does Alice & to some extent Magnus. They are linked as a family. My impression was that Paul was surveying the medical tubes attached to his arms, but I watched again & see the possibility of his seeing 2 intact arms also. I never accepted that Jo immediately died after the horrid eye injury. To me, her breathing indicated a comatose state. In that state can her subtle body leave & move around the ISS? She pushed the red button. Her body will decay, or does the CAL energy prolong the life force? It's all mysterious.
I don’t expect last episode to explain everything but this one left so much out! Anyways, am I the only one who think Paul switched as well? The way he looked at his hands, looking surprised…oh well in two years when season 2 comes we may confirm.
@@stmusic2164 I think he meant, that Paul switched AGAIN, back in his original world (where the alive Jo is now). So the scene in episode 8, where he wakes up in the hospital and looks at his hands
The thing that pisses me off is how is Jo in the ISS alive in any way after her eye socket was sucked out into SPACE with assumingly a good part of her BRAIN !!!! Literally a gaping hole in her head how tf is she alive and how is the space station stable with that big ass hole in the window ???????
I thought it was interesting that the red alice, as she left the house with her dad and was concluding to accept their reality was wearing a red-blue-yellow jacket. For me that’s hinting at accepting that all three states/realities exist.
Reminds me of how they dropped the ball with Lost but that show maintained its momentum for the first couple of seasons at least. The later seasons were designed to turn the intrigue up to 11. Eventually, things became so chaotic that they were incomprehensible even to the writers themselves. I don't understand why Constellation didn't give us more exposition about the causes of the bizarre phenomenon that propelled the plot forward. That ending left us underwhelmed, like being denied just before climax (apologies for the rather vulgar analogy). Feeling obscurely worse, really.
The two men in the room is her being able to see both worlds at the same time, similar to the cabin. So that same man is probably in that same room in her original universe as well.
I think the comment made to Joe about her not letting the mystery go eventually leading to her “splitting into two” is inferring that when a person switches places with their counterpart of another universe and doesn’t mentally adapt to their new life in their new universe, it can lead to them somehow being susceptible to having the consciousnesses of themselves from both universes swapped. Irene left the one universe in the 60s or whatever and went to the other and she maybe kept investing into what had happened to herself and it caused her to be alive in her new universe, as well as giving some form of animation or partial life into her corpse still orbiting in space though now occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart from the universe she now lives in. I think that’s what we’re seeing with Paul waking up with so much surprise in the hospital bed at the end of the finale. We’re seeing maybe the mind of the Paul that died in space, returning to his proper universe where he’d just been shot by bud. Paul had kept asking questions and kept investigating and it opened him up to being displaced between universes. In the article shown in the video above, the interview with the show runner also had him stating that the persons emotional state also played a factor in their ability to become displaced between universes. Obviously the most blatant example is Joe herself. She’s the most emotionally distraught character and is experiencing the most displacement bleed-through. And in the end I think we’re seeing this causing her corpse on the iss in her origin universe to get some sort of life, though occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart as a result. As an aside, I also concluded that the characters are being displaced between universes only in a psychological capacity. Their consciousnesses are moving but their bodies are remaining and being occupied by the consciousnesses of their counterparts. I think this explains why Joe can play the piano when she originally could not in her origin universe. I think the skill of playing an instrument is inferred to create a physical change the brain and that she inherited the skill as the new occupant of the brain that had learned to play the piano. Damn. I’m like… 75% sure I just figured this thing out.
Something no one is mentioning is that there are three cassette players. We saw two in this episode, but one melted in the cabin fire. This further supports the idea that we've been watching three universes.
I was thinking the same with the "third Cabin", the colors and everything madme think it was some kind of "interdimentional connection point" but not exactly a dimension like the other 2 . Now that i think of it, there was a cat, then a dead cat, and both at the same place/time, might have been "the same" cat.
Wouldn’t it be “four”, since one of them has a dead cat, an additional black cat, and the other abandoned cabin only has the one cat alive? I think it’s more like those universes’ “upside down” version of each other (like stranger things).
The cassette player thing confused the hell out of me. We saw one of them burn up and I think the other was dropped in the snow or something (I could be remembering wrong). Then in the finale we see both of them magically back in the homes of both Alices. I don't understand that at all. I also wonder why they had to communicate with each other that way. Henry and Bud, who are also quantum-entangled, communicated solely by talking to each other in the mirror, no cassette player needed. The Alices could see each other in the mirrors, but they needed the cassette player. I think that was probably just used as a fun plot device TBH. Finally, I found it strange that the Alices were quantum-entangled without having been to space. I could explain it if they only interacted when they were near the CAL but they interacted even when it wasn't around. I think one of their necklaces was up in space with Jo and then brought back, so maybe the necklace served as a bridge?
Is Jo having twins? Are the 2 men that call her mama her twins? I know I’m the only one that thinks this but I can’t get past them calling her mama just when she finds out she’s pregnant. I realize that for them to be Jo’s twins time cannot be linear. I there is theory that the past, present and future are all happening at the same time. Could this be happening on the show? Lots of questions! Oh so ISS Jo is half alive and half dead in the liminal reality. 🤷🏻♀️
This might be a reach but maybe time did get messed up with the Cal. Was the sonogram showing “twins” and were they the ones upstairs. The one saw her and kept calling her mamma.
That makes too much sense. Irena could be lying about him being the first man in space. She has no reason to come clean on anything except what she got caught on 😵💫
@@AfrooBlack It will be interesting to see the baby's experience of reality. My guess is that Season 2 will begin a few years into the future, when Alice's sibling can talk. Some people are finding this episode frustrating, but I find it to be many steps forward in revelations. My interest continues.
My thoughts: Paul wakes up in the hospital room, but he wakes up as Red Paul, and is stunned to see he has his arm back. Red Joe is put back in the correct spot and wakes up in the ISS with one eye. Not shown, but Bud will likely wake up in a literal prison of his own making.
The two men in the room who call her MaMa will turn out to be her now unborn child exisiting in the moment and spit in two as coming from both worlds.and is a time shift
break into two could mean, if you don't forget about the 2 realities, you might bring the other you over. The man calling Jo Mama could be another hint to indeed travelling in time - pregnant with twins. To me the whole show looks like as if somebody watched Dark and then said, hey, we can do this too :D
Saint Sergius, the hospital, is named after the duo of Sergius and Bacchus. They were 2 officers in the roman army who were secretly christian in a pagan world. These beliefs eventually became there death. Interesting choice of the writers to choose for these saints.
I think the comment made to Joe about her not letting the mystery go eventually leading to her “splitting into two” is inferring that when a person switches places with their counterpart of another universe and doesn’t mentally adapt to their new life in their new universe, it can lead to them somehow being susceptible to having the consciousnesses of themselves from both universes swapped. Irene left the one universe in the 60s or whatever and went to the other and she maybe kept investing into what had happened to herself and it caused her to be alive in her new universe, as well as giving some form of animation or partial life into her corpse still orbiting in space though now occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart from the universe she now lives in. I think that’s what we’re seeing with Paul waking up with so much surprise in the hospital bed at the end of the finale. We’re seeing maybe the mind of the Paul that died in space, returning to his proper universe where he’d just been shot by bud. Paul had kept asking questions and kept investigating and it opened him up to being displaced between universes. In the article shown in the video above, the interview with the show runner also had him stating that the persons emotional state also played a factor in their ability to become displaced between universes. Obviously the most blatant example is Joe herself. She’s the most emotionally distraught character and is experiencing the most displacement bleed-through. And in the end I think we’re seeing this causing her corpse on the iss in her origin universe to get some sort of life, though occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart as a result. As an aside, I also concluded that the characters are being displaced between universes only in a psychological capacity. Their consciousnesses are moving but their bodies are remaining and being occupied by the consciousnesses of their counterparts. I think this explains why Joe can play the piano when she originally could not in her origin universe. I think the skill of playing an instrument is inferred to create a physical change the brain and that she inherited the skill as the new occupant of the brain that had learned to play the piano. Damn. I’m like… 75% sure I just figured this thing out.
Thank heavens for your 75%, that really helped me a lot, so thank you for thinking that through and for writing it out in such a coherent way - I will need to reread it a few times to make sure I fully understand this show. Phew, sci-fi can be a mindfugg at times!
I think it's intentional. When paul showed up to bud's his car time was 2200. When "bud" dialed 911 his phone said 2100. No way they messed up three different edits. Unless bud was in a different time zone.
One idea I had about why Valya and Jo are alive, even though their body is essentially dead... the thought being that since THAT body's consciousness swapped with the alternate universe, then she cannot die unless her consciousness is brought back to her body. Since the consciousness that belongs to the body she currently inhabits is in HER original body, then theoretically the consciousness is still alive, but in a dead body. It seems very plausible considering Irena said she felt like "floating endlessly around the earth"... which her actual body is doing in that moment. So it would make since that Valya is manipulating Alice somehow in the hopes of eventually getting back to her own body.
I think "Blue Jo" is dead. At least as dead as "Blue Irena/Valya". 1. There was not really an explaination why "Red Jo", "Henry" and maybe both "Alice-Versions" had moments when they saw the mummified "Valya"? 2. There was also not an explaination how the dead body of "Valya" was into both universes causing both ISS accidents? (She was also seen floating away in the Universe where "Paul Lancaster" survived. But since they made no spacewalk in the "Lancaster survives"-version and no one freed the body after the crash... where there two different versions of "dead Valya"? 3. Then there is the biggest Question about "Blue Jo": She seems to be at the ISS where the Pad of "Red Jo" is? If ESA-, or NASA-Astronauts or Russian Cosmonauts would start a salvation mission to the damaged ISS what (or who) will they find? 4. Again, "Dead Valya". "Dead Valya" seems not to be just a "Hallucination or Vision" but she must have communicated, since "Alice" knows her name. And she seems to "haunt" people for her own reasons. Is it possible that "Dead Jo" will also start to haunt people? Both "Dead Valya" and "Dead Jo" have the same thing in common now: A dead body in space in the "entanglement zone" and a living counterpart in the wrong universe. 5. In the very last scene, "Dead Jo" grabbed the I-Pad of "Red Jo". She can move and interact with physical objects. In both versions of the survivors, "Blue Paul" and "Red Jo", the ISS computer tells them, that the capsule can not undock, unless two person on the ISS do the needed work manually. "Undead Red Jo", who can grab and hold I-Pads, may be the explaination why the capsule undocked. But I think the message, how TWO PERSONS were necessary to undock the capsule, was a hint? Maybe "Undead Jo" is not alone on the ISS? 6. Since "Undead Blue Jo" is able to move and interact with objects, is it possible that "Undead Valya" was also able to do this and crashed into the ISS on purpose, for her own reasons? I mean, maybe "Undead Valya" knows that "Red Valya/Irena" will soon die and she is afraid of what will happen to her when she is floating in her undead state forever when her living counterpart is dead? (So maybe crashing in he ISS was not a bad intention but she wanted to be found before "Red Valya/Irena" is dead?) I want a second season. Even if the show already seems more like a supernatural "Space Ghost Story" than a Science-Fiction-Story. (Also I love Noomi Rapace. So I want a second season anyway.)
I like the idea of Paul switching but my first interpretation was that he dreamed about his other self losing his arm and woke up from a nightmare in shock that it wasn’t real and that he had an arm, little does he know his dream was him living his other self’s experience.
it's entirely possible that they both old men are actually there due to that whole area upstairs being a very liminal looking space (similar to the cabin and both Alice's seeing each other).
I think the dates on those screens is an oversight. I think the time periods are all overlapping in the “present”. I also think that the ultrasound showing the same pattern as the CAL means that the baby could be the “new CAL” and produce the same effects (whatever those are). 🤷 I definitely didn’t love this finale but I did love the show.
There's also a time discrepancy when paul shows up to bud's and when bud dials 911. That's like three different edits the showrunners would have messed up. Doesn't seem likely.
If they do a second season, I hope the 'A' story is Paul/Henry trying to solve things in the red universe. Jo/Alice/Magnus feels done except for her baby, which can be the 'B' or 'C' story. I don't need to see much more from any of them. Jo and Alice have made peace with the situation, while Paul/Henry feel like they'd want to tackle the larger issue.
@@TheorySmack appreciate all your awesome videos on the series though, my wife and I watched each of them multiple times to try and figure out what was going on. It was a fun ride while it lasted. Best of luck to you with the next one, continued success!
Just started watching this vid. I’m certain the blue car at the end was a different model than the one in previous episodes. I believe this could point to multiples instead of just the two. Or maybe we’ve seen multiples for the whole series.
Since I was one of many who almost dreaded this final episode, having been hurt and betrayed by other finales (i.e. "Lost" syndrome), I enjoyed the episode, and found myself quite satisfied. Even more satisfied than the cop-out final episode of Manifest. That being said, I really enjoy the options for a possible season 2 -- but if it doesn't happen. I'm ok. I guess, just like Jo, I was placated by the ending. What a great series!! Thanks for your commentaries, Dizmodo!
One of the guy is the room says « Mama » the other one says « Бога нет » which is attributed to Yuri Gagarin and means there is no God (in the stars). You can even see poster of it in the nursery.
The only thing that didn't make sense was that the jo left in the station was still alive with half her head gone , they'll cover that up if it does happen and leave her there to die. The hard part was knowing she had no way of getting back , obviously the girls could still talk but the one who lost her mom was moving away and doing so it would probably break the link they had and the ignorant father just couldn't take his childs word for it , what I do with my family is put them first before anything else and try to help them find the truth what ever it may be , where's the unconditional love there ? The two were battling it alone in both worlds , the men were selfish and I didn't like those characters , that was the saddest thing to see Jo and Alice having to accept the fact that they were powerless . I was hoping that she would make her way back but that imposter smashed the atom and destroyed any possible future for returning to her world and there was no body to return to to begin with . We know our physical bodies are stuck in time and place, but we can move our consciousness into the fourth dimension so there is a way to travel through multiverse without the module, Atom , Meditation exercises used today take us into a much higher plain , why not into the next body . I guess this season is over , I'm hoping it has a second season , this is one of my favorites for shows.
I actually think these are continuity errors. I enjoyed the ride but I think the showed and i hated the ending. Nine minutes left for you to explain the ending to me. Lets see what happens.
I was thinking maybe the CAL had effects across time (since it is quantum), so retroactively affecting Henry/Bud and Irena, and even though it was destroyed it had already changed things in the future, explaining why it seemingly continues to have an effect, but idk. Why did Henry think his DNA would be different when clearly they swapped bodies (Bud has scars) as opposed to their whole bodies swapping places. I.e. he’s in the body that killed Paul.
Why do we think Irena said “my friends call me Valya”. Is she trying to trick Alice because she knows she has been seeing her in her dreams? It seemed on purpose that she said that …
Henry was in the liminal space so he wasn't actually "there", as such they didn't leave him they just never saw him, like Jo in the office scene. Paul coming back is the other Paul. The one who "died" in the other world. The 2 people above are the one in that universe and the other probably in the liminal space or in the other universe. If you look at the email list it's people from the production which is a nice nod - Daniel Rillmann, Anton Heidrich, Scott Kelly (astronaut advisor), Marcel Singer and so on. Finale was great, as, well, it's not a finale its just a pause before next season
This show did frustrate me at first, but I actually loved that it didn't spoon-feed us an overly simplistic narrative explaining what's going on, like Dark Matter has done so far. I enjoyed trying to figure out the different universes and the quantum-entangled counterparts to each character. The time discrepancies are the only thing that still frustrate me because that makes zero sense, the differences in the years that you pointed out. You actually noticed one that I haven't seen others notice and that I missed - the 2020 date. WTF? I think if they really intended to introduce different timelines in addition to different universes, that was foolish and nonsensical in an already deeply complex series. I think the astronauts were able to switch with their counterparts before the CAL existed simply because they were in space - there was a quote earlier in the season that said "there's something about space that is wrong." I believe the CAL device created a bridge for people to cross between universes to their quantum-entangled counterpart WHILE ON EARTH, not just in space, and that was a game changer. I think it also was capable of creating a liminal space between the universes where people could interact with their counterparts, which is why we saw the weird in-between universes at the cabin when the device was taken there. And Henry switched places with Bud because Henry was near the CAL device at the cabin and going through a high-stress experience at the same time as Bud, who had just shot Paul (another high-stress experience). Crossing over seems to require a bridge like the CAL and a high-stress or traumatic event occurring on both sides, in my opinion. I think if this show hadn't been canceled, the baby might have served as the new CAL, a bridge point between worlds, because it was conceived by people from two different universes.
When Henry asks if his dna spun the other way they had to say no. If it were mirror image the obvious giveaway would be organs on wrong side. But he would also die of starvation because of how our bodies use chiral (molecules that can’t be superimposed on their mirror images). They had to preempt that by saying even though the world is “the wrong way round” his body somehow down to the molecular level switched to the right way round even though his brain etc didn’t
Bud left overnight in the snow was a terrible way to start the finale. It made me expect all plot conveniences were going to be preposterous. I wish we had more answers but I understand they have to keep a lot of plot devices open for potential future seasons. Irena's memo was another eye-roller. Her whole career was keeping this super secret that she's now revealing in an email to ask someone if perchance they've noticed anything unusual? I think it was a writers' mistake for Irena to tell Jo that she can never get back. We know this isn't true because of the Bud/Henry switch. Jo's return was the driving narrative in all of season 1 and now that's gone? The new twins in the hospital and this weird memo just aren't enough enticement.
Irena told Jo there's only 1 upstairs. His traumatized personality split into 2 sides of the same coin. It's all a guess as to who the baby will be, but if the man upstairs is still living when the baby is born, then it won't be him reincarnating. We'll see. Irena's email didn't bother me, as we are each allowed to make new decisions based on insights. Maybe Jo's honesty & sharing with Irena that "It's you" (the dead cosmonaut) & then repeating what Irena said in space about the fire somehow triggered her to send the email. Who knows?
@@Cymonie1 I suppose if Jo got back home the show would end. And tbh I think she should have got home and the show should have ended. This is a *high concept drama* and I doubt it can sustain more than one season.
I noticed that no one payed attention to the last episode's name. So i'm gonna leave it here. It was: These fragments i have shored against my ruin. And it is by T.S Eliot. I was puzzled at first by the episode and then i saw the title and it all clicked.
I have to disagree that their show is way too much of a theatrical thriller for those clock times to be production mistakes. Sure, it happens, but I used to work in film, and in the editorial process, they always focus on that sort of continuity, and I think it's really important to the story
@@ObiWanShinobi67 Yes. I think that these are indications that Linear time is breaking down. And I also think this is a complication I could have done without.
So so much potential and yet it comes up empty. Lazy plot holes and random reveals that offer no substance. I can name about 10 different plot points that were started and left alone. Here’s some ghost tapes Bud reveals himself but it’s still IRREVERSIBLE? Lancaster comes back alive to beg for a second season RED ALICE GIVES UP ON HER MOM???? CHEATER ALICE IS ALIVE? RANDOM DOUBLE OLD MAN UPSTAIRS? ILYA SHOWS UP AGAIN BUT WE DONT GET TO LEARN WHAT HE LEARNED Just desperately throwing in plot points without any intention of explaining them.
They could have easily created a better ending for Alice, that leads her closer and gives us a direction to imagine. With that the rest wouldn't have been so infuriating.
I"m pretty sure that Ilya gave Jo the key for her to escape. She left the room with her winter coat on and started to unlock an exterior door, she hears the moaning from upstairs, back tracks to go upstairs and check it out, it's after she sees what she sees she freaks out and heads back to her room, relocks her door and hangs her coat up and curls up in bed.
@@rachelgrig9985 sure, but she doesn't need a big puffy down jacket to go upstairs, so my take is she intended to leave (not probably a smart plan unless she could steal a car, but still) she freaked after seeing two old dudes locked up and bailed on the escape plan. Ilya's nod could also mean get out of here or that upstairs could be you if you don't get out of here.
It was the same for me. After Henry waking up in the snow, ignored by the rescue units, I was distracted and I was waiting for an explanation the rest of the episode.
The viewer assumes there are only two realities and so we assume all the characters are doubles/swaps of one another. But they’re not. The main clue is that both astronauts are in different realities, which if there’s only one swap wouldn’t have happened - one astronaut would have remained in the same reality and the other would have swapped with their dead double. But everything has shifted for everyone. So as this realisation sinks in as the viewer I’m steadily coming to terms with the sheer hopelessness of it all. We’re never going home. So why is he left in the snow? Well that particular version in the particular reality may have never had the emergency services called out? Even Bud thinks the helix will spin the other way - he thinks we’re dealing with an antimatter kind of deal where everything is reversed. But that’s not the paradigm, infinite versions of them have all just shifted over to another reality. Honestly it gave me chills every time some kind of inconsistency happened.
I can get on board with this explanation, it feels all right in a wrong kind of way. Which is what a shifting of all the universes would feel like, methinks.
The CAL is an observational window into the multiverse and while it allows contact, it only is observational. While it isn’t spinning off universes itself, it is allowing opportunities for universes to be created through observation. it is a box for the cat to be placed in with the subjective output being life and death at the same time. As infinite universes are created with the direction of every acted on decision, this opens a window to discuss Schrödingers postulate through actions, experiences and consequences. The first astronaut, Irena, and Bud all went into “the cat box” with the additional perk of being able to observe the outcomes experientially becoming cognizant of their rolls in multiple entangled universes. All without the CAL. It appears that entanglement is exacerbated by the CAL as blue and red alice were able to take advantage of the observational bridges between universes by close contact with the CAL. It would be interesting to know what is the natural universe splitter that is occurring without the CAL to the astronauts, something to do with the magnetic field protecting us all from cognitively experiencing multiple universes. Perhaps?
I think that the "natural universe splitter" is the condition of liminality itself - the condition of not being observed - thus freeing the quantum nature of the universe from having to choose one reality over all others. I think that the CAL is a quantum computer - and quantum computers work on this exact principle - except that the CAL creates a superposition field that surrounds the people who are close to it.
Something that's really bugging me is: if dead Jo is actually alive, what oxygen is she breathing after several weeks when Paul/other Jo were literally running out before they left on Soyuz 1. And if she's dead, how is she not decomposing?? I'm even having my doubts about how "good" her body looked when Paul decided to leave her behind after what I think was at least 2 days dead.
Thank you for the breakdowns This ending didn’t bother me anywhere near as much but I do agree that more questions were created. I do think that the production of this show had some issues that resulted in some continuity problems. I’ll give it another season as there’s definitely much more good than there is bad. I’ll watch again and this tune I’ll take my time, pausing and rewinding to play again scenes I need clarity with. Guess I’ll see if I get what I’m looking for lol
I think the point of the CAL as a crossing point is that it now creates a crossing point in your hands essentially, although they don't really understand how to trigger it yet. Because to that point, they only knew of space as being that "liminal place".
I think there is only ona man but Jo can see 2 realities at once hence two men : Thats why Urena says there is only one. Btw, somebody can explain the "fisheye" effect that appear throughout the whole show?
definitely a lot of questions in the air. Are those Twins her children if they calling mama to her some how? Also those tapes seem to play clear when near that device. Also Jo being alive and dead was strange for me but then again, someone unclamped the escape pod.
I got interested in this because it seemed like a quality show that was a limited series/mini series. I think the writers deliberately didn't tie off a lot of loose ends so they could leave the door open to a continuous series cash grab. IMHO when great shows are opened to more seasons it almost always turns into a direction less, jump the shark, hot mess. If they do a 2nd season I hope it's just to finish the story properly and end it.
Well if it’s only astronauts experiencing stuff how come Alice experiences what basically Henry/Bud does? She was ‘t in space… My husband theory is because she is observer… he also theorizes Henry is part of Irene’s universe, like he is Alice in her universe … coz he observed her death (did he?)
I think the “time jumps” are just quantum entanglement not only existing in different places at the same time, but in different times at the same time.
I really can’t accept how the last episode was conducted. It pass from physics and quantum mysteries to absolute mental health? Come one. This can’t be serious. The ep1 to ep7 was so nice… well developed. The script took a way out with bud and Henry changing places without answering nothing. Did not uncover the mysteries from government… ahhh I need to stop complaining… it will change or answer nothing.
Bud switched and then fell into snow but wasn’t seen cause it’s like hide and seek can’t be seen, so although we saw him in snow he was actually invisible.
I hope there is a season 2. Heaps of exciting ideas still to be fleshed out. Plus the ultrasound looks like the CAL image, not a fetus. I enjoyed the show and loved the actors so it could be a winner for Apple TV.
I got interested in this because it seemed like a quality show that was a limited series/mini series. I think the writers deliberately didn't tie off a lot of loose ends so they could leave the door open to a continuous series cash grab. IMHO when great shows are opened to more seasons it almost always turns into a direction less, jump the shark, hot mess. If they do a 2nd season I hope it's just to finish the story properly and end it.
My big presumption is that one-eyed Jo is the one who releases both Jo and Paul so they can return to Earth because we know from the two guys in the cell they can exist in the same dimension. We also know that Jo’s return is “wrong,” but does that mean Paul’s return is to the right dimension?
I'm of the opinion that both Relativity and Quantum Mechanics may be true to explain the aberrations in time. If time and position can be 'toyed' with, then almost anything is possible. To simplify matters for this story arc, some facets will have to be assumed to be true. That matter (people/machines) in the same space will act in tandem sometimes (in groups of twos or threes), and differ otherwise (red/blue/recorder melted). Since they are somehow connected, they will be able to sense each other. That ability to sense can vary in intensity even to a point where they inhabit the other version of themselves (Paul). Intense trauma seems to initiate some occurrences, a lost child, fire, explosions, death. Lithium would supress this. As one entity experiences injury so does the other, albeit marginally, and as one experiences ongoing life so does the other, even after physical death as transpired. It is hinted at that conflicting perceptions may lead to the creation of a duality which is then physically manifested (2 Cosmonauts). The aspect of time being non linear and fragmented, confirmed by time stamps are found on machines or Items which are affected by the entanglement (Video, door opening?, burning cabin).
I think jo is seeing both universes, one in each eye. There’s something hinted about her left eye, the eye the other Jo is missing. Maybe she’s able to see both versions of the old man upstairs. Also there is another cal device in the ISS behind the other Jo. And I think the shock therapy brought her back in the ISS in the same universe as Jo A. I’m guessing space IS a lineal space so she can move between them. She had to be the one who released the capsule for both Jo and Paul. So she’s been in the same space before. Maybe Jo can cross between them? I dont know but I’m hooked
Going way back but in the episode where Joe has to move all the batteries, she then goes back into the other side of the ISS with an oxygen tank and mask. I thought that was the reason that she couldn't work the whole time on the batteries was the oxygen so why didn't she use the oxygen tank to retrieve batteries
Those opening shots looked like a reference to Kubrick's "The Shining"; the camera hovers and pursues the car from a distance (like a ghost), and there's a ghostly vocalization in the soundtrack. I agree that there were too many loose ends and not enough pay off. Perhaps dead Jo undocked Soyuz 1 from the ISS station for alive Paul, and dead Paul undocked Soyuz 1 from the ISS station for alive Jo (because it required two people -- one in the capsule and one in the station). Dead Jo coming "back to life" and grabbing the iPad might hint at that.
Originally I assumed like you dead Jo unlocked for Paul and Paul's arm unlocked for Jo, but when Jo unlocks in episode 2 you can clearly see a full shadow figure (not just arm) and a woman in the ISS. I don't really have any theory or explanation for it.
I think the beginning was a nod to the shining, perhaps? The Cal is used for determining what could possibly be happening to cause the events to happen. The events happened before the Cal was created, so its not the cause. Bud and Valya were trying to find out how it happens. There are no continuity errors. Time and space are disrupted. Just because there are parallel timelines doesnt mean its the exact same date. Overall, i really didnt like the show. I was hoping for more.
you know whats funny i was accidentally watching 1st episode instead of 8th. when i saw them in space again i was like ohh 8th episode is also kind of repeat just like other episodes. after coming to last 5 min left i was like. this ending sucks it's just repeat with no further clues. then it DAWN on me, i was watching 1st episode again like stupid.
I will not be wasting any more time with this show. It’s starting to feel like that Bruce Willis flick… I see dead people! There will always be more questions than answers to quantum entanglement
It may be that The Cal can cause crossover events *before* it was created (because of quantum tunneling or something) but I admit that this is a stretch.
If we take the theory of an infinite number of alternate universes existing, each one differing ever so slightly from the one "next to it," then it all kinda makes sense. Problem with that is that there is literally no end to this show, it could run 6 quadrillion seasons, each presenting new alternate timelines, and while dizzying, there can be no true end to such a show.. which presents the producers with an interesting problem 😁 Let's hope there is at least ONE more season, but no more, as this risks turning the show into a mess of a maze, one which viewers will loose interest in. Sadly. Thus far it has been brilliant.
I thought there were two until the valya "confessed". I was honestly under the impression that there was a grander conspiracy afoot. But her confession was merely acknowledging that they know it happens, but not how and as far as they know it's irreversible. I think this would have been better as a limited series. More than a couple episodes in this season felt like filler. With the pacing being as flawed as it is and without a master manipulater I don't think I'll be coming back for a season 2. Or if I do watch it it'll be a binge after it's finished when I have nothing else to watch
More seriously, one says mama and the other Бога нет (which translated is there is no god). A slogan from Russian propaganda from the 60s. Searching on Google you find a poster with a drawing of a cosmonaut on a space walk and below it a church with the anti-religious slogan in the middle.
sloppy storytelling, and characters who are supposed to be astronauts for crying out loud, not asking simple questions to find the answers to situations that are terrifying them, the whole season was like this, and I lost faith in this show pretty quickly, i downloaded and fast forwarded most of the last 4 episode to the parts that seemed like they were moving the narrative foward, but it's just not a good show, and I doubt with how expensive this must have been to wrangle this cast, and the locations, and the special effects, that it's coming back for a season 2. the last shot of the ep was so cheap as a cliffhanger my eyes literally hurt with how much they rolled in their sockets.
Here's what i think. If you're even going to attempt to make a series involving complex multiple realities crossing over then you REALLY have to think it through and make sure it all connects and makes sense. This series comes across like it was overly ambitious and they just didn't have a handle on it. From the date errors on the screen (I think you're right that they just weren't paying attention to it) to pretty much everything else it's sloppy and ultimately I feel the same way your friend does. I felt it was a waste of time and it's one of the few shows I've seen where I actually don't care about a second season. I'd much rather see a second season of "Night Sky" or the new "Three Body Problem". This last episode of Constellation was also a snoozefest with lots of a filler for a finale. Listening to Alice's broken slow sentences made ME want to take those pills because it could drive you mad. Haha. This show was not good. I wish Ridley Scott didn't kill off Noomi's character so they could do a series with her following Prometheus. A million times more interesting than this.
I think Paul switched back when he woke up abruptly in the hospital because he was looking at his arms with great amazement. He lost his arm in the space accident. I think he somehow switched back to the other Paul.
The man/men that Jo see's at the facility is Vladimir Illyushin!
Illya says in ep3 while thy are walking to Paul's grave (after Jo shows them the pic of Irena in her USSR suit) "You know I heard from a guy that Gararin was not first in space. It was Vladimir Illyushin, But he crashed in China so they brought him home and locked him up."
@@Cymonie1that is what they want you to think...
@TheCrazykitty777, you definitely are a crazy kitty 777 😂
Yura, not Yuri? I'm not convinced 🤷♀
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I think the reason Henry/Bud was left in the snow and not rescued is because the emergency personnel couldn't see him, similar to when Jo was seemingly unseen or heard by the cleaners emptying her office. I think sometimes the characters phase out of whichever universe they're in temporarily, either as an after effect or a precursor to switching universes. 😊
Yes, my thinking also. Bud wasn't seen by the paramedics because he was in another reality.
I can get behind this. Also like when the Alice's are talking in the cupboard and neither Magnus or Jo can see them, only the tape recorder. @@kristineclevenger6705
Probably right... except why didn't he freeze to death if he was there overnight?
They may have been close to sunrise when they arrived.. so he did not have much exposer to freezing temperatures
I agree as when Henry/Bud got to the snow part both Alices where there in the distorted mirror space and Jo told other Alice to go back to her father, then shortly after that Jo was back in the second space ready to be rescued, but as Henry/Bud was not conscious he was still in that distorted mirror space until he woke up and everyone was gone.
This show really surprises me, iPad with infinite battery lives..
Underrated comment
How much time has passed in space?
And my iPad battery died just after the episode 😂
that's supposed to have happent right after Paul entered the capsule, she was reanimated and then helped him.
I think the CAL might be in Jo, that’s why she was able to see both men upstairs, also the way Paul was looking at both arms, (remember his arm was crushed in space) that may be the dead Paul back to life somehow and the dead Jo back alive somehow in space (remember they left the body up there)…I don’t know…but something about the CAL getting destroyed may have caused some funky quantum resurrections lol
this is a genius theory. the implication of Paul swapping though....is that the one who didn't die (and left Jo's body in space) is now buried 6ft underground. UNLESS the Paul who was shot actually died and the other Paul's consciousness shifted into this body since this universe is its "home" universe?
Jo definitely has a close relationship with the CAL, as does Alice & to some extent Magnus. They are linked as a family. My impression was that Paul was surveying the medical tubes attached to his arms, but I watched again & see the possibility of his seeing 2 intact arms also. I never accepted that Jo immediately died after the horrid eye injury. To me, her breathing indicated a comatose state. In that state can her subtle body leave & move around the ISS? She pushed the red button. Her body will decay, or does the CAL energy prolong the life force? It's all mysterious.
I think you are on to something wow. Would explain the fetus picture being the same pic as the CAL on the computer screen in the earlier episodes.
Paul came back with Jo
I believe there are 3 universe
I don’t expect last episode to explain everything but this one left so much out! Anyways, am I the only one who think Paul switched as well? The way he looked at his hands, looking surprised…oh well in two years when season 2 comes we may confirm.
Hmm, hadn't considered that for paul actually...maybe?
I agree, Paul switched
To me, Paul has a double. He worked closely with the CAL device.
@@TheorySmackI thought that was made clear in Episode 6?
@@stmusic2164 I think he meant, that Paul switched AGAIN, back in his original world (where the alive Jo is now). So the scene in episode 8, where he wakes up in the hospital and looks at his hands
The thing that pisses me off is how is Jo in the ISS alive in any way after her eye socket was sucked out into SPACE with assumingly a good part of her BRAIN !!!! Literally a gaping hole in her head how tf is she alive and how is the space station stable with that big ass hole in the window ???????
Superposition, alive and dead at the same time
Same way with the cat being dead and alive in the same space, except maybe for Jo and Irene they're both dead and alive (Alice's dreams for example)
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And Bud not dying of exposure outside during a freezing night.
I thought it was interesting that the red alice, as she left the house with her dad and was concluding to accept their reality was wearing a red-blue-yellow jacket. For me that’s hinting at accepting that all three states/realities exist.
Reminds me of how they dropped the ball with Lost but that show maintained its momentum for the first couple of seasons at least. The later seasons were designed to turn the intrigue up to 11. Eventually, things became so chaotic that they were incomprehensible even to the writers themselves.
I don't understand why Constellation didn't give us more exposition about the causes of the bizarre phenomenon that propelled the plot forward. That ending left us underwhelmed, like being denied just before climax (apologies for the rather vulgar analogy). Feeling obscurely worse, really.
The two men in the room is her being able to see both worlds at the same time, similar to the cabin. So that same man is probably in that same room in her original universe as well.
which one is original tho
@@Kj99x .. well I guess it depends from which side you are looking.
@@zissupa they could both be a branch of an original like dark
That was what I think
too
I think the comment made to Joe about her not letting the mystery go eventually leading to her “splitting into two” is inferring that when a person switches places with their counterpart of another universe and doesn’t mentally adapt to their new life in their new universe, it can lead to them somehow being susceptible to having the consciousnesses of themselves from both universes swapped.
Irene left the one universe in the 60s or whatever and went to the other and she maybe kept investing into what had happened to herself and it caused her to be alive in her new universe, as well as giving some form of animation or partial life into her corpse still orbiting in space though now occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart from the universe she now lives in.
I think that’s what we’re seeing with Paul waking up with so much surprise in the hospital bed at the end of the finale. We’re seeing maybe the mind of the Paul that died in space, returning to his proper universe where he’d just been shot by bud. Paul had kept asking questions and kept investigating and it opened him up to being displaced between universes.
In the article shown in the video above, the interview with the show runner also had him stating that the persons emotional state also played a factor in their ability to become displaced between universes.
Obviously the most blatant example is Joe herself. She’s the most emotionally distraught character and is experiencing the most displacement bleed-through. And in the end I think we’re seeing this causing her corpse on the iss in her origin universe to get some sort of life, though occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart as a result.
As an aside, I also concluded that the characters are being displaced between universes only in a psychological capacity. Their consciousnesses are moving but their bodies are remaining and being occupied by the consciousnesses of their counterparts. I think this explains why Joe can play the piano when she originally could not in her origin universe. I think the skill of playing an instrument is inferred to create a physical change the brain and that she inherited the skill as the new occupant of the brain that had learned to play the piano.
Damn. I’m like… 75% sure I just figured this thing out.
Something no one is mentioning is that there are three cassette players. We saw two in this episode, but one melted in the cabin fire. This further supports the idea that we've been watching three universes.
I was thinking the same with the "third Cabin", the colors and everything madme think it was some kind of "interdimentional connection point" but not exactly a dimension like the other 2
. Now that i think of it, there was a cat, then a dead cat, and both at the same place/time, might have been "the same" cat.
The writers confirmed there are only 2 universes
One of them is in the liminal space. You have universe A, universe B and liminal space where both exists together. I think!
Wouldn’t it be “four”, since one of them has a dead cat, an additional black cat, and the other abandoned cabin only has the one cat alive? I think it’s more like those universes’ “upside down” version of each other (like stranger things).
The cassette player thing confused the hell out of me. We saw one of them burn up and I think the other was dropped in the snow or something (I could be remembering wrong). Then in the finale we see both of them magically back in the homes of both Alices. I don't understand that at all. I also wonder why they had to communicate with each other that way. Henry and Bud, who are also quantum-entangled, communicated solely by talking to each other in the mirror, no cassette player needed. The Alices could see each other in the mirrors, but they needed the cassette player. I think that was probably just used as a fun plot device TBH. Finally, I found it strange that the Alices were quantum-entangled without having been to space. I could explain it if they only interacted when they were near the CAL but they interacted even when it wasn't around. I think one of their necklaces was up in space with Jo and then brought back, so maybe the necklace served as a bridge?
Is Jo having twins? Are the 2 men that call her mama her twins? I know I’m the only one that thinks this but I can’t get past them calling her mama just when she finds out she’s pregnant. I realize that for them to be Jo’s twins time cannot be linear. I there is theory that the past, present and future are all happening at the same time. Could this be happening on the show? Lots of questions! Oh so ISS Jo is half alive and half dead in the liminal reality. 🤷🏻♀️
All very good questions
This might be a reach but maybe time did get messed up with the Cal. Was the sonogram showing “twins” and were they the ones upstairs. The one saw her and kept calling her mamma.
I'd be lying if I said that thought didn't cross my mind, lol
That makes too much sense. Irena could be lying about him being the first man in space. She has no reason to come clean on anything except what she got caught on 😵💫
That's actually a pretty good theory.
woah..
so the baby she is carrying and the two men upstairs are the same person just different ages?
Jo’s ultrasound looks like the image of the cal device while active when Henry was trying to take a picture of it.
Yup. The baby is going to be a walking CAL device.
It’s the first mutant to be born
@@AfrooBlack It will be interesting to see the baby's experience of reality. My guess is that Season 2 will begin a few years into the future, when Alice's sibling can talk. Some people are finding this episode frustrating, but I find it to be many steps forward in revelations. My interest continues.
Will definately be some sort of mutant that can switch between realities
Now imagine if Jo has twins, instead of just one fetus, on top of the split, CAL universe/earth embryo ...?
My thoughts: Paul wakes up in the hospital room, but he wakes up as Red Paul, and is stunned to see he has his arm back. Red Joe is put back in the correct spot and wakes up in the ISS with one eye. Not shown, but Bud will likely wake up in a literal prison of his own making.
The two men in the room who call her MaMa will turn out to be her now unborn child exisiting in the moment and spit in two as coming from both worlds.and is a time shift
break into two could mean, if you don't forget about the 2 realities, you might bring the other you over. The man calling Jo Mama could be another hint to indeed travelling in time - pregnant with twins. To me the whole show looks like as if somebody watched Dark and then said, hey, we can do this too :D
That’s exactly what I felt like except Dark is vastly superior.
I guess the most confusing part was How Henry Exchanged the universe with Bud?
Bud stopped taking his pills. He was able to contact Henry to the point where he made him pee himself. Finally he crocced.
Saint Sergius, the hospital, is named after the duo of Sergius and Bacchus. They were 2 officers in the roman army who were secretly christian in a pagan world. These beliefs eventually became there death. Interesting choice of the writers to choose for these saints.
Excellent observation!
Thank you, so good to learn more about that.
I think the comment made to Joe about her not letting the mystery go eventually leading to her “splitting into two” is inferring that when a person switches places with their counterpart of another universe and doesn’t mentally adapt to their new life in their new universe, it can lead to them somehow being susceptible to having the consciousnesses of themselves from both universes swapped.
Irene left the one universe in the 60s or whatever and went to the other and she maybe kept investing into what had happened to herself and it caused her to be alive in her new universe, as well as giving some form of animation or partial life into her corpse still orbiting in space though now occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart from the universe she now lives in.
I think that’s what we’re seeing with Paul waking up with so much surprise in the hospital bed at the end of the finale. We’re seeing maybe the mind of the Paul that died in space, returning to his proper universe where he’d just been shot by bud. Paul had kept asking questions and kept investigating and it opened him up to being displaced between universes.
In the article shown in the video above, the interview with the show runner also had him stating that the persons emotional state also played a factor in their ability to become displaced between universes.
Obviously the most blatant example is Joe herself. She’s the most emotionally distraught character and is experiencing the most displacement bleed-through. And in the end I think we’re seeing this causing her corpse on the iss in her origin universe to get some sort of life, though occupied by the consciousness of her counterpart as a result.
As an aside, I also concluded that the characters are being displaced between universes only in a psychological capacity. Their consciousnesses are moving but their bodies are remaining and being occupied by the consciousnesses of their counterparts. I think this explains why Joe can play the piano when she originally could not in her origin universe. I think the skill of playing an instrument is inferred to create a physical change the brain and that she inherited the skill as the new occupant of the brain that had learned to play the piano.
Damn. I’m like… 75% sure I just figured this thing out.
This is very plausible!!
That was a pretty good breakdown.
Thank heavens for your 75%, that really helped me a lot, so thank you for thinking that through and for writing it out in such a coherent way - I will need to reread it a few times to make sure I fully understand this show. Phew, sci-fi can be a mindfugg at times!
If the dates are wrong, Art Department and the Script Supervisor HAVE to be on top of that shit, especially in shows like this.
I think it's intentional. When paul showed up to bud's his car time was 2200. When "bud" dialed 911 his phone said 2100. No way they messed up three different edits. Unless bud was in a different time zone.
One idea I had about why Valya and Jo are alive, even though their body is essentially dead... the thought being that since THAT body's consciousness swapped with the alternate universe, then she cannot die unless her consciousness is brought back to her body. Since the consciousness that belongs to the body she currently inhabits is in HER original body, then theoretically the consciousness is still alive, but in a dead body.
It seems very plausible considering Irena said she felt like "floating endlessly around the earth"... which her actual body is doing in that moment. So it would make since that Valya is manipulating Alice somehow in the hopes of eventually getting back to her own body.
I think "Blue Jo" is dead. At least as dead as "Blue Irena/Valya".
1. There was not really an explaination why "Red Jo", "Henry" and maybe both "Alice-Versions" had moments when they saw the mummified "Valya"?
2. There was also not an explaination how the dead body of "Valya" was into both universes causing both ISS accidents? (She was also seen floating away in the Universe where "Paul Lancaster" survived. But since they made no spacewalk in the "Lancaster survives"-version and no one freed the body after the crash... where there two different versions of "dead Valya"?
3. Then there is the biggest Question about "Blue Jo": She seems to be at the ISS where the Pad of "Red Jo" is?
If ESA-, or NASA-Astronauts or Russian Cosmonauts would start a salvation mission to the damaged ISS what (or who) will they find?
4. Again, "Dead Valya". "Dead Valya" seems not to be just a "Hallucination or Vision" but she must have communicated, since "Alice" knows her name.
And she seems to "haunt" people for her own reasons.
Is it possible that "Dead Jo" will also start to haunt people? Both "Dead Valya" and "Dead Jo" have the same thing in common now: A dead body in space in the "entanglement zone" and a living counterpart in the wrong universe.
5. In the very last scene, "Dead Jo" grabbed the I-Pad of "Red Jo". She can move and interact with physical objects.
In both versions of the survivors, "Blue Paul" and "Red Jo", the ISS computer tells them, that the capsule can not undock, unless two person on the ISS do the needed work manually.
"Undead Red Jo", who can grab and hold I-Pads, may be the explaination why the capsule undocked.
But I think the message, how TWO PERSONS were necessary to undock the capsule, was a hint? Maybe "Undead Jo" is not alone on the ISS?
6. Since "Undead Blue Jo" is able to move and interact with objects, is it possible that "Undead Valya" was also able to do this and crashed into the ISS on purpose, for her own reasons?
I mean, maybe "Undead Valya" knows that "Red Valya/Irena" will soon die and she is afraid of what will happen to her when she is floating in her undead state forever when her living counterpart is dead? (So maybe crashing in he ISS was not a bad intention but she wanted to be found before "Red Valya/Irena" is dead?)
I want a second season. Even if the show already seems more like a supernatural "Space Ghost Story" than a Science-Fiction-Story.
(Also I love Noomi Rapace. So I want a second season anyway.)
The womb = a liminal space? Also could you consider that 0 gravity?
I like the idea of Paul switching but my first interpretation was that he dreamed about his other self losing his arm and woke up from a nightmare in shock that it wasn’t real and that he had an arm, little does he know his dream was him living his other self’s experience.
or did the Paul who was shot die? If he did, then maybe the consciousness of the other Paul who was originally in this universe go back to this body?
it's entirely possible that they both old men are actually there due to that whole area upstairs being a very liminal looking space (similar to the cabin and both Alice's seeing each other).
I think the dates on those screens is an oversight. I think the time periods are all overlapping in the “present”. I also think that the ultrasound showing the same pattern as the CAL means that the baby could be the “new CAL” and produce the same effects (whatever those are). 🤷 I definitely didn’t love this finale but I did love the show.
That would be true if they never labeled one alice as 9 and the other 11
There's also a time discrepancy when paul shows up to bud's and when bud dials 911. That's like three different edits the showrunners would have messed up. Doesn't seem likely.
The CAL is preserving itself.
If they do a second season, I hope the 'A' story is Paul/Henry trying to solve things in the red universe. Jo/Alice/Magnus feels done except for her baby, which can be the 'B' or 'C' story. I don't need to see much more from any of them. Jo and Alice have made peace with the situation, while Paul/Henry feel like they'd want to tackle the larger issue.
This was awful. What a ridiculously disappointing finale.
Completely checking out of this.
Yeah...I can understand how you feel for sure
@@TheorySmack appreciate all your awesome videos on the series though, my wife and I watched each of them multiple times to try and figure out what was going on.
It was a fun ride while it lasted. Best of luck to you with the next one, continued success!
They said in episode 1 that time is slower in space. And there’s differences of time in the 2 realities
Just started watching this vid. I’m certain the blue car at the end was a different model than the one in previous episodes. I believe this could point to multiples instead of just the two. Or maybe we’ve seen multiples for the whole series.
Yeah, the car is different but I didn’t pick up on it at first!
Since I was one of many who almost dreaded this final episode, having been hurt and betrayed by other finales (i.e. "Lost" syndrome), I enjoyed the episode, and found myself quite satisfied. Even more satisfied than the cop-out final episode of Manifest. That being said, I really enjoy the options for a possible season 2 -- but if it doesn't happen. I'm ok. I guess, just like Jo, I was placated by the ending.
What a great series!! Thanks for your commentaries, Dizmodo!
One of the guy is the room says « Mama » the other one says « Бога нет » which is attributed to Yuri Gagarin and means there is no God (in the stars). You can even see poster of it in the nursery.
Thak you, I was wondering what Yuri was muttering.
The only thing that didn't make sense was that the jo left in the station was still alive with half her head gone , they'll cover that up if it does happen and leave her there to die.
The hard part was knowing she had no way of getting back , obviously the girls could still talk but the one who lost her mom was moving away and doing so it would probably break the link they had and the ignorant father just couldn't take his childs word for it , what I do with my family is put them first before anything else and try to help them find the truth what ever it may be , where's the unconditional love there ?
The two were battling it alone in both worlds , the men were selfish and I didn't like those characters , that was the saddest thing to see Jo and Alice having to accept the fact that they were powerless .
I was hoping that she would make her way back but that imposter smashed the atom and destroyed any possible future for returning to her world and there was no body to return to to begin with .
We know our physical bodies are stuck in time and place, but we can move our consciousness into the fourth dimension so there is a way to travel through multiverse without the module, Atom ,
Meditation exercises used today take us into a much higher plain , why not into the next body .
I guess this season is over , I'm hoping it has a second season , this is one of my favorites for shows.
Yeah, I’m with you. This had/has such an interesting premise, so I’d like to see where else they take it in a second season as well
I actually think these are continuity errors. I enjoyed the ride but I think the showed and i hated the ending. Nine minutes left for you to explain the ending to me. Lets see what happens.
I was thinking maybe the CAL had effects across time (since it is quantum), so retroactively affecting Henry/Bud and Irena, and even though it was destroyed it had already changed things in the future, explaining why it seemingly continues to have an effect, but idk. Why did Henry think his DNA would be different when clearly they swapped bodies (Bud has scars) as opposed to their whole bodies swapping places. I.e. he’s in the body that killed Paul.
Why do we think Irena said “my friends call me Valya”. Is she trying to trick Alice because she knows she has been seeing her in her dreams? It seemed on purpose that she said that …
Henry was in the liminal space so he wasn't actually "there", as such they didn't leave him they just never saw him, like Jo in the office scene.
Paul coming back is the other Paul. The one who "died" in the other world.
The 2 people above are the one in that universe and the other probably in the liminal space or in the other universe.
If you look at the email list it's people from the production which is a nice nod - Daniel Rillmann, Anton Heidrich, Scott Kelly (astronaut advisor),
Marcel Singer and so on.
Finale was great, as, well, it's not a finale its just a pause before next season
This show did frustrate me at first, but I actually loved that it didn't spoon-feed us an overly simplistic narrative explaining what's going on, like Dark Matter has done so far. I enjoyed trying to figure out the different universes and the quantum-entangled counterparts to each character. The time discrepancies are the only thing that still frustrate me because that makes zero sense, the differences in the years that you pointed out. You actually noticed one that I haven't seen others notice and that I missed - the 2020 date. WTF? I think if they really intended to introduce different timelines in addition to different universes, that was foolish and nonsensical in an already deeply complex series.
I think the astronauts were able to switch with their counterparts before the CAL existed simply because they were in space - there was a quote earlier in the season that said "there's something about space that is wrong." I believe the CAL device created a bridge for people to cross between universes to their quantum-entangled counterpart WHILE ON EARTH, not just in space, and that was a game changer. I think it also was capable of creating a liminal space between the universes where people could interact with their counterparts, which is why we saw the weird in-between universes at the cabin when the device was taken there. And Henry switched places with Bud because Henry was near the CAL device at the cabin and going through a high-stress experience at the same time as Bud, who had just shot Paul (another high-stress experience). Crossing over seems to require a bridge like the CAL and a high-stress or traumatic event occurring on both sides, in my opinion. I think if this show hadn't been canceled, the baby might have served as the new CAL, a bridge point between worlds, because it was conceived by people from two different universes.
When Henry asks if his dna spun the other way they had to say no. If it were mirror image the obvious giveaway would be organs on wrong side. But he would also die of starvation because of how our bodies use chiral (molecules that can’t be superimposed on their mirror images). They had to preempt that by saying even though the world is “the wrong way round” his body somehow down to the molecular level switched to the right way round even though his brain etc didn’t
Bud left overnight in the snow was a terrible way to start the finale. It made me expect all plot conveniences were going to be preposterous. I wish we had more answers but I understand they have to keep a lot of plot devices open for potential future seasons. Irena's memo was another eye-roller. Her whole career was keeping this super secret that she's now revealing in an email to ask someone if perchance they've noticed anything unusual? I think it was a writers' mistake for Irena to tell Jo that she can never get back. We know this isn't true because of the Bud/Henry switch. Jo's return was the driving narrative in all of season 1 and now that's gone? The new twins in the hospital and this weird memo just aren't enough enticement.
Very much so agree with you
You going to be able to make it to the live stream?
Irena told Jo there's only 1 upstairs. His traumatized personality split into 2 sides of the same coin. It's all a guess as to who the baby will be, but if the man upstairs is still living when the baby is born, then it won't be him reincarnating. We'll see. Irena's email didn't bother me, as we are each allowed to make new decisions based on insights. Maybe Jo's honesty & sharing with Irena that "It's you" (the dead cosmonaut) & then repeating what Irena said in space about the fire somehow triggered her to send the email. Who knows?
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I suppose if Jo got back home the show would end.
And tbh I think she should have got home and the show should have ended.
This is a *high concept drama* and I doubt it can sustain more than one season.
I noticed that no one payed attention to the last episode's name. So i'm gonna leave it here. It was: These fragments i have shored against my ruin. And it is by T.S Eliot. I was puzzled at first by the episode and then i saw the title and it all clicked.
How does it make it click? Please explain, I am really interested..
I have to disagree that their show is way too much of a theatrical thriller for those clock times to be production mistakes. Sure, it happens, but I used to work in film, and in the editorial process, they always focus on that sort of continuity, and I think it's really important to the story
Yes. There's at least three different different scenes. No way they screw up that much.
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Yes.
I think that these are indications that Linear time is breaking down.
And I also think this is a complication I could have done without.
the emergency crew didnt take Henry (Bud) bcz they couldnt see him...overlapping dimensions
So so much potential and yet it comes up empty. Lazy plot holes and random reveals that offer no substance. I can name about 10 different plot points that were started and left alone.
Here’s some ghost tapes
Bud reveals himself but it’s still IRREVERSIBLE?
Lancaster comes back alive to beg for a second season
RED ALICE GIVES UP ON HER MOM????
CHEATER ALICE IS ALIVE?
RANDOM DOUBLE OLD MAN UPSTAIRS?
ILYA SHOWS UP AGAIN BUT WE DONT GET TO LEARN WHAT HE LEARNED
Just desperately throwing in plot points without any intention of explaining them.
They could have easily created a better ending for Alice, that leads her closer and gives us a direction to imagine. With that the rest wouldn't have been so infuriating.
Jo can see both worlds one with each eye. Blue world with left eye and Red world with right eye.
can you expand on this? what causes you to come to this conclusion?
I"m pretty sure that Ilya gave Jo the key for her to escape. She left the room with her winter coat on and started to unlock an exterior door, she hears the moaning from upstairs, back tracks to go upstairs and check it out, it's after she sees what she sees she freaks out and heads back to her room, relocks her door and hangs her coat up and curls up in bed.
After Ilya gave her the key he looked up, in an exaggerated manner, hinting that Joe should check out what’s going on upstairs, aka the screaming man
@@rachelgrig9985 sure, but she doesn't need a big puffy down jacket to go upstairs, so my take is she intended to leave (not probably a smart plan unless she could steal a car, but still) she freaked after seeing two old dudes locked up and bailed on the escape plan. Ilya's nod could also mean get out of here or that upstairs could be you if you don't get out of here.
It was the same for me. After Henry waking up in the snow, ignored by the rescue units, I was distracted and I was waiting for an explanation the rest of the episode.
the pills keep them in place and stops them changing persona\diffrent versions
Or it keeps their minds from getting confused which conscience is which.
The viewer assumes there are only two realities and so we assume all the characters are doubles/swaps of one another. But they’re not. The main clue is that both astronauts are in different realities, which if there’s only one swap wouldn’t have happened - one astronaut would have remained in the same reality and the other would have swapped with their dead double. But everything has shifted for everyone. So as this realisation sinks in as the viewer I’m steadily coming to terms with the sheer hopelessness of it all. We’re never going home. So why is he left in the snow? Well that particular version in the particular reality may have never had the emergency services called out? Even Bud thinks the helix will spin the other way - he thinks we’re dealing with an antimatter kind of deal where everything is reversed. But that’s not the paradigm, infinite versions of them have all just shifted over to another reality. Honestly it gave me chills every time some kind of inconsistency happened.
I can get on board with this explanation, it feels all right in a wrong kind of way. Which is what a shifting of all the universes would feel like, methinks.
The CAL is an observational window into the multiverse and while it allows contact, it only is observational. While it isn’t spinning off universes itself, it is allowing opportunities for universes to be created through observation. it is a box for the cat to be placed in with the subjective output being life and death at the same time. As infinite universes are created with the direction of every acted on decision, this opens a window to discuss Schrödingers postulate through actions, experiences and consequences. The first astronaut, Irena, and Bud all went into “the cat box” with the additional perk of being able to observe the outcomes experientially becoming cognizant of their rolls in multiple entangled universes. All without the CAL. It appears that entanglement is exacerbated by the CAL as blue and red alice were able to take advantage of the observational bridges between universes by close contact with the CAL. It would be interesting to know what is the natural universe splitter that is occurring without the CAL to the astronauts, something to do with the magnetic field protecting us all from cognitively experiencing multiple universes. Perhaps?
I think that the "natural universe splitter" is the condition of liminality itself - the condition of not being observed - thus freeing the quantum nature of the universe from having to choose one reality over all others. I think that the CAL is a quantum computer - and quantum computers work on this exact principle - except that the CAL creates a superposition field that surrounds the people who are close to it.
Bold prediction: The two men upstairs are both Jo's son - who she is pregnant with.
Wha wha whaaaaaa??
This does appear to be the case.
This finale has definitely left linear time behind it.
Something that's really bugging me is: if dead Jo is actually alive, what oxygen is she breathing after several weeks when Paul/other Jo were literally running out before they left on Soyuz 1. And if she's dead, how is she not decomposing?? I'm even having my doubts about how "good" her body looked when Paul decided to leave her behind after what I think was at least 2 days dead.
So is Irena the dead cosmoaut?
Yep
Thank you for the breakdowns This ending didn’t bother me anywhere near as much but I do agree that more questions were created. I do think that the production of this show had some issues that resulted in some continuity problems. I’ll give it another season as there’s definitely much more good than there is bad. I’ll watch again and this tune I’ll take my time, pausing and rewinding to play again scenes I need clarity with. Guess I’ll see if I get what I’m looking for lol
I think the point of the CAL as a crossing point is that it now creates a crossing point in your hands essentially, although they don't really understand how to trigger it yet. Because to that point, they only knew of space as being that "liminal place".
In the end blue Alice called Jo “Mamma”
I'm assuming that the CAL device is just an amplifier.
I think there is only ona man but Jo can see 2 realities at once hence two men : Thats why Urena says there is only one. Btw, somebody can explain the "fisheye" effect that appear throughout the whole show?
definitely a lot of questions in the air. Are those Twins her children if they calling mama to her some how? Also those tapes seem to play clear when near that device. Also Jo being alive and dead was strange for me but then again, someone unclamped the escape pod.
Good points.
What do you think of the twins?
Why did one of the men that's locked called Jo "MAMMA"... could he or they be Jo's future child? (time loop)
He could be left there, because he may be was invisible like Jo was befor....
but i agree, i was confused too
:( no explanation actually, but cannot blame for that, what could you do... nothing, you are who you are man..
I got interested in this because it seemed like a quality show that was a limited series/mini series. I think the writers deliberately didn't tie off a lot of loose ends so they could leave the door open to a continuous series cash grab. IMHO when great shows are opened to more seasons it almost always turns into a direction less, jump the shark, hot mess. If they do a 2nd season I hope it's just to finish the story properly and end it.
Well if it’s only astronauts experiencing stuff how come Alice experiences what basically Henry/Bud does? She was ‘t in space… My husband theory is because she is observer… he also theorizes Henry is part of Irene’s universe, like he is Alice in her universe … coz he observed her death (did he?)
I think the “time jumps” are just quantum entanglement not only existing in different places at the same time, but in different times at the same time.
I really can’t accept how the last episode was conducted. It pass from physics and quantum mysteries to absolute mental health? Come one. This can’t be serious.
The ep1 to ep7 was so nice… well developed. The script took a way out with bud and Henry changing places without answering nothing. Did not uncover the mysteries from government… ahhh I need to stop complaining… it will change or answer nothing.
Who is the father?? Since the baby is only 4 weeks old -- the only male she had access to was Paul.
Bud switched and then fell into snow but wasn’t seen cause it’s like hide and seek can’t be seen, so although we saw him in snow he was actually invisible.
I hope there is a season 2. Heaps of exciting ideas still to be fleshed out. Plus the ultrasound looks like the CAL image, not a fetus. I enjoyed the show and loved the actors so it could be a winner for Apple TV.
This finale was so boring.Nothing explained.Cmon was hoping for so much more
this whole season was a mindfuck with way more questions than answers , not happy with how it ended
I got interested in this because it seemed like a quality show that was a limited series/mini series. I think the writers deliberately didn't tie off a lot of loose ends so they could leave the door open to a continuous series cash grab. IMHO when great shows are opened to more seasons it almost always turns into a direction less, jump the shark, hot mess. If they do a 2nd season I hope it's just to finish the story properly and end it.
Bud had head lacerations while Henry didn’t, just like the 2 men upstairs
My big presumption is that one-eyed Jo is the one who releases both Jo and Paul so they can return to Earth because we know from the two guys in the cell they can exist in the same dimension. We also know that Jo’s return is “wrong,” but does that mean Paul’s return is to the right dimension?
I'm of the opinion that both Relativity and Quantum Mechanics may be true to explain the aberrations in time. If time and position can be 'toyed' with, then almost anything is possible. To simplify matters for this story arc, some facets will have to be assumed to be true. That matter (people/machines) in the same space will act in tandem sometimes (in groups of twos or threes), and differ otherwise (red/blue/recorder melted). Since they are somehow connected, they will be able to sense each other. That ability to sense can vary in intensity even to a point where they inhabit the other version of themselves (Paul). Intense trauma seems to initiate some occurrences, a lost child, fire, explosions, death. Lithium would supress this. As one entity experiences injury so does the other, albeit marginally, and as one experiences ongoing life so does the other, even after physical death as transpired. It is hinted at that conflicting perceptions may lead to the creation of a duality which is then physically manifested (2 Cosmonauts). The aspect of time being non linear and fragmented, confirmed by time stamps are found on machines or Items which are affected by the entanglement (Video, door opening?, burning cabin).
I'm definitely up for season 2, didnt mind the ambiguity of the ending
The two man could be Jo sons who she is pregnant since she is pregnant with looks like twins
Paul woke up and seemed confused about having two hands. Is it possible one Paul died and the other shifted back to his original universe?
Seems like it
i could not get in to this apple sci fi at all and no season 2 for me - 2 realities ? i don't know or care....
I think jo is seeing both universes, one in each eye. There’s something hinted about her left eye, the eye the other Jo is missing. Maybe she’s able to see both versions of the old man upstairs. Also there is another cal device in the ISS behind the other Jo. And I think the shock therapy brought her back in the ISS in the same universe as Jo A. I’m guessing space IS a lineal space so she can move between them. She had to be the one who released the capsule for both Jo and Paul. So she’s been in the same space before. Maybe Jo can cross between them? I dont know but I’m hooked
Going way back but in the episode where Joe has to move all the batteries, she then goes back into the other side of the ISS with an oxygen tank and mask. I thought that was the reason that she couldn't work the whole time on the batteries was the oxygen so why didn't she use the oxygen tank to retrieve batteries
this was a useless video and full of silly misconceptions, its like he put no work into it
Those opening shots looked like a reference to Kubrick's "The Shining"; the camera hovers and pursues the car from a distance (like a ghost), and there's a ghostly vocalization in the soundtrack.
I agree that there were too many loose ends and not enough pay off. Perhaps dead Jo undocked Soyuz 1 from the ISS station for alive Paul, and dead Paul undocked Soyuz 1 from the ISS station for alive Jo (because it required two people -- one in the capsule and one in the station). Dead Jo coming "back to life" and grabbing the iPad might hint at that.
Originally I assumed like you dead Jo unlocked for Paul and Paul's arm unlocked for Jo, but when Jo unlocks in episode 2 you can clearly see a full shadow figure (not just arm) and a woman in the ISS. I don't really have any theory or explanation for it.
Thought of "The Shining" also.
I think the beginning was a nod to the shining, perhaps?
The Cal is used for determining what could possibly be happening to cause the events to happen. The events happened before the Cal was created, so its not the cause. Bud and Valya were trying to find out how it happens.
There are no continuity errors. Time and space are disrupted. Just because there are parallel timelines doesnt mean its the exact same date.
Overall, i really didnt like the show. I was hoping for more.
Ah yes, a nod to the shining for sure
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Why Alice was seeing valya in her dreams even before meeting red joe despite she has never been space
By the way I just found your youtube... I really really like your reviews.... Have you happened to do one on the t v show SEVERANCE
Welcome!
I wasn’t doing YT when Severance aired. But I’ll definitely be covering next season!
you know whats funny i was accidentally watching 1st episode instead of 8th.
when i saw them in space again i was like ohh 8th episode is also kind of repeat just like other episodes. after coming to last 5 min left i was like. this ending sucks it's just repeat with no further clues.
then it DAWN on me, i was watching 1st episode again like stupid.
🤭🤭🤭do u have Alzheimer huh
I will not be wasting any more time with this show. It’s starting to feel like that Bruce Willis flick… I see dead people! There will always be more questions than answers to quantum entanglement
That movie explained everything though. Bad example.
It may be that The Cal can cause crossover events *before* it was created (because of quantum tunneling or something) but I admit that this is a stretch.
maybe the two men are her sons ... they say "mamma"...
If we take the theory of an infinite number of alternate universes existing, each one differing ever so slightly from the one "next to it," then it all kinda makes sense. Problem with that is that there is literally no end to this show, it could run 6 quadrillion seasons, each presenting new alternate timelines, and while dizzying, there can be no true end to such a show.. which presents the producers with an interesting problem 😁 Let's hope there is at least ONE more season, but no more, as this risks turning the show into a mess of a maze, one which viewers will loose interest in. Sadly. Thus far it has been brilliant.
The creator of the show says there are only 2 universes and a liminal space in this story.
Do we know if there will be a other series? I got the feeling it was a limited series?
I thought there were two until the valya "confessed". I was honestly under the impression that there was a grander conspiracy afoot. But her confession was merely acknowledging that they know it happens, but not how and as far as they know it's irreversible.
I think this would have been better as a limited series. More than a couple episodes in this season felt like filler. With the pacing being as flawed as it is and without a master manipulater I don't think I'll be coming back for a season 2. Or if I do watch it it'll be a binge after it's finished when I have nothing else to watch
If the men locked in the room call Joe Mama, maybe they are two-dimensional twins she is pregnant with. 🤔
More seriously, one says mama and the other Бога нет (which translated is there is no god). A slogan from Russian propaganda from the 60s. Searching on Google you find a poster with a drawing of a cosmonaut on a space walk and below it a church with the anti-religious slogan in the middle.
In episode 7 toy recorder clearly burned in a cabin fire, but in episode 8 in both red and blue worlds the recorder is fine. How come?
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sloppy storytelling, and characters who are supposed to be astronauts for crying out loud, not asking simple questions to find the answers to situations that are terrifying them, the whole season was like this, and I lost faith in this show pretty quickly, i downloaded and fast forwarded most of the last 4 episode to the parts that seemed like they were moving the narrative foward, but it's just not a good show, and I doubt with how expensive this must have been to wrangle this cast, and the locations, and the special effects, that it's coming back for a season 2. the last shot of the ep was so cheap as a cliffhanger my eyes literally hurt with how much they rolled in their sockets.
Here's what i think. If you're even going to attempt to make a series involving complex multiple realities crossing over then you REALLY have to think it through and make sure it all connects and makes sense. This series comes across like it was overly ambitious and they just didn't have a handle on it. From the date errors on the screen (I think you're right that they just weren't paying attention to it) to pretty much everything else it's sloppy and ultimately I feel the same way your friend does. I felt it was a waste of time and it's one of the few shows I've seen where I actually don't care about a second season. I'd much rather see a second season of "Night Sky" or the new "Three Body Problem". This last episode of Constellation was also a snoozefest with lots of a filler for a finale. Listening to Alice's broken slow sentences made ME want to take those pills because it could drive you mad. Haha. This show was not good. I wish Ridley Scott didn't kill off Noomi's character so they could do a series with her following Prometheus. A million times more interesting than this.
I read somewhere this was only meant to be a limited series , but clearly we NEED a season 2
I think Paul switched back when he woke up abruptly in the hospital because he was looking at his arms with great amazement. He lost his arm in the space accident. I think he somehow switched back to the other Paul.
I’m dying to know what he saw!