"I never would" - Doctor after stopping himself from shooting the man that KILLED HIS DAUGHTER *Pew pew* - Doctor shooting man telling him saving the girl he likes is a bad idea
this is why i have a problem with this episode just like the fact that moffet shovels the fact that clara is the best companion ever in our troaths... i really like most episodes from him, but that one just contradicts so much.....
That's because he isn't the doctor right there. he's the hybrid. "I went too far, I became the hybrid." And besides that line is bollocks anyway, the doctor has killed before. It just further proves why 10 is the worst doctor.
You missed the point of it being between "his daughter" and a "girl he likes". I liked Clara (believe it or not) but it just doesn't feel earned especially considering the various reactions to other companions dying/being forcefully removed.
Frazamatron Jenny isn't really the doctor's daughter. She is a person created using the doctor's dna. When other people create a new person they don't have a connection to them, they are just soldiers. Lets look at other companions, rose has a happy life in the parallel world, Martha is with Mickey, Donna has lost her memories, but is still fine, Amy and Rory lived a happy life together before dying. Clara is the only companion in recent memory to flat out die (before the doctor intervenes). The doctor knew Jenny for what, less than a day? The doctor and clara travelled for at least 3 years from a real word perspective, but who knows how long they spent in the TARDIS. Not to mention clara' s role in the name of the doctor.
+thejamsterx that from i hybrid is not confirmed i thought... there are a lot of other compinations that cpuld be the hybrid, or i remember it wrong.... Me en the doctor etc
what i've often wondered about fans who r passionate about how bad certain episodes are is , do they dislike them enough that if they were no longer available would they mind if they were no longer available ? I first thought this when the dr. who appreciation society was ripping on Trial of a Timelord (which I love by the way) , because remember this has happened b4 with certain 1st and 2nd Doctor Who stories THAT GOT WIPED which people complain about understandably . The answer to my own question I think is I would mind , after all Doctor who is DOCTOR WHO . But others might fink different .
I think an awful lot of us wanted to pretend that the Telemovie wasn't canon, until Human Nature firmly established it was, but that's because it's disconnectedness made it feel optional. No one ever tried to claim that, say, Timelash was non-canonical, however awful it may be.
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I adore Clara, she is one of my favourite companions, but I COMPLETELY agree with your views on Hell Bent. After Face the Raven I was so pleased with her ending and it was such a fitting death imo. With Hell Bent, I was confused then annoyed that her fans (like myself) had been robbed of that beautiful ending - along with the whole message that Clara became too much like the Doctor and that's what killed her, but instead she gets rewarded with her own TARDIS and a life as long as she wants. Honestly, WTH was Moffat trying to do with her?
I was a Clara fan. I thought that her entire history behind the character and buildup was perfect, but as I told many people the only way the character can receive justice once Jenna wants to leave, is to kill her. She has to die otherwise I would not accept her departure. She meant too much, done too much for The Doctor to not be given the exit she deserved. Truly sad that she was revived.
I despised Clara it was like rose only worse in someways. Instead of this being a one off plot that ruins one Doctors run that you can flush down the memory hole...it retcons and spits on everything in the history of Doctor Who.I was happy to see her go but then they undermine it by giving them bullshit fairy tale endings. They pushed the new companions like Vince pushed cena he was and is mid card at best and they use him to tie the record of Ric Flair on top of not recognizing Ric’s runs with The WCW international Title because it is “a second worlds title” even though they have had two worlds titles since early days the brand spilt.Companions were never supposed to mean that much to the show even the Doctors Granddaughter wasn’t treated like the main character to this degree. The Doctor and his adventures should be the main course companions are just the condiments sure some combinations work better then others but at the end of the day no one wants a salad with so much dressing it looks likes like a bowl of cereal.
Honestly, that final rant about Hellbent pretty much sums up my biggest grip with most of the companions in NewWho, because it sorta of applies to almost all of them. It's this recurrent motif of the companion always being this special snowflake and the most important person the doctor has ever met to the point that he's completely torn apart, left devastated, broken, and an empty shell of himself when they depart. And baring Martha, the NewWho companion never really just get exit the series gracefully anymore, never get to just decide they are done with adventures in time and space, never get choose to settle down and return to a normal life. No it always has to be this huge drawn out and heart wrenching ordeal wherein through what ever plot contravenes the writers have come up with this time the Doctor will NEVER be able to see them again... and I'm just getting so sick of it. Sure, it's always a bit "sad" for us as an audience when our favorite actors leave the show, but that doesn't mean that every goddam exit of every companion, and every Doctor for that matter, has to be treated in narative like a goddamn end of the world TRAGEDY. It's called LIFE, people, suck it up and move on.
I think one of my biggest issues with Moffat's time as showrunner is he kept trying to recapture his strongest moments by reusing pieces from those episodes instead of utilizing the originality that made them special to begin with. Blink was an INCREDIBLE episode, and part of why it's so amazing is that as an audience we never really get a full grasp on the angels, they are an unknown and terrifying as a result. And then they're just a rehashed monster of the week "but there's a lot of them so it's okay". I mean the moment with Amy and Rory is amazing, but overall it just doesn't feel like they were used well. Similarly, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, FANTASTIC episodes, the Vashta Nerata is incredible, River Song is amazing in her initial incarnation, the face-statue things are really awesome, the Donna Statue moment is amazing. And then River is just another off-and-on companion with some forced moments who never really gets back to the level of "This is what she means to the doctor" that Moffat originally sets in tone in just two episodes. She's FUN she's ENTERTAINING, but never in the same light. I guess what it boils down to for me is he's a fantastic idea-man. He can be amazing at capturing a story, but as a showrunner trying to tie it all together, he lacks.
When i watched Silence in the Library, i was expecting her to be full-on Doctor Companion somewhere between season 5-10, if that was the case, it would be much better
The reason I hated Hell Bent wasn't even because if the Clara stuff, it's that when the Doctor broke the wall in Heaven Sent and he had found Gallifrey I was so excited for the resolution of the story started in Day of the Doctor. I was excited for the episode all the way up until it was on and then for the Doctor retuning to Gallifrey to be such an insignificant event and part of the episode after he established that was his goal after DotD was the most disappointing part for me. Then the Clara stuff was a complete mess and it just made for one of the most awful and disappointing issues in Moffats run.
Honestly, I totally agree. They also never brought back the real Clara in her frozen form for Twice Upon a Time, so the whole concept seemed like a bit of a waste. And the trailer got me hyped for a great triumphant return to Galifrey, not a hopeless excursion to arrogantly try to save my favourite companion. Not my least favourite episode by far, but it left a bitter taste in my mouth.
You see, I don't understand that. There could be no triumphant return. The Timelords just tortured the Doctor for 4.5 billion years. Him being happy for returning would make no sense.
The episode should have focused almost entirely on trying to depose Rassilon and redeeming the Timelords. Then him hunting down Ashildr at the end of the universe.
In my opinion, it took a great end to a character and threw it back into our faces. The writer made me cry for Clara and they just screwed it over. It undermines the character of the Doctor too, as it gives us many out of character moments. It undermines the losses of all of his former companions. How he lost Rose, Donna, Amy and Rory, and undoubtedly countless other companions from old Who. The episode just pissed me off.
Yeah, i was enjoying Hell Bent until the whole saving Clara thing. The Episode should have just been focusing on redeeming the Timelords and deposing Rassilon and then wrapping up his story with Ashildr.
Okay, why on Earth would you ding Deep Breath for “wasting” a dinosaur by burning it to death in a cruel manner? That’s the EXACT point! It makes the Doctor angry FOR THAT REASON. I mean, come on.
The weeping angels just should’ve been in “Blink” IMO because just like the silence, daleks, cybermen etc. They got less scary and everytime one of them came back for another episode, I just feel like saying why?
Honestly I really enjoyed Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone like the quality did go down a bit but there was still excitement and scares...and then in Angels of Manhattan and onward the quality just took a NOSEDIVE
1. Hell bent 2. Hell bent 3. Hell bent 4. Hell bent 5. Hell bent 6. Hell bent 7. Hell bent 8. Hell bent 9. Hell bent 10. The Doctor The widow and the wardrobe
i actually really liked hell bent and heaven sent. Much better if you count them as one. well they are one story with a not so good start As for The Doctor The widow and the wardrobe. Yes, worst doctor Who ep of all time. i couldn't even sit through it in one sitting
I think a story about the Doctor going to far and crossing the lines utterly grief stricken is a really really good idea. But in Hell Bent, there's no consequences to his actions. So it just makes it mean nothing. He doesn't feel bad for shooting the General, there's no repercussions from it. Nothing. So it makes it all rather meaningless and just detracts from the Doctor's character. Water's of Mars handled it so much better. The Doctor went to far, he tried to control time. And he was punished for it. It's a perfect example of how to do that sort of episode right. Hell Bent is the polar opposite.
Going back through these ranking videos so sorry for the reply on an old comment but you make such a great comparison with Hell Bent and Water's of Mars. Just think of the storylines that lead up to them. The Doctor's best friend, the most important person to him, becomes too much like him and it gets her killed. In the aftermath, he spends too much time alone without a companion and winds up going too far. At some point during the story, one of them will forget the other exists. Did I not just describe both stories? One of these happened in one episode, the other was technically built up over two series, though really only one with how often they changed who Clara was, and both, technically, had three episodes worth of payoff. Yet the one-episode version was better.
That Hell Bent rant was awesome! Now let's never speak about that dreadful piece of crap episode ever again. XD I also realized how Steven Moffat's best and worst episodes are right next to each other... kinda proves that he was a very inconsistent writer. But otherwise, great video and also is this is a thing now that every Sunday we get a Doctor Who video? If so, that's great! :)
I despise Clara and I hate how Moffat tried to make her the singular most important companion ever; I'm surprised that he didn't make her go back in time and invent TARDISes or something. And now she's functionally immortal. I wanna flip off Moffat for that shit too.
+BSK Just ignore him. He's either a troll, or more likely he's one of the (insanely rare, it needs to be stressed) exceptions to the rule that all opinions are worth considering. Essentially, he's just salty that *any* Episode from the writer he has chosen to hate without any room left for rhyme or reason, has gotten near-Universal acclaim, and so he endlessly spews baseless bile on any that fit that category. Which would include _Blink_ (and all 4 stories from the Russell T. Davies Era actually), _The Day of the Doctor_ and _Heaven Sent_ . So, yeah, just ignore him.
+Orthodox plum _"Or, or maybe he just doesn’t like the episodes that much at all, ever consider that ?"_ As a matter of fact, I have considered that, yes. But I have also seen other comments of him on other _Doctor Who_ - related videos. As such, I can attest that everything he writes is consistent with my assessment that he's either a troll; or that he's a person whose mind has been warped by their hatred to the point that he's only spouting utter nonsense that can and should be either ignored or ridiculed. I have not, at any point, read a comment of his on anything Moffat-related that has given me any sort of indication that he's capable of formulating a coherent argument worthy of engagement or even consideration. So, again: yes, I have considered it; and I have rejected that option based on overwhelming evidence.
Clara has no personality. She steals the show, warps everyone out of character, has improbable and ridiculous skills always according to what the plot needs her to do, is obnoxious, never faces lasting consequences for her actions, never actually has to make a difficult decision. She's a Black Hole Sue and poison for the narrative.
@@Ryusuta Really? Look at the scene at the end of Kill the Moon, or the scene on Deep Breath where she threatens the Doctor. Her performance is great, the writing is what doesn't work.
actually I think the doctor IS the hybrid, and we've already met him! The half human doctor with Rose. He did commit near genocide (again) did he not. Half human/half timelord as deadly if more so than half Dalek dont you think?
I love your venting at the end - I´m completely agreeing with you. That was completely horrible. Sometimes showrunners need to either not kill off a character or let them stay dead. Don´t kill them and then bring them back again, unless immortality is part of the premise (which it kinda is for the doctor, but not for the companions. And sure, Clara was the impossible girl who died three times, but that doesn´t mean you have to bring her back, so she can die a fourth time)
You know what? Your arguments against Hell Bent are totally valid. I still love that episode though if only for that scene where Clara learns that The Doctor spent 4.5 billions years in the confession dial. Also, I do buy that this incarnation of The Doctor would be willing to break his own rules for Clara though I find his shooting of the general egregious nevertheless.
I feel like Matt Smith’s ‘death’ was just boring. Eccelston absorbs the heart of the TARDIS to save Rose. Tennant smashes through a glass ceiling, saves Wilf by absorbing radiation and then says goodbye to everyone. Smith just gets old? At least Capaldi had a build up.
Best thing about "The Doctor, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" is Madge and this quote: "Because what's the point in them being happy now if they're going to be sad later. The answer is, of course, because they a re going to be sad later"
For me I feel like Clara is supposed to be a symbol. I may be looking into this to much but let me explain. She started out as a generally normal companion (as far as normal companions go) but as time went on and she chose the doctor and he grew unhealthly attached to her she started to become the doctor in a way. She made rash choices randomly and thought herself invincible, completely parallel to how she originally thought of herself in the first few incarnations we met her. She went from willing to die to thinking she can never die. To me it showcases how much the doctor changes a person. This being said I still hate how important she was made to the doctor but I feel it Mimicked Roses "Bad Wold scene" I'm parting of the ways, of course to the extreme. She also mimicks Donna in the way the doctor's memory disappears. She mimicks Martha in the idea of falling for the Doctor. She mimicks so many companions and I feel like it was added in to show what have happened to them if they stayed with the doctor.
Exactly! They should have let her die as a warning. By proving her right and making her invincible it ruins the whole point of the build up. It's frustrating
I think "The Beast Below" should've taken place after the Silurian story. It could give a better reason for the Doctor to be mad, since he was already angry at the humans for killing a Silurian.
Dude that rant at the end was so beautiful not only because it echoes my sentiments of Series 9 and Clara, but because it was so well articulated and you had a clear idea of WHY you hated that ending - it wasn't a half-hearted hatred.
That rant about Hell Bent was beautiful. My wife and I put off watching series 10 for an incredibly long time because we just lost all interest in Doctor Who after the outcome of Hell Bent - left us bored saying "WTF". I didn't even think about the Doctor shooting someone, omg, that hit home at what was fundamentally wrong - 9, 10 and 11 all avoided shooting a gun at someone... then this.
I switch Heaven Sent off following the line "That's one hell of a bird" everytime, and have totally retcon'd HB from my life! I go straight from HS to Husbands of River Song...HS straight to HoRS..there is no in between!
I personally was not too phased by the plot of hellbent, I didn’t love it but it was fine... BUT GOD was that rant incredible! 🙌 First youtuber in ages that I can watch 6-7 20+ minute long episodes in a day and not get bored! Incredible stuff
The Angels ep, I think they never zapped anyone back because they live off the potential energy created by you living your whole life in the past but, their wouldn't have been any food so you would die real fast and the angels may have spent more energy just sending you back than what they received. Also, I think River found out the Doctors name during the 27 years they spent on Darillium
Point of order: Clara's from present day Blackpool, not London!:p But no, i fully agree. Victorian Clara would have been so much better as a companion. All of these are really well argued, and i can't really disagree with any of them, as i can understand the downsides even on episodes i personally like. Good list.
10) Last Christmas 9) The Beast Below 8) The Name of the Doctor 7) Let's Kill Hitler 6) The Bells of Saint John 5) The Time of the Doctor 4) Asylum of the Daleks 3) The Wedding of River Song 2) The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe 1) Hell Bent (loved your rant on it, but I don't hate it as passionately as you do)
Rage! My interpretation of the doctor losing his mind over Clara was that that particular regeneration of the doctor was in such a dark state that he couldn't handle a friend's death anymore. All his defenses were stripped away, he was a barely contained ball of enthropy. He was inherently damaged and he was using Clara's existence to keep himself sane and whole. I really enjoyed seeing the doctor at such a low point, but then he never had to deal with his obsession with her, instead, he was allowed to forget. The whole thing was weird.
Me: This video is too long, I think I'll just skipped randomly. You: Fuck you Moffat! Gramps(put of nowhere): Son, that's why we should never skip a video.
Generally like the list, though as you suggested there were a few on here which I really do like (A Christmas Carol in particular I view as being the best Christmas story). I disagree on the angels defeating themselves in Time of Angels & Flesh and Stone. Whilst they did trick the angels into wiping themselves out, the only reason they couldn't escape from the crack (and closed it) is because they were there looking at them, locking them in their stone form. I think we know that she learned his name during their night on Derylium. She only ever knew the name after then (in the Library, and on Trenzalore). Whilst I'm not a fan of Time of the Doctor either, I think that the End of Time is my second least favourite regeneration story (covering all of old and new Who). Though obviously the Vale Decem end is awesome, as is the bit in the cafe with Wilf. Beyond that I just can't enjoy EoT. TotD I hated the beginning bit with the turkey. I agree about the Snowmen. That bit where the Doctor and Clara are escaping the Ice Nanny was fantastic! The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe seemed to actually call itself on getting lost (the Doctor said something about "meandering in the middle but got there in the end"). And I like Madge :) And the Hell Bent one, I think there were mistakes. For the 12th Doctor she is the most important person, like Amy was for the 11th, and Rose was for both 9 & 10. Shooting people seems to be something that changes regeneration to regenration (I know the 3rd Doctor was willing to kill the Master and did shoot some monsters). Moffat said that the hunt for Gallifrey was a mistake, because all that could really be done with it was show up at X, and it was there or it wasn't. Or they go looking for clues, and they're there or they're not. And that really wasn't fun. So he decided to accept his mistake & not compound it by staying locked into it. And he didn't think that the companions should die. They are the audience viewpoint (often for the kids), so he just didn't want to end them. I don't think highly of Hell Bent, but I certainly don't have the same distain for it that you do. As always, I did enjoy your thoughts, and you articulated all your opinions well.
At least hatred is an emotional response, the worst episodes truly, are the Meh... ones. In general, I'm not fond of worst of lists, as all writers have their ups and downs. When an episode doesn't work, I try to find the parts in it that hint at potential. Whether it's a key moment that crystalises what they were aiming for, or a different direction the story could have gone. I don't have a rant,... I don't even claim your judgement is wrong, but I choose to focus on the positives. Whether it's scenery chewing by Richard E. Grant, or comedy of the Paternoster Gang. Even episodes like 'Kill The Moon', or 'The Forest of the Night', while objectively poor, they have something. Perhaps the Timelord Triumphant in Kill the Moon, as Capaldi steps back from making that choice, forcing his companions to decide. Or in 'Forest', his rescue by Clara, walking him back to the Tardis, saving his life to continue onwards, even if the Earth will burn. It is massively incoherent, but also surprisingly dark. He can't save the plane, or it's seven billion inhabitants.
Loved your rage about hell bent! It’s exactly what I’ve been saying for a long time now, that Moffat is too enamoured with his own ideas and creations that he undermines everything that has come before, especially with Clara! It was noticeable in Listen where he basically makes her the reason why he is the Doctor.
The Doctor has killed in the classic series, for reasons of self defence and those who are outright monsters. But the death of the General, that was outright murder for selfish reasons. The Doctor does kill, but he does not murder!
I can confirm someone in the comments will say, "number ten should have been every episode written by him" Also I love flesh and stone, it's just because I love story's where characters can become the villains, like in the dalek asylum, but they could've showed us what would've happened, which would make the episode better in my opinion, and I agree with what you say about the episode Except for deep breath being better than this, I really believe that episode was one of the worst in the whole of Doctor who, and the worst of Capaldi, especially how Capaldi acts "crazy" makes it feel like it's not doctor who Also the doctor needed to go to help River cut down her prison sentence But great video! (But why u put time of de doctur on teh list, it taint so bat}
capaldi acting crazy is not dr who? How many regeneration stories have you seen? They ALL do all the way back to the 2nd doctor Pertwee's shoe obsession, the complete maina of Baker, Davison unravelling his scarf to find his way through the tardis COLIN baker strangling Peri, ALL of them!
Capaldi should have gone full troughton with the Hell Bent script. Just tell Moffat what he really thinks and order him to write better scripts, as a fan. Not as an actor
Great Hell Bent rant. You didn't even mention the semi-conclusion to the hybrid mystery which just goes to show how utterly meaningless that whole storyline was.
Kazaran does address the fact that his life was changed without his consent, when he's talking to Amy's hologram. Made was such a great character that I always wished they made another episode with her, and the last two minutes of that episode was wonderful. I loved the Wedding of River Song. But your rant on Hell bent was a masterpiece, flipping it the bird was perfect!!!
The thing is Hell Bent is not even bad. It was a very good episode. It's just not the ending we had all expected. I loved the episode. Series 9 is one of the best seasons. Everyone was expecting the Doctor to start a war on Gallifrey but instead it showed how far he would go to save Clara. It was a brilliant episode
Honestly I wouldn't care if the Doctor shot the General because he was out of his mind with grief and anger and honestly had a moment of weakness and felt a massive amount of regret. The problem for me was he distinctly knew what he was doing. It was a decision he made. It wasn't an emotionally made decision, it was a planned decision.
I have bias towards deep breath because I saw it in a theatre and it was awesome....... but I obviously understand the reasoning with that and agree Edit: Holy shit that hell bent rant was accurate.... let my add my own frustration.... the doctor and Clara were friends..... yeah okay but like you said look how many rules he breaks and the lengths he takes to bring her back! LIKE WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS DOCTOR GET TO DO THIS WITH FUCKING CLARA??! HE WAS IN LOVE WITH ROSE AND HE WAS INSEPARABLE WITH DONNA AND HE WAS AMYS FUCKING SON! THESE CHARACTERS WERE TAKEN FROM THE DOCTOR UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES OUT OF EVERYONES CONTROL! CLARA DID THIS TO HERSELF NOT SAYING THAT HER DEATH WAS BAD IT WAS AN AMAZING EPISODE BUT LIKE IT WHY NOT BRING BACK A COMPANION IN THAT WAY THAT DIDNT TO AN EXTENT GIVE THEMSELVES A FUCKING DEATH SENTENCE!! Rant over the end
Personally I think that doctor who has lost it’s essence of mystery as they always now know all the time where they are going. Also have you seen the new costume?
For a while I’ve honestly never understood why people hated Hell Bent so much. I just initially thought that it was because Heaven Sent was so god-like as a penultimate episode that absolutely nothing after it would be satisfying. However, you’ve definitely opened my eyes as to why it’s gotten the criticisms it has. Although Clara is my personally favorite, I have to agree that the show deciding she’s the most important companion goes against the very grain of the show itself. While I still do like Hell Bent a lot, I definitely understand the criticisms it has now.
Wow. I love your episodes where I shout at the screen the whole time. Usually things like "Yes!" and "I hate Clara too!" About that, I don't think Moffat liked writing her, or even liked the character. You can tell the characters he enjoys writing: River Song, Missy, Bill. He's admitted all those in interviews. Not a word about Clara. Her first season, he was so busy doing the 50th, everything else just slid by; he tried to fix it, and it was better but it still wasn't right and he overcompensated. He was always trying to make a flawed thing good, and he couldn't. It was more like incredible arrogance that kept him at it, that he could take an element that wasn't working and MAKE it work through sheer will. I believe it's a mistake for a showrunner to let an actor or actress playing the Companion to dictate when he or she leaves. (The Doctor, yes.) I think he would have lost Clara after two seasons but the actress wasn't ready, and Steven wasn't prepared to tell her, "Well, I am. Go." When I think we could have had two seasons with Bill instead--!!!
Lol The Bells Of Saint John is my favourite episode! Also I’ve heard that The Time Of The Doctor was meant to be Series 8, but Matt Smith wanted to leave so the series was condensed into one episode. I don’t know if that would make it better, I actually like the episode, but I feel like it would be a cool idea.
Yes, Matt dropped out at the last second on series 8. Therefore, Moffat had to write one season in an hour episode. So for what Time of the Doctor is, I think it works quite well.
thejamsterx Moffat didn't have to throw all that out, he could have continued those stories but a little differently due to the regeneration and new actor, though I do understand that casting Capaldi allowed them to give the Doctor and Clara an uncertain relationship which was very fitting for Capaldi's first season. But Chris Chibnall and future showrunners should continue planned stories when a Doctor walks out on them, a face and personality change doesn't have to mean completely change the following season and throwing out its planned story arcs, that's a knee jerk reaction and is poor way of handling a regeneration.
Fishy the fall of the eleventh and the battle of Trenzalore had to be told with 11 as the doctor. Moffat wanted to clear up the silence arc before the new doctor joined.
I think that Moffat's problem with Hell Bent was he failed to get across where the Doctor was coming from because I don't see it as the Doctor seeing Clara as any more important than other companions. You're forgetting that Clara died as a result of the Time Lords ensnaring the Doctor and his actions afterwards are a direct response to that i.e they're pissing all over the rules so he retaliates in like fashion although I still think you are right about him shooting the other Time Lord. But you really went into me rant style (which I do a lot of with new who)and for that I'll take my hat off to you as it's good to see someone else who can be that passionate about Dr.Who
I agree with almost you're entire list, all exept Time of the Angels/Flesh and Stone which I personally liked and Time of the Doctor which is one of my favorite episode, but everyone has their own opinion. I love all your Doctor Who videos and can't wait to see more, thanks for all you do.
Just watched your other review of best Moffat and whilst you argue your case(s) with passion personally I would reverse both categories . Heaven sent was one of the only episodes I regard as thirty minutes of wasted life . True the ending was great and felt greater after the sheer confusion preferring . He'll Bent isn't Moffats best but certainly not the worst . There were a lot of loose ends to be tied up and Clara was necessary for the hybrid thread to conclude . The ending leaves scope for a future return . For me Blink was his best as a stand alone Doctor light episode after the awful Love and monsters of the first series . Loved the passionate rant even though I disagree it's great to hear different views of a great programme .
Again, considering how our opinions tend to differ a lot, we have surprisingly similar lists here too. My top ten worst are 10 Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone (Agree with everything you said about it really) 9 Bells Of Saint John (Forgettable and didn't do much with interesting ideas) 8 The Wedding of River Song (Interesting ideas but wow it was a confusing mess) 7 Angels Take Manhattan (Lots of plot holes and then the companions die by being forced to live to death...) 6 Asylum Of The Daleks (Fanservice for the sake of fanservice doesn't impress me) 5 Deep Breath (The moment we should have seen him coming into his own as the Doctor they just cut back to Clara- series 8 in a nutshell) 4 Time of the Doctor (Trying to fit a season's worth of plot into one Christmas special just didn't work) 3 Extremis (Generally I hate episodes like this where it turns out it was all a dream/never happened/is out of continuity) 2 The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe (Neat concept, but shame the script felt underdeveloped) 1 Hell Bent (totally agree with your rant)
How did “The Day of the Doctor” not make this list?? The way it not only ruins the Time War, but ruins the morals of it and the whole previous era of New Who. Read “The Day of the Doctor: a Case of Canon vs. Canon” if you don’t know what I’m talking about.
Samuel Dunford no it doesnt, because 9 and 10 will have forgotten about their encounter with 11. Its actually a very clever way to move on from the whole "I m so sad that time lords die" thing and helps to make the show change
The problem for me will remain always the stupid shit idea of the War Doctor. I don't care about Ecclestone and his non returning for the special, the whoe idea is just stupi, schizophrenic and well stupid again.
I feel like the angels in time of the angels were killing because they were too weak to do it, they do mention in 'the angels take manhattan' that the chained up angel is too weak to do it.
I love the time of the angels/flesh and stone, in my top 10 doctor who episodes, but that's fair criticism of the angles -- I always thought they killed the people because they weren't strong enough to zap them back. Didn't like how we saw the angels move because in blink, the camera always counted as a viewer, and how Amy got away with acting like she can't see
10: Twice Upon a Time 9: Time of the Doctor 8: Asylum of the Daleks 7: Listen 6: Last Christmas 5: The Magician’s Apprentice/The Witch’s Familiar 4: The Doctor, The Widow, and The Wardrobe 3: Let’s Kill Hitler 2: The Wedding of River Song 1: Hell Bent
I actually enjoyed 10 8, 5 ; 5 had one of the best entrances I've ever seen, 10 had the christmas armatise and the precious first regeneration and a not too bad story.
"I never would" - Doctor after stopping himself from shooting the man that KILLED HIS DAUGHTER
*Pew pew* - Doctor shooting man telling him saving the girl he likes is a bad idea
this is why i have a problem with this episode just like the fact that moffet shovels the fact that clara is the best companion ever in our troaths...
i really like most episodes from him, but that one just contradicts so much.....
That's because he isn't the doctor right there. he's the hybrid. "I went too far, I became the hybrid."
And besides that line is bollocks anyway, the doctor has killed before. It just further proves why 10 is the worst doctor.
You missed the point of it being between "his daughter" and a "girl he likes".
I liked Clara (believe it or not) but it just doesn't feel earned especially considering the various reactions to other companions dying/being forcefully removed.
Frazamatron Jenny isn't really the doctor's daughter. She is a person created using the doctor's dna. When other people create a new person they don't have a connection to them, they are just soldiers. Lets look at other companions, rose has a happy life in the parallel world, Martha is with Mickey, Donna has lost her memories, but is still fine, Amy and Rory lived a happy life together before dying. Clara is the only companion in recent memory to flat out die (before the doctor intervenes). The doctor knew Jenny for what, less than a day? The doctor and clara travelled for at least 3 years from a real word perspective, but who knows how long they spent in the TARDIS. Not to mention clara' s role in the name of the doctor.
+thejamsterx that from i hybrid is not confirmed i thought...
there are a lot of other compinations that cpuld be the hybrid, or i remember it wrong....
Me en the doctor etc
Hell Bent is the story about the Doctor going too far and the perfect example of Moffat going too far as a showrunner/writer.
what i've often wondered about fans who r passionate about how bad certain episodes are is , do they dislike them enough that if they were no longer available would they mind if they were no longer available ? I first thought this when the dr. who appreciation society was ripping on Trial of a Timelord (which I love by the way) , because remember this has happened b4 with certain 1st and 2nd Doctor Who stories THAT GOT WIPED which people complain about understandably . The answer to my own question I think is I would mind , after all Doctor who is DOCTOR WHO . But others might fink different .
I think an awful lot of us wanted to pretend that the Telemovie wasn't canon, until Human Nature firmly established it was, but that's because it's disconnectedness made it feel optional. No one ever tried to claim that, say, Timelash was non-canonical, however awful it may be.
It's definitely in my top 10 favourite episodes
@@1greatfinkerofrtimes381 I'd be happy if the timeless child thing vanished.
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Your Hell Bent rant was Nostalgia Critic-esque, your videos keep getting better and better!
I rarely comment on anything, but damn, that Hell Bent rant was beautiful. Thanks for that, friend.
I adore Clara, she is one of my favourite companions, but I COMPLETELY agree with your views on Hell Bent. After Face the Raven I was so pleased with her ending and it was such a fitting death imo. With Hell Bent, I was confused then annoyed that her fans (like myself) had been robbed of that beautiful ending - along with the whole message that Clara became too much like the Doctor and that's what killed her, but instead she gets rewarded with her own TARDIS and a life as long as she wants. Honestly, WTH was Moffat trying to do with her?
I fully concur with every word in this comment.
I was a Clara fan. I thought that her entire history behind the character and buildup was perfect, but as I told many people the only way the character can receive justice once Jenna wants to leave, is to kill her. She has to die otherwise I would not accept her departure. She meant too much, done too much for The Doctor to not be given the exit she deserved. Truly sad that she was revived.
I didnt like the raven it wasnt a fitting end to Clara in my opinion.
I despised Clara it was like rose only worse in someways. Instead of this being a one off plot that ruins one Doctors run that you can flush down the memory hole...it retcons and spits on everything in the history of Doctor Who.I was happy to see her go but then they undermine it by giving them bullshit fairy tale endings. They pushed the new companions like Vince pushed cena he was and is mid card at best and they use him to tie the record of Ric Flair on top of not recognizing Ric’s runs with The WCW international Title because it is “a second worlds title” even though they have had two worlds titles since early days the brand spilt.Companions were never supposed to mean that much to the show even the Doctors Granddaughter wasn’t treated like the main character to this degree. The Doctor and his adventures should be the main course companions are just the condiments sure some combinations work better then others but at the end of the day no one wants a salad with so much dressing it looks likes like a bowl of cereal.
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moffat can write, but he need someone to be like
"HEY! you can't really that... because of ____________________ "
He did have someone like that.
His name was Russell T Davies.
@@farenheit2456 lol.
Honestly, that final rant about Hellbent pretty much sums up my biggest grip with most of the companions in NewWho, because it sorta of applies to almost all of them. It's this recurrent motif of the companion always being this special snowflake and the most important person the doctor has ever met to the point that he's completely torn apart, left devastated, broken, and an empty shell of himself when they depart.
And baring Martha, the NewWho companion never really just get exit the series gracefully anymore, never get to just decide they are done with adventures in time and space, never get choose to settle down and return to a normal life. No it always has to be this huge drawn out and heart wrenching ordeal wherein through what ever plot contravenes the writers have come up with this time the Doctor will NEVER be able to see them again... and I'm just getting so sick of it.
Sure, it's always a bit "sad" for us as an audience when our favorite actors leave the show, but that doesn't mean that every goddam exit of every companion, and every Doctor for that matter, has to be treated in narative like a goddamn end of the world TRAGEDY. It's called LIFE, people, suck it up and move on.
"The Bells of Saint John" is like a better version of "The Idiot's Lantern"
Given how much I dislike Idiot’s Lantern, that isn’t saying much.
I absolutely love this episode! Aaaaaahhhhh!!!!
The Idiot's Lantern is like a better version of Bells of Saint John.
LOOL The Idiot's Lantern is far better.
Agreed. My ranking is Tennant, then Capaldi, then Eccleston, then Smith.
16:29 for those who came for a Hell Bent rant.
Good grief, did word get out about that to the point that folks are here just for that part?
No. But (and no offense intended to anyone) It's pretty easy to guess. And this is just went to be a joke. The video's great, all things considered.
20:35 I burst out laughing. Someone, please meme this.
Council of Geeks Yes. The rest of the list is great but I sometimes come back just for the Hell Bent rant!
He mentioned it on his review of "Arc of Infinity" and that's what brought me here.
I think one of my biggest issues with Moffat's time as showrunner is he kept trying to recapture his strongest moments by reusing pieces from those episodes instead of utilizing the originality that made them special to begin with.
Blink was an INCREDIBLE episode, and part of why it's so amazing is that as an audience we never really get a full grasp on the angels, they are an unknown and terrifying as a result.
And then they're just a rehashed monster of the week "but there's a lot of them so it's okay". I mean the moment with Amy and Rory is amazing, but overall it just doesn't feel like they were used well.
Similarly, Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, FANTASTIC episodes, the Vashta Nerata is incredible, River Song is amazing in her initial incarnation, the face-statue things are really awesome, the Donna Statue moment is amazing.
And then River is just another off-and-on companion with some forced moments who never really gets back to the level of "This is what she means to the doctor" that Moffat originally sets in tone in just two episodes. She's FUN she's ENTERTAINING, but never in the same light.
I guess what it boils down to for me is he's a fantastic idea-man. He can be amazing at capturing a story, but as a showrunner trying to tie it all together, he lacks.
When i watched Silence in the Library, i was expecting her to be full-on Doctor Companion somewhere between season 5-10, if that was the case, it would be much better
When you hit #1 and there's still 7 Minutes left.
"Oh. Oh shit."
That Clara rant was a gift, thank you.
The reason I hated Hell Bent wasn't even because if the Clara stuff, it's that when the Doctor broke the wall in Heaven Sent and he had found Gallifrey I was so excited for the resolution of the story started in Day of the Doctor. I was excited for the episode all the way up until it was on and then for the Doctor retuning to Gallifrey to be such an insignificant event and part of the episode after he established that was his goal after DotD was the most disappointing part for me. Then the Clara stuff was a complete mess and it just made for one of the most awful and disappointing issues in Moffats run.
I personally love Clara, but I think that Hell Bent should've been about focussing on the triumphant return to Gallifrey, not Clara. :)
Honestly, I totally agree. They also never brought back the real Clara in her frozen form for Twice Upon a Time, so the whole concept seemed like a bit of a waste. And the trailer got me hyped for a great triumphant return to Galifrey, not a hopeless excursion to arrogantly try to save my favourite companion. Not my least favourite episode by far, but it left a bitter taste in my mouth.
You see, I don't understand that. There could be no triumphant return. The Timelords just tortured the Doctor for 4.5 billion years. Him being happy for returning would make no sense.
Unless they made it a triumphant return not in a happy way but because they've done something wrong and he's arriving to stop them. :)
Tim Timothy Tim - Whovian Extraordinaire! Well triumphant doesn't necessarily mean "happy"
The episode should have focused almost entirely on trying to depose Rassilon and redeeming the Timelords. Then him hunting down Ashildr at the end of the universe.
I had that exact same reaction to Hell Bent.... One of the episodes I hate THE most. By the way, beautiful rant. 👌
In my opinion, it took a great end to a character and threw it back into our faces. The writer made me cry for Clara and they just screwed it over. It undermines the character of the Doctor too, as it gives us many out of character moments. It undermines the losses of all of his former companions. How he lost Rose, Donna, Amy and Rory, and undoubtedly countless other companions from old Who. The episode just pissed me off.
I liked it.
Yeah, i was enjoying Hell Bent until the whole saving Clara thing. The Episode should have just been focusing on redeeming the Timelords and deposing Rassilon and then wrapping up his story with Ashildr.
Been watching but never commented on your videos before but that end rant was amazing and exactly how I feel bout that episode
Yeah I hadn’t actually planned to go off that hard. But it happens.
I may end up making a video devoted entirely to "Hell Bent" and how much I loathe it... I hate it with a passion.
This comment section in a nutshell:
50% about the Hell Bent rant.
50% anything else.
I mean, that's also representative of my level of anger, half of it got poured into Hell Bent and the rest was spread across the remainders.
@@CouncilofGeeks Hell Bent is an incredibly bad, tonally messy and overstuffed episode.
Okay, why on Earth would you ding Deep Breath for “wasting” a dinosaur by burning it to death in a cruel manner? That’s the EXACT point! It makes the Doctor angry FOR THAT REASON. I mean, come on.
The weeping angels just should’ve been in “Blink” IMO because just like the silence, daleks, cybermen etc. They got less scary and everytime one of them came back for another episode, I just feel like saying why?
Honestly I really enjoyed Time of Angels and Flesh and Stone like the quality did go down a bit but there was still excitement and scares...and then in Angels of Manhattan and onward the quality just took a NOSEDIVE
@@alim.9801 I think that they really work in The Angels Take Manhattan, maybe a little overdone but still pretty freaky imo
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10. The Doctor The widow and the wardrobe
It's not "The best episodes" list ;)
Alex R Ok..... that doesn’t really have anything to do with my comment but ok.
i actually really liked hell bent and heaven sent. Much better if you count them as one. well they are one story with a not so good start
As for The Doctor The widow and the wardrobe. Yes, worst doctor Who ep of all time. i couldn't even sit through it in one sitting
It was good bc it was a new concept at the time and was blowing peoples minds
I didn't much care for part 1 of the Davros 2 parter...
I think a story about the Doctor going to far and crossing the lines utterly grief stricken is a really really good idea. But in Hell Bent, there's no consequences to his actions. So it just makes it mean nothing. He doesn't feel bad for shooting the General, there's no repercussions from it. Nothing. So it makes it all rather meaningless and just detracts from the Doctor's character.
Water's of Mars handled it so much better. The Doctor went to far, he tried to control time. And he was punished for it. It's a perfect example of how to do that sort of episode right. Hell Bent is the polar opposite.
Going back through these ranking videos so sorry for the reply on an old comment but you make such a great comparison with Hell Bent and Water's of Mars. Just think of the storylines that lead up to them. The Doctor's best friend, the most important person to him, becomes too much like him and it gets her killed. In the aftermath, he spends too much time alone without a companion and winds up going too far. At some point during the story, one of them will forget the other exists. Did I not just describe both stories? One of these happened in one episode, the other was technically built up over two series, though really only one with how often they changed who Clara was, and both, technically, had three episodes worth of payoff. Yet the one-episode version was better.
That Hell Bent rant was awesome! Now let's never speak about that dreadful piece of crap episode ever again. XD
I also realized how Steven Moffat's best and worst episodes are right next to each other... kinda proves that he was a very inconsistent writer. But otherwise, great video and also is this is a thing now that every Sunday we get a Doctor Who video? If so, that's great! :)
I despise Clara and I hate how Moffat tried to make her the singular most important companion ever; I'm surprised that he didn't make her go back in time and invent TARDISes or something. And now she's functionally immortal. I wanna flip off Moffat for that shit too.
Best rant I’ve ever heard on Hell Bent. Worst episode of Doctor Who ever done. Lasting damage done.
JustSomeRandomGuy Online woah woah woah - Heaven Sent is literally one of the best episodes of the whole series. Hell Bent is the bad one.
+BSK
Just ignore him. He's either a troll, or more likely he's one of the (insanely rare, it needs to be stressed) exceptions to the rule that all opinions are worth considering. Essentially, he's just salty that *any* Episode from the writer he has chosen to hate without any room left for rhyme or reason, has gotten near-Universal acclaim, and so he endlessly spews baseless bile on any that fit that category. Which would include _Blink_ (and all 4 stories from the Russell T. Davies Era actually), _The Day of the Doctor_ and _Heaven Sent_ .
So, yeah, just ignore him.
+Orthodox plum
_"Or, or maybe he just doesn’t like the episodes that much at all, ever consider that ?"_
As a matter of fact, I have considered that, yes.
But I have also seen other comments of him on other _Doctor Who_ - related videos. As such, I can attest that everything he writes is consistent with my assessment that he's either a troll; or that he's a person whose mind has been warped by their hatred to the point that he's only spouting utter nonsense that can and should be either ignored or ridiculed.
I have not, at any point, read a comment of his on anything Moffat-related that has given me any sort of indication that he's capable of formulating a coherent argument worthy of engagement or even consideration.
So, again: yes, I have considered it; and I have rejected that option based on overwhelming evidence.
Well, do I have good news for you now....
At least, we agree on the Number 1, fully ^^
Clara has no personality. She steals the show, warps everyone out of character, has improbable and ridiculous skills always according to what the plot needs her to do, is obnoxious, never faces lasting consequences for her actions, never actually has to make a difficult decision. She's a Black Hole Sue and poison for the narrative.
YES, One of the worst written character EVER.
She's a living sonic screwdriver except not even wood can stop her.
Ok, but Jena is a fabulous actress and deserves this clarification.
+E North Let's not go nuts. She's a PASSABLE actress with two facial expressions: condescending smile and gape-mouthed shock.
@@Ryusuta Really? Look at the scene at the end of Kill the Moon, or the scene on Deep Breath where she threatens the Doctor. Her performance is great, the writing is what doesn't work.
Got to admit I was looking forward to you ripping into hell bent throughout the whole video. Bravo.
Clara and the Doctor being the "hybrid"... I rolled my eyes so hard
actually I think the doctor IS the hybrid, and we've already met him! The half human doctor with Rose. He did commit near genocide (again) did he not. Half human/half timelord as deadly if more so than half Dalek dont you think?
That Hell Bent rant was absolutely beautiful and completely true.
I love your venting at the end - I´m completely agreeing with you. That was completely horrible. Sometimes showrunners need to either not kill off a character or let them stay dead. Don´t kill them and then bring them back again, unless immortality is part of the premise (which it kinda is for the doctor, but not for the companions. And sure, Clara was the impossible girl who died three times, but that doesn´t mean you have to bring her back, so she can die a fourth time)
You know what? Your arguments against Hell Bent are totally valid. I still love that episode though if only for that scene where Clara learns that The Doctor spent 4.5 billions years in the confession dial. Also, I do buy that this incarnation of The Doctor would be willing to break his own rules for Clara though I find his shooting of the general egregious nevertheless.
Oh no, I love deep breath, this could be a wild rollercoaster of emotions for me aha
I feel like Matt Smith’s ‘death’ was just boring. Eccelston absorbs the heart of the TARDIS to save Rose. Tennant smashes through a glass ceiling, saves Wilf by absorbing radiation and then says goodbye to everyone. Smith just gets old? At least Capaldi had a build up.
Best thing about "The Doctor, The Witch, and the Wardrobe" is Madge and this quote: "Because what's the point in them being happy now if they're going to be sad later. The answer is, of course, because they a re going to be sad later"
For me I feel like Clara is supposed to be a symbol. I may be looking into this to much but let me explain. She started out as a generally normal companion (as far as normal companions go) but as time went on and she chose the doctor and he grew unhealthly attached to her she started to become the doctor in a way. She made rash choices randomly and thought herself invincible, completely parallel to how she originally thought of herself in the first few incarnations we met her. She went from willing to die to thinking she can never die. To me it showcases how much the doctor changes a person.
This being said I still hate how important she was made to the doctor but I feel it Mimicked Roses "Bad Wold scene" I'm parting of the ways, of course to the extreme. She also mimicks Donna in the way the doctor's memory disappears. She mimicks Martha in the idea of falling for the Doctor. She mimicks so many companions and I feel like it was added in to show what have happened to them if they stayed with the doctor.
You’re not wrong in your first paragraph. The thing is all of that is true and holds up totally separate from the mess that is Hell Bent.
Exactly! They should have let her die as a warning. By proving her right and making her invincible it ruins the whole point of the build up. It's frustrating
I think "The Beast Below" should've taken place after the Silurian story. It could give a better reason for the Doctor to be mad, since he was already angry at the humans for killing a Silurian.
Dude that rant at the end was so beautiful not only because it echoes my sentiments of Series 9 and Clara, but because it was so well articulated and you had a clear idea of WHY you hated that ending - it wasn't a half-hearted hatred.
Worst episodes written by Steven moffat? My god there's been so many?
I just hate the guy so much. He has killed my interest in the show!
That rant about Hell Bent was beautiful.
My wife and I put off watching series 10 for an incredibly long time because we just lost all interest in Doctor Who after the outcome of Hell Bent - left us bored saying "WTF".
I didn't even think about the Doctor shooting someone, omg, that hit home at what was fundamentally wrong - 9, 10 and 11 all avoided shooting a gun at someone... then this.
Hold on a minute, I love a Christmas carol
I never use phone to watch youtube aloud but this is worth it.
Beautiful rant at the end there, man! Everything you said could apply to my feelings about Kitty Pryde.
I switch Heaven Sent off following the line "That's one hell of a bird" everytime, and have totally retcon'd HB from my life! I go straight from HS to Husbands of River Song...HS straight to HoRS..there is no in between!
I agree with most of this video, altough I really do enjoy the Time Of The Doctor and the Beast Below
I thought he went to greater lengths for Amy, even trusting her to remember him after his entire existence was erased from time
That's a really good point I hadn't thought about it like that
I'm sorry, the Doctor would not go to those lengths for SARAH JANE SMITH. THE. COMPANION.
agreed
I personally was not too phased by the plot of hellbent, I didn’t love it but it was fine... BUT GOD was that rant incredible! 🙌
First youtuber in ages that I can watch 6-7 20+ minute long episodes in a day and not get bored! Incredible stuff
The Angels ep, I think they never zapped anyone back because they live off the potential energy created by you living your whole life in the past but, their wouldn't have been any food so you would die real fast and the angels may have spent more energy just sending you back than what they received.
Also, I think River found out the Doctors name during the 27 years they spent on Darillium
Point of order: Clara's from present day Blackpool, not London!:p But no, i fully agree. Victorian Clara would have been so much better as a companion.
All of these are really well argued, and i can't really disagree with any of them, as i can understand the downsides even on episodes i personally like. Good list.
Dalek Clara would have been amazing.
@@davidcheater4188 imagine if there was a team up episode with Dalek Oswin and Governess Clara and not some boring modern present day suburban Clara
10) Last Christmas
9) The Beast Below
8) The Name of the Doctor
7) Let's Kill Hitler
6) The Bells of Saint John
5) The Time of the Doctor
4) Asylum of the Daleks
3) The Wedding of River Song
2) The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe
1) Hell Bent (loved your rant on it, but I don't hate it as passionately as you do)
When you're so mad your voice starts at random intervals turning into Batman.
I AM THE NIGHT!
@@CouncilofGeeks where's da trigger!!
Rage! My interpretation of the doctor losing his mind over Clara was that that particular regeneration of the doctor was in such a dark state that he couldn't handle a friend's death anymore. All his defenses were stripped away, he was a barely contained ball of enthropy. He was inherently damaged and he was using Clara's existence to keep himself sane and whole. I really enjoyed seeing the doctor at such a low point, but then he never had to deal with his obsession with her, instead, he was allowed to forget. The whole thing was weird.
Me: This video is too long, I think I'll just skipped randomly.
You: Fuck you Moffat!
Gramps(put of nowhere): Son, that's why we should never skip a video.
Generally like the list, though as you suggested there were a few on here which I really do like (A Christmas Carol in particular I view as being the best Christmas story).
I disagree on the angels defeating themselves in Time of Angels & Flesh and Stone. Whilst they did trick the angels into wiping themselves out, the only reason they couldn't escape from the crack (and closed it) is because they were there looking at them, locking them in their stone form.
I think we know that she learned his name during their night on Derylium. She only ever knew the name after then (in the Library, and on Trenzalore).
Whilst I'm not a fan of Time of the Doctor either, I think that the End of Time is my second least favourite regeneration story (covering all of old and new Who). Though obviously the Vale Decem end is awesome, as is the bit in the cafe with Wilf. Beyond that I just can't enjoy EoT. TotD I hated the beginning bit with the turkey.
I agree about the Snowmen. That bit where the Doctor and Clara are escaping the Ice Nanny was fantastic!
The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe seemed to actually call itself on getting lost (the Doctor said something about "meandering in the middle but got there in the end"). And I like Madge :)
And the Hell Bent one, I think there were mistakes. For the 12th Doctor she is the most important person, like Amy was for the 11th, and Rose was for both 9 & 10. Shooting people seems to be something that changes regeneration to regenration (I know the 3rd Doctor was willing to kill the Master and did shoot some monsters). Moffat said that the hunt for Gallifrey was a mistake, because all that could really be done with it was show up at X, and it was there or it wasn't. Or they go looking for clues, and they're there or they're not. And that really wasn't fun. So he decided to accept his mistake & not compound it by staying locked into it. And he didn't think that the companions should die. They are the audience viewpoint (often for the kids), so he just didn't want to end them. I don't think highly of Hell Bent, but I certainly don't have the same distain for it that you do.
As always, I did enjoy your thoughts, and you articulated all your opinions well.
I didn't mind the ending of series 6 with the tesselector, I thought it was a really clever solution to the mystery of the series.
At least hatred is an emotional response, the worst episodes truly, are the Meh... ones.
In general, I'm not fond of worst of lists, as all writers have their ups and downs. When an episode doesn't work, I try to find the parts in it that hint at potential. Whether it's a key moment that crystalises what they were aiming for, or a different direction the story could have gone. I don't have a rant,... I don't even claim your judgement is wrong, but I choose to focus on the positives. Whether it's scenery chewing by Richard E. Grant, or comedy of the Paternoster Gang. Even episodes like 'Kill The Moon', or 'The Forest of the Night', while objectively poor, they have something. Perhaps the Timelord Triumphant in Kill the Moon, as Capaldi steps back from making that choice, forcing his companions to decide. Or in 'Forest', his rescue by Clara, walking him back to the Tardis, saving his life to continue onwards, even if the Earth will burn. It is massively incoherent, but also surprisingly dark. He can't save the plane, or it's seven billion inhabitants.
Loved your rage about hell bent! It’s exactly what I’ve been saying for a long time now, that Moffat is too enamoured with his own ideas and creations that he undermines everything that has come before, especially with Clara! It was noticeable in Listen where he basically makes her the reason why he is the Doctor.
I get so much pleasure when I see someone savaging Hell Bent.
The Doctor has killed in the classic series, for reasons of self defence and those who are outright monsters.
But the death of the General, that was outright murder for selfish reasons. The Doctor does kill, but he does not murder!
I can confirm someone in the comments will say, "number ten should have been every episode written by him"
Also I love flesh and stone, it's just because I love story's where characters can become the villains, like in the dalek asylum, but they could've showed us what would've happened, which would make the episode better in my opinion, and I agree with what you say about the episode
Except for deep breath being better than this, I really believe that episode was one of the worst in the whole of Doctor who, and the worst of Capaldi, especially how Capaldi acts "crazy" makes it feel like it's not doctor who
Also the doctor needed to go to help River cut down her prison sentence
But great video!
(But why u put time of de doctur on teh list, it taint so bat}
Robozxd Yeah someone probably will, aka JustSomeRandomGuy Online
capaldi acting crazy is not dr who? How many regeneration stories have you seen? They ALL do all the way back to the 2nd doctor Pertwee's shoe obsession, the complete maina of Baker, Davison unravelling his scarf to find his way through the tardis COLIN baker strangling Peri, ALL of them!
my mouth dropped open when i saw a christmas carol,,,bro WHAT. The slander 😭
Capaldi should have gone full troughton with the Hell Bent script. Just tell Moffat what he really thinks and order him to write better scripts, as a fan. Not as an actor
Stephen Moffat. Or should I say "clickbait the writter"
Steven*
One of the best rants ever. I want to buy t-shirt now!
That rant on hell bent made my day
By shooting the General, he became the Hybrid. (Well, it's only a part of it.)
Great Hell Bent rant. You didn't even mention the semi-conclusion to the hybrid mystery which just goes to show how utterly meaningless that whole storyline was.
One list I would like to see is the Top 10 best scenes* in Bad episodes.
*or moments, concepts, performances etc.
and the opposite. Worst scenes/actors/moments in really good episodes
I can give you one. 11th speech in Akhaten, his speech was absolutely heart wrenching, the rest of the story, boring
Kazaran does address the fact that his life was changed without his consent, when he's talking to Amy's hologram. Made was such a great character that I always wished they made another episode with her, and the last two minutes of that episode was wonderful. I loved the Wedding of River Song. But your rant on Hell bent was a masterpiece, flipping it the bird was perfect!!!
The thing is Hell Bent is not even bad. It was a very good episode. It's just not the ending we had all expected. I loved the episode. Series 9 is one of the best seasons. Everyone was expecting the Doctor to start a war on Gallifrey but instead it showed how far he would go to save Clara. It was a brilliant episode
O.o wow I really want to see an entire episode of of loosing it about hell bent
Honestly I wouldn't care if the Doctor shot the General because he was out of his mind with grief and anger and honestly had a moment of weakness and felt a massive amount of regret. The problem for me was he distinctly knew what he was doing. It was a decision he made. It wasn't an emotionally made decision, it was a planned decision.
I have bias towards deep breath because I saw it in a theatre and it was awesome....... but I obviously understand the reasoning with that and agree
Edit: Holy shit that hell bent rant was accurate.... let my add my own frustration.... the doctor and Clara were friends..... yeah okay but like you said look how many rules he breaks and the lengths he takes to bring her back! LIKE WHY THE FUCK DOES THIS DOCTOR GET TO DO THIS WITH FUCKING CLARA??! HE WAS IN LOVE WITH ROSE AND HE WAS INSEPARABLE WITH DONNA AND HE WAS AMYS FUCKING SON! THESE CHARACTERS WERE TAKEN FROM THE DOCTOR UNDER CIRCUMSTANCES OUT OF EVERYONES CONTROL! CLARA DID THIS TO HERSELF NOT SAYING THAT HER DEATH WAS BAD IT WAS AN AMAZING EPISODE BUT LIKE IT WHY NOT BRING BACK A COMPANION IN THAT WAY THAT DIDNT TO AN EXTENT GIVE THEMSELVES A FUCKING DEATH SENTENCE!! Rant over the end
Hell Bent is one episode that truly lives up to it's name. Great rant and video!
Personally I think that doctor who has lost it’s essence of mystery as they always now know all the time where they are going. Also have you seen the new costume?
For a while I’ve honestly never understood why people hated Hell Bent so much. I just initially thought that it was because Heaven Sent was so god-like as a penultimate episode that absolutely nothing after it would be satisfying. However, you’ve definitely opened my eyes as to why it’s gotten the criticisms it has. Although Clara is my personally favorite, I have to agree that the show deciding she’s the most important companion goes against the very grain of the show itself. While I still do like Hell Bent a lot, I definitely understand the criticisms it has now.
Glad you saw the rationale behind the rage.
Council of Geeks Hey, you’re a wordsmith, even in a fit of rage haha
Wow. I love your episodes where I shout at the screen the whole time. Usually things like "Yes!" and "I hate Clara too!" About that, I don't think Moffat liked writing her, or even liked the character. You can tell the characters he enjoys writing: River Song, Missy, Bill. He's admitted all those in interviews. Not a word about Clara. Her first season, he was so busy doing the 50th, everything else just slid by; he tried to fix it, and it was better but it still wasn't right and he overcompensated. He was always trying to make a flawed thing good, and he couldn't. It was more like incredible arrogance that kept him at it, that he could take an element that wasn't working and MAKE it work through sheer will. I believe it's a mistake for a showrunner to let an actor or actress playing the Companion to dictate when he or she leaves. (The Doctor, yes.) I think he would have lost Clara after two seasons but the actress wasn't ready, and Steven wasn't prepared to tell her, "Well, I am. Go." When I think we could have had two seasons with Bill instead--!!!
When i saw hell bent on no1 i was like wtf??? But duuuuude you make excellent points!
Looove the Beast Below but SO AGREE with it being badly placed. His rage toward Amy makes no sense and that always irritated me.
Maybe he went back in time?
Thanks for the Hell Bent rant. It was justified. I was honestly shocked, and not in the good way.
Lol The Bells Of Saint John is my favourite episode! Also I’ve heard that The Time Of The Doctor was meant to be Series 8, but Matt Smith wanted to leave so the series was condensed into one episode. I don’t know if that would make it better, I actually like the episode, but I feel like it would be a cool idea.
Yes, Matt dropped out at the last second on series 8. Therefore, Moffat had to write one season in an hour episode. So for what Time of the Doctor is, I think it works quite well.
thejamsterx Moffat didn't have to throw all that out, he could have continued those stories but a little differently due to the regeneration and new actor, though I do understand that casting Capaldi allowed them to give the Doctor and Clara an uncertain relationship which was very fitting for Capaldi's first season.
But Chris Chibnall and future showrunners should continue planned stories when a Doctor walks out on them, a face and personality change doesn't have to mean completely change the following season and throwing out its planned story arcs, that's a knee jerk reaction and is poor way of handling a regeneration.
Fishy the fall of the eleventh and the battle of Trenzalore had to be told with 11 as the doctor. Moffat wanted to clear up the silence arc before the new doctor joined.
And he didn't do it too well, as they're reduced to confessors who are enlisted for a half-assed bootstrap paradox plot.
I did think trenzalore should have been a full series, nice to know I was right
I think that Moffat's problem with Hell Bent was he failed to get across where the Doctor was coming from because I don't see it as the Doctor seeing Clara as any more important than other companions. You're forgetting that Clara died as a result of the Time Lords ensnaring the Doctor and his actions afterwards are a direct response to that i.e they're pissing all over the rules so he retaliates in like fashion although I still think you are right about him shooting the other Time Lord. But you really went into me rant style (which I do a lot of with new who)and for that I'll take my hat off to you as it's good to see someone else who can be that passionate about Dr.Who
That rant was awesome
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I agree with almost you're entire list, all exept Time of the Angels/Flesh and Stone which I personally liked and Time of the Doctor which is one of my favorite episode, but everyone has their own opinion. I love all your Doctor Who videos and can't wait to see more, thanks for all you do.
Just watched your other review of best Moffat and whilst you argue your case(s) with passion personally I would reverse both categories . Heaven sent was one of the only episodes I regard as thirty minutes of wasted life . True the ending was great and felt greater after the sheer confusion preferring .
He'll Bent isn't Moffats best but certainly not the worst . There were a lot of loose ends to be tied up and Clara was necessary for the hybrid thread to conclude . The ending leaves scope for a future return . For me Blink was his best as a stand alone Doctor light episode after the awful Love and monsters of the first series . Loved the passionate rant even though I disagree it's great to hear different views of a great programme .
gonna come out and say it, pandorica opens and the big bang are my two favorite episodes of 11
I just watched this today so I'm late to comment, but just to be clear...you didn't like He'll Bent, right? Just checking😂😂😂. Great rant!
Again, considering how our opinions tend to differ a lot, we have surprisingly similar lists here too. My top ten worst are
10 Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone (Agree with everything you said about it really)
9 Bells Of Saint John (Forgettable and didn't do much with interesting ideas)
8 The Wedding of River Song (Interesting ideas but wow it was a confusing mess)
7 Angels Take Manhattan (Lots of plot holes and then the companions die by being forced to live to death...)
6 Asylum Of The Daleks (Fanservice for the sake of fanservice doesn't impress me)
5 Deep Breath (The moment we should have seen him coming into his own as the Doctor they just cut back to Clara- series 8 in a nutshell)
4 Time of the Doctor (Trying to fit a season's worth of plot into one Christmas special just didn't work)
3 Extremis (Generally I hate episodes like this where it turns out it was all a dream/never happened/is out of continuity)
2 The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe (Neat concept, but shame the script felt underdeveloped)
1 Hell Bent (totally agree with your rant)
I LIKED Extremis, mostly, for what it was. The Monk trilogy fizzled out though.
Your anger over hell bent is righteous
Have to disagree with Beast Below. To me this was how a started to learn about 11, rather than it requiring that development to work
How did “The Day of the Doctor” not make this list?? The way it not only ruins the Time War, but ruins the morals of it and the whole previous era of New Who. Read “The Day of the Doctor: a Case of Canon vs. Canon” if you don’t know what I’m talking about.
Samuel Dunford no it doesnt, because 9 and 10 will have forgotten about their encounter with 11.
Its actually a very clever way to move on from the whole "I m so sad that time lords die" thing and helps to make the show change
The problem for me will remain always the stupid shit idea of the War Doctor. I don't care about Ecclestone and his non returning for the special, the whoe idea is just stupi, schizophrenic and well stupid again.
@@concettasorvillo3719 if it wasnt nine, it should have been 8th, HE was the one who fought in the time war
And I have a soft spot for deep breath - my first ever doctor who episode. And deep breath is my top ten favorite capaldi's episode
NoverMaC That Mirror is course!
love the part where she's abandoned by the Doctor and has to hold her breath and robot walk out the room.
It's soch a bad episode.
I feel like the angels in time of the angels were killing because they were too weak to do it, they do mention in 'the angels take manhattan' that the chained up angel is too weak to do it.
'Teasing but not delivering' should be the title of Steven Moffat's autobiography
I love the time of the angels/flesh and stone, in my top 10 doctor who episodes, but that's fair criticism of the angles -- I always thought they killed the people because they weren't strong enough to zap them back. Didn't like how we saw the angels move because in blink, the camera always counted as a viewer, and how Amy got away with acting like she can't see
10: Twice Upon a Time
9: Time of the Doctor
8: Asylum of the Daleks
7: Listen
6: Last Christmas
5: The Magician’s Apprentice/The Witch’s Familiar
4: The Doctor, The Widow, and The Wardrobe
3: Let’s Kill Hitler
2: The Wedding of River Song
1: Hell Bent
I actually enjoyed 10 8, 5 ; 5 had one of the best entrances I've ever seen, 10 had the christmas armatise and the precious first regeneration and a not too bad story.
knew Hellbent would show up on this list 😂
Omg you really made me laught with the way you get so upset with Hell Bent! Your face was turning red🤣 thanks for that!
It would not have resolved itself without him. The crack in time was only there because of him and Amy.