My Experience with the new LFP Battery during a Canadian Winter in a Tesla Model 3
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- Опубліковано 29 бер 2022
- Feel free to ask questions in the comments below, and I will respond. I know I was nervous about buying the latest Model 3 with the LFP Battery, and there was very little Canadian experience with this battery, because it is still so new. I previously owned a 2020 Model 3 and I am able to compare my experience with the 2020 battery and the new 2022 LFP Battery, as an owner who does not have a garage!
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I want to say first, thank you. I found this video because I was seeing how viable the Tesla Model 3 LFP would be in winters of -10F to -30F. I have a portion that I drive that is 145 miles between supercharging. I am confident it should be able to make it based on gathered information, though I may not be fully able to go the posted speed, but this is wonderful since current prices for Model Y Long Range are out of my income range at the moment. I appreciate the point and thoughtful approach you take on your explanations, wishing the best!
I'm glad you found those helpful! I'm still loving the LFP battery. Especially being able to charge it to 100%. You will have no trouble making 145 miles between chargers. I am the same and simply can't afford them higher priced models. Now I am wondering why I was even considering the higher priced models! The RWD Model 3 is fantastic!! Cheers.
Great input kind sir!
Thanks!
Those efficiency numbers are incredible. We have a 2021 Model 3 LR and I really like the updated Model 3 coming and will probably go with standard range model.
The numbers continued to improve especially now that I have been driving through the summer months. Really happy with this battery!
I just received my 2022 LFP SR and sold my 2019 SR+ NCA in December 2021. Acceleration is the only downside, everything else is amazing with the new model in terms of efficiency. The highly efficient 990 motor, ability to charge to 100% (440km range) with the heat pump are all positives which make the new model a no-brainer.
I agree, charging to 100% is incredibly nice. Of course I don't do that at superchargers but I do charge to 100% regularly at home. The acceleration is slightly less and I also noticed the difference! Thanks for your comments!
Does it have rear seat and wheel heated?
@@andrei7043 Yes
how much more efficient would you say the 990 is over the 980?
In the winter months here in Norway I plug my model 3 LFP in immedeately when coming home, and set the amperage to the lowest (5A). That way the battery do not finish charging in the middle of the night and freezes, or if I used the chargetimer; freezes after parking, and then have to thaw in the middle of the night for the charge. On the lowest amp setting the battery gets a slow steady 1.2 kW charge from the second I park the car, 'til I drive away in the morning, keeping the battery nice and lukewarm the whole time.
If I need to I can crank it up to 32 A! But i never charge faster than I need to! Thus spreading the charge out over the whole time the car is parked. Just a tip!
Here when the temperatures are no colder than -20°C I'm ok to just schedule the charge so my car is ready in the morning (using about 18Amps). But in colder weather your idea will keep the battery warm and happy all the time. Good tip!
Good one
At 0 degree C works good? That's great! Actually you have amazing numbers!
Yes I'm really relieved about the numbers! I was scared it was going to be a bad experience. Many days here were -12°C to -20°C and it still worked fine. The key is definitely to charge the car during the night so that in the morning the battery is not so cold and it will be ready to go for your daily commute! I commute each day 135 km!
It is a property of LFP batteries, if you would try to charge them above 5c you permanently damage the battery. You can slowly discharge and the internal resistance of the battery will slowly heat it until it is above 5c. Best advice is to just leave it plugged in and precondition.
Luckily the Tesla engineers understand this and make sure the battery is at the right temperature before charging takes place.
@@NabifroeseI know I just got one couple of days after posting this haha. Great cars.
Thank you so much for sharing the video, I live in northern Indiana and the model 3 rwd with lfp will arrive in a few weeks and the snow season is approaching, I would like to ask if you use snow tires? Is it safe to drive on snow with rwd after using snow tires?
It is one of the only things you need to buy once you get your model 3! Snow tires are wonderful as they provide very good traction even though the car is rear wheel drive! I have grown up driving in winter and because of the weight of the Tesla and the way it is balanced it performs very well on slippery conditions provided you have snow tires!
Thanks for this! Same boat as you, no garage, Canadian winter. I was wondering if cold fast charging was even possible with LFP batteries after reading about someone’s experience, but yes, it seems to be, even if slower. How was the rear wheel drive on the snow?
I’m assuming that arriving at a fast charge station after driving for a while would also preheat the battery a bit, so long distance winter travel seems feasible. And now with Tesla charging by kWh instead of time in Canada, the only downside to LFP is that you have to wait a bit longer. You can always bring a book and keep it in the car ;)
I just wish they offered a dual motor version. Preferably with their supplier CATL’s new Shenxing LFP battery that is more energy dense and faster charging, especially in the cold. But even current LFPs are safer and have a spectacular cycle life in comparison to traditional chemistries, which should make it the default choice at the moment (unless you really, really need insane performance and/or extra range, or 4 wheel drive).
Hi there, you are right if you drive the car it begins to preheat the battery if you tell the car that you are planning to supercharge it! Most days I just schedule the charge so that it ends in the morning just before I leave and it is perfectly warm and functions beautifully! I hope you enjoy your car whatever it may be!
Great review sir! I’m picking mine up next Wednesday as 23 model 3 with LFP. Think of driving Uber as part time job. How to you think of it’s handling under Toronto snow as a RWD car?
You will really enjoy driving the car and that means driving for Uber will feel like you are getting paid for having fun! With my job I drive 150 km per day and I can say the handling in the winter is excellent provided I have good winter tires. Congratulations on your new car coming soon! Very exciting.
Great video, thanks for doing. I live in Barrie and have had a hard time deciding between the LFP SR and the AWD LR. In your experience is 250- 300km between charges out of the question in this car on a January day? Thanks again for the review and all the feedback to the comments.
I think the car can achieve the kilometers that you are asking about even in the winter. If you don't want to worry about it the long range maybe worth it but I have found the car does much better than I had imagined even in the winter. I'm really happy with it so far and I can't say this about many things after owning anything for more than a year! Enjoy!
My new Model 3 SR hasn't arrived yet so it was really great to see your experiences with your car and also read the other positive comments. I live near PTBO so your experiences are perfectly relevant. Do you run the Tesla wheels in winter or did you pick up steel rims for your snow tires.
Hi there I bought both winter tires and steel rims from Peterborough used tire incorporated. The winter tires work fantastic even though it is a rear wheel drive car. Right now I am depressed because somebody rear-ended me and Tesla is not getting the parts to me it has been almost 4 months. This is the only negative I can say about the car because I absolutely love it. I'm sure you will as well thanks for your comments.
@@Nabifroese that’s tragic, and a story no one wants for sure. But it’s a part of Tesla that’s certainly not well documented on the internet and one that should be told. For everyone else’s benefit would you be willing to do this. The right to timely repair is important.
I agree! I called Tesla and warned them I would share this story. They escalated my question and someone from Tesla is going too be calling me within 7 days. Hopefully this leads to some sort of result. I can't say enough about the car, and can't wait to get out back!
@@Nabifroese Hello again.....I hope your discussion with Tesla was fruitful, and that your Tesla will get fixed ASAP. I got word that mine is on its way and that they want the final payment so its getting close.
I have a 2019 LR AWD with speed boost(came that way buying used from Tesla), I love my car but I'm coming up on 60,000 miles and I'm thinking of trading it in. I really don't want my payments to go up so I was thinking of going with a new RWD but I'm just worried about how it does in snow.
I've never switched my tires out for winter tires before and yes I'm sure it would be better to drive it like that but how would it be with the regular all season tires in the snow?
I will miss the speed but don't need it, the range will be really close to what mine is now. I charge at home so I'm not worried about that, just worried about snow?
Thoughts?
I think you will love the RWD. I grew up in Edmonton and drove one snow and ice most off my life. I can't believe how well the Model 3 RWD handles itself in those conditions. It's a combination off the will balanced weight from the battery as well as the Tesla traction control. Obviously a tire can only grip so much, and winter tires are far superior to summer tires on snow. I bought winter tires and rims from my local shop and that saved me $1000 from the winter tire package on Tesla's website. The only thing is you have to get Bluetooth TPMS sensors on the 2021 and newer Tesla's. Enjoy your RWD M3!
this great thank you for the review. how does it drive in the snow? in the GTA we did get few snow storms. which tires did you use?
Being rear wheel drive I thought it would be a problem in to he snow. I grew up in Edmonton and so I am used to icy roads for much of the year. I'm amazed at the traction and the handling of the Tesla in the snow. It feels like I have all-wheel drive! I definitely put on winter tires but I just ordered them from a regular shop in Peterborough. Saved me almost $1000!
My worry is the road salt in Ontario. The LFP battery is supposed to last for a very long time but that will not be helpful if my car rests away after 10 years!
@@Nabifroese sounds promising, Tesla pricing is gone too high and its hard to justify the long range AWD pricing so based on your review RWD is more than enough in Toronto. whats the name of the shop in Peterborough?
Don't let the name fool you these guys were great! Peterborough Used Tire Inc. I had to provide my own Jack pads (hockey pucks!) and they did the rest! I certainly agree all-wheel drive is not necessary.
So does this battery do well if I do not have home charging and also live in a cold climate where the winter temps can get below 0?
Firstly, I would ask " why no home charger?". I have a video how I cheaply installed mine with no garage here. ua-cam.com/video/FtgiXjzj8Ik/v-deo.html
If it's impossible and your car is outside and below 0, you will have to pre-warm the car so the battery can warm itself before getting to the public charging station
Let me know your situation!
Where I live it occasionally goes below 0C. Just out of curiosity will the schedule thing precondition the battery along with the cabin?
Yes it sure will! You are lucky it does not go so cold where you live!
Good video!! what is the Range on a LFP battery in Winter in Canada charged at 100%. Tesla mention to charge the LFP battery at 100% unlike the old battery
As I said in the video, I'm getting pretty good range in the winter. It's been a while since I've watched it, but I think around 20% loss at most.
This battery loves to be charged to 100%. And most owners will love this as well! I do!!
If my car is charged and parked inside my garage in winter, I should be able to get almost summer range? Then I guess when I leave from work and being outside for 9 hours in -20c it will be lowered by about 20%?
Yes you are correct. But remember when you charge the car overnight and it is very cold outside its best to charge it on a schedule that has the carefully charged just before you are about to leave. This way the battery is warm and ready to go so you don't lose a lot of power due to reheating the battery.
What kind of real world range are you getting on a full charge in the cold temps??
If you start off your journey having charged the battery and it is somewhat warm you will get almost the same range as if it was a warmer day. The heat pump in the car seems to help with this because my 2020 Model 3 was more greatly affected when my heater was on. However, if this new LFP battery starts off cold it reduces range because the car is heating the battery. In addition the cold battery temperature means it takes longer for regenerative braking to take effect. I can't just give you a number of kilometers that it goes in cold temperature because I always charge it before it gets below around 20% charge. Perhaps the worst it ever does is about 30% of the range you would normally get on a summer day. I can see this LFP battery will be OUTSTANDING in the summer though!
Hi and thank you for this video! I found it while researching the 2021 M3 SR+. I live in Norway where we occasionally get weeks and weeks of temperatures of -20 to -30 degrees Celsius - now that you have driven (hopefully) your car for longer, would you still recommend the lfp battery for colder climates like mine? My daily commute is roughly 70km in total and I will store the car in a non insulated garage with charging capabilities.
Really, my only concern is the few times a year when I will take longer trips and my closest Supercharger is 240km away. Do you think that could be a problem with a 2021-2022 M3 SR+ or would preheating the battery and charging to 100% and driving at 80km/h make that trip a walk in the park?
Hi there thank you for your message. I am excited for you I think your situation will work perfectly! We have relatives who live in Trondheim! I also do not think you will need to drive 80 km per hour to make it to the supercharger haha! I actually feel better about the battery then I did at first and so I can feel confident that you will also enjoy this car more than any car you have ever owned! Because the car holds its value so well if there were any reason that you did not like the car you can sell it for close to the price that you paid! But I don't think that will be an issue. Have a great day!
@@Nabifroese Really appreciate your input, thanks a lot! I actually live close to Trondheim, a really nice city ;)
I feel myself getting close to pulling the trigger on a low mileage used 2021 SR - just got to close on a house purchase :)
You sound like you might not be Norwegian in the way you write so perfectly? Maybe you are Norwegian with perfect English as well haha! Good luck on your big purchases!
@@Nabifroese Thank you, on both accounts!! Us swedes are famously well versed in English, even those of us living in Norway :)
Nice! Great mastery of English. Shout out to the Swedes! Take care👍
Live in Southern Alberta and looking at buying a Tesla
I drive a lot for work most days 200 km plus and just worried about the range loss in winter / but also sick of spending $700 / $800 per month on gas for work travel
I live in Ontario now but I grew up in alberta. Go Oilers although you may be a Calgary flames fan seeing you are from Southern Alberta LOL. But anyway, 200 km will be no problem even in the cold winter. If you charge the car at your home and have it ready to charge in the morning when you leave the battery will already be warm and so you won't experience much loss of range for the drive to work. When you come home the battery will be cold but you will still have no problem with that distance on a daily basis. Sadly someone rear-ended my Tesla and it has been in the collision repair shop for a long time. I have a rental car and sadly I have to spend more than $100 each week to keep it filled with gas. Insurance does not cover this sort of thing! I can't wait to get the car back. I think you will love the tesla. Just don't get rear-ended!
Hi, what's the difference in range you have in summer and winter?
I will not have a garage at home to charge too, and will commute only 5km to work, I will charge at work.
But I have some doubts about the range in winter for travels at weekends.
You sure are lucky having such a short daily commute! You will not need a charger at home if you are able to charge at work. I am very jealous. Unless you are doing huge trips on the weekends you should be fine. Hopefully if you are making very long trips you will be able to find a supercharger along your route. I find in the winter I don't lose much more than 20% of the range. Of course this depends on how cold things get where you live. Enjoy your ev!
@@Nabifroese Thank you for the answer. I will move to Buchs on Switzerland, not so cold but I think stay around 0~5C at the winter. The cities I will visit will probably be on the summer. For the winter I think will be short trips. For this short commute do you think it's necessary to set pre conditioning timer? In fact I still don't know the distance because I did not move yet. Maybe I will live around 2km of work and go buy bike, walking or electric scooter. Using the car on raining day's and winter.
You will not need to precondition the car with temperatures like that. The car can warm up in only a few minutes in the winter. In fact I think these cars are better for winter than gas cars. No engine to warm up first before warm air is blowing! You will not experience much range loss with those temperatures because it is not very cold compared to canada. Sounds like a fun place to live I hope you enjoy it!
Great video! I'm in Ontario, what kind of range were you seeing in the deep winter?
In the summer when I commute about 65 kilometers on the highway to my job my car uses about 14 to 16% of the battery. In the winter with snow tires and the heater on the car uses no more than 20% of the battery over 65km commute. I never set my screen to show the distance in kilometers because what I really want to know is the percent that my battery is. Kilometers is just a guessing game depending on many different conditions!
If possible it is best to charge the car so that it is finished charging before your morning commute. That way the battery is warm and ready to get the most efficient commute for you!
@@Nabifroese awesome! Thank you for the information, good point about percent vs km, similar to an iPhone, percent is more helpful. I commute 50km one way on the 401 and some back roads from Woodstock to Kitchener. Thanks for the help!
@@Nabifroese PS what is the build quality?
I have owned many cars and overall the Tesla is by far the most reliable and least needing of maintenance than anything I have ever owned. There is simply less to go wrong and when something does go wrong the car is almost like a piece of Lego and very easy to work on. Tesla mechanics are generally in a good mood! Most of my cars I have owned for 10 or more years. I had a 2020 model 3 for $35,000 km or about 1 and 1/2 years and now I have this 2022 model 3 for 35,000 km as well. Seems like good build quality thus far but I only owned each car for less than 2 years now. It is by far the best car I have ever owned whether it is in the winter or the summer.
Here on the seacoast of Quebec North Shore we had quite a lot of -30 to -35 ⁰C low temperatures in January. Even all EVs with the usual NCM batteries got very low battery temperatures . So I guess all LFP batteries driven vehicles combined with the removal of Teslas battery PTCs got stranded as heat pumps only models cannot go down lower than -10 to -15 ⁰C. Transport Canada has been asked to investigate the matter.
Wow that's interesting. We were at -25°C a few times this winter and my car had no trouble. Other than the usual extra power needed to keep me warm while driving! I will have to google to investigate more about the story you are sharing. Thanks for the information.
Provide stats for you claim. From what I read, there were 16 complaints about heat pump cars (nothing to do with LFP btw). Where did you read all LFP vehicles got stranded? Or are you making things up because you vaguely remember some article you skimmed over?
$0.082/kWh? Is that delivered? That's incredibly cheap! We're paying close to $0.15/kWh in Washington DC.
Yes this is the price we pay for electricity after 7:00 p.m. and before 7:00 a.m.. during the day we have prices much closer to what you are paying.
If its -20C and the car is sitting for 8 hours out side will the car heat the cabin reasonability after a few minutes of driving?
Never mind a few minutes of driving the car gets warm within a few minutes of you starting it from your phone! There is no engine to heat up the electric heater turns on immediately. I didn't think an electric car would be better in the winter for things like this than a gas car! It's a million times better.