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Hire stupid officers, get stupid lawsuits. I used to be a cop and those two idiots jumped the gun big time. Young, cocky and stupid..."Will you shut up"? Such professionalism.
They hire stupid officers on purpose. Its very well documented. Reason being, the dept wants the officers to do illegal things and push when they should leave
What smart person, without a narcissistic personality disorder or psychopathy that they want to exercise would wish to become a police officer, given the systemic corruption, though?
@maxsmodels Not exactly detective material are they? A few pertinent questions and a phone call could have cleared this up within ten minutes, but these buffoons though they had the catch of the month and went in full bore. Unfortunately you can't cure stupid. God help America.
She asked for his ID, and took someone into custody within “6-7 minutes” before even “explaining why you are there”?! She’s a big clown and needs to be fired immediately 👎🏼
Officer Mccabe just has little to no presence and doesn't command authority when it is needed, in not being decisive and assertive, it just gave raise to the escalation when it didn't need to happen.
@@marymac789 six or seven minutes to get an id that wouldnt help them in any way and while them saying I will give you her phone number to call the owner
@@alfredpeverly2093 we largely don't. As a person who won a medical malpractice case, every single dollar I won came from the hospitals' insurance, and not the egregiously negligent orthopedic surgeon.
Exactly, I am currently being harassed by some punk ass kid with a badge. He follows me for blocks after work. When i get off work at midnight. He does circles around the block around me and he wonders why I don't like him. And I flip him off every time I see him.
Qualified immunity is only able to stand as long as police officers aren't properly educated. The establishment of a regulated education system, whereas officers are required to know the law would dissolve the need for Qualified Immunity.
Because they are agents of the State. They only serve the public as a very distant second. Their loyalty always has been and will always will be with the State.
@@kellycarver2500he did basically he kept saying in getting arrested for obstruction, of what I didn't do anything or break any laws but their egos refused to hear it and that other guy will probably believe that his buddy was in the wrong unless they're pretty close.
She protected and served that community so hard, it'll neither walk nor shit right for a week. That community is going to regain consciousness and be like _'where am I and why am I handcuffed to this radiator?'_
I like how that security guy did his security work by not even talking with the people first. Is no one going to talk about a security guard wasting resources because he didn't do his job either?
@@kylemendoza8860 yea we don’t know this guys post orders… so it could have been reasonable to assume his orders are to report any and all suspicious activity on the property after hours to local law enforcement. But personally I would likely have approached them to strike conversation after monitoring them for a while. Most likely the security guard was being lazy.
@@caravaneerkhed It's definitely possible. I believe he says he knew the specific employee. Maybe if you had a way to contact her. Maybe call her first. But then it comes maybe he doesn't have access to employee phone numbers. This is just all we don't know.
I mean if the car is there and the employee is not, and there's a guy working on the car then... maybe there's something wrong with the car and he's working on it. Tf?
I actually know the two cops in the video. One peaked in high school and the other was a JROTC kid I put the video in the Alumni FB page and those two left the group and blocked me
The fact is , he doesn't have to explain a goddamn thing. They need to go investigate and until they're convinced that there is a crime. They shouldn't be speaking to the person that they believe committed the crime at all
Yes. He follows the stupid orders of a superior or lead officer in the wrong and becomes part of the problem and the lawsuit. All could have been avoided with better investigation.
What the hell does "A reasonable but mistaken officer could have believed the actions that weren't a crime were a crime" even mean? What an infuriating way to describe a blatant violation of the law on the part of the officers.
@@vyvianalcott1681My father raised me with the belief that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." Apparently that still holds true for citizens, but not for officers. The one person who should definitely understand the law forwards and backwards is a police officer
I agree that the judge should not be in that position. Them vs. us mentality , no way a judge can be that ignorant of the most basic laws. The mechanic knows more than he does and can fix a broken vehicle. Kangaroo court at its finest with zero accountability.
@@SpinoneJRyou saw damage? I mean you said literally so I assume you have evidence of damage? I've wrenched on cars for 50 years and had several fall off of jacks....none suffered any damage. Tell us you have no knowledge of auto repair without telling us you have no knowledge of auto repair.
The fact that they didn’t bother calling the owner and didn’t bother to let the mechanic even explain what was happening was absurd. What would his ID prove? A bunch of young cops who probably can’t add 2+2.
They are obsessed with the ID cause there's a small chance if they run it they'll find he has unpaid tickets or something stupid and they get a payday. That's all it is. They assume everyone is guilty, they just need to prove it.
the fact that the district court originally said that a reasonable but mistaken officer could have believed an officer believed that failure to produce ID constituted a crime is a justifiable reason to arrest the citizen is absolute insanity. That judge basically said that the officer has no obligation to know the law but just because he believes he is right he can violate the law. This is absolute insanity and it is very fortunate that the federal court overturned this absolute failure by the judge to adjudicate the event in accordance with law instead of opinion. This is very chilling to see that the district court is willing to allow officers to violate the law just because the may have thought they were justified.
the lowest levels of district judges are literally just drones of the blue line gang. even when there is case law in THEIR OWN DISTRICT, they continually dismiss cases like this because "poor widdle cops cannot be expected to know the law and do their jobs correctly"
“I’ve been out here for 7-8 minutes now??” Ma’am I could’ve gotten the car owner’s name, phone number, and social media pages in that amount of time with my limited civilian resources. You spent eight minutes harassing a mechanic, and nothing else 😂
@@snakeplisskin2570 it’s pathetic…. I’ve seen officers be more patient with people that were much more suspicious, and volatile. She could’ve ran his plate and had dispatch contact the owner of the vehicle. She’s over here wasting everyone’s time, for what? For a paid laborer to be arrested for doing the job he was paid to do….. no class
It's a nice first step, but until lawsuits that do stick take money from cops' pensions and not taxpayer money, they still have no real incentive to do the job properly.
Australian cop here, 20+ years. When i went through training back when, it was drilled into us to know the common laws and regulations that we were most likely to deal with on any given day. And to know what powers you had and didn't have. And when in doubt, get a second opinion (senior officer). It's not foolproof, but it will definitely serve you well. On saying all that, some people are just stupid and/or don't have common sense.
A lot has changed in 20 years. Your brethren now arrest people for "hate speech" and for exercising their constitutional rights. Australia has fallen immensely.
The district court who granted these officers qualified immunity should also get an F, for failing to look at the facts of the case, giving the officers qualified immunity at the drop of a hat without bothering to look at the evidence, and failing to provide basic common sense.
It's something I've said for a long time. Never expect any justice at the lower courts. They don't actually want to make any determination as to your civil rights so they will just rubber stand in favor of the government.
The district court ruled that a stupid illiterate policeman was actually a reasonable policeman even though his ignorance led to misapplying the law and a false arrest.
Showing his ID would have provided zero proof of criminal activity one way or the other. Female cop has the law backwards. Failure to ID is a secondary offense.
Not only that, not once did I hear her ask for his name. The law as stated in the video does not require you to show ID, only to truthfully provide your name and address, and that still requires reasonable suspicion.
@@neilbaldwin1492 There is NO state that is a stop and ID. Not even in Ala BAMA. Read the laws and know your rights or suffer. 16:24, listen to it again, and then re-wind it and listen to it again.
The two cops should receive a jail sentence and be required to settle the lawsuit with their own money!!! These cops will not learn and do have any reason to learn if they are not made to pay personal consequences for their actions. The lawsuit is going to be against the department and come from tax payers and that is just plain wrong!!! Take the cops' houses and belongings!!!
We've been paying these goons salaries for 5 years now after they kidnapped an innocent citizen. They also defamed a local business owner. We need justice. That lady needs to be in prison for years.
Both of them should experience the US prison system. Dont skip the fun booking process either. And the county time but they should experience it for sure.
Fire the idiots that said they had qualified immunity too. If being ignorant of the law is no excuse for a civilian, how can it be reasonable for a cop to be ignorant of the law?
Police are civilians. If they were held to even a fraction of the accountability our armed forces are held to, we wouldn't have a police force because they would all be in Leavenworth. Our true heroes should not even get compared to these rejects who wanted to join.
The law/court system is severely damaged probably beyond all hope of repair that being said I'd sure rather be here than other places like North Korea.
Philippines would be a decade and so corrupt, it is hard to explain to an American how many countires are compared to the USA. I'm an American, but been to 26 countires with lots of time overseas.
Just let the cops do whatever and comply... You can always take them to court later. It may cost many thousands of dollars and be a decade later, but you might just get a small win if you don't get too many corrupt judges.
Did that district court just try to use the "the cops didn't know the law so it's okay" argument? If that doesn't work for us, why should that work for them?
Because the federal government does everything it can to keep our rights "out of reach". They even abuse their own authority and CREATE laws that, in effect, hold our LEO's to be ABOVE the law. Things like Qualified Immunity. The Supreme Court has the responsibility to interpret the law, NOT create law. They knew what they were doing when they made it. And they knew it wouldn't stand up indefinitely so to further obfuscate our ability to prove any violations of our rights they "invented" the oh so popular "well established rights" condition to our rights. They know this also won't last indefinitely so I can't wait to see what their next rabbit out of their hat looks like.
5 years after the incident and the lawsuit is still ongoing, which includes one court's BOGUS attempt to give these dumb cops qualified immunity. our justice system is such a joke.
@@knowEyeDeer I didn't explain the joke. I simply added just a touch of context for those not familiar with the reference. And there are many who aren't in on the joke. I added just enough to make such a person ask a question. It's always better to have more people understand something as opposed to keeping it in a small and potentially smug circle. But I do apologize, as It was never my intention to infringe upon or steal the thunder from the creative wordplay of an amazing joke writer. So, dude, have a beer on me and relax.
@@knowEyeDeer Well, I respected Andy Griffith and Barney Fife. I grew up with those guys and wish more cops today had their demeanor. But . . .yeah. That's not the case. If I hear "Here's the deal" from a cop one more time . . .
@@jackson_craft_gamingscates9324no, it's just cops. Young children understand American law better than any pig. See the many videos of children winning legal debates with dead eyed dirty cops. 😂
The 1st judge that attempted to let those criminals off need to be permanently removed from the bench, barred from holding any government job and personally held liable in the lawsuit along with the other criminals! If true accountability started happening across the board at every level, the system would be cleaned up in no time 🤦🏾
It's too bad they lost absolutely nothing. Both of these cops are going to stay employed at their station, if anything they just got a week paid vacation for their "training" after the lawsuit goes through. They're going to pay for the lawsuit with tax money . Nothing will leave their pockets.
@jennym007 I was unable to find out if the two cops were actually fired, but probably not, unless their was a long documented history of similar behavior. But they undoubtedly carry insurance provided for them at taxpayer expense to cover lawsuit awards in cases where their qualified immunity is stripped. They may also have protected their assets in other ways. It is highly unlikely that they lost much at all, which is why this behavior continues, a total lack of personal accountability.
“He’s going to jail for obstructing an investigation.” The public is under absolutely no obligation to assist with their investigation, and that is now a jailable offense. Don’t forget about the constitution
@mike73ng that's just it though, there was no obstruction. She is free to conduct her investigation. He didn't make an attempt to stop her or obstruct her ability to do her job within its clear mandate.
I have no idea how is that difficult? Somebody calls to report suspicious activity. Why can't they ask simple questions? Get simple answers. Contact the vehicle owner and the owner of the park instead of going blind like that
An HONEST OPINION, from a 77 year old, who has never been in trouble with the law, this SHAMES every level of law that saw him locked up and kept two cops in a job
Because that would have been not only LOGICAL, but good police work, ie: do their investigation. They're lazy and an arrest "looks good" for them. Nevermind how it impacts the souls these cops swore to serve and protect.
Because security guards are often cowards whose only solution to anything is immediately calling the police. They need to be trained better. Just because someone could be out there committing a crime doesn't mean they are, and they are in fact most likely not. Furthermore, just because someone might be committing a crime doesn't mean they're going to have a weapon, and even armed criminals aren't all that likely to attack a security guard for merely questioning them. If you're that terrified of confrontation, look for a new line of work. All of this could have been prevented with a simple conversation and phone call to the mechanic's client. The crooked cops here simply made a bad situation even worse.
He doesn't get paid enough to put his personal safety on the line over somebody's car. What if they had been stealing the catalytic converter? What if they had wrenches or a sawzall or actual weapons? Nah, this is 100% on the dumb chick cop and her simp partner
Security guards don't get paid enough to deal with suspected car thieves that might have guns. That's why cops were called. Don't blame the security guard for what is essentially the cop's responsibility. And yes the cops screwed up big time, but they are supposedly trained for these kind of situations, security guards have few if any training.
@@thagenet lol no they aren’t. Legal definitions include the elements needed to prove a crime was committed, such as intent. Your definition didn’t include any of that, so it’s clearly nonsense from Websters or google. No offense, but next time look things up a bit before you comment out of turn.
These cops wouldn't last a single shift at McDonald's if this is the language they use when dealing with the public; *how sad that cops are held to a lower standard than a McDonald's employee...*
I can understand language. I was in the military. I don't understand the language in regards to this situation though. They weren't being belligerent. They were trying to explain the situation. All these two officers did was waste their time, this guys time, the jail processor's time, and their own money (they were denied qualified immunity in this matter)
The District Court Judge should also get an F for not knowing clearly established constitutional law and his uneducated interpretation. They were just protecting the local officers at the expense of an innocent man.
*WHAT ABOUT* the 'security guard' who observed this, and instead of doing their job and going over to see what's up - decides to call the cops while quaking in their boots in some nearby building.
@@perryelyod4870 they can absolutely inquiry within the compound. What about observe and report to management? even if its late. Maybe management knew about the car broken down. To me, the guard was either tied by policy or plain lazy.
Local courts across the country are notorious for misapplying the law in their rulings to benefit the cops & prosecutors. They damn well know that there are multiple Supreme Court rulings about not being able to force someone to hand over an ID card or DL, except as a driver during a lawful traffic stop. Its the same in all 50 states. They do this in hopes that the person suing doesn't have enough money to file an appeal, which does work in their favor much more than it should.
@@amy.gali13 Its a "close enough to actual probable cause" ruling that further erodes our constitutional civil rights. Aside from the mental gymnastics needed to even bring up arguable probable cause is the complete ignoring by the local court of Supreme Court precedence related to demanding physical ID under threat of arrest. Its common knowledge and the judge who granted QI should be removed from the bench and disbarred.
The law says “Ignorance is no excuse” when it come to us breaking a law we did not know was illegal. But at the same time cops get “Qualified Immunity” when they claim they had no idea it wasn’t illegal arrest someone for not giving ID. Two sets of rules, one for us, the opposite for them.
I remember a deputy in my parish stopping a 15yo intoxicated female who was walking the roads at night. Instead of getting ahold to her guardian, he took her to his house and slept with her. The Livingston Parish Sheriff Office gave the deputy the most horrible punishment a Louisiana law enforcement officer can get.... They fired him.
EQUAL JUSTICE MANDATES THE EQUAL JUSTICE ABOVE THE LAW FOR CITIZENS. QUALIFIED IMMUNITY WITH CITIZEN-IMPUNITY FOR EQUAL AGRESSIVE PROTECTIONS BEYOND THE PRESUMPTIOUS SCOTUS ASSSSUMPTIONS AS REVEALED BY THEIR HIDDEN AND PURCHASED/BRIBED COMPLICITCIES. $4+ M =THOMAS
That’s is call corruption, we go to jail for something we didn’t know that violated the law, but the people who are enforcing it get a pass when they sign a contract to know the laws they are enforcing…
Why is everyone (90%) so obtuse on this channel, people call because they have a concern police investigate and figure out if indeed there is a problem or if there is not, and then if nothing is wrong they leave. In this situation the officers had to confirm that they were allowed to be working on the car, the Son understood that gave his ID, the Father wanted to act smart for some reason until he was threatened with arrest and the complied like a scared dog.
Just because someone makes a phone call doesn't mean (1) their call is legit or truthful and (2) the cops get to violate your 4th A rights while they do a supposed investigation. Automatically putting people in handcuffs while they investigate shouldn't be allowed either. If cops are going to put someone in handcuffs, there better be an arrestable offense. Someone working on a car isn't against the law, so detainment in handcuffs should be considered a kidnapping.
@@buckeyenative1365the cops were legally entitled to verbal ID. They broke the law when they demanded driver's license and arrested him for not producing it. It thier job to investigate, these 2 couldn't investigate a McDonald's menu.
@@sackeshithey need to investigate, rather than showing up with a predetermination of guilt . She should have called like the guy was saying, and discussed with the security guard. Also, that lady who owns the car should have let security know her car was going to be there after hours and that someone would be coming to fix it.
@@dougaltolan3017They aren’t even entitled to an ID. The did not have Reasonable Articulable Suspicion of a Crime, even with the call about it. They had perhaps an Articulable Suspicion of a Crime. But it was not Reasonable. And they made zero attempt to address that lack of Reasonableness. Those men gave an adequate explanation, and their behavior was not consistent with criminality. Further dispelling Reasonableness and Articulableness. They could have attempted to investigate further in order to determine if they were or were not actually working at the request of the Owner. Instead. They attempted to immediately demand ID. Which they did not yet have the appropriate level of Evidence for. Then upon just refusal, they went to Arrest. Which requires actual Probable Cause, which is a higher standard. Which they had nothing approaching, and made zero attempt to obtain either. Instead they began with Obstruction, which is only applied after either RAS or Probable Cause is obtained. Then further more than mere failure to obey immediately. Or even mere Passive Resistance while attempting to discuss the Investigation at hand. Under no Rubric of Lawful and Constitutional Use of Force are they Justified. Pretty straightforward if you know the Law as it Stands, and why it exists as it does.
The hostility, arrogance, and blatant disregard for citizens’ rights, displayed by these two “peace officers” shows that neither one should be employed by any police department, except in a janitorial capacity (no offense to janitors).
What a joke! The dude cop walked right up to the poor guy and stood there just chomping at the bit to pounce on the guy and put him in cuffs. Hope the guy wins his lawsuit and those two morons get fired!
That guy just wanted to waste the officers time. He was fully willing to comply after being arrested yet before it was "I don't have to show you my ID muh rights I'm big I'm strong" then he folded like a wet paper towel when his convictions about "I don't have to ID myself" was tested. Next time he's gonna comply.
@sackeshi you may want to read the 4th Amendment. Also, when the law states one doesn't have to ID unless they have committed a crime.... they don't have to ID. The reason most people don't ID until threatened with arrest is to preserve their 4th A rights so they can have a basis for a lawsuit against the cops.
The way she is so proudly ignorant and believes she's justified is terrifying. There is absolutely no reason she should have her job still, snd should never be an officer again. Disgusting.
The actions of these ego driven officers showcase a much larger systematic problem. These two officers are disgusting and should be removed from that job.
What kinda thief works on someone’s car during broad daylight in an openly active area? Why isn’t the simple explanation of “I’m a mechanic working on a customers car” not good enough? What would their ID prove? Asking for their business card would even make more sense.
Exactly. And the security guard should be fired too, because he didn't just bother asking them what was going on. Then he could have called the owner himself instead of risking their lives by calling the police.
I wasn't trying to explain away the cops' actions, btw. The wheel was off. I've never seen a catalytic converter thief remove a wheel. These 2 cops deserve prison for abusing their power.
It drives me nuts when they act so smug, treat civilians as if they are their child, they then retaliate by arresting them, and act as if NOT arresting you is some kind of favor, that the cop is no longer willing to give, due to the dissrespect they felt you gave them....
They literally train them to viilate your civil rights. They train them to lie about the law and to think they are Judge Dredd. All 100% Of Cops Are Bastards.
I can see obstruction as an individual charge but it should be narrowed as the police have just been using it as a catch-all. Resisting, on the other hand, should not be a standalone charge.
@@kinglewis6553 The gov has proven they're untrustworthy with such laws in their tool belt. It'd be one thing if the only people you saw getting arrested for obstruction on it's own were people who stopped gov officials from providing important medical care to someone, but that's not the case.
@NathanaelCrapo I'm agreeing on that point it is being misused. That's why I think it should be narrowed, after-all is possible to obstruct without committing another crime
Go court of appeals! Mr. Edgers did right in suing! Those cops were ignorant and impatient and obviously decided they’d arrest him without doing any real investigation! Poor policing.
They "dont have time" to do things the legal way. It's inconvenient to respect the laws or rights of citizens. I wonder if that lady cop will stand by her principles that someone who breaks the law, even a "good person", should go to jail. By her logic she broke the law, she should go to jail. I do not think she is a good person, though.
A Reasonable Officer would seen what they were doing and would have said something like "Hey man sorry to bother you but I got called here. Is this your car your working on? No? It's a customer of yours who called you out here? Thank's for telling me even though you didn't have to. I'm going to explain this to the caller who could have asked you this themselves. Have a nice night."
Yes, he obstructed my investigation...cops in the US the only investigating they can do is run IDs. They can't think to themselves what's going on here, let me speak to the caller and see what's going on.
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Why did they only harass the one dude? Total doooshbaag tyrants!
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Hire stupid officers, get stupid lawsuits. I used to be a cop and those two idiots jumped the gun big time. Young, cocky and stupid..."Will you shut up"? Such professionalism.
They hire stupid officers on purpose. Its very well documented. Reason being, the dept wants the officers to do illegal things and push when they should leave
The shut up surprised me it's not that he said but the way he did too such disrespect
What smart person, without a narcissistic personality disorder or psychopathy that they want to exercise would wish to become a police officer, given the systemic corruption, though?
@maxsmodels
Not exactly detective material are they? A few pertinent questions and a phone call could have cleared this up within ten minutes, but these buffoons though they had the catch of the month and went in full bore. Unfortunately you can't cure stupid.
God help America.
I don’t think it is a stupid lawsuit.
"If you break the law, you have to go to jail."
Is she in jail?
I hope so, but we all know that's not going to happen.
It’s different when they do it
Well though you have a perfect point however the blue line kids can perform miracles that us lowly pee ons can’t do
Rules for thee not for me !
They are Sovereign Citizens the law doesn’t apply to the blue criminals
She asked for his ID, and took someone into custody within “6-7 minutes” before even “explaining why you are there”?! She’s a big clown and needs to be fired immediately 👎🏼
That's offensive, to clowns
Officer Mccabe just has little to no presence and doesn't command authority when it is needed, in not being decisive and assertive, it just gave raise to the escalation when it didn't need to happen.
Six or seven minutes??? How about three to five? Bish needs some comeuppance!!!!
@@marymac789 six or seven minutes to get an id that wouldnt help them in any way and while them saying I will give you her phone number to call the owner
@@marymac789 There's a fast forward in there - but presumably where she wasn't talking to anybody. The actual interaction is a lot less than three.
That male cop shouldn’t even be a cop.
That's why they paired him with that girl who shouldn't be a cop.
NEITHER of them should ever be a cop.
Was he a male though? Barely maybe
*female cop
@@ChrisHunsberger1 yes. Females don’t want him. We already have to deal with her.
Cops need to be financially responsible for mistakes they make, not the taxpayers.
It's interesting to me that we hold doctors and nurses to that standard, but not police officers
@@alfredpeverly2093 we largely don't. As a person who won a medical malpractice case, every single dollar I won came from the hospitals' insurance, and not the egregiously negligent orthopedic surgeon.
@@brqxton8974That's called Malpractice insurance which every doctor pays into
@@brqxton8974 A doctor has the insurance to cover their mistakes as you said. Police mistakes are paid for by you and me. Not insurance.
And Qualified Immunity was MADE UP by the US Supreme Court, which is ILLEGAL. They can't make up law, but they keep doing so.
Dear cops, this is why you’re hated
The PIGNORANCE in America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I laugh every time I read Officer Down Memorial Page ODMP 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly, I am currently being harassed by some punk ass kid with a badge. He follows me for blocks after work. When i get off work at midnight. He does circles around the block around me and he wonders why I don't like him. And I flip him off every time I see him.
@@jovangarcia-reyes17sounds like you're being stalked by a cop
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They arrested a Genuine Honest and gentle soul for simply doing his job. Absolutely disgusting.
Meanwhile, they're letting illegals walk right across the border, no questions asked.
That’s who they go after,not people
WITH THIS INJUSTICE, LET CITIZENS SET THE MAXIMUM RETALLIATIONS OF PERSONAL LEO FINANCIAL ACCOUNTABILITIES!
Feel so sad about it 😢 where is freedom ?
@@georgedunkelberg5004 No
Punishing a guy because you don’t know the laws you enforce. This is infuriating.
Why is ignorance of the law not an excuse that a citizen can use but an ignorant police officer gets a pass?
Still a thing in Italy
Qualified immunity is only able to stand as long as police officers aren't properly educated. The establishment of a regulated education system, whereas officers are required to know the law would dissolve the need for Qualified Immunity.
Because they are agents of the State. They only serve the public as a very distant second. Their loyalty always has been and will always will be with the State.
@@michiganlifepreppers540 🎯
The state protects its own thugs.
Cop says " You don't understand the law" as they are violating the law.
Typical
I kept waiting for him to say, WHAT LAW HAVE I VIOLATED? Because he hadn't violated ANY!
@@kellycarver2500he did basically he kept saying in getting arrested for obstruction, of what I didn't do anything or break any laws but their egos refused to hear it and that other guy will probably believe that his buddy was in the wrong unless they're pretty close.
@@tonebonebgky2 One of the biggest problems is that they protect each other, even when they KNOW one of them is terribly WRONG! IT'S DISGUSTING!
@@kellycarver2500 bingo
And the funny part is how the hell you’re going to tell me what I know
"Good people go to jail too."
Protecting and serving the shit out of her community...
Good people go to jail when bad cops perform lazy investigations.
A very disturbing quote.
tyrants go in the ground when patriots give a shit about their community
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She protected and served that community so hard, it'll neither walk nor shit right for a week.
That community is going to regain consciousness and be like _'where am I and why am I handcuffed to this radiator?'_
The amount of COPS not understanding basic civil rights is ridiculous.
Female cop should be charged with kidnapping.
Don't hold your breath on that one
Don’t single it out… both of them were in the same boat, both was St00pid…. No exceptions
The other cop should too. He didn't bother to ask or verify that she was correct before assaulting and cuffing the guy.
She’s not a cop she’s a dirty SOW.
Under color of law, no less
This female officer is a danger to the public
They're *_all_* dangerous to the public.
So is every other female officer.
@@derekd4538Not only to the public, but to themselves
these two cops are oTistik lol
"I'm not here to listen to you, awraht?"
The way that rookie cop is acting is ridiculous. Both these cops have a 5th grade education.
Why is it that those who enforce our laws are required the same level of education as a shift manager at mcdonalds
Stop insulting 5th graders
Why would you insult every 5th grader in the country like that?
Most 10 year olds have at least a basic grasp of logic.
Riiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhht….😂😂😂😂 this chick is straight off the Hee Haw Farm!
Maybe
I like how that security guy did his security work by not even talking with the people first. Is no one going to talk about a security guard wasting resources because he didn't do his job either?
Maybe the employers instructions is di not approach?
@@kylemendoza8860 yea we don’t know this guys post orders… so it could have been reasonable to assume his orders are to report any and all suspicious activity on the property after hours to local law enforcement. But personally I would likely have approached them to strike conversation after monitoring them for a while. Most likely the security guard was being lazy.
@@caravaneerkhed
It's definitely possible. I believe he says he knew the specific employee. Maybe if you had a way to contact her. Maybe call her first. But then it comes maybe he doesn't have access to employee phone numbers. This is just all we don't know.
Security guards usually just observe and report
I mean if the car is there and the employee is not, and there's a guy working on the car then... maybe there's something wrong with the car and he's working on it. Tf?
Those 2 "cops" and the judge who granted qualified immunity are a danger to society.
Cops commit hate crime against 2 people.
1. Mr Edger.
2. The lady who owns the red car. Leaving it in the parking lot.
This is truly terrifying. Innocent hard working people have to fear the police in 2024.
@@chasman9662 you don't know what "hate crime" really means, do you? I hope you're not one of those plebs that vomits "all crimes are hate crimes"
@@nunyabidness323 been that way since 1776
Absolutely, that judge needs disbarring.
This female should NEVER wear a badge of any kind.He was under no obligation to ID.
Just a Walmart badge
Can't handle challenge to authority
Female? Men are so weird
She didn’t even give him a chance to explain what was going on. She and the male cop are CLOWNS.
He did actually explain but that information wasn't important because we all know the best source of information about crimes is a persons ID.
Its their crack i swear @@JBobjork
I actually know the two cops in the video. One peaked in high school and the other was a JROTC kid
I put the video in the Alumni FB page and those two left the group and blocked me
@@nsahandler😂😂
The fact is , he doesn't have to explain a goddamn thing. They need to go investigate and until they're convinced that there is a crime. They shouldn't be speaking to the person that they believe committed the crime at all
Both of those cops should be fired and jailed for 30 days each and sued
30 days for felony kidnapping?
That young cop walked up intimidating him, like he was saving the day.
They are taught to be bullies.
And of course he’s a skinny twit who thinks he’s a badass 😂
The male cop is just a bully, she is ignorant. I hope the body shop owner gets a huge settlement
Lurch Jr. is a cop?
@@beaversixniner oh 100% I want money to from my pain and suffering ptsd from watching it
That male officer is gonna end up killing someone for no reason. Psychopath with a license to kill. Disgraceful
That's what having a micropenis does to people like that
Yes. He follows the stupid orders of a superior or lead officer in the wrong and becomes part of the problem and the lawsuit. All could have been avoided with better investigation.
Probably not PC to say but she was the main instigator, he just went along with it
Looked like cousin lurch standing behind the guy
@@Jabarri74go back and look how he got behind that man. He was just itching to grab this man and throw him around. He stood behind him like a psycho.
You forgot to give the judge an F aswell. For being a judge and not knowing basic constitution rights that have been settled for decades.
The judge wasn't involved in the police stop.
What the hell does "A reasonable but mistaken officer could have believed the actions that weren't a crime were a crime" even mean? What an infuriating way to describe a blatant violation of the law on the part of the officers.
@@vyvianalcott1681My father raised me with the belief that "Ignorance of the law is no excuse." Apparently that still holds true for citizens, but not for officers. The one person who should definitely understand the law forwards and backwards is a police officer
I agree that the judge should not be in that position. Them vs. us mentality , no way a judge can be that ignorant of the most basic laws. The mechanic knows more than he does and can fix a broken vehicle. Kangaroo court at its finest with zero accountability.
because the initial judge on the lawsuit excused the officers based on logic of state law, and laws that are repugnant to the constitution
The part that scares me is how much the lower courts allow officers and DA's to get away with.
Because most of those people are their buddies, family members. Only when it goes out of that district will you get some fair equality
She says you break a law, you go to jail. So why is she not in jail. End qualified Immunity.
“We don’t got time for this. But we got time to illegally arrest you for working on someone’s car.”
Nah the cops were in the right. They were literally damaging her car. fell off the stand like amateurs or criminals. They saved the car owner
@@SpinoneJRby what law
@@SpinoneJRyou saw damage? I mean you said literally so I assume you have evidence of damage? I've wrenched on cars for 50 years and had several fall off of jacks....none suffered any damage. Tell us you have no knowledge of auto repair without telling us you have no knowledge of auto repair.
@@SpinoneJRteH cOpZ wErE in dA rIgHt
No, they in fact were not in the right. If you took the time to watch the full video.
@@SpinoneJRwhat law was broken, their hurt egos? Never knew that was a law. The guy was never required to ID.
The fact that they didn’t bother calling the owner and didn’t bother to let the mechanic even explain what was happening was absurd. What would his ID prove? A bunch of young cops who probably can’t add 2+2.
this is how they were taught. They then dont know how to think logically when they are told no. Its their way or you get arrested.
I'd is the excuse to get the Crack fix they think they are entitled to
It would prove he's subservient, and that's what it's really all about.
and by "they" you should mean the security
They are obsessed with the ID cause there's a small chance if they run it they'll find he has unpaid tickets or something stupid and they get a payday. That's all it is. They assume everyone is guilty, they just need to prove it.
the fact that the district court originally said that a reasonable but mistaken officer could have believed an officer believed that failure to produce ID constituted a crime is a justifiable reason to arrest the citizen is absolute insanity. That judge basically said that the officer has no obligation to know the law but just because he believes he is right he can violate the law. This is absolute insanity and it is very fortunate that the federal court overturned this absolute failure by the judge to adjudicate the event in accordance with law instead of opinion. This is very chilling to see that the district court is willing to allow officers to violate the law just because the may have thought they were justified.
the lowest levels of district judges are literally just drones of the blue line gang. even when there is case law in THEIR OWN DISTRICT, they continually dismiss cases like this because "poor widdle cops cannot be expected to know the law and do their jobs correctly"
You ate 100% correct. Insane
“I’ve been out here for 7-8 minutes now??”
Ma’am I could’ve gotten the car owner’s name, phone number, and social media pages in that amount of time with my limited civilian resources. You spent eight minutes harassing a mechanic, and nothing else 😂
It's all about power and control. That is how they are trained, to take control.
@@snakeplisskin2570 Just better off to never talk to them at all unless youre detained
@@snakeplisskin2570 it’s pathetic…. I’ve seen officers be more patient with people that were much more suspicious, and volatile. She could’ve ran his plate and had dispatch contact the owner of the vehicle. She’s over here wasting everyone’s time, for what? For a paid laborer to be arrested for doing the job he was paid to do….. no class
Maybe they were trained by Israel to support their economy 😂😂@@snakeplisskin2570
A federal judge in Mississippi, recently also denied qualified immunity to a cop. I hope this is a trend that continues.
It's a nice first step, but until lawsuits that do stick take money from cops' pensions and not taxpayer money, they still have no real incentive to do the job properly.
Female cop with huge control and insecurities paired with a 12 year old boy who played cops and robbers growing up. What could go wrong?
You are so on point with your remark.
This guy probably backed the blue. Lol
The male cop sneaking up in back of him and grabbing was pathetic and cowardly.
The male cop sneaking up in back of him and grabbing was pathetic and cowardly.
I know the second guy is mad that he gave up his ID. It cost him part of a nice lawsuit.
Australian cop here, 20+ years. When i went through training back when, it was drilled into us to know the common laws and regulations that we were most likely to deal with on any given day. And to know what powers you had and didn't have. And when in doubt, get a second opinion (senior officer). It's not foolproof, but it will definitely serve you well. On saying all that, some people are just stupid and/or don't have common sense.
A lot has changed in 20 years. Your brethren now arrest people for "hate speech" and for exercising their constitutional rights. Australia has fallen immensely.
"good people go to jail too" scariest shit a cop can tell you
I thought I was tripping when i heard her say that 😮
Thank God their Qualified Immunity was revoked. Hope they got fired.
I went to school with these two and this does not surprise me in the least. Lol.
I'm about to post this and @ them on FB right now
@@nsahandlerhow’d that turn out? Any response?
@@jakobgallaher2353 blocked so fast that you'd think she asked for my ID
"If you had just complied with my illegal orders I would not have arrested you!"
Definition of Tyranny
Funnily enough, the officers that demand citizens "comply" are often the ones not complying with the law
The court that initially granted qualified immunity gets an "F" also!
That security guard needs to be fired
The district court who granted these officers qualified immunity should also get an F, for failing to look at the facts of the case, giving the officers qualified immunity at the drop of a hat without bothering to look at the evidence, and failing to provide basic common sense.
Qualified immunity should be something the police have to beg for instead of something their victims have to fight.
It's something I've said for a long time. Never expect any justice at the lower courts. They don't actually want to make any determination as to your civil rights so they will just rubber stand in favor of the government.
It will take 10 or 15 years but I think Qualified Immunity will be vanquished eventually
@@gw6667 Likely so but it will likely take 25-50 years or more if this nation keeps going further and further right.
The district court ruled that a stupid illiterate policeman was actually a reasonable policeman even though his ignorance led to misapplying the law and a false arrest.
Showing his ID would have provided zero proof of criminal activity one way or the other.
Female cop has the law backwards. Failure to ID is a secondary offense.
Not only that, not once did I hear her ask for his name. The law as stated in the video does not require you to show ID, only to truthfully provide your name and address, and that still requires reasonable suspicion.
not in Alabama.
@@neilbaldwin1492 There is NO state that is a stop and ID. Not even in Ala BAMA.
Read the laws and know your rights or suffer.
16:24, listen to it again, and then re-wind it and listen to it again.
@@neilbaldwin1492yes officer
@@jong3122less than 2 minutes into the video, the female cop asked for ID and followed up the refusal with an arrest.
that female cop is a clown i hope she gets fired
There’s an argument that women cops shouldn’t exist lol
Won't happen.
She'll already have been promoted or given a commendation.
The male cop was equally as stupid. They both get the award for Ego Granduer.
She needs to be arrested, charged for her crimes, placed in prison, and barred from serving in law enforcement ever again. Same for the second cop.
Female cop? Pretty sure the dude was the ones placing hands on the civilian first
The two cops should receive a jail sentence and be required to settle the lawsuit with their own money!!! These cops will not learn and do have any reason to learn if they are not made to pay personal consequences for their actions. The lawsuit is going to be against the department and come from tax payers and that is just plain wrong!!! Take the cops' houses and belongings!!!
We've been paying these goons salaries for 5 years now after they kidnapped an innocent citizen. They also defamed a local business owner. We need justice. That lady needs to be in prison for years.
And a lot of them make over 100K a year with OT
That part!
Both of them should experience the US prison system. Dont skip the fun booking process either. And the county time but they should experience it for sure.
Then your tax dollars help pay the lawsuits
@@craigvestal1778tax payers are footing the bill for these 5th grade educated cops
Fire the idiots that said they had qualified immunity too.
If being ignorant of the law is no excuse for a civilian, how can it be reasonable for a cop to be ignorant of the law?
Police are civilians. If they were held to even a fraction of the accountability our armed forces are held to, we wouldn't have a police force because they would all be in Leavenworth.
Our true heroes should not even get compared to these rejects who wanted to join.
You are so RIGHT❗️
YEAH!!! What he said!!!
Because the Supreme Court of the USA said so. NO OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD allows such ridiculousness.
@@wessexdruid7598 Italy
5-years later the lawsuit is still pending..? America is a ridiculous place..
The law/court system is severely damaged probably beyond all hope of repair that being said I'd sure rather be here than other places like North Korea.
@@tonebonebgky2why are they the only two options ?
Philippines would be a decade and so corrupt, it is hard to explain to an American how many countires are compared to the USA. I'm an American, but been to 26 countires with lots of time overseas.
No God, no justice.
Yes it is.
No separation of pwr.
No accountability.
We have to take the pwr back because these tyrants are out of control.
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The fact it's taken 4 years to try and resolve this obvious failure is crazy
Just let the cops do whatever and comply... You can always take them to court later. It may cost many thousands of dollars and be a decade later, but you might just get a small win if you don't get too many corrupt judges.
@@ToxicityAssured Well if he gave his ID and had a warrant he would to jail. In addition if he gave the ID it would’ve been a lot harder to sue
The process is the punishment.
@@ToxicityAssuredno people need to not give there rights up saying stuff like this is the reason cops got so aggressive they need to be held in check
Did that district court just try to use the "the cops didn't know the law so it's okay" argument? If that doesn't work for us, why should that work for them?
Because the federal government does everything it can to keep our rights "out of reach". They even abuse their own authority and CREATE laws that, in effect, hold our LEO's to be ABOVE the law. Things like Qualified Immunity. The Supreme Court has the responsibility to interpret the law, NOT create law. They knew what they were doing when they made it. And they knew it wouldn't stand up indefinitely so to further obfuscate our ability to prove any violations of our rights they "invented" the oh so popular "well established rights" condition to our rights.
They know this also won't last indefinitely so I can't wait to see what their next rabbit out of their hat looks like.
5 years after the incident and the lawsuit is still ongoing, which includes one court's BOGUS attempt to give these dumb cops qualified immunity. our justice system is such a joke.
It's been settled recently. The mechanic was awarded $77,000
Lawsuit won't stop them from violating people rights because the money not coming out of their pockets.
A perfect example of why more and more people are losing respect for police.
Can't lose what you never had, brother. Respect is earned not handed out freely like acorns...
@knowEyeDeer Acorns? Cops shoot at you for the mere presence of acorns.
@@Nclght I'm not sure the joke needed explanation, but cheers mate. Take care.
@@knowEyeDeer I didn't explain the joke. I simply added just a touch of context for those not familiar with the reference. And there are many who aren't in on the joke. I added just enough to make such a person ask a question. It's always better to have more people understand something as opposed to keeping it in a small and potentially smug circle.
But I do apologize, as It was never my intention to infringe upon or steal the thunder from the creative wordplay of an amazing joke writer. So, dude, have a beer on me and relax.
@@knowEyeDeer Well, I respected Andy Griffith and Barney Fife. I grew up with those guys and wish more cops today had their demeanor. But . . .yeah. That's not the case. If I hear "Here's the deal" from a cop one more time . . .
There is like a 90 percent chance that when a cop tells someone that they know the law, they don't know the law.
its pretty much a given when u see any person, cop or not, yelling about how they know the law they most likely do not know the law haha
@@jackson_craft_gamingscates9324no, it's just cops. Young children understand American law better than any pig. See the many videos of children winning legal debates with dead eyed dirty cops. 😂
The 1st judge that attempted to let those criminals off need to be permanently removed from the bench, barred from holding any government job and personally held liable in the lawsuit along with the other criminals! If true accountability started happening across the board at every level, the system would be cleaned up in no time 🤦🏾
This channel, and long island auditors are the best..helped me save two friends, separate incidents..keep em coming!
This lady cop needs to be in jail for making illegal arrests . She is a menace to anyone she meets
Finally bad cops are stripped of their qualified immunity. Those cops just lost everything they own. Well done to that judge. A rare good judge.
It's too bad they lost absolutely nothing. Both of these cops are going to stay employed at their station, if anything they just got a week paid vacation for their "training" after the lawsuit goes through. They're going to pay for the lawsuit with tax money . Nothing will leave their pockets.
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@@Endrough You sound like you're stating facts but really you're just stating an opinion.
@jennym007 I was unable to find out if the two cops were actually fired, but probably not, unless their was a long documented history of similar behavior. But they undoubtedly carry insurance provided for them at taxpayer expense to cover lawsuit awards in cases where their qualified immunity is stripped. They may also have protected their assets in other ways. It is highly unlikely that they lost much at all, which is why this behavior continues, a total lack of personal accountability.
The Police union will still pay for his law suit.
“He’s going to jail for obstructing an investigation.”
The public is under absolutely no obligation to assist with their investigation, and that is now a jailable offense. Don’t forget about the constitution
Yes but there is a difference between assisting and obstructing. You don’t have to assist but you can’t obstruct.
@@mike73ng The cop had no right to demand ID, exercising your rights is not obstructing
Not giving an ID when you aren't required to give ID is obviously not obstructing. Did you hear the federal circuit court ruling?@@mike73ng
@@DellikkilleD nobody is arguing that.
@mike73ng that's just it though, there was no obstruction. She is free to conduct her investigation. He didn't make an attempt to stop her or obstruct her ability to do her job within its clear mandate.
I have no idea how is that difficult? Somebody calls to report suspicious activity. Why can't they ask simple questions? Get simple answers. Contact the vehicle owner and the owner of the park instead of going blind like that
Way easier to jump to conclusions than actually attempt to investigate
An HONEST OPINION, from a 77 year old, who has never been in trouble with the law, this SHAMES every level of law that saw him locked up and kept two cops in a job
i'm just happy to see HPD crown vic's with 4-digit unit numbers..... this was just 5 years ago😂 seems like 20
I just don't understand why Security didn't speak with the owner before calling the cops first
Because that would have been not only LOGICAL, but good police work, ie: do their investigation.
They're lazy and an arrest "looks good" for them. Nevermind how it impacts the souls these cops swore to serve and protect.
Righto. They’ll put their momma in prison if it means a promotion down the road.
Yeah. If I was that mechanic, I would have told the car owner to get the security guard to get their car fixed.
Because security guards are often cowards whose only solution to anything is immediately calling the police. They need to be trained better.
Just because someone could be out there committing a crime doesn't mean they are, and they are in fact most likely not. Furthermore, just because someone might be committing a crime doesn't mean they're going to have a weapon, and even armed criminals aren't all that likely to attack a security guard for merely questioning them. If you're that terrified of confrontation, look for a new line of work. All of this could have been prevented with a simple conversation and phone call to the mechanic's client. The crooked cops here simply made a bad situation even worse.
Anyone know if these two scholars are still working as cops running around violating peoples rights?
"Explain to us whats going on?" *starts talking* cops say "shut up"
DAMN RIGHT THEY SHOULDNT HAVE HAD QUALIFIED IMMUNITY! That first judge needs booted he is obviously operating in intrest of the state!
The irony of the officer, while breaking the law, stating, "you don't understand the law"
The security officer who called 911 should’ve just went out and asked what they were doing. All of this could’ve been avoided. So stupid.
He doesn't get paid enough to put his personal safety on the line over somebody's car. What if they had been stealing the catalytic converter? What if they had wrenches or a sawzall or actual weapons? Nah, this is 100% on the dumb chick cop and her simp partner
Unfortunately security guards have no power anymore
Security guards don't get paid enough to deal with suspected car thieves that might have guns. That's why cops were called. Don't blame the security guard for what is essentially the cop's responsibility. And yes the cops screwed up big time, but they are supposedly trained for these kind of situations, security guards have few if any training.
That car is like 50 yards from the front door. You really think his fat ass is gonna walk that far?
@DuJonTHomas That doesn't mean he couldn't go out and ask them what they working on before he called the cops .
This woman broke the supreme law of this country - the 4th amendment - why isn't she being charged with kidnapping?
Because we are slaves
The 4th Amendment is dead.
You don’t know what the legal requirements are for kidnapping if you suggest this. It’s always laughable
@@robv5834 The act of abducting someone and holding them captive. Legal definitions are the same thing as real word definitions of words.
@@thagenet lol no they aren’t. Legal definitions include the elements needed to prove a crime was committed, such as intent. Your definition didn’t include any of that, so it’s clearly nonsense from Websters or google.
No offense, but next time look things up a bit before you comment out of turn.
These cops wouldn't last a single shift at McDonald's if this is the language they use when dealing with the public; *how sad that cops are held to a lower standard than a McDonald's employee...*
I can understand language. I was in the military. I don't understand the language in regards to this situation though.
They weren't being belligerent. They were trying to explain the situation. All these two officers did was waste their time, this guys time, the jail processor's time, and their own money (they were denied qualified immunity in this matter)
@@nsahandlerfalse arrest is an actual crime.
@douglashoward9616
Yeah. But the Federal crime - the one that matters and the one that will not let people get slaps on the wrist- is "color of law."
For real
Great point
The District Court Judge should also get an F for not knowing clearly established constitutional law and his uneducated interpretation. They were just protecting the local officers at the expense of an innocent man.
*WHAT ABOUT* the 'security guard' who observed this, and instead of doing their job and going over to see what's up - decides to call the cops while quaking in their boots in some nearby building.
@@elrey8876 he was busy ordering door dash for his special security donuts
@@elrey8876 Actually, security guards should only 'observe and report'. They should not confront.
The judge wasn't involved in the police encounter.
@@perryelyod4870 they can absolutely inquiry within the compound. What about observe and report to management? even if its late. Maybe management knew about the car broken down. To me, the guard was either tied by policy or plain lazy.
"Good people, bad people, break the law. You go to jail. So, this officer should be arrested.
Very sound logic
Sick of seeing this corruption in the police force. It needs to stop.
What a hero the male cop is when he told an innocent citizen to shut up as they illegally arrest him😢
I hate how the court makes crazy ass mental gymnastics to help save the cops qualified immunity like they dont know the law.
I know right!?
WTF is "arguable probable cause" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Local courts across the country are notorious for misapplying the law in their rulings to benefit the cops & prosecutors. They damn well know that there are multiple Supreme Court rulings about not being able to force someone to hand over an ID card or DL, except as a driver during a lawful traffic stop. Its the same in all 50 states.
They do this in hopes that the person suing doesn't have enough money to file an appeal, which does work in their favor much more than it should.
@@amy.gali13 Its a "close enough to actual probable cause" ruling that further erodes our constitutional civil rights. Aside from the mental gymnastics needed to even bring up arguable probable cause is the complete ignoring by the local court of Supreme Court precedence related to demanding physical ID under threat of arrest. Its common knowledge and the judge who granted QI should be removed from the bench and disbarred.
The law says “Ignorance is no excuse” when it come to us breaking a law we did not know was illegal. But at the same time cops get “Qualified Immunity” when they claim they had no idea it wasn’t illegal arrest someone for not giving ID. Two sets of rules, one for us, the opposite for them.
I remember a deputy in my parish stopping a 15yo intoxicated female who was walking the roads at night. Instead of getting ahold to her guardian, he took her to his house and slept with her. The Livingston Parish Sheriff Office gave the deputy the most horrible punishment a Louisiana law enforcement officer can get.... They fired him.
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Let's keep backing the blue though 😂😂😂
That’s is call corruption, we go to jail for something we didn’t know that violated the law, but the people who are enforcing it get a pass when they sign a contract to know the laws they are enforcing…
They didn't have time to listen to the mechanic, but apparently had time to sit through a lawsuit. Good stuff, guys!
The old "I got a call" ruse. As if the moment someone makes a phone call about you, your rights disappear.
Why is everyone (90%) so obtuse on this channel, people call because they have a concern police investigate and figure out if indeed there is a problem or if there is not, and then if nothing is wrong they leave. In this situation the officers had to confirm that they were allowed to be working on the car, the Son understood that gave his ID, the Father wanted to act smart for some reason until he was threatened with arrest and the complied like a scared dog.
Just because someone makes a phone call doesn't mean (1) their call is legit or truthful and (2) the cops get to violate your 4th A rights while they do a supposed investigation. Automatically putting people in handcuffs while they investigate shouldn't be allowed either. If cops are going to put someone in handcuffs, there better be an arrestable offense. Someone working on a car isn't against the law, so detainment in handcuffs should be considered a kidnapping.
@@buckeyenative1365the cops were legally entitled to verbal ID. They broke the law when they demanded driver's license and arrested him for not producing it.
It thier job to investigate, these 2 couldn't investigate a McDonald's menu.
@@sackeshithey need to investigate, rather than showing up with a predetermination of guilt . She should have called like the guy was saying, and discussed with the security guard.
Also, that lady who owns the car should have let security know her car was going to be there after hours and that someone would be coming to fix it.
@@dougaltolan3017They aren’t even entitled to an ID. The did not have Reasonable Articulable Suspicion of a Crime, even with the call about it.
They had perhaps an Articulable Suspicion of a Crime. But it was not Reasonable. And they made zero attempt to address that lack of Reasonableness. Those men gave an adequate explanation, and their behavior was not consistent with criminality. Further dispelling Reasonableness and Articulableness.
They could have attempted to investigate further in order to determine if they were or were not actually working at the request of the Owner. Instead. They attempted to immediately demand ID. Which they did not yet have the appropriate level of Evidence for. Then upon just refusal, they went to Arrest. Which requires actual Probable Cause, which is a higher standard. Which they had nothing approaching, and made zero attempt to obtain either. Instead they began with Obstruction, which is only applied after either RAS or Probable Cause is obtained. Then further more than mere failure to obey immediately. Or even mere Passive Resistance while attempting to discuss the Investigation at hand.
Under no Rubric of Lawful and Constitutional Use of Force are they Justified. Pretty straightforward if you know the Law as it Stands, and why it exists as it does.
The hostility, arrogance, and blatant disregard for citizens’ rights, displayed by these two “peace officers” shows that neither one should be employed by any police department, except in a janitorial capacity (no offense to janitors).
And only allowed to clean toilets throughout the station and jail and without the correct PPE.
Not janitoral because they'd be interrogating the rest of the clean-up staff.
What a joke! The dude cop walked right up to the poor guy and stood there just chomping at the bit to pounce on the guy and put him in cuffs. Hope the guy wins his lawsuit and those two morons get fired!
Donald Trump promises to strengthen qualified immunity.. that’s a dealbreaker for me. I HATE these arseholes.
They'll just have to go one county over and apply to a be a cop there and get another job.
That guy just wanted to waste the officers time. He was fully willing to comply after being arrested yet before it was "I don't have to show you my ID muh rights I'm big I'm strong" then he folded like a wet paper towel when his convictions about "I don't have to ID myself" was tested. Next time he's gonna comply.
@sackeshi you feel better now?
@sackeshi you may want to read the 4th Amendment. Also, when the law states one doesn't have to ID unless they have committed a crime.... they don't have to ID. The reason most people don't ID until threatened with arrest is to preserve their 4th A rights so they can have a basis for a lawsuit against the cops.
You should have said yeah, I'm here to repair a car and steal it. Haha ha
That female cop's voice is like nails on a chalkboard..
That's almost always the case
Likewise the "dial".
The way she is so proudly ignorant and believes she's justified is terrifying. There is absolutely no reason she should have her job still, snd should never be an officer again. Disgusting.
But they got a female in uniform. That is all that matters.
Lots of very good men were denied employment to hire her.
@@adambirman2379 She's on her way to Supervisor and ultimately Chief.
3A vests dont protect breasts anymore than non boobied people
@@adambirman2379did you somehow miss that the other cop, who was just as complicit, was a man?
"you break the law, you go to jail".
I hope both those cops go to jail! They broke the law....
Unbelievable. How is this is ok
There was no law broken, except the unwritten, "Don't Bruise My Ego Law". Cops like this are great examples of bad examples.
Yep he is guilty of saying no to a cop.
The actions of these ego driven officers showcase a much larger systematic problem. These two officers are disgusting and should be removed from that job.
What kinda thief works on someone’s car during broad daylight in an openly active area? Why isn’t the simple explanation of “I’m a mechanic working on a customers car” not good enough? What would their ID prove? Asking for their business card would even make more sense.
People stealing catalytic converters do it all the time, unfortunately.
Meth heads, still absolutely no excuse even they got rights.
Exactly. And the security guard should be fired too, because he didn't just bother asking them what was going on. Then he could have called the owner himself instead of risking their lives by calling the police.
I wasn't trying to explain away the cops' actions, btw. The wheel was off. I've never seen a catalytic converter thief remove a wheel.
These 2 cops deserve prison for abusing their power.
@@wvrjlnot a security guards job to do investigations…that’s the police jobs
Anyone who can’t get a job at Walmart, can become a cop! It’s ridiculous!!
It drives me nuts when they act so smug, treat civilians as if they are their child, they then retaliate by arresting them, and act as if NOT arresting you is some kind of favor, that the cop is no longer willing to give, due to the dissrespect they felt you gave them....
Guilty until proven innocent. Welcome to the brave new world.
If they had called the customer instead of violating his rights they could've avoided a lawsuit.
Intelligence is not a requirement to be a police officer.
They literally train them to viilate your civil rights. They train them to lie about the law and to think they are Judge Dredd. All 100% Of Cops Are Bastards.
Or a Christ ian
All police had to do was run the plates, call the owner and verify the mechanic was given permission to work on the vehicle. Disgraceful behavior.
So the original ruling was basically “if a cop doesn’t know it’s illegal they can do whatever they want”
Probably why they don't educate them properly.
@jennym007 the exact reason actually
@@jennym007Exactly! There’s no incentive.
this is exactly why I don't think obstruction should ever be a charge all on it's own.
That was my thought, how the hell can obstruction be the only charge?
This is the new “go to” when they don’t have anything to charge someone with.
I can see obstruction as an individual charge but it should be narrowed as the police have just been using it as a catch-all. Resisting, on the other hand, should not be a standalone charge.
@@kinglewis6553 The gov has proven they're untrustworthy with such laws in their tool belt. It'd be one thing if the only people you saw getting arrested for obstruction on it's own were people who stopped gov officials from providing important medical care to someone, but that's not the case.
@NathanaelCrapo I'm agreeing on that point it is being misused. That's why I think it should be narrowed, after-all is possible to obstruct without committing another crime
90% of cops couldn't investigate their way out of a paper bag.
*Wet* paper bag...FIFY ;)
What a jerk set of cops! “You break the law…” by her reasoning both her and her backup should be taken to jail
Go court of appeals! Mr. Edgers did right in suing! Those cops were ignorant and impatient and obviously decided they’d arrest him without doing any real investigation! Poor policing.
They "dont have time" to do things the legal way. It's inconvenient to respect the laws or rights of citizens. I wonder if that lady cop will stand by her principles that someone who breaks the law, even a "good person", should go to jail. By her logic she broke the law, she should go to jail. I do not think she is a good person, though.
So, did she arrest herself and her partner? She insisted that people who break the law go to jail. Didn't they falsely arrest a man?
This is the best channel on UA-cam, omg.
10:45 “I have been here 5 6 7ish minutes” and she already arrested someone rather than actually doing ANY investigation
Perillat could barely wait to get him in cuffs
A reasonable officer could think a man exercising his rights was breaking the law? Does the Court not read their own statements?
A Reasonable Officer would seen what they were doing and would have said something like "Hey man sorry to bother you but I got called here. Is this your car your working on? No? It's a customer of yours who called you out here? Thank's for telling me even though you didn't have to. I'm going to explain this to the caller who could have asked you this themselves. Have a nice night."
"We don't have time for this" proceeds to spend hours booking him into jail
Yes, he obstructed my investigation...cops in the US the only investigating they can do is run IDs. They can't think to themselves what's going on here, let me speak to the caller and see what's going on.
Dewd who reported suspicious behavior Could Have Asked 😳*** And Cop Should have INVESTIGATED! Duh🙄