Paint Misbehavin'? Everyone Should Know This
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2018
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The Leyland Trade product range includes all the core essentials that you'll need to start any project - from primers and undercoats to waterproofing and masonry paint - as well as a sufficient selection of finishes and colours to suit each individual customer's desires. Whether you're working on an interior or exterior project, looking for paint for a metal or wood surface, or seeking heavy-duty protective paint, you'll find a product to match your needs.
Leyland Trade Hardwearing Mattis 10x tougher than Leyland Vinyl Matt, ideal for kitchens, bathrooms and busy areas. 10X tougher than Vinyl Matt and stain & moisture resistant with an easy clean.
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If they don't want Contract Matt being used for everything stop selling it everywhere where retail customers don't know the difference and all they see is bigger tubs cheaper than the smaller tins!
Yeah I was told to use it in a dulux store, completely wrong advice
I've just found this video 2yrs after release. I'm a pro decorator and have been for 30 yrs but I've never heard of this particular product.....gonna give it a go though.
Ow gawd I just bought leyland contract matt to freshen up my lounge before painting a feature wall. Back to the shop with it tomorrow. Wish I'd watched this earlier on! Cheers
Hi Roger, thanks for the reply.
Love the hardwearing matt, gotta be quick with the rollering after cutting in otherwise it does get annoying when it pulls of at the borders. Didn't know about the mist coat - often used the contract to mist, with 2 hardwearing top coats. The layland factory is pretty mad - I remember doing 2 weeks work experience there back in the 90's. Got to spend some time up in the labs and was amazed at all the technical stuff that goes in to producing paint and testing it.
I think the comments here tell a better story about Leland paints.
Thank you.
Very interesting Chaps. Thank You. 👍💖🙏❤️
Interesting. Personally I’ve never had a problem using Leyland. Maybe Johnstone’s is a bit nicer to work with but Leyland has always given me a decent finish after 2 coats
I think the demonstration would be more effective with a touch of colour in the paint to provide contrast.
very good information
Nice advice from a Northerner, Rodger. What else would you expect sir.
Hi Roger, another great video. I have learnt so much from it as I have about paint of late. I have just started using Mylands for fitted furniture that I make. I also use Leland and will use it in a different way to which I have done.By the way we have similar grandchildren, yours write, I hate grandad on the wall and mine, I hate Roger. Adds up to the same. Of course I sent them to bed early. 🤐
Great video roger - after what you said I was keen to watch. Very informative 👍
Would had been even better vid if he stopped interrupting Jamie when he's speaking and let him give his full explaination
Could u do a video of the hardwearing Acrylic eggshell . Love to see how it performs on wood etc .
JH Tech I’ve recently used it on wooden cabinet doors and is very good product, highly recommend
Hi Rodger, could you do a review on the rotex ro 150 feq sander and best palm Sanders (5") . There are lots of you reviews out there but not quite like the ones you folks do! Thank you sir
very informative as usual... but don't use bleach on mold, just use a mild detergent. Bleach is hydroscopic and if you over do it you'll end up with a damp problem..
Thanks, that is worth knowing. I always used bleach on bathroom walls and, you are right, it got worse.
@@SkillBuilder I rate the HG mould spray very highly. Can take multiple applications on the most established mould (years in the making) but generally the best I've used. If you want to see some incredible before and after photos have a look in the reviews on amazon. Big fan of the HG products. Only thing that would make it better is if it were made in the UK rather than the Netherlands but I'm splitting hairs.
I have used this loads on my own work and recommend it for my work to customers it is great stuff
I've been a painter for over 25 years. I never knew contract Matt was for damp surfaces only. I've always used it as a mist coat before 2 top coats of vinyl matt/silk etc on new plaster...
Well I'll be damed...😲
Using contract matt on walls I found to be just as good as crown trade vinyl Matt in terms of durability. Goes further too.
So if youve painted walls and ceilings in contract matt...on normal walls ..what do you paint it with now to stop the chalky issue...
Very interesting, just in the middle of doing my lounge in acrylic matt due to having a dog!! Been painting for years and your never too old to learn stuff and never be afraid to ring them and speak to there technical dept, they're there to help... And with paint you get what you pay for.
Having used all the well known manufacturers of paint, I can honestly say that Leyland paints are the worst, especially the contract matts. Appalling opacity and a horrible chalky finish. Just as the bloke says, cheap and nasty. Pay a few quid extra and get a different brand.
Benjamin Moore Scuff X
What brands would you recommend? I've tried Leland trade contract matt and the Dulux version, the delux is terrible compared to Leyland in my viee
@@CA-gy4qf It depends on what sort of paint, ie emulsion, oil-based etc. For emulsions, generally speaking Dulux is ok, but avoid the nonsense "light and space" paints as they're twice the price and need twice as many coats. Crown, Leyland, Valspar are all garbage and have added days onto a job for me and I refuse to work with them now. Oil based - I find Dulux retail gives a better finish than Dulux trade. Normally I'd say you get what you pay for but with paints you really don't, it's a lottery and you just have to find out the hard way what works best for you. The best emulsion I've ever used is Farrow & Ball, expensive but very good. Oh and I've also found that Leyland oil based leaves a nasty finish and yellows like a rocket.
Always been a crap brand
@@mattyboy3908 I disagree, my clients love Dulux ‘ light & space’ range of paint. As with most RETAIL Dulux paint, they admit it’s likely that 3 coats are required for full coverage. That’s why us professional decorators use Dulux TRADE paint. A far thicker superior paint!
Search for this same guy interviewing Dulux, worth watching !
Hi Roger, Jamie the Leyland expert said to avoid over-painting when applying the hardwaring paint. How do you avoid this when rolling up to your cutting in. I noticed in the fade out of your video, you and Jamie are doing some painting. Are you going to explain the best technique to use in a follow up video?
Hi Ray
You have to cut in and roll as you go or let the cutting in dry and then second coat to it. The reasone we faded at that point was some sound issues. We will try and revisit this with a training course where we can get a proper crew involved rather than just me and a tripod.
Pull the paint. Only one way to load a brush
It says the acrylic is for wood also?
Skill Builder
How do you get rid of mould on painted surfaces in bathrooms, kitchens and other rooms?
Tahnks great job
if a good quality acrylic emulsion with mould inhibitors hasnt been used then you would need to repaint really but try using someting soft like suger soap fairly liquid if repaint I recommend crown trade clean extreme mould inhibiting eggshell.
Try Detol mould and mildrew remover, (comes in a green bottle) first. You might not need to re-paint, if your lucky 🙏👌
Ventilation
Pity camera work doesn't go in to actually see the products on the board and a closer view of the wiping results, I've heard lots of ppl using sodium bicarbonate for home made cleaners, I wonder if it's safe on certain paints or not ... ?
Guy makes a lot of sense.
It may be my eyes but after scrubbing the hardwearing matt the mark is no longer visible however the whole section appears to have a blue/purple tint so would you not end up with a patch on the wall…
A leyland paint from screwfix was a nightmare. Had to paint a grey ceiling 6 times in white and it still looks crap. Its my own house so i have left it, but when i get some more white paint i will go over it again.
37 yrs exp - Should never take that many coats 3 to 4 most, even over black,i will say to anybody doing the work there self to invest in some good brushes & especially rollers as it not only saves time but also can make the difference of how many coats need to be applied as cheap rollers what i call use & throw hardly hold any paint & it can look patchy, also most people make the mistake of trying to do a big area which with the cheap rollers make it look very thin & they end up taking the paint back off, a good roller will hold enough paint to do an area of say 2 to 3 metres , i use the Purdy 12 inch roller cost around £20 cage & sleeve, it's money well spent believe me
Nothing wrong with Contract as a mist providing it's thinned properly, Dusted down once dry and you add a drop of water into the first finish coat.. (which is how it's means to be done anyway)
I had this lifting issue when rolling a wall last week but I was using Dulux Endurance is this the same type of acrylic?
Yes, I think, as a general point anything with vinyl or acrylic is likely to lift off if you go back over it before it dries.
@@SkillBuilder How would you go about fixing the area which has peels off?
@@ssam3447 zinzzer peel stop is a really good product for this
Interesting video but it still left me a little confused. So if my walls were done with contract last year and I now want to overcoat with hard wearing matt (hwm )do I:
1. Apply a thinned coat up to 10% of hwm, let it dry then
2. Apply two coats of hwm.
OR
1. Lightly sand and wash the walls and allow them to dry.
2. Apply two coats of hwm.
Thanks
the answer is one and two. Apply thinned coat and then two neat coats. Even then you will not get a high-quality finish according to the expert. Probably good enough though
Never attempt to "wash" contract matt. You'll just make a mess and soak the substrate with water and soap; neither of which is going to help the next paint stick. If there are areas contaminated with grease etc then sand the top layer off. It tends to come off easily exposing clean paint underneath.
@@juancornetto8243 Standard practice
I went and got this to try on a rental refurb and it’s brilliant stuff. My only problem is it’s £26 from my local national catalogue shop (you know the type of place) but when you go to get it from their own trade store it’s double the price. If you want it tinted it’s £69 with vat. Unbelievable rip off. They are just as bad as dulux trade centres.
Leyland trade Matt is ok for a mist coat on new plaster 50 x 50 mix
Likewise Wickes own brand contract matt. Not sure I'd go 50:50 but a guy i know goes 50 or 60% but stirs it like crazy!
Problem with these paints they can be hard to paint with, either drying to fast, lack of flow when rolling and getting a even looking finish, hard to patch paint if it gets marked. When on a priced job I don't want a difficult paint.
Yes
Dulux used to be good when you rang them for some advice. But now they are bloody useless. Good to know Leyland do offer help if needed
Can you make a video showing how to use a speed Square and what's it for and how can you use it
Good idea Andrew.
@@SkillBuilder any update on this SB? I'd say Robin knows a thing or three about a speed square!
Painting is a process that takes time and effort. Read the back of the tin. So many people don't water down the first coat and scrimp on preparation.
Don't get it. He said you basically can't paint over contract matt because of the caulky finish. So they make a paint that can't be in future painted over. Ridiculous
Im confused too
He's wrong, providing your lightly sand and and dust it all off it's fine, just add a drop of water to your first finish coast so it doesn't drag. If you can't paint over it they wouldn't be selling the stuff.
@@MephProduction he works for Leyland, but you are right and he is wrong: interesting.
@@DavideAnastasia Leyland haven't exactly got a good reputation, their products are a bit poor.
@@MephProduction 100% on that
The leyland vinyl matt emulsion I bought from screwfix is the worst rubbish I’ve bought in 33 years of home decoration. Unlike crown and dulux it had the unique property of peeling off old matt emulsion on a plastered ceiling. Ended up getting overpriced dulux trade from the rip off trade centre - but unlike the garbage from screwfix it went on perfectly so maybe you get what you pay for after all
There is a way of painting that avoids this problem. The substrate has less affinity with the paint than the paint does so you should not go back over wet paint with more wet paint. Professional decorators know how to avoid that.
This is a good product, so is johnstones, you could always pay double for dulux if you believe their hype!
Paintbrush 1962 They have to feed that dog, or dogs, as I believe they have several.
I don't rate dulux very overpriced. I much prefer Leyland or johnstones
Is this paint any use as a substitute for the ‘bathroom’ paints that I hate?
Yep 👍🏻
Complete novice here! The Hardwearing Matt only comes in two colours, so after applying 1 coat with 10% dilution and then 2 further coats, do you add a finish coat with any paint to achieve your desired colour?
I doubt it....I'm guessing if you tried to paint over 2.5 coats of the hardwearing stuff...that it wouldn't stick and would also lose the 'hardwearing' part??...I'd be interested to hear what they say though. :)
I painted my new bathroom with a mist coat. 75% paint. Then applied a bathroom paint. Masked the floor etc. Lifted the masking and the paint peeled off like a face mask. I had to cut the tape off and fill the missing paint. :(
Mmm the video explains so much. Why is this the first time I saw this?
We all think painting is the easiest of trades but it isn't. There is a huge amount to learn.
The issue was the incompatible paint types, the undercoat left a chalky finish. Had I used the top coat but just a little diluted then I would have been fine. The issue now is I have a sealed coat over a chalky substrate. It does not matter what I paint over the top coat it will peel off. Its like sun burnt skin. Only option is to peel it all off, or in my case say nothing and ignore it.
@nasser d isn't Zinsser Gardz a good base paint if you've these types of issues? Peeling paint for example?
Peel the tape off as soon as you're finished a coat, while the paint is still wet
Best tools I ever brought was a Mirka dust free sander and a Wooster pelican kettle.
Agree 100% mate........love 'em both! Did you mean the mirka deros or the sanding blocks? I use the manual sanding blocks connected to my vac and they're brilliant but I keep looking at the deros.
@@MOPARdave999 I got the Ceros original random orbit. Awesome bit of kit. Auto net discs. Sand, wash and paint to perfection.
@@losttheplot26 what.... You wash the discs? I'm thinking of the deros but I here some bad reports about reliability.
@@MOPARdave999 no I wash the walls with sugar soap. There's an art to paint. All in the preparation. My Mirka earned me a good crust and made me look more professional than most. 8 years it's been turning. £300 repairs 2 break downs with it
@@losttheplot26 that's interesting..... Do you generally wash your walls down first? Never tried that but every day is a school day, right? Cheers bruv!
Is it water based? As if using in HMO’s you wouldn’t be aloud because if not water based it’s gonna burn faster in events of fire?
yes it is waterbased acrylic
If contract matt sole purpose is for new plaster that still slightly damp and still drying.....why don't these companies write this on the tub itself?
Exactly, drives me nuts!
Its on the tub... "For new plaster"
Haven't We seen these Type of products before by Dulux.
Yes Dulux has Diamond Matt. This is basically the same idea but generally cheaper.
this gear isn't on the same level as dulux diamond matt leyland is a b paint from johnstones just like armstead is dulux's b brand but the best scrubbable matt ive found is crown clean extreme.
Waterproof
Paint on for showers
All I can see is a f**king white board.
Informative but the white board to far away need a close camera couldant see non of this demonstration
Sorry Chris
I was filming this on my own and the camera angle was awkward due to the size and shape of the room. Could have done with a cameraman but it was 8 hours of driving for me just to do this one video and we couldn't afford the cameraman.
First thing you've got to do... Read the instructions.
Seconds thing you've got to do... Actually do what the instructions tell you!
Using a Leyland Silk at the moment. Very impressed so far.
Anyone for mr bean art of painting?
My entire house, when refurbished, was painted in that contract matt crap, and then silk on top of it. It's peeling off in massive sheets! Like literally, I can peel a whole wall off in one piece...
Need to change names of the paint types. Big letters on the tin. Ive just used the wrong paint.
Every day is a school day
Contract leyland is like Woolworths or worse. New paint for new houses says it all😂😂
We’ve all used contract Matt for years.
Can’t beat it for hiding poor walls and not reflecting light. Especially white contract Matt.
A good quality contract Matt is perfectly fine on ceilings and walls.
Dulux Diamond Matt is excellent if you want a hard wearing Matt.
If you want a hard wearing paint for walls some Satin, Diamond or full acrylic. These paints are more for kitchens or in the workplace.
Contract Matt fine for joe blogs on a budget.
I like it , but don’t use it in bathrooms it doesn’t work , water ,steam penetrates it over a few days then the water turns yellow 🤔 had to re do it all
These paint company’s will always cover their ass when something is going wrong with their products had a problem a couple of weeks ago with a little green paint hard wearing and it was a load of rubbish I gave it 4 coats cutting in and rolling at the same time keeping the wet edge going and it still did not look right
I was painting at my daughters place and the paint just wouldn't stay on,I asked her what she had used on her door and it was furniture polish, who would have thought that? sugar soap to the rescue
Spray polish is a nightmare, as it often contains silicon, and you can't often wash it off. It causes fish eyes.
Layland paint is very poor, don't use it. Johnstons is far better (I think it is made by the same firm) and only cost a bit more. Better than overpriced Dulux. Good opacity and finish even with Johnstones contract matt.
Mathew Paint , weird name
Leyland is budget paint .Johnsons washable Matt emulsion is far superior
My to. Of gloss white paint was bright green inside the tin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant thanks 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why not call him a painter
Why not call him Matt?
These "contract/trade" paints should come with a warning- I'd always used Dulux Matt, doing a quick makeover at my mums I opted for the Leyland Contract White while in Screwfix thinking it was just a "no frills" emulsion.... 2 cutting in coats later and it's f***ing pish. I'm off to buy Dulux before breaking out the roller and will stay well clear of this garbage in future.... So the builders use this crap to give a "quick fix" to a new build, the new owners then decide to put on an acrylic or vinyl and to their (costly)surprise it fails.... Why the F even bother just leave it as bare plaster at least folk know what they're dealing with not this fake bullsh*t paint.....
Leyland paint is cheap crap. Get johnstone's trade good quality at the right price. Dulux is over priced!
So Leyland have made Dulux Trade Diamond Matt..........
Except for the fact that it isn't Dulux or Diamond.
And I bet it's not even made by Leyland but infact made by Tor Coatings, Tyne & Wear, Who make all Johnstone & Leyland specialist coatings.
@@SkillBuilderMeaning it's... coal?
Finally found this video.
I have been on various forums and had difficulty even finding anyone that admitted this stuff peels off if you go over it again 15 seconds later.
I have been doing battle with this stuff since the Dulux Diamond came out. I knew there had to be a way of using it successfully but his is the first time that I have seen it explained.
I thought I must be doing something wrong, but the answer is that you can't go back over the piece that you have just done.
Makes it a complete b@stard to use, but that's the truth of it
Layland paint is terrible ok there hard wareing white is ok but find it doesn't spread well. The best white I've used is tikkurila antireflex matt white they also do brilliant white washable matt and the coverage is second to none I painted over bright green in 2 coats almost done it in one amazing paint
Of course we are all stupid,!!! Totally crap paint, we do read the paint pot, just not how to put ikea furniture up,
Leyland paint is not even a pure brilliant white and it's yellows very quickly because they use chalk as opposed to titanium dioxide has it is a lot cheaper as titanium dioxide is expensive.
Crown trade paint all day every day. Pay that little bit extra and get he's super quality finish
crown do the only oil based gloss that stays white like the pre 2010 ones did and their clean extreme is the best scrubbable matt and eggshell
I use both but I find Leyland tends to give a flatter finish than the crown..
he sounds like Bob Mortimer
madge bishop Which one
@@sophielaurentaylor1511 the paint guy in the red..
madge bishop lol that’s my dad
ive been a painter for over 30 years and leyland paint is pure garbage
You're garbage Clint.
Nope buddy. It’s either you been painting wrongly for 30 years or you not reading the tin properly.
38yrs & it's my preferred choice for the money, you don't know what your talking about, the acrylics like the primer/ Undercoat & hardwearing eggshell are superb, the oils need improving that's all
@@TheWESTSIDE1967 some of there products or ok for tosh jobs
@@clintmannion5598 no rubbish mate, look up there Acrylic primer undercoat & hardwearing eggshell which i use for internal woodwork over old gloss which is a game changer as most peel off, i use especially if they have kids as it's quick drying no fumes & stays pure white as opposed to oils which turn yellow, also 10x tougher than standard paint, loads of painters use & ☆☆☆☆☆ reviews, oils im using now as im doing an outside & i thinned as really glupey & not too good as don't flow nicely
This guy is talking bollocks ,Mistcoat with the contract just piss it down 50-50,, you won’t have a prob ,if it’s as bad as he says why do they sell it ,it’s not made for a top coat really unless on ceilings,Mistcoat then top coat undiluted,what ever you use as Mistcoat piss it down ,also if your you cut in and when rolling it starts pulling ,don’t cut in one wall and roll ,cut in every wall let dry then roll into it as close as you can
Worst paint on planet earth, cost me a fortune correcting disgraceful finish from vinyl silk Leyland. Avoid at all costs
Trouble is massively over priced product never used it because of this .... painters cant use these products because it cuts into there profits to much big fail !!
What is massively over-priced? Leyland and Johnstone are usually a lot cheaper than Dulux.
Skill Builder alright then clever clogs what’s this retailing at £60-70
For 5 litres ..... needs to be £25-30
If a customer wants a premium product they have to pay premium prices. Its easy enough to explain the difference between wipe able and scrubbable.... Labour costs should be broadly the same
try bricklaying, plastering, joinery, real trades. they all hate lazy dick head painters. two a penny.
painting is hardly rocket science, hardly semi skilled
Leyland paint is crap.
I'm the first to comment ! You are not ! Ha! Ha!
Yes but that isn't a comment so the game is still on.
Get a Job !