EFNOTE Pro First Impressions
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2023
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0:00 Intro
This is the first e-drum company that has me really invested in what they're doing. I'm very far from being able to own a set at this point in my life, but it'll be an Efnote for sure.
I really like where things are going with EFNOTE. Looks like Roland has a real contender on their hands.
@N - Roland makes kits at all price points. People don’t have an inalienable right to top-of-the-line everything at rock-bottom prices.
@N the price of this kit gets you the 5 piece vad706 with two baby crash cymbals.
Thanks for coming by to shoot this, Justin! Killer job on the vid, and thank you for the suggestions. That is what is moving us forward! Michael
This EFNOTE PRO kit looks amazing and the cable stage DI box is a great feature. I play a 2box Drummit 5 ekit that has a 64Gb SD card nearly full of multilayered samples. I have sampled my own acoustic Sonor kit and being able to play my drums with the heads and tuning I like on a ekit is amazing.
Please consider adding the ability to import your own multilayered, roundrobin samples to your modules.
Maybe keep the ambience & reverb+ comp+ EQ but have 3 adjustments available, effects on each instrument, effects on the main output (save different scenes for different live venues, studio and practice) and different effect on the headhones output.
@@sammcdouall4849 Thank you for this feedback, Sam. The approach to the PRO system is to let the FOH be the engineer and send them exactly what they need to do that, so there wont be any synth/modeled verbs in the module. This is needed at the pro level to solve the stage volume issue without compromising the sound with less than great verb coming from the module. These drums were recorded so well for this module, there is natural stereo ambience in the samples, the FOH mixer in me loves them to death. Love the Drummit 5 BTW, and what you're doing with it! I've been a proponent of adding sound loading since the beginning but understand more now the balance of what spends the memory and drives up the price, vs what is really needed for the pro level. You can run another module or multi-pad through this module to the house with all of your own samples. Thanks for adding to the convo with this request, it will be considered!
@@ArtesiaProNorthAmerica But suppose you wanted a reverb _effect_ that was specific to a drum, like a Phil Collins-style compressed room sound on a snare? I feel like there's a baby-bathwater issue here.
@@flanger001 Thanks for your input. Effects like that would be be done at front of house, where they can actually be tuned to the room they're being played in. The concept we're using is sending FOH clean, clear samples to be processed professionally on the spot. All of our other modules have 8 types of reverb, but for the PRO we want to let the the engineer do their gig and the drummer do theirs.
This allows the engineer to push (and compress if needed) real air in the room they're mixing. In the super rare case that internal module ambience is needed for a live gig, a much better option is using USB from the module to trigger SD3, then just send it back through the module straight to the house on channels 11-12.
The kit is really made for a pro application, where the drummer is part of a production. team. I'm sitting in a venue lobby now listening to the kit being sound checked with this exact application, and it sounds incredible.
@@ArtesiaProNorthAmerica I hear all of this but I think this is both a) being a little obtuse and b) doubling down on what I and many other people (including the video creator) think is a questionable design decision.
In a perfect world, drummers would just drum and engineers would just engineer. But we both know that this drum kit will be sold to more people than just those with pro teams, and it will be used by people in more contexts than just live no matter how many times you say "this is a live kit and a live kit only", and removing the ambience options just to suggest a $400 VST seems like a weird hill to die on.
Great review as always Justin. Appreciate you doing this!
Finally an electronic drum that sounds awesome!🎉
I always like your reviews Justin!! It looks like a cool kit!! 👍😀
Very nice module, and user interface design. Very nice hardware as well. I loved the separate stage box.
I love everything about these kits !
Thanks for this video. Great playing! I really dug that accented double stop tom pattern groove you did. Pew pew
always a good vid
The hi-hat work at 0:11 is awesome, love the groove!
I really love the look and the realistic and pure sound of this Kit. The Stagebox is a very nice idea even if I don’t need this feature at home. The kitloadingtime is a problem for live use I guess and I agree with the wrapping in this price range! My ATV Kit has piano black painted real wood shells and my mimic Pro has ambiance, reverb and fast kitloading and super natural sounds too plus the ability to import samples.
I'm no drummer but I sat down at an EFNOTE kit anyway
I was super impressed!
Great review Justin thanks
The cymbals @12:38 are impressive. On the pro I dislike having to carry around a big extra box. With my efnote 5 I would leave the wires connected to the module and 5 pin hi hat.
I appreciate the variety of cymbal sizes.
This is a great kit. I spent some serious time on them at NAMM. The sounds and playability are absolutely off the chart.
Efnote is awesome. I own the Efnote 3 and I am quite happy with it.
Beautiful kit
Great review!
Thanks for the video
Great review. I’m waiting on the pricing on the 701 traditional. Thanks for all your videos
Thank you for the detailed review.. Regards from Indonesia!! 🇮🇩
Great review, thank you.
This is the EXACT layout of a kit I’ve been looking to get. But I can’t seen to find a way to build it in Roland World on the TD-27. Not even sure the TD-50 can support all the heads and cymbals. And love that each of the 5 toms are of different size.
That connection box is insane!
Nice review Justin. Mike B is a great bloke and has has some chops on him. FYI, I believe there is a trade in programme depending on your dealer. I contacted edrumcentre and they are doing trade ins.
My 3x kit is still sitting in the factory boxes in my living room. So my module is NIB (just too busy with other things at this time).
I may be biased because I currently have a 5 tom setup but I love the 707 complete kit look
thank you sir!!!!!!
Pretty excited to see what else efnote comes out with. Hopefully they start focusing on a cheaper line too because I’m sure these won’t be cheap sets.
Just wanted to say the production on your videos is looking really great these days, great job!
I love the look and pads of the kit itself. I think marrying it with a Mimic Pro module would be as good as it gets in terms of e-drums.
Hey thanks man! The mimic would work with everything here except for the EFNOTE hihat. It uses an uncommon connector type.
I was just thinking to myself this guy and his videos are straight professional!!
@@65Drums Did you get to try ddrum's new NIO multipad?
@@Mr-Keyes Theres alot of information about it elsewhere if youre interested. That product isnt exactly new, its just an OEM'd product that goes under Gear4Music DD90, dbdrums nPad and HXW PD-705 (maybe more even)
I know eDrum Workshop has a couple videos about them
@@Mr-Keyes I saw it and talked to the ddrum guy, but I didn't play it. I've played the original multi pad the NIO was based on years ago. It's a re-skin of existing hardware
About a year in to my EFNOTE 7 kit and absolutely love it after being a longtime Roland guy. Great to see them continuing to push the industry forward. Exciting time to be an edrummer.
Any problems with anything yet? Trying to get a handle on reliabilty because they look and sound great.
@@johndef5075 So far, everything is holding up really well. The kit honestly looks brand new after having it for a year (particularly love how clean the cymbals still look with a complete lack of stick marks!) I did have an issue with one of my crash cymbals vibrating a bit out of the box, but EFNOTE took care of me with a swift replacement. In fact, Michael Bedard (seen playing at the start of the video) is the customer facing rep who was a big reason for me taking the plunge after being a loyal Roland user. He is super responsive and helpful and is always there if any issues do arise. Highly recommend the product and the brand. Always some risk being an early adopter of a new product, but for what it is worth, I do not regret my purchase and, if anything, am looking to further expand my kit with more EFNOTE products. Hope this helps!
Great playing by the way ...
Excellent
I guess I have not been paying attention EFNote is taking off! They are looking good.
Great video these look like ddrum shells the cheapest possible
Great review as always Justin. I totally agree at the price point for the Pro, the shell wrap material and construction should be a bit better. On the flip side, the Pro module and all the EFNOTE cymbals get my strong approval. Some people forget that you can always put guitar pedals in the signal chain to regain back lost features such as Reverb and Ambience (might have to opt for Stereo pedals depending on your tastes or needs). Or an FX-enabled mixer. A little less flexibility in assignment but hey at least you can get it back somehow.
If I decide to go about replacing my ATV Artist Kit shells in the near future, I might opt for Roland VAD or Drum-tec Pro 3 shells paired with the EFNOTE Pro module and cymbals.
Excellent Review Justin! This set looks Awesome. Will it work well with a TD-50X and/or TD-30 Modules
Really cool video. Did they give a timeframe on a pricing announcement?
Quote on no “Trash can lids and peu peu sounds” cracked me up. 😊
Great looking kit and nice drum fill roll at 9:00
I thought I may be the only one impressed by that snare roll!
I didnt like those gray cymbals at the begining but i must say that they surelly grew on me and with the vide shells and beige/grey rim protectors they are deff a vibe
Great summary Justin! Where does the sound come from while you were playing? Is it direct out from the module ?
seams are the same on a wrapped Pearl Pro kit.. you are referring to lacquered shells. Wrapped shells are way more durable. So to me a HUGE plus.
If I wasn't broke I would buy it
Lol. Not being broke would be dope.
@@chadbartlett5922 if I wasn't broke I'd have a little home studio dropping some heat
If you had 10G and bought this, you would then be broke,, and with all of its great features, there are still too many shortcomings as outlined in this video, for this price point...
Yeah 10k is overpriced i see it more in 7.5k range. But even that is way too expensive for me
Pay in 4 once again
Love your videos. Any reason why you don't do reviews on Drumtec? I know they are in Germany but would love to know your impressions.
That kit looks like a winner, just have a feeling the pricing us going to be on the high end.
Ayyy don't trash on their other modules. I've got the 5 and I can get it to sound surprisingly close to a VST. They have some samples that are really damn good.
Definitely wanna check this module out sometime. Really curious about their roadmap for releasing new kits and instruments for it. Kind of a bummer that there's no sample import, but chances are it'd only be one shot samples if they were to implement it.
I hear you about the sample import. You can treat this like an acoustic kit and run a multipad through it to the house, the same way you would on a pop gig with artist samples in an SPD. You can also run a VST through it to the house. There is a lot of flexibility that will come to light soon, but it's brand new so it's time for content creation exhibiting these functions. Also, this is made for pro-level studio work as well, and not just for the stage. There are actually a ton of sounds in this, but the kit slots are just to get started, tons of slots to make custom kits and there will be many sounds added to the library. We're working on them now.
I really dig the EFNOTE kits and would love to have one. And I actually would like to combine one with acoustic cymbals, probably the 5 or 3X. And yeah, of course, the price is a problem, I would have to save up money for quite a while, but the biggest problem for me is finding a dealer and shipping. It's really hard to get good electronic drum sets here in my city at México, the ones you see at music stores here are mainly the low tier Carlsbro and Behringer kits.
Wow Im very impressed by this EF Note kit. The stage box housing for all of the trigger inputs, midi,audio,power supply and then utilizing a remote color screen drum module interface 🙌🙏🔥🔥🔥 imo is an excellent functional design choice. It seems like EF Note has been listening to user feedback/suggestions or possibly watching 65 Drums product demo/reviews. I’m curious if the hihat is still using the proprietary trigger cable same as the original EF Note modules used.
We're asking and listening constantly in just about every platform. There were major leaps forward with this kit that were the direct effect of market/customer feedback. We sent Justin the 5X to shoot that video and are always asking for feedback. We're listening!
@@ArtesiaProNorthAmerica Job very well done. Your teams hard work and dedication is shining through. I’m truly impressed with this new product. Thank you for your kind response and your support of Justin’s 65 drums channel.
@@ArtesiaProNorthAmerica here is a suggestion for you, add a port for an external touch screen.
The screen on this looks awesome, but if someone could add an external touchscreen, and then open 2 or 3 seperate sections simultaneously, it would have several benefits. During setups and rehearsals, you could have the FOH mix, headphone mix (and their related pan) windows open on the external screen, while keeping individual drum trigger controls open on the ‘box’ screen.
Or if that is too complicated, then the possibility of an external computer (with or without a touch screen, depending on the users wallet), but keeping the ability to open multiple screens at once.
The possibilities become multiplied, and suddenly half the complaints about ‘layers of menus’ become irrelevant. Have a look at what was done with the Soundcraft Ui24r.
During rehearsals (or even shows), the parameters you need immediate access to are always right next to you, instead of 15 button pushes away.
I love the ‘stage box’
@@mattryan6886 Thank you Matt! Justin has such a wealth of knowledge and access to both products and the amazing audience, he's built. We'd be in the wrong to not support!
I don’t care how long it takes to save up the money but I’m gonna be buying this e drum set. I’m just in awe
This kit sounds really nice, the toms are great, I find some of the latest roland toms a bit vague, they just don't have any punch to them.
They way things are going it looks like acoustics days are numbered.
You can add reverb from the mixer where you connect the whole thing. At least
I own a TDK-30 V-Drum kit from Roland. I'm not a drummer and mainly bought it for recording although my band did use it for 7 years of gigging! One of the appeals is how portable it is. I can fit all of the drums, throne and cymbals in two Gator cases. Two people can carry the entire kit into a venue in one trip. I agree these look great but it's just as much work as moving an acoustic drum kit.
Yes i agree that was the reason to go for efnote 3.
Exactly. In fact I wouldn't even use a TD 30 or 50, because FOR Me, that too much gear. I like small compact kits coz a lot of venues you hardly even fit a kit on the stage - even a small one. Some venues I've played, a SPD - 30 would be perfect.
@@IansDrumsandBass Not sure how the TD30 is too much gear. We toured with it for 8 years. Two rolling bags and the frame. Sets up in minutes. Sounds great without any effort.
@@DMDvideo10 Its huge in comparison to a TD - 11KV, or a TD - 17. Even those are a bit big for some venues I've played in.
@@IansDrumsandBass We also carried a portable 5x6'x1 drum riser that sets up in minutes. That's a pretty small footprint for a drum set. I've done gigs in people's living rooms and on small decks. In the 80s my drummer need a minimum 8x8' for his 13 piece Tama!
Justin, I was talking to a fellow drummer, I mentioned that I was considering the efnote pro and he suggested that since I already own a Roland td10 with the expansion card I might want to look in to superior drummer 3 Overall expense would be less etc. any thoughts?
cool that you got to actually play on it
Yeah I was at the booth for quite a bit, and got to ask questions from the EFNOTE guy
Great video! 😊
The kit is amazing, big, great present, Buuut I am sure it's going to be a big chunk of change. The price it will be over 8 000 US Dollars 😢
One thing I've been wondering, though it's hard to tell with how new Efnote is: How durable are their kits? Knowing they are all directly or indirectly ex-Roland employees, I'd imagine so, but I'd like to be a little more certain.
Hey Justin-are the EFNote kits compatible with other modules, like the Roland TD-50?
id much prefer black ever w sparkle would b nice on it. glad somebody let the hh bell work. i suggested that on a roland vid long ago and somebody from roland seemed to like the idea. wonder if they finally did it?
Most natural sounding e kit by far. Sounds as good as SD3 to my ears. I went Roland in the end not Efnote 7 due to proven reliability and customer service. Not saying Efnote isn’t great here too, but just too new a company to tell. (What if the company folds in 3 years? Who carries out warranty work?)
12:37 Bro...this module sounds like revolutionarily good.
its perfect but needs the sample import function for sure
So these kits are fairly expensive. How would you compare them to say TD27 or TD50. For value. Their small kit starts at 5 grand and flagship is 9300.00. Is there enough of a difference to warrant their cost.
Did I just hear him play the bell on the fuckin high hat?!?
Yeah the Hi-Hat is 3 zones.
I really like what they did with this kit. All of their kits for that matter. I am not that picky about the module for the fact that I have had modules with 1k+ sounds and find that I just use the same 3/4 kits over and over. What bothers me after watching this and all looks at this kit, is the fact that I paid $1100 for a Roland VH14 with no bell. It doesn't bother me day to day, but when I do think about it, its kind of unacceptable that Roland couldn't do that but the people at efnote (who I think a bunch of them left Roland or ATV to start efnote) got a bell on the hats
I have a td 30. How do the sounds compare? Awesome videos as always. Thank you.
EFNOTE Pro Sounds are higher quality, but the trade off in less customization vs what Roland gives you.
Oh ok thanks.
I need a lottery win to buy this and the lessons needed to play properly!
How was their hi hat compared to a digital hi hat on the TD 27 or 50 ?
And how was their snare or ride compared to digital ?
Really curious about that.
Thanks Justin !!!
This is one of the videos I was waiting for !!!!!!
Yippy !!!!!
Was there any other drum company's with sets worth reviewing, or was 2023 NAMM the bummer others have claimed....in other music categories too ?
(Seen enough videos with this said universally)
I hope not, I want to make it there some day...lol
Have a great day !
:-)
Crickets! You asked the most important question! It would have been great to see a demo showing open-mid-closed hats.
Wish they'd make a compact flagship. Im sure theres plenty out there like me where the whole point I want to play an electronic kit is to have a smaller kit compact kit and not having to lug around giant bass drums and shells. I'm after something like the 3x but with a module and cymbal setup like this
Totally the same
How compare to VAD 706s or Drum-Tec Pro3s Top of The Line?
I don't have a problem with the limited number of sounds, what they did include sounds better than anything Roland provides. I don't like that the removed ambience and reverb, they should've included it but have made an easy way to turn it off completely when playing live. I'm glad that there is now some serious competition for Roland, it'll mean even better electronic drums for us in the future.
limited preset kits, but definitely not limited sounds. There are a ton of instruments in the module, and literally all of them are usable. I agree with the Ambience going away, I always haver to remind myself that this is for Pro level players specifically, who do not need it, so it goes on the chopping block for more important things, like the expansion of the library. It's all a compromise and balance to fit the right tools into the box. There is no modeling in this kit and the 8 ambience types on our other modules are modeling. Our founders put the modeling under toy box and not toolbox. Michael
@@ArtesiaProNorthAmerica ah yes, that's what I meant! I like the fact that every sound is usable, unlike other modules with 90% of sounds I wouldn't even consider using.
@@daltonidaho thanks for your feedback, Dalton!
Pew pew!
Could the stage box also be used on other kits like the 3X or 5X?
Great review as always. Another minor observation... DW 3000 on a $10k kit? Come on, stagers, spring for the good stuff...
8:39 I see Zach grooves in the Background😁
This is brilliant. It's what the ATV kits should have been. It seems to me like this is for acoustic players, so I don't personally see sample import as being an issue. I like the fact that the sounds are dry, and that they've removed all the ambiance, reverb etc. Frankly I don't feel they should have added compression. The only thing I'm gutted about is the touchscreen, as it means I can't use the module. I would have bought one of these kits if it wasn't a touch interface.
Hi, a little question: does it still have a touchscreen? I have no eyesight, hence a touchscreen would be a no go, sadly.
how is it compared to the digital positional-sensing drumkits?
maybe by adding and removing some things they brought the overall price down. At least that's what i'd like to believe, probably not true though.
The snake having built-in XLR outs is huge. Idk why they're not all like that, but they're not. It's the only way to have it if you're gonna ever use them to play a gig.
Great video! What about the cymbal feel? Is it better than Roland or the same?
I think there rubber lip of the cymbals is slightly more pronounced, and the bell feels a tad softer. The overall rubber does have a slightly different feel. Keep in mind, this company uses the same factory as ATV cymbals. So they feel identical for the most part.
I think they sounded amazing for not being a computer program like superior drummer!
Digital or not, those hats are sweet
I bought a Lemon T950 and am VERY happy with it. Screw the module, I hooked up a eDRUMin 10 to my MacBook Pro running Superior Drummer NY Vol 2 Avatar kit. Happy as can be. The only thing I would change is kick being kind of bouncy and still prefer metal cymbals to rubber. Might go for Jobeky cymbal set instead.
Been wondering about this lately... At some point, the growing popularity of non-branded pads and the growing popularity of VSTs are going to run into each other and people will stop buying expensive kits consisting of overpriced pads combined with an overpriced module. Now we just need a reasonable price for the midi interface.
How was the hihat vs the vh14?
Add a Virtual Drum software and those drums would be killer.
Looks great. Also, looks really, really expensive!
How does the hi-hat holds up to the Roland VH14D?
Amazing! gonna be every bit of 6500 bucks but probably more like 10k
Hey Justin fantastic review! Liked and sub'd because of such. I was almost sold until I saw the lack of editing uploading. That's frankly going to kill their target audience of professionals and limit them to the wealthy kids bedrooms.
I almost feel like that's their actuall target audience.
Pros do not like limitations, especially when it comes to sounds and tge ability to customizing anything and make it a "signature sound".
There is plenty of editing capability in the PRO system, but it is geared at the tools more than the toys. Individual bus compressors, tuning, muffling and layering are very useful tools that also let the FOH engineer mix front of house and the drummer drum. It has the capability to route a multi-pad through it and through the stage box, balanced XLR to the house. So it's not really trying to be the "ekit", it's trying to be the drum kit, and can be augmented the same ways you would augment an acoustic kit. It's also meant to be for a pro audience, and that goes for in the studio as well. 12 Channels of XLR to the wall, board or snake, no DI boxes. 12CH USB Audio separated and 16CH USB MIDI simul, or full MIDI by DIN off the stage box. 100% useable, 48K 24bit samples. It's just a different approach, aside from how great this thing feels and responds. It is absolutely aimed at the pro market, but there are Ringo configurations that are much more affordable for home use, practice, lessons etc. Thank you for your feedback! Michael
@ArtesiaProNorthAmerica thank you for breaking that down. I was under the impression from the review that it didn't have the ability to upload sound and audio files. Thank you for explaining this more in depth. I'm now curious again lol.
@@Garage-1881 It does not have sound loading.
Until you started talking, I honestly didn't realise this was an electric kit. If I had several thousand pounds in my bank account I'd totally buy this!
Way too much kit for my tastes, but very cool execution on a flagship product. It was the highlight product for me from this NAMM.
Must admit, for the first time ever, I was impressed by module sounds. All the sound samples were great.
Price point likely $7-10k.
I'm looking forward to seeing where Efnote goes with their kits.
how to buy the efnote cause im in dubai UAE is that available to buy here in dubai forn onine?
Pricing isn't as high as I thought it would be. Looks like they are trying do things the right way though.
I'm intrigued... but it doesn't matter until we see the price.
true
According to some sources it could be around 6500 to 7000 usd... Gotta sell da house!
Seems to me like the digital pads respond better, but the sounds are easily superior to roland. Not having proper sample support is just a complete head scratcher though. It just doesn't make any sense? They need this module to basically be a mimic pro at this price range. Anything else is just not gonna cut it.
Who's the guy playing at the beginning to 00:38?
If I had money to throw at any electronic drum set, I’d get this one in a heartbeat.
Granted kinda is a shame that they would remove ambience and reverb, I get that it’s meant to be a live kit, but it’s still rather a sucky move to remove the feature without even having the option to even have it.
That fella @5.00 looked like he was taking a crap.