NEW Zildjian Z Customs | The Best Cymbals for Metal?

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  • Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
  • The newly revamped line of Zildjian Z Customs live up to their loud legacy, but are they the ultimate cymbals for cutting through the mix? You tell us! Buy them using the links below.
    Chapters:
    00:00 - Orrr ewwwe Radday
    01:06 - New Z Custom Stuff
    02:41 - Z Custom Demo #1
    04:41 - Z Custom Demo #2 w/Mega Bell
    06:40 - Paiste Rude Demo
    08:26 - The Drums
    09:03 - Head to Head Comparison
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    Buy Paiste Rudes here:
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    Paiste Rude Thin Crash Cymbal 17"
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    Paiste Rude Thin Crash Cymbal 19"
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    Paiste Rude Wild China Cymbal 20"
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    Paiste Rude Power Ride Cymbal 20"
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    Bass Drum:
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    Earthworks SR117
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 354

  • @adamfrost3722
    @adamfrost3722 Місяць тому +93

    There’s also a 20” Z Custom Crash and 20” Ride we didn’t feature. They sound remarkably similar to the Z Customs we did feature.

    • @anotheryoutube4635
      @anotheryoutube4635 Місяць тому +2

      You don't say!

    • @haydendraycott7897
      @haydendraycott7897 Місяць тому

      15" hats too. All the new re-introduced models sound great here but those are the cream of the crop for me!

  • @ben1ben
    @ben1ben Місяць тому +100

    Holy shit... no way they actually listened to the people and brought them back New

    • @1dudecrush
      @1dudecrush Місяць тому +13

      That’s exactly what I said too. I’m by no means in the market for these types of cymbals, but my first reaction was “holy shit, they actually did what the people want for once?”

    • @ben1ben
      @ben1ben Місяць тому +1

      @@1dudecrush yeah same

    • @simonr9870
      @simonr9870 Місяць тому +2

      I guess nobody got into the A heavy line. They sound really good too.

    • @6789drummerdude
      @6789drummerdude Місяць тому +4

      I’m just glad they brought back the star hammering, it made for such a good looking cymbal, and good sounding too.

    • @ben1ben
      @ben1ben Місяць тому +3

      @@simonr9870 The A Heavy 15" hi hats are my most dreamed about hi hats, i want them more than any other hi hat. But they are discontinued for a long time now...

  • @nope3015
    @nope3015 Місяць тому +73

    I know it’s meant to pump the new Z’s but those Rudes are just chefs kiss

    • @Bangyourbirdnumb
      @Bangyourbirdnumb Місяць тому +4

      Always preferred Zildjian's myself. The new Z's sound really good.

    • @preferred_trash
      @preferred_trash Місяць тому +6

      It's true, the 21" mega bell ride is heavenly

  • @lrizo3841
    @lrizo3841 Місяць тому +26

    Zildjian always finds a way to keep me playing their cymbals

  • @tobecomezero
    @tobecomezero Місяць тому +32

    Don’t forget your hearing protection with Rudes

    • @jondrummer1989
      @jondrummer1989 Місяць тому +17

      Don't forget your hearing protection with drums full stop!

  • @officialedge6163
    @officialedge6163 Місяць тому +32

    The Rude's still remain the King.

  • @fl00d69
    @fl00d69 Місяць тому +32

    There's only one game in town for sheer volume - Paiste Rudes.

    • @CarlosAnglada
      @CarlosAnglada Місяць тому

      Never tried Xist Power?

    • @lorenzosgariglia7256
      @lorenzosgariglia7256 Місяць тому +4

      I prefer paiste

    • @BlastBe4st
      @BlastBe4st Місяць тому +3

      But no one really needs the volume.. Nowadays we have microphones and sound engineers will love you if your cymbals aren't too loud!

    • @BadgerBoy59
      @BadgerBoy59 15 днів тому

      @@CarlosAnglada I tried the Xist Power cymbals. Paiste RUDEs are definitely way way louder

  • @tylerbailey9329
    @tylerbailey9329 Місяць тому +36

    It troo! Finally, there's legit been such a vacuum for heavier cymbals in recent years

    • @uglypineapple03
      @uglypineapple03 Місяць тому

      Can only recommend the T-Cymbals Metalshop Series. Imo the best "Hey, this is for Metal" - line of Cymbals out there (before you ask. Yes, i've played Rude, yes, i've played the Meinl CC Extreme Metal, which are a total joke, etc.)

  • @masdrums2643
    @masdrums2643 Місяць тому +12

    I switched back to Rudes from Zs 12 years ago. So much better sounding and I haven’t broken one yet. I put 2 sets together, all used. Some date back to ‘83. I would break new Z Custom crashes every 14 months or so. That went on for a decade. The Rude Power rides are great. My favorite crashes are the Bashers and Wild Crashes. The Wild Crash cuts a little more and the Bashers are little smoother, so I use those to record and the Wilds live. Loud cymbals are great in all size venues because in smaller venues, there’s usually no overhead mics. This all pertains to loud, aggressive music styles of course.

  • @TedDiabetes
    @TedDiabetes Місяць тому +26

    Really happy to see the relaunch of Z Customs. I used quite a few last gen era models from 2001 when I saw still in high school until the end of that decade. I feel like these new models have directed all the best parts of the previous incarnations into a single stream. Tight, glassy, and powerful. That being said, the RUDE series still wins out for me. I prefer the thin crashes over the other models, but they just have so much more body and depth while still maintaining a bright, shimmering attack that isn't clangy. I wanted to make the jump to Paiste for years, and I finally did so back in 2017. Regardless, these new Zs sound fantastic, and im really glad Zildjian listened and brought back a key line in their history.

  • @drummaman1
    @drummaman1 Місяць тому +22

    The first cymbal combo (15h, 17,19c, 22r, 20ch) sound very good and extremely musical! Was not expecting it. Z really did their research, and nailed down a crash sound with good weight and projection, without offering med-thins and heavy that generally won’t sell. You won’t need to have all the extra if you design it right the first time.
    And those Sonors…❤

    • @SamSpencer-cf7fx
      @SamSpencer-cf7fx 22 дні тому

      Agreed; can’t believe how musical they sound. Had a set of old Zs and always thought they just sounded like very loud beginner cymbals! Though I still prefer the Rudes

  • @demonicsweaters
    @demonicsweaters Місяць тому +21

    The interesting thing about the Z hats and crashes, is they actually seem to sound quite mellow. Not sure that's what they're going for, but they sound really nice to my ears. Low pitch, almost dark sounding. The rides and chinas definitely cut and would work great for metal, but I think the others would be great for anything! I really like them!

    • @jamesdennett196
      @jamesdennett196 Місяць тому +2

      Agreed. Especially thought that about the 20 Z ride. Lovely sound, but not necessarily 'metal'

  • @daynnethedrummer684
    @daynnethedrummer684 Місяць тому +8

    These are the best any of the Z's have ever sounded by miles.

  • @bennorrell6411
    @bennorrell6411 Місяць тому +7

    New and creative ways of getting around that copyright infringement.😂 Good thing that “Blind” intro is instantly recognizable.👍

  • @hiptoalieu
    @hiptoalieu Місяць тому +6

    YO, I gotta hand it to Zildjian...these sound actually KILLIN! Definitely more musical than I was expecting, the crashes are pitched nicely, and OH MY GOSH that china is SICK!

  • @cyanhobbit
    @cyanhobbit Місяць тому +12

    Man, the nostalgia! When I started playing drums in 2000 I always wanted Z Customs, saw them in every cool music video. Then tried them later on, and went straight to Paiste, never looked back. These look cool and all, but sadly it's not even close when comparing these to Rudes, they are still way more musical than Zs in my opinion.

  • @johngiummarra8983
    @johngiummarra8983 Місяць тому +95

    The Rudes all day long. Paiste got it right in 1980.

    • @lrizo3841
      @lrizo3841 Місяць тому +6

      Nah.. your opinion sounds biased

    • @nickruggiero7204
      @nickruggiero7204 Місяць тому +4

      @@lrizo3841 well if zildjian didn't change the formula, to make them thinner, then we might have had something to compare and debate

    • @ulisseslopez3738
      @ulisseslopez3738 Місяць тому

      @@lrizo3841 Paiste didn't have to change things up from start. Zildjian goes through trail and error; All in all, great sounding cymbals from both companies, I personally favor the Rudes.

    • @BlastBe4st
      @BlastBe4st Місяць тому +4

      Nah.. the rudes look cool but they don't sound good in my opinion.

    • @apsestasis
      @apsestasis Місяць тому +3

      Rudes sound so much better it's not even close. Z tired to outrude rudes with the original z's and failed then aswell

  • @peteluce
    @peteluce Місяць тому +2

    Love the Z Mega Bell and the Crashes. Love the Rude Hi Hats, China and Ride! Mix and match for me!

  • @designercaolho
    @designercaolho Місяць тому +7

    Good god, these new Zs sound AMAZING. I was expecting the crashes to be a lot harsher, but I was in for a good surprise.

  • @drumfanatik316
    @drumfanatik316 Місяць тому +1

    I love the Z Custom line and still have a few! Glad they brought them back!!!

  • @joemetaldrummer
    @joemetaldrummer Місяць тому +3

    So happy that these are back.
    Side note... That kit sounds phenomenal!

  • @mountainofsound
    @mountainofsound Місяць тому

    The cymbals perfectly fill out that kit and it sound so fullllllll LOVE IT!

  • @thatdudekyle5690
    @thatdudekyle5690 Місяць тому +6

    I absolutely love those 15 inch Z custom hi hats..I think I just found my next pair! Thanks for the content fellas!

  • @chriswood5763
    @chriswood5763 Місяць тому +5

    These new Z customs are more musical than I expected! Really nice. Well done!

  • @danielsisk2963
    @danielsisk2963 Місяць тому +4

    Really digging the new z custom sounds😮

  • @AF99499
    @AF99499 Місяць тому +17

    I wasn't overly a fan of the Z Customs, but those 15" hats are easily the best 15" hats I've ever heard. I've never really liked how 15s sounded personally but those Zs sound incredible.

  • @rglickdrums
    @rglickdrums Місяць тому +1

    Glad that the Z custom is back! Been waiting for a long time for Cymbals to come back

  • @kenkamman7536
    @kenkamman7536 Місяць тому +2

    please keep the guy with the long hair behind the kit! he’s always fun to watch and has awesome groove 🤘🤘

  • @danyheld9952
    @danyheld9952 Місяць тому

    It's great that the Z series is back. They sound great 👍🏼

  • @massimoazimonti7673
    @massimoazimonti7673 Місяць тому +6

    I had some rude in the past...outstanding volume and cutting through the band...not versatile cymbals because you have to hit them heavy...happy to listen that these new Z ones now are a true alternative!

  • @davedronski7749
    @davedronski7749 22 дні тому

    Man when I first started drumming z customs with that brilliant finish and cool hammer pattern were my favorite cymbals before I ever even heard them! Obviously I was even more in love with them once I heard and played them.

  • @RTEllis
    @RTEllis Місяць тому +7

    Barrett sounds great! Drums sound great! Paiste Rudes sound great!

  • @nickdenardo6479
    @nickdenardo6479 Місяць тому +2

    that mega bell ride sounds awesome for metal.
    drums sounded great too. no surprise, since they're sq2s

  • @Martin-kn6vc
    @Martin-kn6vc 27 днів тому +1

    Wowee! That Rude china sounds great!

  • @bassplate
    @bassplate Місяць тому

    Those thick-shell toms sound awesome!

  • @JPDrums1990
    @JPDrums1990 Місяць тому +7

    They’re back!!!!!

  • @meddandrummer
    @meddandrummer 29 днів тому +3

    pAisTe rude by far, really amazing cymbals for rock and metal

  • @chrishemming9976
    @chrishemming9976 Місяць тому

    The big bell ride!! Iconic

  • @demonicsweaters
    @demonicsweaters Місяць тому +3

    Damn, Z Customs are back! They sound sweet!

  • @user-vw7cw7gp4g
    @user-vw7cw7gp4g Місяць тому

    Love the colour of this kit

  • @Lumerdrums
    @Lumerdrums Місяць тому +6

    Although I am playing thin cymbals (even in metal) I have to admit the new Z's sound quite awesome. It seems like you don't have to bash the sh.. out of them in order for them to open up. And they are not too bright for metal cymbals. That's why I prefer them against the Rude line. With paiste rude I always had to hit really hard to get rid of the "gong" type tone character. They are just really thick :D I like to play with different dynamics but I guess for a hard hitting metal only player both would fit prefectly. great video and insane mix as always.

  • @bacongl
    @bacongl Місяць тому

    I have the 21 inch Z Custom Mega Bell Ride from the early 90s and it is still one of my favorite rides. Its a beast. Also pairs great with a 9 inch Zil bel.

  • @scottnickerson2
    @scottnickerson2 Місяць тому +3

    Rudes rule, but the 15 Z Custom hats really got my attention!

  • @d.r.971
    @d.r.971 Місяць тому +3

    The bassdrum sound is killer

  • @Maggotaf
    @Maggotaf Місяць тому +4

    Damn the z China sounds perfect!

  • @Tygard_93
    @Tygard_93 Місяць тому +2

    About time !!! Not all of us want dry and dark

  • @luvmedrums4057
    @luvmedrums4057 Місяць тому +2

    Forget the cymbals,that kit is just freaking a beast!

  • @pfunnk14
    @pfunnk14 Місяць тому

    I know this is about the cymbals but that kit and snare are so freaking amazing. Gotta love those sq2s

  • @allenmitchell09
    @allenmitchell09 Місяць тому

    I have an original mega bell ride, bought new in about '98, and it feels like a pallet of bricks when you're riding on the bow. It's so satisfying.

  • @ManuelAdGomez
    @ManuelAdGomez Місяць тому

    Cool!! I have the 21" Z3 Megabell ride

  • @CornerStoreDrums
    @CornerStoreDrums Місяць тому

    Oh WOW the Z Custom reminds me of my childhood!!

  • @l337drums9
    @l337drums9 Місяць тому

    Awesome Korn intro 👍

  • @flapjack413
    @flapjack413 Місяць тому +4

    Sick they brought back Z Customs. I have a 2001 mega bell ride with the circle shaped hammering, and it's been my favorite cymbal for years. It is an absolute beast. Freaking thing weighs 8.75 lbs! It's the only cymbal I've ever owned that I am 100% confident I will never crack, haha. Kinda funny, considering how notorious most Z Customs were for breakage.
    Those new crashes sound a lot better than I remember the old ones sounding. Much less clangy than what I recall from the old ones.

    • @JeffMisa
      @JeffMisa Місяць тому

      I wish they would have compared the two mega bell rides.

  • @kevinlane7555
    @kevinlane7555 26 днів тому

    I've had a Rude 18" crash/ride for 30+ years....favorite cymbal of all time...loud, durable and sounds great

  • @JeffMisa
    @JeffMisa Місяць тому +1

    It would be really nice to have a comparison on the two Zildjian mega bell rides, the A and Z. 🙏😊

  • @VicktorCorrea
    @VicktorCorrea Місяць тому

    Finally they are back!!!!

  • @danteague9748
    @danteague9748 25 днів тому

    I'd love to see a z custom vs aax xplosion crash comparison. Especially 16" and 17". Love the videos and purchasing from your team. Thanks guys.

  • @jessiebeveridge742
    @jessiebeveridge742 Місяць тому

    The Z’s bring back great memories!

  • @Freogeteknet
    @Freogeteknet 28 днів тому

    the whole lineup sound really buttery to me! I really like that in the crashes and the 20" china!! sooo good!! But the hi-hats remind me of like meinl medium classics custom or something...

  • @scottmacwilliams8308
    @scottmacwilliams8308 Місяць тому +1

    The Z crashes sound nice, but when he laid into it with the hats open, the crashes got lost. I switched to Paiste when I first heard 2002’s in the 70’s. Paiste’s are so much crisper and really cut through. Love the sound edge hats, so crispy and clean. Love the Rude crashes and have two in my setup with a 2002 Power Ride.
    Those drums sound really great, the tone on the Tom’s is awesome.
    Great comparison video!

  • @jerryweston4097
    @jerryweston4097 Місяць тому

    What a kit..and the colour is 🔥 prefer the paiste..great vid..

  • @moondrums
    @moondrums Місяць тому

    I just watched this before work today. I DO NOT NEED ANY MORE CYMBALS.......but I think I want a pair of the these Z customs.

  • @nathanwilkerson4382
    @nathanwilkerson4382 Місяць тому +2

    I remember selling a lot of these back in the day. A comment i got a lot was, "I dont love them but theyre loud"...I know theyre designed for a specific purpose, but im curious if these are made much differently and also sound better in person? When they were re-done, that definitely helped. I understand with being heavy in weight, certain characteristics are likely. But yes, these should definitely sell well again...the comments about not crashing the mega bell made me think of the prototype Craig Reynolds was working on.

  • @krysvalkyrion8252
    @krysvalkyrion8252 28 днів тому

    I have a 22" Paiste Twenty Custom Metal Ride, but the New Z Custom seems like fun too.

  • @the_terrorizer
    @the_terrorizer Місяць тому +1

    I think this actually sold me on the Paiste's more than the new Z's lmao. I came here expecting to be wowed by the Z Customs! Still, amazing demo, and I may be picking up some Paiste's now

  • @Druhmher
    @Druhmher 25 днів тому

    They all Sounded great! I’m still waiting paiste to come back out with those master chinas

  • @paulmora2480
    @paulmora2480 Місяць тому +2

    All the Rudes sounded awesome. For my preference Z wise 15 17 19 21 mega 20 china were also fire 🔥

  • @CodyOsburn
    @CodyOsburn 24 дні тому +1

    Can we get a comprehensive video of the Zildjian brand like how you did with Paiste? That'd be awesome!

  • @daltonidaho
    @daltonidaho Місяць тому +1

    I was expecting clangy sounds, but these are nice! Star hammering is interesting 😅 P.S. that Sonor is wild! 🥵

  • @courtkennyindependen
    @courtkennyindependen 6 днів тому

    Great video! Z Custom clear winner

  • @ll7868
    @ll7868 Місяць тому

    I'm a creature of habit and have preferred Paiste since my first kit in 1984, 2002s to be specific but I really like the Rude series, nice deep ambiance and shimmer. They also look badass, designed for a heavy beating.

  • @DrumRoody
    @DrumRoody Місяць тому +1

    Yeah even got the change in tempo😊

  • @carolinewagenknecht1933
    @carolinewagenknecht1933 Місяць тому

    Watched it on mute a while and Barret still made my day! Barret Bobblehead Doll. Let's go Shane get em in stock!!!

  • @robertriecker7867
    @robertriecker7867 Місяць тому

    Love them all

  • @kyleboggs1966
    @kyleboggs1966 Місяць тому

    Z customs all day for me. I’m switching back now but it would be cool if you did a demo as they were intended. Metal

  • @rickjones507
    @rickjones507 Місяць тому

    WOW! for big heavy metal cymbals, this old new Z customs sound great and pretty musical. Actually much preferred them to the RUDEs

  • @donalddekay788
    @donalddekay788 Місяць тому

    Did that Charlie Benante spotlight video on Drumeo spark this? Love it guys! TY

  • @chrislongo221
    @chrislongo221 Місяць тому

    I love the original Zs and I'm hoping they'll bring back Platinums!

  • @lovecraftmusic8717
    @lovecraftmusic8717 Місяць тому

    Ultimate ride for metal is the 24 Rude imo...always loved thebsuper defined high pitched ping.

  • @adamwebster9784
    @adamwebster9784 19 днів тому

    19 Z custom crash sounds great

  • @oysterhead5150
    @oysterhead5150 Місяць тому

    I think I could use these in church... Lol! Seriously though, I want them! I have a few from 1994, they still kick butt, especially live.

  • @pacificdrumma
    @pacificdrumma Місяць тому

    I love that Barrett is just the go-to rock demo guy

    • @richboshart1201
      @richboshart1201 Місяць тому

      Yeah, he’s great but wouldn’t it be entertaining to watch Barrett play some soft jazz?

    • @tinterlande
      @tinterlande Місяць тому

      @@richboshart1201I’ll make this happen.

  • @AaronTremblay
    @AaronTremblay Місяць тому

    The only thing missing was a demo of the classic Z custom bottom K custom top hi hat setup! 😂

  • @osamashaikh6530
    @osamashaikh6530 Місяць тому

    I thinks the Z’s and DW collector series will be a great combo.

  • @mrc8086
    @mrc8086 Місяць тому

    Wow! Those Z Customs mic up nice! The Z Customs have more body and gush than the Paiste Rude's. You can hear that on the head to head vid's.

  • @alancarver2511
    @alancarver2511 Місяць тому +1

    Nice collection but the original unlathed Z Mega Bell ('89-'93) will always be my favorite.

  • @nathanielhornblowerjr6431
    @nathanielhornblowerjr6431 Місяць тому

    Nice Blind intro!!

  • @buddrumz
    @buddrumz 24 дні тому

    would have loved to see them bring it all the way back with the 86 hammering and logo

  • @speedyg5842
    @speedyg5842 Місяць тому +1

    i used to play Paiste but i switched over to Zildjian after hearing A Customs but man i think these Z's sound even better then those!

  • @funnyminky
    @funnyminky Місяць тому

    Both sets sounded great - for me the RUDES had the sound I am used to, I have to say I prefered the lower pitched hats of the Z hats - 15" sound edge RUDES would be a good choice.

  • @jjcdrumplay
    @jjcdrumplay Місяць тому +1

    That older spiral hammering is nice looking too. They still use it in the.Zildjian K Constantinople. How does the star hammering hold up and is it more for appearance. S family is pretty loud too!

  • @chinatype
    @chinatype Місяць тому

    Bit of a Korn tune at the beginning 🥳

  • @borispopovic2570
    @borispopovic2570 Місяць тому +4

    With the Crashes I like the Rudes a lot more. The China is way better from Zildjian, the Rides are both genius, also totally different Sounds and with the Hihats I like the Zildjians more. Great Video again, thx!

  • @rippindrummer666
    @rippindrummer666 Місяць тому

    I’m not even a zildjian fan but I still regret selling my old z custom megabell. Im def getting one of these new megabells

  • @a.proctopus
    @a.proctopus Місяць тому

    oh yes! these are so great for you! 😬

  • @sullysullster8217
    @sullysullster8217 Місяць тому

    Normally a Paiste 2002 guy but the 2000 2nd generation era Z Customs were a great line. I used a 18" and sometimes a 20"medium crash for everything from blues to punk and they were musical without sounding clangy like the first generation. They have since devolved but this new lineup sounds good.

  • @Lupine.
    @Lupine. 27 днів тому

    DCP, y'all should do a Dry Ride Shootout.

  • @Drumgirl1982
    @Drumgirl1982 20 днів тому

    We need a comparison with mienl extreme metal Cymbals or meinl classic customs dark cymbals both are wicked kewl sets for that heavy hit player. 🔥🤘🏻🔥

  • @luisclavero8886
    @luisclavero8886 Місяць тому

    I'm happy z custom is back. Just wished they brought the one cymbal I absolutely loved. The 19" thrash ride. In particular the z3 version.

    • @lrizo3841
      @lrizo3841 Місяць тому

      They also have a 20-inch crash which is very similar to that 19 inch trash ride Z3

    • @luisclavero8886
      @luisclavero8886 Місяць тому

      @@lrizo3841 that's very true. But the thrash ride did have a unique hammering pattern as a left side ride as intended. But if that 20" can do the job then I'm all for that.

  • @rossrondinelli1602
    @rossrondinelli1602 22 дні тому

    Paiste for decades, very impressive with the z's.