Why 600cc Supersports Are DEAD
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2022
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Yamaha's YZF-R6 has set the benchmark for the 600cc supersport motorcycles class. It was first released in 1999, but last year 2021 it is no longer available as a road bike, and also the sales of 600cc road motorcycles have been declining in recent years, but why? Let's find out in today’s video!
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Can still get a Ninja Zx6r 636 in Aus for 16k. While the new yamaha R7 is selling at 15k with far less performance. I would rather a 636 any day!
Uau that much? Here in Portugal the R7 is something around 8k
How much is the cbr650r there? I bought mine for 10k. I'm curious 😅
R7 isn’t really a super sport with that massive 94 bhp 😂
@@ironskyheart7749 94hp is the cbr650r, the R7 has 74 lmao
I don't really understand the r7 to be honest. R6 seemed like a much better bike. It only makes sense here in Québec as real supersport motorcycles cost 1800$cad every year to register + insurance.
they need to remove the dumb expensive electronics packages and stop wasting so much money on emissions choked out heavy ugly oem exhaust systems
600 will never die they just need to chill tf out on all these extras that just makes the bike feel like it drives itself. Next thing you know they're putting motogp style ride height adjustments In and wondering why people don't want it. A lot of guys these days are looking for a older style more authentic ride, and the rest are just highway junkies.
Spot on
I'm old. I still consider 600s as those responsible for the death of the best sportsbikes ever. The 750s.
Old 750s have less performance than golden to current era 600s though
@@rarescopaceanu5916 it's the torque, 750s are the best when you can open em up. A 600 geared short let's you have that fun on the street without breaking every speeding law known to man IMO
@@rarescopaceanu5916 Gsxr 750 have a lot more power then any 600
@@streetracer155 Correctamundo. Closer to the 600 in displacement, but much closer to the litre bike in power.
Yea why did that happen? When i bought my 04 zx6r, the only 750 option @ the time was suzuki's 750 , but the insurance company but that out of reasonable reach as I'd only had the licence for a year . I think 750 will be back , as i did back then , its a great balance between rideability & torque
I had a duke 390 and I wanted to switch to a sport bike. So I bought a used 2006 R6. This bike is simply perfect but if I had to buy a new one I would still buy a 600. The riding experience that these bikes provide is fantastic and none of these new R7/RS660 can match the feeling. I would rather spend more money on insurance and gasoline than ride a fake sport bike. I prefer naked bikes over these super sport
Yes. 600rr here. Totally agree.
enduro, supermoto's and naked are the best bikes
@@kevinmai4326 agreed. Smaller bikes have always been more enjoyable to me. 400 class(ish) and supermotos are the most fun imo.
Totally agree with, R7, Ninja650 and CBR650R are crap, but take something in count, many people call those bikes “super sport, and those bikes aren’t supersport bikes, they are SPORT bikes “less than 100hp.
Supersport bikes, R6r, ZX6R, CBR600RR, GSXR600 and GSXR750, Daytona 675, are a real SUPERSPORT.
The 250cc, 400cc classes are still very strong especially in Asia
I got a 04 zx6r new all those years ago , used all year round in uk & it's stood the test of time - & never let me down ! What a bike , i have an r1 now , & still have my zx6r, i have a lot of respect for a machine that just does what it does with no faults for all that time .
That was my favorite video so far. 600s are so cool. My grandfather has an FZR600 race bike and I can't wait to get my own 600 to match up with his
Thanks for sharing man!
Another great vid again!
Glad you enjoyed!
I’ve owned 2015 yzfr1 2019 krt zx10r 2019 aprilia rsv4 1100 factory All of these where amazing bikes my favorite was the R1! For me that bike was perfect. As time went on I decided I wasn’t riding as much but still wanted a bike around so I picked up a 2023 gsx r600 and I have to say it has been amazing! Handling is great bike feels and rides amazing. It doesn’t have the power but I can push the bike a lot more vs having a 1000 you find yourself trying to tame and control the bikes power the whole time. I can ride either bike not going to pick one over the other but the 600 is plenty bike and I’ve been riding 10 years do with that what you will. Just know either bike will 1000% out perform you.
Used to have a 600 Norton that was full of racing goodies including a vertical head from the racing program.
Started looking at 600cc range for a retirement hobby. But bikes that size from more recently weigh as much as liter bikes. So
I ended up with 1000 cc Triumph triple instead
With modern electronics making 1000cc bikes safer to ride hard, it really does make sense to go that route if you can afford it. One of the reasons I went with a ZX10 instead of a ZX6.
same went for a R1 instead of R6 due pricing
but you dont have the same expierince, whyle you rev the 600 to the limit our of every corner. On the 1kilo you use maybe 60% of the power on the street.
@@Noobikus1 street vs track riding is different. 1000cc in street eats everything for breakfast, instant rocket missile acceleration everytime. I assume thats why they prefer them . 99,999% of riders won't be able to touch knee in a 300cc in track anyways.
@@manbiteslife3110 before you get the Power on the street the TC Cuts you Power of. You cant Take Out all the Juice from a Liter Bike. With a 750 its no Problem to get power in the ground. Sometimes i took 2nd Gear, enaugh nm. Something between 80 ist nm ist more than enaugh in street. You feel more comfotable. My meaning
@@Noobikus1 I was talking about 600 vs 1000. 750 is the best balance
Good to learn!
Thank you! Cheers!
I love my Daytona 675r, with respect of the creator of this video, I don’t think that 600cc to 759cc “super sport bikes” is near to dead, for 3 reasons:
1. There is a MOTO2 “motoGP” races category and also around the world SuperSport category, while those categories exist, the 600 motorcycle will exist.
2. As a supersport bike owner I can told you that any 250cc 300cc or 400 cc two or four cylinders bike could beat a real “top SuperSport bikes R6r, CBR600rr, ZX6R, Daytona 675, GSXR600” because 600cc sector are much better in anything “more HP and Nw torque engines, better suspension fully adjustable, better brakes system’s, better chasis, better performance, and the market knows that still a lot of supersport bikes lovers and buyers like me and million’s more, not everyone wants a 1.000 cc SBK motorcycles buddy, for many reasons “too expensive, too heavy, too expensive maintenance and petrol eating, and no reason to pay $5k or even more for a bike that is only 40 km\h and 3 seconds faster than your 600c.c.
3. We cannot say’s that 300cc or 400cc bikes will disappear because we already have 600cc bikes, the motorcycle market is not fo0l that’s why they made a bike for every rider! so, nice vid bro but I’m not agree with you and what you say’s about 600cc dead or end in this video.
Take care.
Good video MS. Also seems like the new generation of riders have a more sophisticated understanding of what makes a good street bike. Standard/naked bikes like the Yamaha MT or Kawasaki Z series and Honda CB650 make for much better street riding experience and are basically as much fun.
Still ride my 600 ZX6R purchased new in 1998
The 400 and 600 bikes . Are great for first time riders. They are a little bit easier to learn on. There are so many ppl that go out and buy a 17 k 1000cc bike n wreak it within a month. Bc the bike is just way to much for them. The 600 will make a comeback. Too many clowns will wrap up the big boy bikes.
Don't underestimate 600 ccm3, it is lethal in high revs.
600cc supersport ain't no learners motorcycle bro
I don't know why people say that
Are agree. Yam R6 for instance is a scary weapon on the road and track
So sad to see that the 600cc Inline-4 Supersport bikes are dead. I have always preferred 600cc bikes over Lite-Bikes on the street, in the canyons, and on the racetrack. These 600cc bikes are just so much more fun to ride. As for speed, it is always 95% rider anyways. On the Racetrack, and back in the day, I could beat 99% of Liter-Bike Riders with my 2003 R6. Back then, I even got trophies with my 1999 R6 while racing in the 1000cc class. 2004 was the last year I raced (2003 R6) and the last year I ever owned a Road Motorcycle (but have owned MX bikes since then). Until this year of 2024, the last time I actually rode on legal roads on street registered motorcycle was 2002 (2000 R1). In 2024, when I was shopping for a 600 inline-4 Supersport bike, I considered all the Big 4. Kawi has the best tech, and has the most power, but I just don't like the way it looks. Also, all those fancy doo-dads the ZX6R has is NOT for me. I like my bike old school. The GSXR600 I liked but I did NOT like the single headlight of the gixxer6, I just prefer the looks of dual headlights. I have a fondness for R6s because I raced them for so many years, so I was sad to see that Yamaha no longer made the R6, but at the same time, it would have been a hard decision to pick it over the 600RR. I eventually chose the 600RR because it looks the best, and it's a Honda! Honda CBRs have always been ultra reliable bikes, that are easy to ride fast, that are forgiving of mistakes, and bikes easy to work on. The 600RR is just an all around better bike than all the others, it is more comfortable and makes a great daily driver, and I can even see myself touring on a 600RR because it is so comfortable. For the Track and Canyons, I would rather have an R6, but for an everyday and do it all bike, the 600RR is easily my choice. Maybe a year from now when I am 54, I will get back into racing and pick up a TRACK ONLY R6 if I can find one for a good deal.
So interesting!
I just bought my first 600 supersport bike. 2006 R6, great bike, plenty of power and I enjoy being able to shift thru a normal ride so a liter bike isn't really as appealing. Sure the new ones have modes to make it feel more like a 600, but I'm not trying to buy a brand new bike if I can get a used one. It's got a lot of money worth of mods already installed and well taken care of so yeah. I'll get a liter bike one day for sure, but 600 is great for now.
Good job
Those 250-400cc supersports are imo the most sexy looking bikes ever made! Sound amazing, look amazing. They also have plenty of power for newer riders and you will always be revving the shir out if the little thing making it more fun than being in 2nd gear on a 1000cc
2 cylinder 250cc 400cc sounds like scooter
@@Nixonbutcher Im talking abt the 4cyl ones
@@bve7397 wich one ?
@@Nixonbutcher zx25r, zx4r and older japs
It's just because of the price, few ks lower than a 1000cc would eventually effect the sales, suppose if a 1000cc was 16/17k than the 600 should be 8/9k that is how it should've go the pricing, buying 1000cc with 16k instead of buying a 600 by 12k was quite idiotic
Here in India a 1000cc cost around 18-20+ lakhs and a 600cc cost 13-14 lakhs, more powerful, and overall better with same mileage what would you pick?
It's really simple, they were too expensive for what they have to offer. That's why the new middle class sport come with bigger engine. If you noticed we already have Yamaha R9 coming, the CBR 750 concept and soon the other kawasaki and suzuki will come up
Bigger does not mean faster, nor better.
Kawasaki & Yamaha will atleast produce the R9 with a MT-09 engine, and the ZX-9R / Ninja 900 will based on the Z900 .
Kawasaki made a good split between sport touring and supersport classes with the ZX nameplate to differentiate it .
I don't know about Suzuki though, but definitely they'll do something too .
Gotta say, I actually agree
I can tell you why in the UK. They changed the bike test a decade ago and it basically moved all the supersoprts 600s of the time out of reach of new riders because they were over 100 hp. Sad really.
Basically, you no longer passed your bike test and went out and bought a shiny GSXR600 with matching leathers.
Kawasaki tried to rescue the ninja name by calling the ER6F a ninja when it wasn't, and a modern cbr650 will be our classed by a 15 year old cbr600rr.
Sales are down to almost zero
this is uploaded 10 months ago from writing this comment.
Yet how come i've seen this video more than 3 years ago?
I got the cbr 600 f4i 2001 and i love it
That price is my problem :))......
My first new bike was a 1000 cc, because the smaller ones didn''t meet the price/quality ratio that one needs....
Lol what was the quality issue and what 1000 did you buy?
Im seeing naked bikes are ever more popular now and are hitting the same speeds and performance as race/ sport bikes
In Indonesia 250cc is the most popular, and 600cc is our dream bike, 1000cc is too fast for Indonesian small muddy full of patholes roads
That's My bike at 1:35 ... the actual one, just b4 I picked em up - Love him to Bits !! 😜
You mean the "new" generation that is going to be the last CBR600RR that costs twice as much as the last? That being said I hope you really do enjoy it.
@@ThermicLight Roger That 🤟
Sportsbikes should be more naked bikes with fairings and aimed for higher speeds. Naked bikes made from supersports are just worse normal naked bikes and should be their own kind of bikes, and making separate sportsbike and naked bike would be way more expensive so making sportsbike out of naked with fairings and little more aggressive ergo would be better.
I had an F4i but there are speed cammeras in every corner so supersports are no longer an option.
Only thing I would ever buy 1000 ccm3 over 600 ccm3 is because of it's size, but 600 ccm3 was best class I ever had.
The problem isn't that 1000cc are getting better, the problem is that they're putting so many rider aids on the thousands that even somebody who's never ridden a bike in their life can jump on and ride it like they know what they're doing. The companies are taking all the skill out of riding motorcycles and making everyone think the Valentino Rossi
Biggest killer was emissions.
I'm hoping the Aprilia 457 will be a good bike.
funny how mamy 600 rider is faster than 1000
It’s because all the UA-camrs recommending against super sports because they are “uncomfortable”
I bought a 636 this year (had a Harley and buell in the past) and I can’t believe I waited so long to experience such a well balanced high performance machine.
Plus I look way cooler than my friends on their nakeds 😎
Nice.
I still say they priced themselves out of the market
ID WAY RATHER RIDE A 600 THEY ARE THE FUNNEST HIGHER REVS YOU CAN RING THAT SHIT OUT
in the past where motorcycles did not rely heavily on technology, a 600cc and 1000cc has clear distinct advantages/disadvantages in terms of handling, speed, etc. However, due to technology now, a 1000cc is just advantageous in all aspects. You have the power and speed, technology helps to control the handling etc. Why would people still want a 600cc no matter how much technology is put on a 600cc, there is a still a disadvantage for speed and power against the 1000cc. Riding has evolved over the years with technologies that allows new and old riders to ride the bike to its maximum efficiency. In the past, you really need the experience to ride well. Now? Brakling technique sucks? ABS. Sliding during cornering sucks? Traction control. Not to mention electronic suspension, anti wheelie, launch control etc. Price point, a few grand difference; definitely litre bikes will be the most picked.
Too uncomfortable and the cbr650r is down on power and up on weight from a 20 year old cbrf4i only benefit is abs if you want that and suspension might be fancier but why bother paying another 1200 minimum in dealer fees on an already >10k 600 4 cylinder when you can find clean used bikes for ~4k
Also Like Why would i spend £9k on a new R7 etc When i could get an older R1 for £4k
Biggest market for 2 wheels is asia, and 600cc are alive there. Just the stupid prices of bikes like the R7 damages the category
Thats sad
the answer of all is 750 cc . Best of all Classes😉
But not everyone can afford to run a 1000cc RI ? DUCATI OR CBR1000RR. COULD THIS BE DAMNING FOR RIDERS THAT ONLY WANT MID ENGINED RIDES ?
Everything your saying is bs 😅 the reason they are stopping production of many types of motorcycles is because they won't pass emissions tests so they don't want to make the model of bike worse which means they have to make new models if I got a new r6 and it's performance was worse than my friends old gen I'd be mad pissed and want my money back so they make new models nothing to do with the market l, that's why the r7 is slower than an r6 and has less hp and torque etc 😅
Have never owned a 600 supersport but my opinion is they are a narrow focus motorcycle, meaning they are a track bike first and foremost which makes them less practical as an everyday street bike. Hence the rising popularity of naked and adventure bikes. Cheers and ride on.👍👍
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Too uncomfortable and no storage
I would rather get vfr 800 then r6
Dont sell your 600cc bike they will be a time when they will wish for them to come back. If they want one so badly sell it for twice as much. That wil send the message to those 600 haters you aint selling.
Cuz sport nakeds perform just as well as a 600cc super sport on the road--- Z900/MT09/GSXS750/Duke890 etc --- Street Triple--- but are good road bikes also and very comfortable ergo's. You lose nothing as far as power and cornering for all practical purposes on the street even shredding in the curves.
So why would buy a 600? Now a liter bike.... that's a different story, as that's a monster you can't get with an ordinary bike lol
Their are litre sports nakeds too...so?
That honesty you're kind of comparing apples and oranges here. Plus it gets a little more involved when you can purchase "sports" bikes like the CBR650R with relaxed ergos but still has full fairing.
@@ThermicLight cbr650r is a naked with fairings not a supersport, basically a small aport tourer--- same with rs660-- awesome bikes.
Liter naked don't produce the same performance as liter Supersport. Some have the HP but not other factors.
@@englishsteel-nz6im - Who said the litre naked need to have the same performance as a supersport to be fun?
This is what I mean. You're comparing apples with oranges here. Especially that I reject your premise that middle weight nakeds and sports have no meaningful difference. But then suddenly change your mind when it comes to 1000cc.
@@ThermicLight you're actually not reading what I'm saying--- performance wise liter supersports are the pinnacle of road motorcycle performance. 600s are not and fall in a category that's in between like most modern sport naked.
You get a s1000rr M package for a specific reason.
An R6 tho can be matched by a KTM 890 duke R basically and the Duke is more practical.
Nothing I posted is contradictory and the vast majority of riders can't ride any of these bikes to their full capability.
@@englishsteel-nz6im - The pinnacle is really just fundamentally the difference between hp. Hence why an experienced rider on an R6 can beat an amateur on an R1.
Bikes have become electronic pile of garbage. I like my 600 cc Fazer and gonna stick with it for a long time. Highway junkies will get tired of their over-engineered fuel-hungry liter toy bikes and 600 cc bikes will make a comeback.
600 is ded because the 750cc gsxr is only 7 lbs heavier but ya gain 25hp
very goood! hahahah
Because no one rides the way that rider in the clickbait pic shows. There ya go, saved everyone time.
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who spends 1000cc money on a 600cc bike, also explains why sales are slumping on the 1000cc's they priced themselves out of the game. You can buy a nice sports car for 20k, why buy a bike, sure the car will be a few years old but it will be faster, and have more electronics and well, everything
Not faster
@@i_observe9846 yes faster. Mercedes AMG C63 will go faster
@@ObiWanCannabi how
@@i_observe9846 ua-cam.com/video/99yBh-0uRIM/v-deo.html
90k car is now about 12-14k 17 or so years later, which is a little cheaper than a 2016 R1 in my country, comes with more driver aids and it's comfortable while you rag it, unlike modern sports bikes which just have traction control and anti wheelie.. like that must add so much cost to things...
You gotta ask why a 1999-04 R1 costs 5 grand still when they were 8-9 thousand brand new.. if it was equally comparable to the AMG it should have lost a good 85% of its MSRP, depreciation just stopped being a thing on bikes.
Look at my situation, I have 5 thousand saved for a bike, now I could buy a 19 year old POS thats in a relatively nice condition or wait another year and maybe get a big bang, or wait another year and i could get a 2015, but then once i got 10 grand to spend i think im gonna look at a nice car. Maybe a 2009 Nissan 370z or a 2006 AMG Mercedes, no way im paying 5 thousand for something that cost 9 nearly 20 years ago
@@ObiWanCannabi ur smoking if ur getting that car for 20k lol
600cc are dead because they´re fucking expensive ! maybe 20 years ago people had the money and lifestyle to own one but today ....shiiiit !!! advice buy one know because 600cc superbikes price will skyrocket....
First of all I would argue the CBR600RR was the trend setter for mid class super sports. Followed by the R6. No 600 class can too the 07-08 CBR.
New bikes 600cc and below have had the soul taken away. They are dull now, very little character. Inline 4 cylinder bikes with 4 carburettors and gear driven cams etc were so much more inspiring. Even the 600's of the 2000's were insanely fast on twisty roads. I think it comes down to if you can properly use what you ride. Unless you're doing track days you can use these bikes properly on the road due to eventual consequences (police, crashing).
Dude who gonna buy r6 when u can buy r1 only 5k 6k diffrent
5 or 6 thousand isn't an amount to scoff at. Especially when it could alternatively be spent on gear or an after market exhaust.
because 1k bikes are too fast
Cause idiots think they need 1000cc bikes,99.99999999% cannot control 600 and are future organ donors on 1000cc bikes. But hey they have tons of power, they can never hope to use. Lol
Why do you talk like that?
you shared nicredible picture~ MisterShifter~=)
Thanks man!