Thanks for the video Hero and I do remember your 600 one. As an ex Australian Superbike racer (who spent time racing in the Supersports category- 600 cc) and then stepping up a category I need to say that only 0.0000001% of all motorbike license holders around the world could only possibly get the most out of a 1000 cc bike on the track let alone on the streets. They have gone well above what any mortal could ride to the limits on, keep their license and more importantly life. Their is a reason why they don’t sell well anymore as most people are going for a more useable package.
The thing is , 99% of people won't even touch the limit of a 300-500cc bike on a track. People that "outgrow" bikes, just want more power readily available or more power in the straights, where 95% of riding actually takes place..
@@manbiteslife3110 A racetrack is a circuit with numerous corners. Where on god’s Earth did you get the number of 95% is straights??? To put this into perspective, a racetrack I know very well as it was my hone track and arguably the best on tour being Phillip Island. It’s total distance from memory is 4.71 kilometres per lap. It has one of the fastest straights where MotiGP and WSB bikes peak at 320+ kph on Gardner straight, which is comparatively long only measures 800 metres in length. You will also find the very experienced riders loving the opportunity to ride smaller displacement bikes on track. As it’s your entrance, corner and exit speeds that make the most difference. Anyone can go quickly in a straight line.
Faster overtakes, better electronics, look cooler, more power means happier ego, faster overtakes, less stressed on highway cruising, occasional pulling the throttle to become happy, faster overtakes, carry a passenger and luggage easily with little difference to performance and did I forget to mention faster, cleaner and safer overtakes? I don't even look at a bike unless it's a 1000. You can buy what you want but people that love massive power and massive engines have good reasons for doing so.
You know what? I always said why the hell would they make both headlights different from each other, but the more I see these bikes it's really starting to grow on me. I now absolutely love the crazy eyes of the older S 1k's. Hopefully one day I will own one.
BMW did that to save weight on the track. But I never understood why the offset headlights got so much hate. I love how unique it looks and you can tell right away it's an S1k. Now it's just another motorcycle. Still good looking though.. Also hope to get one. One day we'll get ours bro lol.
The next level of learning is that you don't need anything over 60-70 HP for the street or even for the track... After a few bigger, more powerful bikes, my current ride is 340lbs wet 74 HP supermoto as a daily commuter and track bike. Never been happier.
@@deangruwell6555 a klx250 can outrun cops. A grom can outrun cops. You must be slow to think that's any kind of rebuttal little feller. Oh and it's you're*. You must be new to English.
No, not next level anything, in fact its backwards mentality. Sure if your happy with your small bore on the street fine. But riding big city, multi lane, heavy traffic with average car speeds at 70 or better? The big bores decimate the small bores, just on the safety and riding longevity issues alone. In these conditions, more torque and power is never to much. The ability to get up and walk away from sketchy situations just before they happen by just whacking the throttle has saved my ass so many times. I rolled the small bore before the big bores on the street, and it was a track modded R6 for Road Atlanta to boot, once I test rode the Suzuki K5, in 05 it was just flat out over for any 600 on the street. I knew what it was bringing to the table for safety over that R6. Especially knowing what modding that K5 would add. Track bike? different story for small bores completely.
I have a 2016 cbr600rr. When I bought it I was also considering a 2015 blade. Got to say some people are just 600cc guys. Test rode both and put my money on the 6 because of the feeling it gave me. Took me right back to my old 250 2ts. For a weekend and track toy a screaming peaky 600 just makes you feel like a racer.
I rode 600/750cc for over 18 years, I decided to buy a 2010 Aprilia RSV4 and enjoyed it for 3 years, it was a beast but over kill for the mountains of WV/PA. I ended up going back to a 08 600RR, so much better for the turns. Love the Honda RR.
Small tip for Ninja 400 - if you go for used, 2018-2019 models had issues with front ABS wiring. As I saw on Ninja 400 forum many were recalled to dealerships for main harness replacement, some users had luck and defect was close to connector between main harness and wire running on the fork to front ABS sensor. I had bad luck and got this issue somewhere deeper in main harness. I'm only not sure if I want to take on the replacement on my own or leave it to the dealership as warranty is over in my case. BTW, because of you I fell in love with 2006-2013 VFR800 and can't wait to see one in my garage.
RC51 is the perfect sweet spot. The lower redline and gearing makes it viable to wring it out in the first few gears, but still good torque where you can have fun while taking it easier!
@@4stroke-r6 The RC 51 is 490lbs wet. It's heavy and it will wear you out on bumpy goaty roads. Amazing for fast sweepers and pretty comfortable for longer destination rides. No fuel gauge (except an near empty warning) and they get hot.
Older guy here @ 53 .. I’ve have both the 600 and the 1000 for years ( and a gold wing .. ha ) .. I totally agree .. the 600 is a better dance partner .. it’s better on city / country roads - it’s better for canyon carving .. the 1000 dominates in getting to your speed quicker & that’s where it ends .. it’s all ego .. I get 186 mph on my liter and 155 mph on my 600 .. 30mph difference.. but when your hitting those top speeds .. does it even matter .. you will rarely do it anyways !! The 600 Is cheaper insurance .. 1000 has a smaller window for error . For the ego guys who say a 600 can’t keep up .. total b.s … cops usually weed those guys out pretty quick .. take my word for it and hero’s .. 600 is a better dance partner.. it’s easier to flick around , you’ll be more comfortable dropping knees & elbows .. trust me that 40 pounds makes a difference .. more so for new riders .. on a 600 you’ll feel more in control , you’ll dominate it better .. and that’s where the fun is and that’s why we ride P.s .. 600 you get to drop a gear or 2 to really grind it .. that’s the beauty of it all .. WORK IT .. dominate it .
Yes! You get it. Honestly if I had one of those i4 250's from the 90's (CBR250RR, ZX2R, etc.) I would most likely have the most fun on that. I just love revving to the moon.. so much fun!
Funny, I’ve been riding 24 years, and I’ve owned all sorts of bikes. I’m currently on a 2018 GSX-R 1000r, and the bike before this was an RSV4. With all these bikes, I’ve come to realize that I’ll NEVER use everything these bikes have to offer. As much as I love my 1000R and the Aprilia, they’re both overkill. The most fun I’ve had was initially on my 1982 Honda CB 750, and on my ‘16 GSX-R750. I really think I’m going to move to a Tuono, or a R NineT. More fun, and way more comfortable.
I had the cb750 nighthawk 1990 it was the best bike I ever owned. Now on a vfr800 just pointless bags of power, I also came from riding 1k gsxrs ect and its absolutely pointless, you don't get to use the power at all especially on british roads
@@RideToLive102 yup, I agree. I’m in New York, which makes all that power probably even more pointless than having it on UK roads. VFR is a great bike, tons of fun and way more comfortable than any sport bike. A buddy of mine has one, and he refuses to part ways with it for that reason.
I own a 2017 S1000RR premium package and I love it. The thing is just flat out wicked. Nothing else to say really... I also have a 021 Yamaha MT09SP. Both bikes are special to me and a heck of a lot of fun. I bought the MT09 simply for the noise it makes. One of the best sounding engines in the world to me (with the Akrapovic exhaust of course) It's also pretty damn fun to ride. Be safe. Good videos!
its never really about need but rather want , i for one love 1000cc's due to the lack of effort needed to effectively float around the place in day to day use , especially in the case of more street tuned machines like naked's where the smooth and punchy nature makes them excellent commuters and general purpose road bikes.
I had a '17 ZX-6R until the beginning of this season when I had to sell it. Tried an S1000RR a couple of years ago, had an absolute blast and I'm really happy I got this opportunity. But for weekend rides on fun roads, I'd have chosen the 6R pretty much any day.
@@DB-sd3cw lol I couldn't even afford the 600 (in Quebec it costs over 2k $/year just to licence any supersport), I had to sell it at the start of the riding season. Really tough decision to make. I'll ride any bike I get the chance to try out, and I couldn't care less what you believe, but when I get back to it I'll choose a 600 over a 1000 even if I had the means to get the latter.
@@DB-sd3cw been riding 7 years. Wrecked my zx6r at the track. Got the 2nd gen r3 because 5 grand why not? Polished the crap out of that turd with mods to suit my riding style. It's wild when I pass 600s and liter bikes in the twisties. But gapped on the straights lol. Having a blast for reals. I have a liter bike, sm, and dirt bikes as well.
I'm glad you are taking up tracking. I have my 954 as a daily and a R6 for track. I should have started on a r3 or ninja 400 on the track but I'm an idiot. Started off on a FZ-07 on the street and should have tracked my first year. Wasted countless hours and miles on the street trying to figure out to ride properly. I Should of went to the track and learned that shit in one day. Keep it up brother. I'll never give up my CBR954 though. If I have money I would have gotten a RC51 too myself. Maybe I should start a UA-cam channel too? Lol
I recognize what you are saying. I own a VFR1200F now for more than 1 year and the looks of the bike got me hooked. ECU was flashed to get rid of the jerkish handling at low revs, removing limiters but this bike is so powerful, I can do with 50%. Don't get me wrong, I like the fact that this bike can do it, but if there was a 600 with the same looks and setup, I would be happy with it as well. Enjoy your beautiful bikes, drive safe and I hope to see some more footage of your Honda MB :)
I love you brother! I tell everyone never get a 600 unless you're stunting! always a 1,000! I have an 03 954 in mint condition with 9,000 miles on it and I love that thing!
I agree with you on NOT getting rid of a bike you have to acquire another one. I started riding many years ago and the last bike I owned before taking a break was an 84' Honda VF750F Interceptor. Loved it and it was the thing at the time. Fast forward to 2019...I'm getting back into riding and looking around to see if any of those old girls were still around. I found an 84 VF700F in decent condition. Identical to what I owned in the late 80's early 90's as a Marine; just in 700. I had to have it. (Wife's eyes rolling). My son and I did a lot of refurbishing to correct old wiring issues and I had the machine completely gone over and inspected. A year later I found what I really wanted. A 2013 Honda VFR1200F. I could not bring myself to sell the 84'. Too much time, money and nostalgia to let it go. The difference for me is the technology. It's like Apollo 11 compared to Space X. The tech in braking, ABS, traction control, fuel injection etc. and difference in horse power is ridiculous. The old Interceptor pushed liked 80ish horse power, the 2013- VFR 170 HP. It's madness. Do I need all that? No, but it's nice to know it's there and the torque is insane. You live once brother...enjoy your toys! Ride safe!
I saw your last video and it made so much sense to me. My dream bike, the bike I had my eyes on for years was the Triumph Daytona 675 SE. When I finally bought it people asked why didn't you get a 1000? My response is always 'Because I WANTED the Daytona 675, it's sexy, and has enough power for me'. I'm never going to sell it. However, if I came into some money and could afford an MV Agusta F4, then I'd get that too 😆
if you want the mv Agusta you might as well just buy a giant pile of poop and flush a few hundred down the toilet every few weeks since you'll be doing the same thing anyways
I have an 07 cbr600rr and it’s the love of my life haha I’m thinking about getting a second bike but instead of bumping up to a liter bike, I’ll probably get an mt07 or something similar.
It's more fun to ride a slower bike fast than a faster bike slow. That's why I love my 2014 ZX6R 636. I too can't get rid of it. I have so much money in it also lol and it's just such a good bike. More midrange and bottom end than all other 600's.
Owning a liter bike is OK here in Germany because I can use the potential of the motorbike on the autobahn. Still! there is no general speed limit here (although the green sect is in full favour). I think it's pointless to own a liter bike in a country where I can't exploit the potential of the motorcycle because of a general speed limit (e.g. USA). The exception is if you regularly ride this bike on the track.
I own a 2017 RC 390 and the bike has been faultless aside for a few ‘character’ issues that can be solved with basic maintenance. Stay away from the 2016 and prior models - those are the ones that have head gasket issues. I bought the bike for the exact same reason you want to - learn how to ride fast at the track. It's been the best decision I've made so far on my motorcycling journey.
Great video mate, no explanations or justification needed in my opinion. It is a nice bike, I am sure most people on your channel would love to own it. Enjoy and be safe.
The never ending "discussion" of liter bike vs a smaller bike..... 🤔 I understand and agree with many points that you and most other riders make about why a literbike is "too much bike" to ride on the street. I smile every time I see a video come up on this subject because I own my "dream bike" which is a 2018 ZX10R(and I would without hesitation own a newer one if I could afford it). I am a working man doing my best to financially survive and I can only afford one motorcycle. I am extremely jealous of all you people that have several bikes. I have had many, many people comment saying that I should "sell the ZX10R and get a smaller bike" and I then I would be happier, able to learn more/quicker, be less expensive, etc, etc, etc..... I very calmly refer them all back to the part where I wrote "I own my dream bike". If I had a different bike I would not be happy. Is my bike comfortable??? Absolutely not, I didn't buy it for that. I ride it back and forth to work, up into the mountains, around the lakes and I smile every single time I start it up and ride out of my driveway. I have owned it for 2 years and I enjoy it more now than I did when I first bought it. I recently started going to Track Days and learning how ride it the way it was meant to be ridden and I now, even more, appreciate what an amazing motorcycle it really is. Would I have fun and enjoy riding a mid size 600cc bike, of course I would. And if I was able to afford it I would own one, but I can't and I don't. Having strong self control helps keep me "out of trouble" although I do "let it off the leash" on the rare occasion and when I do it quickly reminds me how insanely powerful it is..... and it puts a big smile on my face. 😁 It really is a "personal thing". Everyone thinks different, likes different stuff, believes different things, rides different bikes..... ride the bike that makes you happy and be happy for other riders that ride the bike that makes them happy. 😉 Thanks for another great video. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experience with all these different motorcycles. Hope to see you out at New Hampshire Motor Speedway again sometime soon. I'm the "older and slow guy" on the silver ZX10R with a huge grin on my face having more fun than should be legal. Keep yourself safe! 😃👍❤🏍 Randy
I bought a hayabusa, still love the smaller bikes..and theres no rel reason to have anything over a 600, they have more than enough. however, if you slow ride a litre bike, they will last longer.
Don't stress HeroRR. You do what makes you happy. Those who carry on way too much about 1000cc bikes, while being derisive against anyone with a smaller bike, are in it for the wrong reasons and are probably too immature to ride that 1000cc bike in the first place. Rather if they cared more about people than their own ego they would instead apply some sensible caution about owning one.
I enjoy unique bikes also. I own a Super Duke and a MV AGusta Dragster 800rr Pirelli edition. I love V2’s and triples. Almost bought a Hp4 but my back can not take it. Your Hp 4 is a keeper.
Not sure if you'd class a MT-10 as a S/S but I'm really enjoying my '22 as a supplement to me DRZ400E Sumo. I'd say the DRZ is technically a better daily rider but its very busy to ride with its ~45hp and short gearing. The MT-10 is much more relaxed but also much much more ferocious. Im considering getting into casual track days but I'll start the Sumo first to learn the ropes and also not care as much if I come off.
Just thought id add some heavily slept on food for thought... Im 6'2, 220lbs. I fit better on bigger bikes. And I feel more comfortable on the highway with something heavier and stable. Thats all. Past Bikes: 02 ninja 250, 02 buell blast 500, 02 gsxr 1k, 06 cb600, 04 gsxr 750, 98 ducati m900, 09 R6s, 06 vrod vrsc street rod
It's just much more fun to sit on lighter gnarly bike which you can push to its limits, than twisting a tenth of your literbike throttle and never reving high.
in my opinion the only difference is that liter bikes do wheelies unintentionally. anything else requires a clutch up. thats why some racers prefer 750s
My tuned 750 is perfect, rockets u out of corners with a 3/4 throttle pull with a very predictable power band so if your familiar with your tires you know exactly when you lose traction and how much traction you have at whatever throttle input/ lean angle
I got my 954RR because of you and I would never ever sell it. Shortly after I got my hands on a S1000RR for just 2.000€ because it had an electronic problem (solved in 5 minutes for 0.50€). Then I got a R1 but sold it quite fast because I don't like the sound of it. My only 600 is a Honda and I have to say that it is very slow compared to the 1000s. Here in germany we have the chance to drive them to their limits legaly and in that case it makes sense to get a 1000cc. Do I NEED 1000cc? Well... yes and no. My drivestyle is very aggressive and when overtaking the 1kcc gives a huge plus! If I would stick to most of the speed limits, then it would not be necessary. But hey, anyway it is more fun and so why not? Better have and not need than need and not have :D You made me buy my first 900 so no excuses ;D (And god I thank you everyday for this!)
I love asymmetrical headlights Italian designs also show asymmetry. Look at a Lambo with one rear intake on one side and not the other. Unique and exclusive
While I agree with what you’re saying a few of your points are relating to “flicability” and modern 1000s including the one you’re on weighs the same as your cbr600 or there amounts and turn just as easy
To me the problem with 600cc supersports is that they have no power low whatsoever (which is what you usually need for daily riding), I much rather have a bigger engine with less top end power (somehing like a BMW F900 or Ducati Supersport), I find it more usable than a 600 which you have to really push the engine to get some power
“Usually need for daily riding” Nope, a 600 supersport is beyond what needed for daily riding. A 300 is perfect or a naked bike. “Less top end power” They don’t have less top end power, in fact the power band is built the same as a 600. Most of the power comes alive in the upper RPMs. Neither engine is geared for the low end power you’re talking. They have more low end power than a 600 because it’s a bigger engine. But if it’s reasonably useful daily riding power you want to try the r7, fz07, fz09 I’m convinced you’ve ridden neither a 6 or 1k.
If low end power is the only benefit to a 1k in your mind then I’d have to agree with Glenn here (although I’ll be a lot nicer about it). An fz09 has more low end grunt than any i4 super bike.
@@xiborgh z900 is a naked bike. He compared fz with superbikes. Not naked bikes. Of course z900 has a lot more torque than the fz but you are comparing it to another naked bike that is fz. If he said fz has more torque than any naked or superbikes then your comment would have made sense. Try reading the comment and understand what people are trying to say before you comment. Come on man..
I know a bunch of 1000cc riders. They get killed by ninja 400 on the Twisties. They are just compensating for lack of riding skills with more horsepower.
I realize this video is more for those who maybe can’t choose between a 600 and 1000. But lets also be honest, people keep saying we don’t need a 1000, well we don’t need a 600 either. Most of us in the US already have a car as our primary commute, so we don’t need a bike at all, it’s a luxury asset. And why do we choose a 600 over 400, because you can barely use all the power on a 600 too unless on an open hwy. We ride our ride because it’s what we like. Get what you can handle and enjoy. For liter bikes, there’s also something about having lots of power but keeping the beast tamed on the road. We don’t need sports bikes but we got them to enjoy on the road regardless of the power.
No, im 6'4" and 249lbs. I understand why you like the 650 area of bike. I have a 77 kz 650 and it's kind of campy to ride. That being said the 140lbs of torque on my 14 is god like....
Besides who has an extra thirty grand to dump on a unbelievably painful maintenance bike to own and ride when they're bikes with a tweek that become much more thrilling.
I like all that power and grunt. Truth is all you need is a scooter to ride, so it's all relative to what you want. I personally never gave a crap what others thought.
Started on a ZX-6R and it was the best starter bike IMO. Plenty of power, kept it in rain mode for the first few months while I got used to it. Now own an HP4 aswell and i can't really pick between the two as the ZX6R had plenty of HP for the street and was a little better around town. Can't beat the HP4 in the canyons or on a long straight though. The sheer acceleration is worth the upgrade.
I think the biggest reason one should upgrade is for some of that premium feel you get from the manufacturer's "halo" bikes. It's a little different nowadays with Kawasaki's H2, or the ducati V4R since those aren't attainable for most people but something like an HP4 brings that premium and top shelf feel that you may enjoy better then a 600
I got the CBR600RR as a first track bike. The problem with slower bikes is that the guys with faster bikes pass you on the straights but hold you up in the corners. Even with the 600 i find it verry hard to pass literbikes that ar just a bit slower than me.
Hi, does that bother you to be passed on the straights? The best thing to do on track days is to find a clear spot on the track so you can ride without having to worry with track rossi's. Track Rossi's are very dangerous and do not have good common since; they will ride way over their heads and crash very expensive bikes for no good reason, and do not mind taking you out in the process. I love track days and ride the track myself but I always keep in mind that track days are for "GOOD TIMES" not lap times. Be safe out there because no one is watching you.
I just bought my very first bike in may gsxr 600 and I will say I sure as hell don’t need to go higher in performance bike! I absolutely love my bike and just want to make it faster as well as myself faster on it. I would much rather spend the money to make my 600 a faster bike rather than buy a 1000cc…I know damn well ima die on a 1000! For me I would rather build my bike customize my bike and set a goal to be the fastest 600 running the streets. Everything about my bike is beautiful to me.
I got my first ancient sport bike after riding my 500cc, and 1100cc air cooled v-twins in standard chassis. She's portly at 550lbs with 150hp and 80ftlbs. I treat her more like a sport touring bike with lower rear sets and maybe soon higher clip ons/handlebar. I just got that bike since I like the old school dual round headlights and carb'ed i-4 sound. Way too much power for me to use all of it. Even on long sweepers I just don't like going that fast on the street. The 1100cc v-twin was maybe more fun, and that thing only had 80hp and 60ftlbs with short gears. We all want something different and learn what's good for us in each situation. I ride my vintage 80's bikes the most anyways.....
My coworker had an 06 CBR 600rr with the Gas Gas Repsol livery and Termignoni full exhaust which I watched him install at work one night. The night he sold it I never saw him so like sad. I mean he was down from having sold his bike. They ended up getting an S1000rr though, maybe just like yours a 2014. Then they traded up to an HP4 a couple years later. Still got my 2013 Yamaha Stryker 😊. Ride safe and be cool brother
I spend a lot of time on the track. No one ever can outride a 1000 unless you're a professional rider. They are fast don't get me wrong, but at entry level track riding, a skilled rider on a 400 will out ride a entry level rider on a 1000 any day.
I don't have too much experience on bikes nor the fastest but I find having a 1000 just makes getting around so much easier with the lower end torque. Just coz you have a 1000 litre it does not mean you have to go faster when you're out, you ride to your level so whether its on a 600 or 250, you're still going to be around the same pace on a mountain range. Having the lower end of a litre bike just makes travelling easier coz when you're out riding its atleast half a day and most time you're on the highway. But in saying this best to start small first before upgrading to something bigger.
You explained that well. The HP number of the bike doesn't change how fast I ride. You also couldn't get the nice to have features(electronic suspension, brakes, traction control, IMU) without a 1000cc engine until very recently with the RS660.
It does make it easier, and is my favorite thing about the 1000. You can be lazy and have power right at the bottom... but as great of a pro that is when you're casually riding, it quickly becomes a con when you want to ride more aggressive. The power is so crazy the fun ends too quick! It's like as soon as you open the throttle within 3-5 seconds you're already going way too fast. Vs a 600 you can play with the power band and really enjoy running it through the rev range. It's personal preference really but I almost never find that my 600 is too slow for the street unless i'm trying to pace myself against liter bikes.
That is true about the 1000 bikes when you want to push a little harder it does scare me a little, especially when its corner after corner and you gotta slow down a lot. I got nothing against smaller cc bikes, the most fun I ever had and probably the best I ever ridden was on a honda 250cc inline 4.
Just how much freaking torque do you need? Namely even small learner bikes are going to take off faster than most cars around you. Just admit you want something quick and move on. Trying to justify it with contrived excuses is just lame.
You could only make this statement sort of true with newer bikes any 1000 with no electronics is not friendly on the throttle for beginners, there will come a time where u give it a squirt too much around a bend and you will up on the ground
you're not a poser. you own the bike and u ride it. thats what matter. you cant go to the limit? who cares. you own the bike you can do what ever the hell u want with it. u like it you love it. thats what matter. its special
Out of all the new 600cc I'm thinking of 636 I wan a bang through all the gears. I'm really thinking long and hard between the 636 and the GSXR 750. I laugh when I hear people on liter Bikes say they want one so they don't have to shift as much. I'm thinking myself. Isn't the whole point being on a bike so you can go through the gears If you're only going to want to shift one or two gears? Isn't that just being lazy? I really enjoy my ninja 650 I love being able to go through all the gears downshift reving that thing out. I rev the piss out of that bike. That's why I'm thinking long and hard on my next bike so I can have the same amount of fun that I have on my Ninja 650. I want to rev. The piss out of it If I'm only shifting one or two gears, what fun is that. What are your thoughts? Is a 750 too much for the street or would I have funner times on a 636? That's what I love about your channel. You're not just going after 1000cc bike just to say you have a liter bike but you're looking at it from a practical standpoint. I want to be able to enjoy every ounce out of that bike that I can get. Love hearing the top end screaming and then downshifting the gear to get more torque to me. That's fun! It's all about that. So 636 or Gixxer 750? Or give me another option that has the most torque out of the 600 class. Thanks!
I bought a CB650R 3 weeks ago and honestly I don't see how I would use much more power then that on the street. At low speed I'm limited by traction and the front wheel wants to come off the ground. I guess a 1000 would punch much harder pass 70 MPH but I already get to that speed in second gear on my CB. Depending how fast you feel comfortable going on the street anything over 100 HP might be useless. I like going full throttle on my bike and I feel like I can do that quite a bit with my CB650R, I don't think I could very much on a 1000. I love accelerating to 100MPH fast, I don't like going faster then that so these big bikes are not for me at all.
Alot of the reasons you explained are the reason why i got my 2016 MV Agusta F4. Ive had a 08 R6 & a 12 R1, great bikes. But i got my F4 cause on how rare & exotic the F4 are. & even more rare since they were discontinued in 2019. So i love Exotic/Special bikes aswell. & i am not ever selling my F4, i dont track it or anything, i just make videos on it & enjoy the bike.
I swear that F4 is one of the most beautiful looking bikes out there, even though the headlight is singular the lines on it are just so clean and that SSA *drool*
@@HeroRR haha, yea man, its a great bike. Older models(early 2000s) have had there issues but once you get them fixed or upgraded, they are amazing bikes that are reliable bikes. Can be expensive to maintain if you dont work on it yourself but its worth it. Enjoy that BMW, i love the 2019 black model of the bmw s1000rr before they changed to the new look. I love the different headlights.
I’m fine with my k7-600(520 chain conversion, -1/+2 sprocket change, QS, ecu flash. if I need more power I’ll just do the 750 swap since it’s the same chassis.
A liter sport bike is just so... Situational. I think i'd get one just for group meets or short group rides. But I won't practice on one on the tracks just yet.
I know EVERYONE says it but I'm telling, getting the size up matters. Well, it matters to you if you are like me and weigh 350. Yeah, fat guy on a superbike (Farley tune). I have the MT07 that is hopped up to 93hp and it is fast and strong but I still wring it out too fast and too quick. I'll be in the 900s minimum on the next purchase. Other than that, I agree throroughly.
I almost always go for liter bikes or bigger. I currently own a BMW R1100RT, but I had just as much or more fun on the smaller bikes that I've owned... I currently have a Kawa 351 dual sport, and I ride that bike a whole lot more and enjoy it more than the BMW. The Beemer is fantastic on the twisties and long range cruising, but the Dual sport is a whole lot better for short trips - much lighter, easy to thrown around, and there is the off road option. :) :) :) For those who don't know the 351 is a 250 cc that has a big bore kit - 351 power with a 250 frame! OMG that bike is a rocket up to just over 100mph...
On the street? Heavy multi lane, or big city traffic? Big bore liter bikes destroy small bore bikes, mostly for safety reasons alone. Torque and power are important for getting out of the many sticky situations you will constantly be in. I have rode the 600 on the street, hell even a track only modded 600, even closer to a big bore. On the street? once you go big bore you don't go back, and this is talking about regular riding, not testing your buddies big bore for a day, that means squat. Means far less for small town back road putters tho.
Get the sv650 !!! For sure!! For track bike ! It will run forever I have an sv1000 I love it but the sv650 is more flickable but I love your video yea I want a second bike a small one like duke 390 just to mess around on because you really can’t be messing around on a 1000
If you get a sv for the track. Get a gen 2, look for a 03 as they use gen 1 and gen 2 parts. Gen 1 sucks because parts are starting to diminish and 3rd gens are too bulky. 2 gen is the way to go
Idk Danny, I typically agree with you on most things, but this I'm not sure about. I used to have a 600rr like yours. Same generation, mine was a 2011. I'd take my s1k over it every single time because, three words, "electronic cruise control." Possibly the best thing ever fitted to a modern liter bike lol. Oh and the autoblipper for downshifts is pretty sweet too. For me, the 600 had zero balls down low. Actually, owning the 600rr, the rc51, and the s1k at the same time was what led me to get rid of the 600. It just became irrelevant. My experience was that it handled no better or worse than the s1k and if I wanted to ride an awesome analog bike then, boom, rc51, job done. At speed the rc felt like a featherweight compared to the 600.
"At speed rc felt like a featherweight compared to the 600" You must be joking or you never ridden 600 or RC51. Also any 1,000 superbike will never handle like 600 supersport period.
Motodynamic! They're awesome! I made a video on them on my channel here's the link to buy them: www.motodynamic.com/2007-2012-honda-cbr600rr-full-led-projection-head-light-with-drl.html
I have a 1999 ZX9R and i dol love ZX10R's and R1's etc but i would love a 2013-2018 636! The only reason i have the 9 over a 6 is because of the price, i can ride my favourite roads far quicker on my friends 6 than my 9 or my friends 10 cuz it's still 160+mph but it is more agile and brakes quicker as it weighs less
Good comparison. I’ve been on the fence for a while now. I agree with the 1000 having the low end torque…. And the 600 would be fun also. But I want the bells and whistles, and it seems like the 1000’s have it. Yes some of the 600’s do too, but that’s something damn near brand new and will be $$$…..Some of the cheaper ,older 1000’s have the bells and the tech. So I might have to choose the 1000…..
Most of the bells and whistles of a 1k are really not necessary though. Sure they’re nice to have. But on a smaller bike all the rider aids matter a whole lot less.
@@HeroRR The thing is , 99% of people won't even touch the limit of a 300-500cc bike on a track. People that "outgrow" bikes, just want more power readily available or more power in the straights, where 95% of riding actually takes place.. Plus you can ride the 1000cc in C mode/ rain mode etc, and feel like a 600cc with better components.
I went from a 1000cc superhawk to an 800cc Ducati monster. I only regret it on the highway.... COME TO EUROPEAN MOTORCYCLE DAY AT LARS ANDERSON THIS YEAR......please
The bmw is about 40ish pounds heavier than the cbr600rr. Is that weight noticeable?? I’m looking at an 07 cbr1000 but it’s like 455 wet, and I’m wondering if the weight would be terrible for track and twisties.
I agree. I have the same model vfr800 as you and im getting to the point where i feel even that is too much for the street. Maybe is just my lead wrist
I think there are a lot of feelings you have for the 600. It's not a fair comparison. I have a 2001 R1 that I would never sell. I'm thinking about buying a 2009 for the cross plane, but then having 2 R1's in excessive, Right ??? maybe an 2008 R6... I bought an R3 for the track and I hate it. I've been spoiled by the R1's power and I'm use to how I fit on the bike. Ahhh First world problems lol...
Yeah haha, but even taking my CBR out of the equation... I rode a ZX6R last year and I honestly had so much fun on it I almost wanted to pick one up. I was revving it all up and down the range and it was just so playful and fun.
Some people are lucky enough to live in a place where a 1000 is useless and I envy them. All the roads around here you have to ride a 200hp bike so you can go fast enough to lean the bike over farther than the kickstand around these "curves"
I have a ‘00 VFR800fi. I’ve ridden a CBR1000 from 06, and it doesn’t have anywhere near the torque of that bike down low, but it’s got more low end than a 600. I feel like it’s the perfect balance between the 600s and 1000s. I am interested in so many different bikes but I don’t think I can ever sell it. It’s so perfect. Only 11k miles on it too, so it’ll last forever.
No worries, you only live once! Do we really need anything more than a 300cc, everything beyond is overkill, but would a 300cc wake the passion within! I don't need a 1000cc, but I would love to have one and I'm considering it, but would it make sense, no not one bit!
Thanks for the video Hero and I do remember your 600 one. As an ex Australian Superbike racer (who spent time racing in the Supersports category- 600 cc) and then stepping up a category I need to say that only 0.0000001% of all motorbike license holders around the world could only possibly get the most out of a 1000 cc bike on the track let alone on the streets. They have gone well above what any mortal could ride to the limits on, keep their license and more importantly life. Their is a reason why they don’t sell well anymore as most people are going for a more useable package.
@kawasaki_kid Yes you are, in video games.
The thing is , 99% of people won't even touch the limit of a 300-500cc bike on a track. People that "outgrow" bikes, just want more power readily available or more power in the straights, where 95% of riding actually takes place..
@@manbiteslife3110 A racetrack is a circuit with numerous corners. Where on god’s Earth did you get the number of 95% is straights??? To put this into perspective, a racetrack I know very well as it was my hone track and arguably the best on tour being Phillip Island. It’s total distance from memory is 4.71 kilometres per lap. It has one of the fastest straights where MotiGP and WSB bikes peak at 320+ kph on Gardner straight, which is comparatively long only measures 800 metres in length. You will also find the very experienced riders loving the opportunity to ride smaller displacement bikes on track. As it’s your entrance, corner and exit speeds that make the most difference. Anyone can go quickly in a straight line.
@@marcusgeorge1825 99% of people that ride motorcycles never go to tracks. So the 95% use is in straights. Sorry if it was confusing.
Faster overtakes, better electronics, look cooler, more power means happier ego, faster overtakes, less stressed on highway cruising, occasional pulling the throttle to become happy, faster overtakes, carry a passenger and luggage easily with little difference to performance and did I forget to mention faster, cleaner and safer overtakes?
I don't even look at a bike unless it's a 1000. You can buy what you want but people that love massive power and massive engines have good reasons for doing so.
You know what? I always said why the hell would they make both headlights different from each other, but the more I see these bikes it's really starting to grow on me. I now absolutely love the crazy eyes of the older S 1k's. Hopefully one day I will own one.
The 2010-2014 versions pushed out the most power at the rear wheel just a heads up!
BMW did that to save weight on the track. But I never understood why the offset headlights got so much hate. I love how unique it looks and you can tell right away it's an S1k. Now it's just another motorcycle. Still good looking though.. Also hope to get one. One day we'll get ours bro lol.
The next level of learning is that you don't need anything over 60-70 HP for the street or even for the track... After a few bigger, more powerful bikes, my current ride is 340lbs wet 74 HP supermoto as a daily commuter and track bike. Never been happier.
70hp is slow and boring little feller. get real
@@DB-sd3cw I’ve out ran cops on my 550 night Hawk .. guess the h.p .. your obviously a new rider
@@deangruwell6555 a klx250 can outrun cops. A grom can outrun cops. You must be slow to think that's any kind of rebuttal little feller. Oh and it's you're*. You must be new to English.
Hope your right. I have a Honda 929 but thinking I might also want an older Suzuki sv650.
No, not next level anything, in fact its backwards mentality. Sure if your happy with your small bore on the street fine. But riding big city, multi lane, heavy traffic with average car speeds at 70 or better? The big bores decimate the small bores, just on the safety and riding longevity issues alone. In these conditions, more torque and power is never to much. The ability to get up and walk away from sketchy situations just before they happen by just whacking the throttle has saved my ass so many times. I rolled the small bore before the big bores on the street, and it was a track modded R6 for Road Atlanta to boot, once I test rode the Suzuki K5, in 05 it was just flat out over for any 600 on the street. I knew what it was bringing to the table for safety over that R6. Especially knowing what modding that K5 would add. Track bike? different story for small bores completely.
I have a 2016 cbr600rr. When I bought it I was also considering a 2015 blade. Got to say some people are just 600cc guys. Test rode both and put my money on the 6 because of the feeling it gave me. Took me right back to my old 250 2ts. For a weekend and track toy a screaming peaky 600 just makes you feel like a racer.
I rode 600/750cc for over 18 years, I decided to buy a 2010 Aprilia RSV4 and enjoyed it for 3 years, it was a beast but over kill for the mountains of WV/PA. I ended up going back to a 08 600RR, so much better for the turns. Love the Honda RR.
just got my 1000rr a few days back and its so smooth
can't beat a Honda cbr600rr... they're just such sweet little bikes in every way!
Small tip for Ninja 400 - if you go for used, 2018-2019 models had issues with front ABS wiring. As I saw on Ninja 400 forum many were recalled to dealerships for main harness replacement, some users had luck and defect was close to connector between main harness and wire running on the fork to front ABS sensor.
I had bad luck and got this issue somewhere deeper in main harness. I'm only not sure if I want to take on the replacement on my own or leave it to the dealership as warranty is over in my case.
BTW, because of you I fell in love with 2006-2013 VFR800 and can't wait to see one in my garage.
RC51 is the perfect sweet spot.
The lower redline and gearing makes it viable to wring it out in the first few gears, but still good torque where you can have fun while taking it easier!
I gotta try a RC51. I have a 954 and want to tour more with it. But I think the RC51 would be much better suited. Right?
@@4stroke-r6 nooo!!! the rc51 the chassis is way more race oriented
@@4stroke-r6 The RC 51 is 490lbs wet. It's heavy and it will wear you out on bumpy goaty roads. Amazing for fast sweepers and pretty comfortable for longer destination rides. No fuel gauge (except an near empty warning) and they get hot.
@@4stroke-r6 RC51 is not good for long trips haha
There’s one in San Diego at onyx moto for 9k with low mileage (thank me later)
Older guy here @ 53 .. I’ve have both the 600 and the 1000 for years ( and a gold wing .. ha ) .. I totally agree .. the 600 is a better dance partner .. it’s better on city / country roads - it’s better for canyon carving .. the 1000 dominates in getting to your speed quicker & that’s where it ends .. it’s all ego .. I get 186 mph on my liter and 155 mph on my 600 .. 30mph difference.. but when your hitting those top speeds .. does it even matter .. you will rarely do it anyways !!
The 600 Is cheaper insurance .. 1000 has a smaller window for error . For the ego guys who say a 600 can’t keep up .. total b.s … cops usually weed those guys out pretty quick .. take my word for it and hero’s .. 600 is a better dance partner.. it’s easier to flick around , you’ll be more comfortable dropping knees & elbows .. trust me that 40 pounds makes a difference .. more so for new riders .. on a 600 you’ll feel more in control , you’ll dominate it better .. and that’s where the fun is and that’s why we ride
P.s .. 600 you get to drop a gear or 2 to really grind it .. that’s the beauty of it all .. WORK IT .. dominate it .
Yes! You get it. Honestly if I had one of those i4 250's from the 90's (CBR250RR, ZX2R, etc.) I would most likely have the most fun on that. I just love revving to the moon.. so much fun!
Funny, I’ve been riding 24 years, and I’ve owned all sorts of bikes. I’m currently on a 2018 GSX-R 1000r, and the bike before this was an RSV4. With all these bikes, I’ve come to realize that I’ll NEVER use everything these bikes have to offer. As much as I love my 1000R and the Aprilia, they’re both overkill. The most fun I’ve had was initially on my 1982 Honda CB 750, and on my ‘16 GSX-R750. I really think I’m going to move to a Tuono, or a R NineT. More fun, and way more comfortable.
I had the cb750 nighthawk 1990 it was the best bike I ever owned. Now on a vfr800 just pointless bags of power, I also came from riding 1k gsxrs ect and its absolutely pointless, you don't get to use the power at all especially on british roads
@@RideToLive102 yup, I agree. I’m in New York, which makes all that power probably even more pointless than having it on UK roads. VFR is a great bike, tons of fun and way more comfortable than any sport bike. A buddy of mine has one, and he refuses to part ways with it for that reason.
I own a 2017 S1000RR premium package and I love it. The thing is just flat out wicked. Nothing else to say really... I also have a 021 Yamaha MT09SP. Both bikes are special to me and a heck of a lot of fun. I bought the MT09 simply for the noise it makes. One of the best sounding engines in the world to me (with the Akrapovic exhaust of course) It's also pretty damn fun to ride. Be safe. Good videos!
its never really about need but rather want , i for one love 1000cc's due to the lack of effort needed to effectively float around the place in day to day use , especially in the case of more street tuned machines like naked's where the smooth and punchy nature makes them excellent commuters and general purpose road bikes.
With a big bore, big city traffic? Its all about the NEED
I had a '17 ZX-6R until the beginning of this season when I had to sell it. Tried an S1000RR a couple of years ago, had an absolute blast and I'm really happy I got this opportunity. But for weekend rides on fun roads, I'd have chosen the 6R pretty much any day.
just say you can't afford the s1k so you're trying to rationalize your decision to stick with a slow 600
I agree with you. I test rode the new zx6r and wow what an awesome bike to ride. Couldn’t stop smiling!
@@DB-sd3cw A 600 is not slow. And we don’t need a 1000CC to impress anyone. I bet you’re only used to going in a straight line.
@@DB-sd3cw lol I couldn't even afford the 600 (in Quebec it costs over 2k $/year just to licence any supersport), I had to sell it at the start of the riding season. Really tough decision to make. I'll ride any bike I get the chance to try out, and I couldn't care less what you believe, but when I get back to it I'll choose a 600 over a 1000 even if I had the means to get the latter.
@@DB-sd3cw been riding 7 years. Wrecked my zx6r at the track. Got the 2nd gen r3 because 5 grand why not? Polished the crap out of that turd with mods to suit my riding style. It's wild when I pass 600s and liter bikes in the twisties. But gapped on the straights lol. Having a blast for reals. I have a liter bike, sm, and dirt bikes as well.
I'm glad you are taking up tracking. I have my 954 as a daily and a R6 for track. I should have started on a r3 or ninja 400 on the track but I'm an idiot. Started off on a FZ-07 on the street and should have tracked my first year. Wasted countless hours and miles on the street trying to figure out to ride properly. I Should of went to the track and learned that shit in one day.
Keep it up brother. I'll never give up my CBR954 though. If I have money I would have gotten a RC51 too myself. Maybe I should start a UA-cam channel too? Lol
954rr is a beast gonna be starting my UA-cam channel soon too
Start the channel brother
@@sniper3007 what's it gonna be called. I'll subscribe
You were trying to use the street to learn how to ride at the track???
@@LowMax_ no he's saying he should've went to track first to learn how to ride the proper way
I recognize what you are saying. I own a VFR1200F now for more than 1 year and the looks of the bike got me hooked. ECU was flashed to get rid of the jerkish handling at low revs, removing limiters but this bike is so powerful, I can do with 50%. Don't get me wrong, I like the fact that this bike can do it, but if there was a 600 with the same looks and setup, I would be happy with it as well.
Enjoy your beautiful bikes, drive safe and I hope to see some more footage of your Honda MB :)
I love you brother! I tell everyone never get a 600 unless you're stunting! always a 1,000! I have an 03 954 in mint condition with 9,000 miles on it and I love that thing!
Wait til u ride a newer liter.....mind blowing difference
I agree with you on NOT getting rid of a bike you have to acquire another one. I started riding many years ago and the last bike I owned before taking a break was an 84' Honda VF750F Interceptor. Loved it and it was the thing at the time. Fast forward to 2019...I'm getting back into riding and looking around to see if any of those old girls were still around. I found an 84 VF700F in decent condition. Identical to what I owned in the late 80's early 90's as a Marine; just in 700. I had to have it. (Wife's eyes rolling). My son and I did a lot of refurbishing to correct old wiring issues and I had the machine completely gone over and inspected. A year later I found what I really wanted. A 2013 Honda VFR1200F. I could not bring myself to sell the 84'. Too much time, money and nostalgia to let it go. The difference for me is the technology. It's like Apollo 11 compared to Space X. The tech in braking, ABS, traction control, fuel injection etc. and difference in horse power is ridiculous. The old Interceptor pushed liked 80ish horse power, the 2013- VFR 170 HP. It's madness. Do I need all that? No, but it's nice to know it's there and the torque is insane. You live once brother...enjoy your toys! Ride safe!
Love the videos, I actually looked at gettin a cbr 600rr after seen your videos , but I actually ended up gettin a 954rr.. keep.up the good work
I saw your last video and it made so much sense to me. My dream bike, the bike I had my eyes on for years was the Triumph Daytona 675 SE. When I finally bought it people asked why didn't you get a 1000? My response is always 'Because I WANTED the Daytona 675, it's sexy, and has enough power for me'. I'm never going to sell it.
However, if I came into some money and could afford an MV Agusta F4, then I'd get that too 😆
if you want the mv Agusta you might as well just buy a giant pile of poop and flush a few hundred down the toilet every few weeks since you'll be doing the same thing anyways
It called a Danktona Sex75
@@DB-sd3cw I see now your the troll 🧌.. your the kid flipping through motorcycles magazines w/ lint in his pockets
I have an 07 cbr600rr and it’s the love of my life haha I’m thinking about getting a second bike but instead of bumping up to a liter bike, I’ll probably get an mt07 or something similar.
You don't need fun.
You don't need a girl.
You don't need a fast car.
You don't need a healthy lifestyle.
And you don't need a liter bike.
😂
Jesus loves you
thats his point. a 1000 is NOT fun on the road. Realistically, a 600/650/400 is best for the road and you can get closer to its limit.
It's more fun to ride a slower bike fast than a faster bike slow. That's why I love my 2014 ZX6R 636. I too can't get rid of it. I have so much money in it also lol and it's just such a good bike. More midrange and bottom end than all other 600's.
I love my Hondas
95 VFR,954,Superhawk 1000
Next bike is probably going to be a CB750 to turn into a little Cafe racer. Ride safe everyone ✌️
Owning a liter bike is OK here in Germany because I can use the potential of the motorbike on the autobahn. Still! there is no general speed limit here (although the green sect is in full favour). I think it's pointless to own a liter bike in a country where I can't exploit the potential of the motorcycle because of a general speed limit (e.g. USA). The exception is if you regularly ride this bike on the track.
Got me a 2002 Honda magna 750 and it's all the power i need :)
I own a 2017 RC 390 and the bike has been faultless aside for a few ‘character’ issues that can be solved with basic maintenance.
Stay away from the 2016 and prior models - those are the ones that have head gasket issues.
I bought the bike for the exact same reason you want to - learn how to ride fast at the track. It's been the best decision I've made so far on my motorcycling journey.
Least reliable POS out there. Everyone should steer clear of any bike with the garbage 390 engine.
@@DB-sd3cw have you ever owned one?
Nice bike. All bikes are great, gives you a sense of freedom.
Great video mate, no explanations or justification needed in my opinion.
It is a nice bike, I am sure most people on your channel would love to own it.
Enjoy and be safe.
I have 2018 cbr 600rr and 2021 r1. Love them both so much, 600 so flickable and easy to ride but the r1 can power wheelie
The never ending "discussion" of liter bike vs a smaller bike..... 🤔
I understand and agree with many points that you and most other riders make about
why a literbike is "too much bike" to ride on the street. I smile every time I see a video
come up on this subject because I own my "dream bike" which is a 2018 ZX10R(and I
would without hesitation own a newer one if I could afford it). I am a working man doing
my best to financially survive and I can only afford one motorcycle. I am extremely jealous
of all you people that have several bikes. I have had many, many people comment saying
that I should "sell the ZX10R and get a smaller bike" and I then I would be happier, able to
learn more/quicker, be less expensive, etc, etc, etc..... I very calmly refer them all back to
the part where I wrote "I own my dream bike". If I had a different bike I would not be happy.
Is my bike comfortable??? Absolutely not, I didn't buy it for that. I ride it back and forth to
work, up into the mountains, around the lakes and I smile every single time I start it up and
ride out of my driveway. I have owned it for 2 years and I enjoy it more now than I did when
I first bought it. I recently started going to Track Days and learning how ride it the way it was
meant to be ridden and I now, even more, appreciate what an amazing motorcycle it really is.
Would I have fun and enjoy riding a mid size 600cc bike, of course I would. And if I was able
to afford it I would own one, but I can't and I don't. Having strong self control helps keep me
"out of trouble" although I do "let it off the leash" on the rare occasion and when I do it quickly
reminds me how insanely powerful it is..... and it puts a big smile on my face. 😁 It really is a
"personal thing". Everyone thinks different, likes different stuff, believes different things, rides
different bikes..... ride the bike that makes you happy and be happy for other riders that ride
the bike that makes them happy. 😉
Thanks for another great video. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experience with
all these different motorcycles. Hope to see you out at New Hampshire Motor Speedway again
sometime soon. I'm the "older and slow guy" on the silver ZX10R with a huge grin on my face
having more fun than should be legal.
Keep yourself safe! 😃👍❤🏍
Randy
You can only ride one bike at a time anyway. As long as you have a bike then that’s all that matters. Thanks for the comment and stay safe!
@@HeroRR 😎👊
I may not NEED a 1000cc bike but sure as hell own one and there is nothing you could ever say that will wipe the grin from my face!😁
You should try a GSX-R 750.
Cheers.
I bought a hayabusa, still love the smaller bikes..and theres no rel reason to have anything over a 600, they have more than enough. however, if you slow ride a litre bike, they will last longer.
Don't stress HeroRR.
You do what makes you happy. Those who carry on way too much about 1000cc bikes, while being derisive against anyone with a smaller bike, are in it for the wrong reasons and are probably too immature to ride that 1000cc bike in the first place. Rather if they cared more about people than their own ego they would instead apply some sensible caution about owning one.
I enjoy unique bikes also. I own a Super Duke and a MV AGusta Dragster 800rr Pirelli edition. I love V2’s and triples. Almost bought a Hp4 but my back can not take it. Your Hp 4 is a keeper.
Not sure if you'd class a MT-10 as a S/S but I'm really enjoying my '22 as a supplement to me DRZ400E Sumo.
I'd say the DRZ is technically a better daily rider but its very busy to ride with its ~45hp and short gearing.
The MT-10 is much more relaxed but also much much more ferocious.
Im considering getting into casual track days but I'll start the Sumo first to learn the ropes and also not care as much if I come off.
Just thought id add some heavily slept on food for thought... Im 6'2, 220lbs. I fit better on bigger bikes. And I feel more comfortable on the highway with something heavier and stable. Thats all. Past Bikes: 02 ninja 250, 02 buell blast 500, 02 gsxr 1k, 06 cb600, 04 gsxr 750, 98 ducati m900, 09 R6s, 06 vrod vrsc street rod
It's just much more fun to sit on lighter gnarly bike which you can push to its limits, than twisting a tenth of your literbike throttle and never reving high.
Have to agree been riding a couple decades but still love my 600’s
We get it...you can't do 160 on the street...but if I can get to 110 in 3 seconds instead of 4....I'll take it
in my opinion the only difference is that liter bikes do wheelies unintentionally. anything else requires a clutch up. thats why some racers prefer 750s
@@ChrisG1392 lmfao any bike larger than 500cc wheelies without clutch even in 2nd gear, mt07, 701 (i have one), all the 600s, 1000s, 750s etc etc
Well... I have a CBR 929RR and can't complain 🤷🏾♂️
@@ohad.5890 Any bike above 500cc will power wheelie? You want to make a bet on that one?
@@AT2Productions not 100% but definitely not "only liter bikes power wheelie"
My tuned 750 is perfect, rockets u out of corners with a 3/4 throttle pull with a very predictable power band so if your familiar with your tires you know exactly when you lose traction and how much traction you have at whatever throttle input/ lean angle
How quickly does that change as your tyres wear
I got my 954RR because of you and I would never ever sell it.
Shortly after I got my hands on a S1000RR for just 2.000€ because it had an electronic problem (solved in 5 minutes for 0.50€).
Then I got a R1 but sold it quite fast because I don't like the sound of it.
My only 600 is a Honda and I have to say that it is very slow compared to the 1000s.
Here in germany we have the chance to drive them to their limits legaly and in that case it makes sense to get a 1000cc.
Do I NEED 1000cc? Well... yes and no. My drivestyle is very aggressive and when overtaking the 1kcc gives a huge plus! If I would stick to most of the speed limits, then it would not be necessary.
But hey, anyway it is more fun and so why not? Better have and not need than need and not have :D
You made me buy my first 900 so no excuses ;D (And god I thank you everyday for this!)
954rr awesome
@@stevekay9437 My favourite, although I'm reviewing the OG blade I rode yesterday
thanks for making this video i love it!
I love asymmetrical headlights Italian designs also show asymmetry. Look at a Lambo with one rear intake on one side and not the other. Unique and exclusive
I love the screaming 600s. Favorite sound in the world
Same!!
Hell yeah!
While I agree with what you’re saying a few of your points are relating to “flicability” and modern 1000s including the one you’re on weighs the same as your cbr600 or there amounts and turn just as easy
The wheelbase matters too. The hp4 feels longer than the 600. And my 600 still weighs a good 30 lbs less than my hp4 :)
The HP4 is special! A true standout for it's time. I'm with you 100%!
To me the problem with 600cc supersports is that they have no power low whatsoever (which is what you usually need for daily riding), I much rather have a bigger engine with less top end power (somehing like a BMW F900 or Ducati Supersport), I find it more usable than a 600 which you have to really push the engine to get some power
“Usually need for daily riding”
Nope, a 600 supersport is beyond what needed for daily riding. A 300 is perfect or a naked bike.
“Less top end power”
They don’t have less top end power, in fact the power band is built the same as a 600. Most of the power comes alive in the upper RPMs. Neither engine is geared for the low end power you’re talking. They have more low end power than a 600 because it’s a bigger engine. But if it’s reasonably useful daily riding power you want to try the r7, fz07, fz09
I’m convinced you’ve ridden neither a 6 or 1k.
If low end power is the only benefit to a 1k in your mind then I’d have to agree with Glenn here (although I’ll be a lot nicer about it). An fz09 has more low end grunt than any i4 super bike.
@@HeroRR what about the z900? I have one,it’s a inline 4 but makes more torque than the fz09 and has more top end. I love it.
@@xiborgh z900 is amazing!!
@@xiborgh z900 is a naked bike. He compared fz with superbikes. Not naked bikes. Of course z900 has a lot more torque than the fz but you are comparing it to another naked bike that is fz. If he said fz has more torque than any naked or superbikes then your comment would have made sense. Try reading the comment and understand what people are trying to say before you comment. Come on man..
I had the same thoughts after having a zx10 and a s1000rr years ago, but here I am thinking of getting a new base model cbr 1000.
Nice video dude. I recently reviewed a 2022 GSX-R1000R and said how and why it's just too much for the road. Boy did I get slated. 😂
I know a bunch of 1000cc riders. They get killed by ninja 400 on the Twisties. They are just compensating for lack of riding skills with more horsepower.
Another English biker here Dan 👍
I realize this video is more for those who maybe can’t choose between a 600 and 1000. But lets also be honest, people keep saying we don’t need a 1000, well we don’t need a 600 either. Most of us in the US already have a car as our primary commute, so we don’t need a bike at all, it’s a luxury asset. And why do we choose a 600 over 400, because you can barely use all the power on a 600 too unless on an open hwy. We ride our ride because it’s what we like. Get what you can handle and enjoy. For liter bikes, there’s also something about having lots of power but keeping the beast tamed on the road. We don’t need sports bikes but we got them to enjoy on the road regardless of the power.
“ Luxury asset “ yup that was and still is the key word lol
Well I brought a CBR150R K45R and I'm happy with it since its my first sport bike~
That's why I'm never selling my 2017 SV650. It's punchy v-twin engine is all I need for the street.
No, im 6'4" and 249lbs. I understand why you like the 650 area of bike. I have a 77 kz 650 and it's kind of campy to ride. That being said the 140lbs of torque on my 14 is god like....
Besides who has an extra thirty grand to dump on a unbelievably painful maintenance bike to own and ride when they're bikes with a tweek that become much more thrilling.
I ride a GSXR 1000, and I LOVE it!
600 inline 4 is and will always be the golden recipe for me
I like all that power and grunt. Truth is all you need is a scooter to ride, so it's all relative to what you want. I personally never gave a crap what others thought.
Started on a ZX-6R and it was the best starter bike IMO. Plenty of power, kept it in rain mode for the first few months while I got used to it. Now own an HP4 aswell and i can't really pick between the two as the ZX6R had plenty of HP for the street and was a little better around town. Can't beat the HP4 in the canyons or on a long straight though. The sheer acceleration is worth the upgrade.
I think the biggest reason one should upgrade is for some of that premium feel you get from the manufacturer's "halo" bikes. It's a little different nowadays with Kawasaki's H2, or the ducati V4R since those aren't attainable for most people but something like an HP4 brings that premium and top shelf feel that you may enjoy better then a 600
I got the CBR600RR as a first track bike. The problem with slower bikes is that the guys with faster bikes pass you on the straights but hold you up in the corners. Even with the 600 i find it verry hard to pass literbikes that ar just a bit slower than me.
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Hi, does that bother you to be passed on the straights? The best thing to do on track days is to find a clear spot on the track so you can ride without having to worry with track rossi's. Track Rossi's are very dangerous and do not have good common since; they will ride way over their heads and crash very expensive bikes for no good reason, and do not mind taking you out in the process. I love track days and ride the track myself but I always keep in mind that track days are for "GOOD TIMES" not lap times. Be safe out there because no one is watching you.
I just bought my very first bike in may gsxr 600 and I will say I sure as hell don’t need to go higher in performance bike! I absolutely love my bike and just want to make it faster as well as myself faster on it. I would much rather spend the money to make my 600 a faster bike rather than buy a 1000cc…I know damn well ima die on a 1000! For me I would rather build my bike customize my bike and set a goal to be the fastest 600 running the streets. Everything about my bike is beautiful to me.
I got my first ancient sport bike after riding my 500cc, and 1100cc air cooled v-twins in standard chassis. She's portly at 550lbs with 150hp and 80ftlbs. I treat her more like a sport touring bike with lower rear sets and maybe soon higher clip ons/handlebar. I just got that bike since I like the old school dual round headlights and carb'ed i-4 sound. Way too much power for me to use all of it. Even on long sweepers I just don't like going that fast on the street. The 1100cc v-twin was maybe more fun, and that thing only had 80hp and 60ftlbs with short gears.
We all want something different and learn what's good for us in each situation.
I ride my vintage 80's bikes the most anyways.....
My coworker had an 06 CBR 600rr with the Gas Gas Repsol livery and Termignoni full exhaust which I watched him install at work one night. The night he sold it I never saw him so like sad. I mean he was down from having sold his bike. They ended up getting an S1000rr though, maybe just like yours a 2014. Then they traded up to an HP4 a couple years later. Still got my 2013 Yamaha Stryker 😊. Ride safe and be cool brother
I spend a lot of time on the track. No one ever can outride a 1000 unless you're a professional rider. They are fast don't get me wrong, but at entry level track riding, a skilled rider on a 400 will out ride a entry level rider on a 1000 any day.
I don't have too much experience on bikes nor the fastest but I find having a 1000 just makes getting around so much easier with the lower end torque. Just coz you have a 1000 litre it does not mean you have to go faster when you're out, you ride to your level so whether its on a 600 or 250, you're still going to be around the same pace on a mountain range. Having the lower end of a litre bike just makes travelling easier coz when you're out riding its atleast half a day and most time you're on the highway. But in saying this best to start small first before upgrading to something bigger.
You explained that well. The HP number of the bike doesn't change how fast I ride. You also couldn't get the nice to have features(electronic suspension, brakes, traction control, IMU) without a 1000cc engine until very recently with the RS660.
It does make it easier, and is my favorite thing about the 1000. You can be lazy and have power right at the bottom... but as great of a pro that is when you're casually riding, it quickly becomes a con when you want to ride more aggressive. The power is so crazy the fun ends too quick! It's like as soon as you open the throttle within 3-5 seconds you're already going way too fast. Vs a 600 you can play with the power band and really enjoy running it through the rev range. It's personal preference really but I almost never find that my 600 is too slow for the street unless i'm trying to pace myself against liter bikes.
That is true about the 1000 bikes when you want to push a little harder it does scare me a little, especially when its corner after corner and you gotta slow down a lot. I got nothing against smaller cc bikes, the most fun I ever had and probably the best I ever ridden was on a honda 250cc inline 4.
Just how much freaking torque do you need?
Namely even small learner bikes are going to take off faster than most cars around you. Just admit you want something quick and move on. Trying to justify it with contrived excuses is just lame.
You could only make this statement sort of true with newer bikes any 1000 with no electronics is not friendly on the throttle for beginners, there will come a time where u give it a squirt too much around a bend and you will up on the ground
you're not a poser. you own the bike and u ride it. thats what matter. you cant go to the limit? who cares. you own the bike you can do what ever the hell u want with it. u like it you love it. thats what matter. its special
Out of all the new 600cc I'm thinking of 636 I wan a bang through all the gears.
I'm really thinking long and hard between the 636 and the GSXR 750. I laugh when I hear people on liter Bikes say they want one so they don't have to shift as much. I'm thinking myself. Isn't the whole point being on a bike so you can go through the gears If you're only going to want to shift one or two gears? Isn't that just being lazy? I really enjoy my ninja 650 I love being able to go through all the gears downshift reving that thing out. I rev the piss out of that bike.
That's why I'm thinking long and hard on my next bike so I can have the same amount of fun that I have on my Ninja 650. I want to rev. The piss out of it If I'm only shifting one or two gears, what fun is that. What are your thoughts? Is a 750 too much for the street or would I have funner times on a 636?
That's what I love about your channel. You're not just going after 1000cc bike just to say you have a liter bike but you're looking at it from a practical standpoint. I want to be able to enjoy every ounce out of that bike that I can get. Love hearing the top end screaming and then downshifting the gear to get more torque to me. That's fun! It's all about that.
So 636 or Gixxer 750?
Or give me another option that has the most torque out of the 600 class. Thanks!
I just got a gsxr 750 a few months back. Used from Craigslist. Best decision of my life. Haha, both choices are solid, bro. Have fun!
@@matthewsinclair507 thanks man, enjoy and be safe.
Excellent post .. you get it 🏆😉
@@deangruwell6555 I fully understand what he's getting at and I agree with him 100%
Even a 600 is arguably too much for the street, but I know hero is all about the sportbikes
litre bikes the main advantage is not the absurd power,its the midrange torque that feels so smooth and powerful
Imagine believing that lmao
@@DB-sd3cw I wouldn’t say too much like it’s unwieldy but I’m definitely breaking the law if I’m using all of it.
I bought a CB650R 3 weeks ago and honestly I don't see how I would use much more power then that on the street. At low speed I'm limited by traction and the front wheel wants to come off the ground. I guess a 1000 would punch much harder pass 70 MPH but I already get to that speed in second gear on my CB. Depending how fast you feel comfortable going on the street anything over 100 HP might be useless. I like going full throttle on my bike and I feel like I can do that quite a bit with my CB650R, I don't think I could very much on a 1000. I love accelerating to 100MPH fast, I don't like going faster then that so these big bikes are not for me at all.
Alot of the reasons you explained are the reason why i got my 2016 MV Agusta F4.
Ive had a 08 R6 & a 12 R1, great bikes. But i got my F4 cause on how rare & exotic the F4 are. & even more rare since they were discontinued in 2019.
So i love Exotic/Special bikes aswell. & i am not ever selling my F4, i dont track it or anything, i just make videos on it & enjoy the bike.
I swear that F4 is one of the most beautiful looking bikes out there, even though the headlight is singular the lines on it are just so clean and that SSA *drool*
@@HeroRR haha, yea man, its a great bike. Older models(early 2000s) have had there issues but once you get them fixed or upgraded, they are amazing bikes that are reliable bikes.
Can be expensive to maintain if you dont work on it yourself but its worth it.
Enjoy that BMW, i love the 2019 black model of the bmw s1000rr before they changed to the new look. I love the different headlights.
I’m fine with my k7-600(520 chain conversion, -1/+2 sprocket change, QS, ecu flash. if I need more power I’ll just do the 750 swap since it’s the same chassis.
I suspect you'll regret selling the HP4 should you do so. Maybe not in the next couple of years, but down the line. Now I have to look-up the RC51...
Man that year 600rr has aged well. Still looks modern.
Both them bikes look real nice, still love my 1000 though
A liter sport bike is just so... Situational. I think i'd get one just for group meets or short group rides. But I won't practice on one on the tracks just yet.
I know EVERYONE says it but I'm telling, getting the size up matters. Well, it matters to you if you are like me and weigh 350. Yeah, fat guy on a superbike (Farley tune). I have the MT07 that is hopped up to 93hp and it is fast and strong but I still wring it out too fast and too quick. I'll be in the 900s minimum on the next purchase. Other than that, I agree throroughly.
I almost always go for liter bikes or bigger. I currently own a BMW R1100RT, but I had just as much or more fun on the smaller bikes that I've owned... I currently have a Kawa 351 dual sport, and I ride that bike a whole lot more and enjoy it more than the BMW. The Beemer is fantastic on the twisties and long range cruising, but the Dual sport is a whole lot better for short trips - much lighter, easy to thrown around, and there is the off road option. :) :) :)
For those who don't know the 351 is a 250 cc that has a big bore kit - 351 power with a 250 frame! OMG that bike is a rocket up to just over 100mph...
the r1100rt is a giant boring pig, no wonder you enjoy riding the kawi more. trying and grow a few braincells and get a real sport bike
On the street? Heavy multi lane, or big city traffic? Big bore liter bikes destroy small bore bikes, mostly for safety reasons alone. Torque and power are important for getting out of the many sticky situations you will constantly be in. I have rode the 600 on the street, hell even a track only modded 600, even closer to a big bore. On the street? once you go big bore you don't go back, and this is talking about regular riding, not testing your buddies big bore for a day, that means squat. Means far less for small town back road putters tho.
I totally agree with you. The 600 is more than enough
Get the sv650 !!! For sure!! For track bike ! It will run forever I have an sv1000 I love it but the sv650 is more flickable but I love your video yea I want a second bike a small one like duke 390 just to mess around on because you really can’t be messing around on a 1000
400hp Hayabusa is my daily and I’ll never sell it 😂
Never fails to scare the shit outta me
Electronic suspension is a magic carpet ride
True. I need a 1340cc super bike and a 998cc super bike. I'm glad we agree.
If you get a sv for the track. Get a gen 2, look for a 03 as they use gen 1 and gen 2 parts. Gen 1 sucks because parts are starting to diminish and 3rd gens are too bulky. 2 gen is the way to go
Thanks for the advice! I was thinking gen 2 is the sweet spot.
Great content my guy 👦👌👏🙌
Appreciate ya!
Idk Danny, I typically agree with you on most things, but this I'm not sure about. I used to have a 600rr like yours. Same generation, mine was a 2011. I'd take my s1k over it every single time because, three words, "electronic cruise control." Possibly the best thing ever fitted to a modern liter bike lol. Oh and the autoblipper for downshifts is pretty sweet too. For me, the 600 had zero balls down low. Actually, owning the 600rr, the rc51, and the s1k at the same time was what led me to get rid of the 600. It just became irrelevant. My experience was that it handled no better or worse than the s1k and if I wanted to ride an awesome analog bike then, boom, rc51, job done. At speed the rc felt like a featherweight compared to the 600.
"At speed rc felt like a featherweight compared to the 600" You must be joking or you never ridden 600 or RC51. Also any 1,000 superbike will never handle like 600 supersport period.
Nice video ! One question : where have you buy yours headlights for the CBR PC40 ? I want the sames 😂
Motodynamic! They're awesome! I made a video on them on my channel here's the link to buy them: www.motodynamic.com/2007-2012-honda-cbr600rr-full-led-projection-head-light-with-drl.html
I have a 1999 ZX9R and i dol love ZX10R's and R1's etc but i would love a 2013-2018 636! The only reason i have the 9 over a 6 is because of the price, i can ride my favourite roads far quicker on my friends 6 than my 9 or my friends 10 cuz it's still 160+mph but it is more agile and brakes quicker as it weighs less
Good comparison. I’ve been on the fence for a while now. I agree with the 1000 having the low end torque…. And the 600 would be fun also. But I want the bells and whistles, and it seems like the 1000’s have it. Yes some of the 600’s do too, but that’s something damn near brand new and will be $$$…..Some of the cheaper ,older 1000’s have the bells and the tech. So I might have to choose the 1000…..
Most of the bells and whistles of a 1k are really not necessary though. Sure they’re nice to have. But on a smaller bike all the rider aids matter a whole lot less.
@@HeroRR The thing is , 99% of people won't even touch the limit of a 300-500cc bike on a track. People that "outgrow" bikes, just want more power readily available or more power in the straights, where 95% of riding actually takes place.. Plus you can ride the 1000cc in C mode/ rain mode etc, and feel like a 600cc with better components.
That bmw looks like a shark with a scared eye, i fucking love it.
01:04 Some of my favorite relationships started out with that same sentiment! 😂
I'm gonna say it again...I wanna watch more of your videos...
I went from a 1000cc superhawk to an 800cc Ducati monster. I only regret it on the highway....
COME TO EUROPEAN MOTORCYCLE DAY AT LARS ANDERSON THIS YEAR......please
The bmw is about 40ish pounds heavier than the cbr600rr. Is that weight noticeable??
I’m looking at an 07 cbr1000 but it’s like 455 wet, and I’m wondering if the weight would be terrible for track and twisties.
Yeah I notice the weight difference tbh. And the wheelbase. 600 is way more fun in the twisties.
I agree. I have the same model vfr800 as you and im getting to the point where i feel even that is too much for the street. Maybe is just my lead wrist
I think there are a lot of feelings you have for the 600. It's not a fair comparison. I have a 2001 R1 that I would never sell. I'm thinking about buying a 2009 for the cross plane, but then having 2 R1's in excessive, Right ??? maybe an 2008 R6... I bought an R3 for the track and I hate it. I've been spoiled by the R1's power and I'm use to how I fit on the bike. Ahhh First world problems lol...
Yeah haha, but even taking my CBR out of the equation... I rode a ZX6R last year and I honestly had so much fun on it I almost wanted to pick one up. I was revving it all up and down the range and it was just so playful and fun.
Some people are lucky enough to live in a place where a 1000 is useless and I envy them. All the roads around here you have to ride a 200hp bike so you can go fast enough to lean the bike over farther than the kickstand around these "curves"
I have a ‘00 VFR800fi. I’ve ridden a CBR1000 from 06, and it doesn’t have anywhere near the torque of that bike down low, but it’s got more low end than a 600. I feel like it’s the perfect balance between the 600s and 1000s. I am interested in so many different bikes but I don’t think I can ever sell it. It’s so perfect. Only 11k miles on it too, so it’ll last forever.
No worries, you only live once! Do we really need anything more than a 300cc, everything beyond is overkill, but would a 300cc wake the passion within! I don't need a 1000cc, but I would love to have one and I'm considering it, but would it make sense, no not one bit!
Totally different conversation, but would you ever own a naked bike?
i thought the hp4 is not that reliable compared to the rest of the s1krr?
How did you change the 3 spoke wheels on the 2008 CBR600