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Ratty the steering is my problem now, I did a swap in a 64 Chevelle and did use the Holley pan, I may have to go rack and pinion. The arms still hit the Holley, thanks for the Video Brother.
My dad has been restoring his 1970 chevelle convertible. He was almost done. He had the motor completely redone. Put it in then finished the car. In that time he parked it outside for a couple days and unfortunately it rained and filled the oil pan with water. He didn't realize that and pulled the car back into the driveway and the motor started making noise. So on a Sunday him and my brother went to my uncle's house to get the cherry picker to remove the motor. Monday my dad and uncle pulled the motor out. Wednesday he was working on the motor when my brother went into the garage and shot my dad and his mom then 2 days later he shot himself. Now my goal is to finish the car for my dad. I just want to ls swap it but wasn't sure where to start and I found your video. Thank you.
I’m really sorry for your loss. I can’t even begin to imagine what that must be like. Building the car sounds like a great tribute though. Reach out if you have any questions along the way.
This was dope, I’m attempting to swap a 72 Chevelle and this made things a lot more approachable in an otherwise intimidating undertaking. Thanks for this
i just picked up a 70 lemans that was my niece's former drag car. current setup is SBC/glide/9", i may do an LS swap eventually, but will try to run it as-is. I started following for the wiring stuff.... I may change it to a street/strip car to hopefully do some drag & drive events eventually, but most of the stock wiring is gone, so the wiring stuff is a big help!! either way it'll be a fun project.
@@WiringRescue I’m sure I’ll have many questions! Thank you for offering sir! Mine is a 1970 LeMans with the same front end yours has. I’ve got to fix some rust on the bottom of the front fenders where they bolt up to the rockers. Those fenders are pricey on eBay!!!
@@WiringRescue I definitely will document the restoration of it as well as my other 2 cars. It’s something neat to have available if anyone ever asks about it and it’s something my kids can watch again when they’re a little older. Hopefully I can get them involved in the work!
Have you considered an F body oil pan? Under $100 new. You'd need the pick up tube $25-$30. And you can modify the truck windage tray. I went that route vs. a $250+ aftermarket pan. IIRC - pan $90, pick up tube $25, O-ring $3, dipstick and tube $12.
I’m not sure if the f-body one will work. I measured it and thought it would hit the back side of the frame crossmember. That said, I could be totally wrong, and it may also depend where your motor mounts place the engine itself.
I have a 72 LeMans that I'm really wanting to do a full drivetrain swap. LS, 5/6 spd, Posi rear. I'm anticipating I need to do some suspension, brake, cooling and fuel mods all together. I'd pay for a how to guide with all that's needed and some example parts to consider
The brakes, suspension, and rear axle can be completely separate from the drivetrain. You can do it all in chunks, maybe even do the trans and engine separately. That would allow you do the whole project over time while still driving and enjoying it and not dump $15k at once. It’s easy to get overwhelmed when you’re staring at a bare shell that needs every bolt painted and reattached. A list like what you are after is pretty doable for sure!
@@stevemullin7472 - I don’t ever like recommending Facebook for anything, but the Facebook group of “gm a-body a-holes” and “ruined Pontiac’s” are both really good. There isn’t much for forums that I know of anymore.
My hold up was and has always been the fuel delivery / return line system. Thanks for showing that inline pump and fittings used. What pressure regulator / filter and return lines are used?
I used the stock LQ4 truck regulator on the engine, and I should have added a -6AN universal, cleanable, fuel filter to the fuel line, but never got around to it. Whoooopsie. Luckily there is a fuel sock in the tank to keep the big stuff out.
The drive by wire wasn’t bad. In fact, the first time I turned the key with it all set up right, it started up, revved, and idled perfectly. It was pretty nice. The pedal was not hard to install either. Overall the drive by wire was no problem at all. I’d do it again for sure. That being said, I’ve never tried a carbed LS, so that could be kind of fun too.
I’m not a guy that can drop thousands on all the fanciest parts, so I’ve gotta work harder instead, with research, along with trial and error. I’m happy to share my learnings so that it’s less work for the next guy/gal!
A trip down memory lane! For a minute there, I thought you weren't going to mention the oil pan dramas! (Oh.. but didn't you buy the wrong fuel pump?) :)
Very cool bro . Been thinking about installing LS engine in my 69 chevelle . Would the truck oil pan work if I could raise the engine up a little bit? Thanks Chad
Honestly, The truck pan is a nightmare. You’d be way better off spending $200 on the eBay muscle car pan. The truck pan needs to be modified in the front and the rear along with having the pickup tube sectioned. It’s well worth it to buy the right one. And I’m the cheapest guy I’ve ever met.
@WiringRescue I'm wondering about this also. Swamped my 69 Chevelle and I'm now to the point of getting the wiring of the car figured out. I have removed the factory voltage regulator and the horn relay, wired my headlights up with relays, and now can't seem to figure out how to get power inside to the dash, and my blinkers aren't working now. Car sat for 20yrs and critters ate most wires under the hood.
Man I’ve been keeping an eye on this for a while man super awesome I’ve been planing on doing the exact same thing on my fathers lemans that he left me and seeing someone else going through the headache is amazing keep up the good work man!
I know this is an older video, but do you remember what position you used on the adapter plates? I'm redoing the frame for my 68 chevelle, and want to set the engine, and transmission in before I set the body back on. It looks like you used the furthest postion, but i can't tell.
I tell ya...I did a 289 to 351 swap on my mustang....Could not have done it without peeps on youtube and the internet in general...There was a day when going from parts store to parts store and asking dumbass questions was the only way to go....LOL...and im only 56...so there you go spoiled mechanics!!! lol
Have the same car n looking at maybe trying the swap I have the drive shaft for a 4l80e and motor mount plates but just curious is that all a main harness from a truck or ?? Maybe I missed that part was at work watching this
The wiring harness is from a truck, I stripped the harness of junk that it didn’t need and then attached it to the car. It takes a while, but it was not particularly hard to do.
Very Informative !! I do have a question and apologize if it's already been asked - When buying a Drive by Wire engine - Is it critical to get the pedal and Tac Mod from the same vehicle...? Thanks!
Nope, those parts can come from different cars as long as the parts are a correct match - part number. They aren’t synced together or anything through the security system.
Im doing same setup, I've heard of problems because of vss not being hooked up. They said engine thinks its in idle because of no speed sensor. Have you experienced problems?
I sold this car before driving it on the street much, but I was going to add a vss to it because I spoke to a few people that told me that automatics need it. So I’d recommend you use one for sure.
I'm currently doing the same swap with my '68 Cutlass. How did you deal with the detent cable on your TH400 while using drive by wire? I'm trying to decide if I wanna use my 4L60E or TH350 since i have drive by wire also.
I forget what the problem was, but I believe that something was hitting somewhere. Maybe power steering on the frame? I forget exactly. That’s my best guess though.
Hello! It was sold and then resold again from what I heard. I’m not sure where it ended up after that unfortunately. I took it from being a dead car that should have probably been parted out and scrapped to a pretty solid, driveable car. With most of the hard work done, it would have been a terrific car for somebody to drive while they continued to improve it. When working on it began to feel not-fun for me, I knew it was time to move on.
Yes, I believe I sent it to LT1swap.com if I recall correctly. I wired the obd2 port into the ecu and mounted it under my dash. If you check out my Lemans playlist, you’ll find a video about it somewhere in there. :)
Omg you have my dream car and yes it did help me alot. I am looking for this same body style drop top. How much hp are you making and are you having any problems with it
No idea on horsepower. Probably whatever a stock 6.0L LQ4 makes. I actually sold the car, so I’m not sure what it’s current status is! :) Hopefully driving!
Hey I have a question about wiring. I’m doing a swap on my 68 skylark. I’m trying to eliminate any electrical issues. What writes from your factory car harness did you use? I’m using the starter wires, but should I be using anything else? This is a lot different than my caprice builds. Thanks
It’s been a couple years since I did that, but I believe the only wires on the car side that were kept were the starter circuit, and maybe the power wires from the ignition switch. I probably could have used the factory gauge wires too, but I never hooked up the gauges.
I don't, but I do know that the 4L80 is a big transmission, so it's possible that you would need a different transmission crossmember, a different driveshaft, maybe a modified floor pan, and then the electronics to run it.
Nah, it’s a lowly Ratty Lemans that is worth more with an LS swap than it would be with a Pontiac engine. Having a Pontiac engine would cost more than the whole car is worth.
Instead of changing the oil pan You could cut the steering arm under the pan and re weld it at an angle and angle it farther down more of a half moon shape should work also
In some ways, yes! Whenever I do a project, I learn the good with the bad. With this car, I basically had a zero dollar budget, and I was trying to be as cheap as possible. I would definitely recommend having more than a $0 budget. Lol. $2500-$4000 would get you everything you need (including the engine) as long as you are willing to do the work yourself and start with a used LS engine.
I should have left it for dead in the bushes where I found it. It would have been a smarter investment. Building a Pontiac engine for this would have cost 5x what the car is worth.
@@WiringRescue hmmm so you got a LS for less then 300.00? It's better then it Rotting away but those motors don't produce the torque below 4500 that the BOP motors do and yes they can be found still because alot people are doing what is called I want a LS 2 just cause it's the trend to do...but the best part of car building is We all are the orginal recyclers
If the purists want to fund my builds, I'd love to build giant cubic inch pontiac engines with 4-speeds for everyone's viewing pleasure! Unfortunately Pontiac engines builds are probably 5x the cost of what an LS swap would be. So LS swap it is!
I’m truly glad this car is long gone. I spent 2-3 years reviving this thing from an abandoned car in the woods, to being a fuel injected, LS, TH400, drivable vehicle with a ton of new sheetmetal. The amount of people that have told me how terrible the car is and how awful my work is, is truly unlike anything I’ve ever encountered. For your sake and anybody else that is reading this, I truly hope that nobody shits on your work the way that you do on theirs. I’m sad and embarrassed for you that you feel you need to do that.
Do you feel the same about pre-war hotrods? Or is it okay to toss the original 201 cubic inch 4 cylinder with Babbitt bearings from a Model A and swap a V8 into it? How about a ‘41 Willys? Those came with little 4 cylinder engines too, but everyone swaps blown hemis into them. Is that fine? Should those cars stay all OEM too? The fact of the matter is that not all OEM stuff is good. Some of it was garbage that modern technology can improve upon for more horsepower, more reliability, and less money than the OEM stuff. If this were an original Ram Air IV car, with a matching block, I would have kept it original, but it’s not. It was a rotted out, abandoned, Lemans that should have been crushed and turned into a Kia Optima 15 years ago. But instead, I pulled it out of the woods, put hundreds and hundreds of hours into it, and got it back on the road again - saving another Pontiac. Since I didn’t use the garbage non-matching number Pontiac 350 that was in the car, I made sure it went to a Pontiac enthusiast. Maybe it will get another Pontiac on the road. But I’m the bad guy for doing an LS swap. Anywho - the short version is - the car is gone, and I hope it gets parted out and crushed. I’m sorry that I wasted so much time and money making it driveable, and the next time I pull a Pontiac from the woods, I’ll just bring it straight to the scrap metal yard instead.
@@WiringRescue it's more just an "everybody's doing it" jab, but you seem way too excited about it. Relax kid, nobody wants to see any old muscle car scrapped, the ls swap is just played out and tired.
@@barnabyjones5161 maybe people want a streetable car with cheap power. Who cares if it's overplayed, if it's the best option for someone,why wouldn't they do it?
I totally agree, and hope to do that. These two videos are a good start though! 1. ua-cam.com/video/Yz9kqxWkoHI/v-deo.html 2.ua-cam.com/video/y5Q3QOR4PnM/v-deo.html
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How much would you say you spent in total for parts?
Ratty the steering is my problem now, I did a swap in a 64 Chevelle and did use the Holley pan, I may have to go rack and pinion. The arms still hit the Holley, thanks for the Video Brother.
My dad has been restoring his 1970 chevelle convertible. He was almost done. He had the motor completely redone. Put it in then finished the car. In that time he parked it outside for a couple days and unfortunately it rained and filled the oil pan with water. He didn't realize that and pulled the car back into the driveway and the motor started making noise. So on a Sunday him and my brother went to my uncle's house to get the cherry picker to remove the motor. Monday my dad and uncle pulled the motor out. Wednesday he was working on the motor when my brother went into the garage and shot my dad and his mom then 2 days later he shot himself. Now my goal is to finish the car for my dad. I just want to ls swap it but wasn't sure where to start and I found your video. Thank you.
I’m really sorry for your loss. I can’t even begin to imagine what that must be like. Building the car sounds like a great tribute though. Reach out if you have any questions along the way.
Wow that's unbelievable. I'm so sorry to hear that, I hope everything's going as well as it can
I'm still trying to figure out how rain got in the oil pan? Rain through the carb would have sat in the cylinders.
I have a 72 Lemans with an LS3 swap! Took me down memory lane!
Yeap, it's a fun ride! Thank you for watching the video!
I just finished a 5.3 ls out of a 2002 suburban attached to a th350 in a 74 chevy van. It was quite the adventure swapping it.
This was dope, I’m attempting to swap a 72 Chevelle and this made things a lot more approachable in an otherwise intimidating undertaking. Thanks for this
Thanks for watching! I'm glad the video was able to take some confusion out of the engine swap!
i just picked up a 70 lemans that was my niece's former drag car. current setup is SBC/glide/9", i may do an LS swap eventually, but will try to run it as-is. I started following for the wiring stuff.... I may change it to a street/strip car to hopefully do some drag & drive events eventually, but most of the stock wiring is gone, so the wiring stuff is a big help!! either way it'll be a fun project.
Been there since the beginning. For some reason proud of you. And remembering the radiator install. Ughh
Thanks! I appreciate that! Dropping my iPhone in the antifreeze bucket is something I think about often! Lol glad I got it on film!
I am looking at doing my 66 Lemans as an LS swap. Thanks for the video
Happy to help! Good luck with the project!
Nice work and sweet job on showing all the parts and part numbers
Thanks! And thanks for watching!
Nice👏👏 got same exact engine ima bout to attempt on my 72 cs once engine is complete.
Awesome! You should make some videos and post them up!
Thank you for posting this! Part numbers and everything I needed!
Happy to help! Let me know if you have any questions along the way!
@@WiringRescue I’m sure I’ll have many questions! Thank you for offering sir!
Mine is a 1970 LeMans with the same front end yours has. I’ve got to fix some rust on the bottom of the front fenders where they bolt up to the rockers. Those fenders are pricey on eBay!!!
@@John-4649 - they sure are! You should document your build on UA-cam so I can watch!
@@WiringRescue I definitely will document the restoration of it as well as my other 2 cars. It’s something neat to have available if anyone ever asks about it and it’s something my kids can watch again when they’re a little older. Hopefully I can get them involved in the work!
Very good video. You went over everything! Good job
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Have you considered an F body oil pan? Under $100 new. You'd need the pick up tube $25-$30. And you can modify the truck windage tray. I went that route vs. a $250+ aftermarket pan. IIRC - pan $90, pick up tube $25, O-ring $3, dipstick and tube $12.
I’m not sure if the f-body one will work. I measured it and thought it would hit the back side of the frame crossmember. That said, I could be totally wrong, and it may also depend where your motor mounts place the engine itself.
The wiring guy hates his wiring job. Overall it works and looks good.
i am so excited to see another lemans video go up!! looking good!
Haha - I appreciate you watching!
Great video. Tons of helpful information.
I’m glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching!!
I used stock 2005 Corvette headers. I put a 6 liter in my 1970 c/20 Longhorn.
Thank you for sharing... I’m thinking about doing a swap on my 72 SS.
Do it! Unless you have already have a big block under the hood. Then just do burnouts and love life.
99 02 Camaro oil pan thanks for sharing
Good job, you could also cut the frame and weld in a u shape. Looks like you need to pull the engine and fix a few things.
Yes - to swap the pan, the engine would most definitely need to come back out. :(
@@WiringRescue Better to get to it immediately than have a shop full of someday I will finish projects.
Or I just don’t turn the steering wheel all the way to the left or the right!
I have a 72 LeMans that I'm really wanting to do a full drivetrain swap. LS, 5/6 spd, Posi rear. I'm anticipating I need to do some suspension, brake, cooling and fuel mods all together. I'd pay for a how to guide with all that's needed and some example parts to consider
The brakes, suspension, and rear axle can be completely separate from the drivetrain. You can do it all in chunks, maybe even do the trans and engine separately. That would allow you do the whole project over time while still driving and enjoying it and not dump $15k at once. It’s easy to get overwhelmed when you’re staring at a bare shell that needs every bolt painted and reattached.
A list like what you are after is pretty doable for sure!
@@WiringRescue Is there a forum you hang out in that is useful for chatting LeMans swaps?
@@stevemullin7472 - I don’t ever like recommending Facebook for anything, but the Facebook group of “gm a-body a-holes” and “ruined Pontiac’s” are both really good. There isn’t much for forums that I know of anymore.
My hold up was and has always been the fuel delivery / return line system. Thanks for showing that inline pump and fittings used. What pressure regulator / filter and return lines are used?
I used the stock LQ4 truck regulator on the engine, and I should have added a -6AN universal, cleanable, fuel filter to the fuel line, but never got around to it. Whoooopsie. Luckily there is a fuel sock in the tank to keep the big stuff out.
I think my next LS swap will be carbed. My first was a drive by cable luckily.
The drive by wire wasn’t bad. In fact, the first time I turned the key with it all set up right, it started up, revved, and idled perfectly. It was pretty nice. The pedal was not hard to install either. Overall the drive by wire was no problem at all. I’d do it again for sure.
That being said, I’ve never tried a carbed LS, so that could be kind of fun too.
Just a MSD 6014,Carb and intake manifold essentially.
That oil pan is gonna be a birch to swap out with the motor in the car ! Maybe a good time to shim the motor mounts higher😀JR
Great vid! Thanks for dumbing it down for us lol!
I’m not a guy that can drop thousands on all the fanciest parts, so I’ve gotta work harder instead, with research, along with trial and error. I’m happy to share my learnings so that it’s less work for the next guy/gal!
A trip down memory lane! For a minute there, I thought you weren't going to mention the oil pan dramas! (Oh.. but didn't you buy the wrong fuel pump?) :)
Oh I’ve had ALL the problems! Lol. Lots of learning through the whole process though!!
Very cool bro . Been thinking about installing LS engine in my 69 chevelle . Would the truck oil pan work if I could raise the engine up a little bit? Thanks Chad
Honestly, The truck pan is a nightmare. You’d be way better off spending $200 on the eBay muscle car pan. The truck pan needs to be modified in the front and the rear along with having the pickup tube sectioned. It’s well worth it to buy the right one. And I’m the cheapest guy I’ve ever met.
What did you do with the original horn relay and power distribution block?
@WiringRescue I'm wondering about this also. Swamped my 69 Chevelle and I'm now to the point of getting the wiring of the car figured out. I have removed the factory voltage regulator and the horn relay, wired my headlights up with relays, and now can't seem to figure out how to get power inside to the dash, and my blinkers aren't working now. Car sat for 20yrs and critters ate most wires under the hood.
Been awhile bro great video
Man I’ve been keeping an eye on this for a while man super awesome I’ve been planing on doing the exact same thing on my fathers lemans that he left me and seeing someone else going through the headache is amazing keep up the good work man!
Thanks for watching. I appreciate it, and good luck on your project!
Very helpful. Thank you!
Thanks for watching!! I’m glad you found it helpful!
You should run the dump tube to a coolant bottle
I completely agree!
Not bad. Can you build a different steering arm. That might be another option.
I’m sure it’s possible! Thanks for watching!
I know this is an older video, but do you remember what position you used on the adapter plates? I'm redoing the frame for my 68 chevelle, and want to set the engine, and transmission in before I set the body back on. It looks like you used the furthest postion, but i can't tell.
I tell ya...I did a 289 to 351 swap on my mustang....Could not have done it without peeps on youtube and the internet in general...There was a day when going from parts store to parts store and asking dumbass questions was the only way to go....LOL...and im only 56...so there you go spoiled mechanics!!! lol
Haha! Well I appreciate you watching the videos. It’s fun to document this stuff and look back and realize how many mistakes were made!
Have the same car n looking at maybe trying the swap I have the drive shaft for a 4l80e and motor mount plates but just curious is that all a main harness from a truck or ?? Maybe I missed that part was at work watching this
The wiring harness is from a truck, I stripped the harness of junk that it didn’t need and then attached it to the car. It takes a while, but it was not particularly hard to do.
@@WiringRescue thank u ! And awesome job think I need to find me a old pickup somewhere
Very Informative !! I do have a question and apologize if it's already been asked - When buying a Drive by Wire engine - Is it critical to get the pedal and Tac Mod from the same vehicle...? Thanks!
Nope, those parts can come from different cars as long as the parts are a correct match - part number. They aren’t synced together or anything through the security system.
Nice set up if you was going to put a turbo on it which one would you do for a stock LQ4
Not really sure, but I’d definitely buy it from forced performance. They are good people!
So you use the factory fuel sending unit with the external fuel pump
Where's the MAF thing now?
What do I do with the hose thing on my 03 yukon gas pedal,?where u get the radiator or which do u recommend.
Nice video, I have a 1970 GTO that I’m in the process of ls swapping. Question what did you use for gauges? Oil psi, water temp etc thanks
What's the plan for the LeMans in 2021? What projects are next?
Well, as you know, 2020 got real weird, and unpredictable. So there may be an upcoming story to tell. ;)
Im doing same setup, I've heard of problems because of vss not being hooked up. They said engine thinks its in idle because of no speed sensor. Have you experienced problems?
I sold this car before driving it on the street much, but I was going to add a vss to it because I spoke to a few people that told me that automatics need it. So I’d recommend you use one for sure.
Did you have to change driveshaft?
The driveshaft I had mostly worked, but probably should have been an inch or two longer. I forget exactly. It’s been a while.
Thank you for this
Nice work!
Did u have to drop the fuel tank to install the fuel pump system ?
I sure didn’t. Just plugged the hose onto the sender. It may not be ideal for a high horsepower scenario, but it makes the engine run.
I'm currently doing the same swap with my '68 Cutlass. How did you deal with the detent cable on your TH400 while using drive by wire? I'm trying to decide if I wanna use my 4L60E or TH350 since i have drive by wire also.
How did you wire the car up💯💯✊🏽✊🏽🙏🏽
You can follow along the whole process here: ua-cam.com/play/PLsF7T1tRFy2gQ6ZzAim8kNPfYqrFPIyK2.html
@@WiringRescue nice thank you sir GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS 💯💯✊🏽✊🏽
Nice
Thank you!
What kinda car is that L shape boot on the throttle body to the air filter off of? Thanks in advance.
Why didn't you just use the stock accessory brackets
I forget what the problem was, but I believe that something was hitting somewhere. Maybe power steering on the frame? I forget exactly. That’s my best guess though.
Any updates on the car?
Hello! It was sold and then resold again from what I heard. I’m not sure where it ended up after that unfortunately. I took it from being a dead car that should have probably been parted out and scrapped to a pretty solid, driveable car. With most of the hard work done, it would have been a terrific car for somebody to drive while they continued to improve it. When working on it began to feel not-fun for me, I knew it was time to move on.
You still have the lemans? I haven't seen any recent videos on it.
How much do you have into the the whole swap? Including the LS?
did you have to flash the computer?
where did you locate the OBD2 port?
Yes, I believe I sent it to LT1swap.com if I recall correctly. I wired the obd2 port into the ecu and mounted it under my dash. If you check out my Lemans playlist, you’ll find a video about it somewhere in there. :)
If I’m going 4l60e will the stock transmission mount bolt up to stock crossmember?
Omg you have my dream car and yes it did help me alot. I am looking for this same body style drop top. How much hp are you making and are you having any problems with it
No idea on horsepower. Probably whatever a stock 6.0L LQ4 makes. I actually sold the car, so I’m not sure what it’s current status is! :) Hopefully driving!
On the ict billet adaptor what holes did you use to put the anchor on too ?
I believe I show that in one of the earlier videos. Check out my ratty 72 lemans playlist for the video before Install engine.
Hey I have a question about wiring. I’m doing a swap on my 68 skylark. I’m trying to eliminate any electrical issues. What writes from your factory car harness did you use? I’m using the starter wires, but should I be using anything else? This is a lot different than my caprice builds. Thanks
It’s been a couple years since I did that, but I believe the only wires on the car side that were kept were the starter circuit, and maybe the power wires from the ignition switch. I probably could have used the factory gauge wires too, but I never hooked up the gauges.
Good job but I know one thing nobody ever wrote a song about a LS1.
Now is my chance! I do think I’m great at karaoke.
have you any idea about the changes for the cfross member when installing the 4l80
I don't, but I do know that the 4L80 is a big transmission, so it's possible that you would need a different transmission crossmember, a different driveshaft, maybe a modified floor pan, and then the electronics to run it.
4l80 will fit just move engine fwd
Thing needs a Pontiac 400-455
Nah, it’s a lowly Ratty Lemans that is worth more with an LS swap than it would be with a Pontiac engine. Having a Pontiac engine would cost more than the whole car is worth.
@@WiringRescue if you change your mind, I have a super clean low mileage 350 for sale out of my 68 tempest. (making room for a 4.8)
Where did you get that intake elbow? And are you using a maf?
I used a street 90 on mine....Lowes hardware store...buck sixty....
what Cross member u use
Stock, with a TH400 transmission .
What size tires are in the rear?
295/?/15 I forget the middle part. I’ll see if I can dig it up for you.
Instead of changing the oil pan You could cut the steering arm under the pan and re weld it at an angle and angle it farther down more of a half moon shape should work also
The rear vent tubes aren’t necessary
Where are you located ?
Massachusetts.
@@WiringRescue awww man !!! Wish you could do my car but I’m in Mississippi 😖
Same lol
@@Dmxgang - sorry friends! Grab an LS, some friends, some pizza and do it yourself. It will be fun!
@@Dmxgang you from the SiP?
This is a tale of what not to do eh?
In some ways, yes! Whenever I do a project, I learn the good with the bad. With this car, I basically had a zero dollar budget, and I was trying to be as cheap as possible. I would definitely recommend having more than a $0 budget. Lol. $2500-$4000 would get you everything you need (including the engine) as long as you are willing to do the work yourself and start with a used LS engine.
should have put the battery in the trunk
That would have cost 5x as much and not gained me anything. It’s not a drag car or a low rider.
Dam! You gutted that car to put that in it! No thanks I'd rather but a Buick or a Olds motor in it first
I should have left it for dead in the bushes where I found it. It would have been a smarter investment. Building a Pontiac engine for this would have cost 5x what the car is worth.
@@WiringRescue hmmm so you got a LS for less then 300.00? It's better then it Rotting away but those motors don't produce the torque below 4500 that the BOP motors do and yes they can be found still because alot people are doing what is called I want a LS 2 just cause it's the trend to do...but the best part of car building is We all are the orginal recyclers
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I have no idea what that means.
The purists would have your head if the car you started with was nicer. Since it's a post 1970 LeMans, and a rough one to boot, you get a pass.
If the purists want to fund my builds, I'd love to build giant cubic inch pontiac engines with 4-speeds for everyone's viewing pleasure! Unfortunately Pontiac engines builds are probably 5x the cost of what an LS swap would be. So LS swap it is!
bit of a butcher job but it works!
I’m truly glad this car is long gone. I spent 2-3 years reviving this thing from an abandoned car in the woods, to being a fuel injected, LS, TH400, drivable vehicle with a ton of new sheetmetal. The amount of people that have told me how terrible the car is and how awful my work is, is truly unlike anything I’ve ever encountered. For your sake and anybody else that is reading this, I truly hope that nobody shits on your work the way that you do on theirs. I’m sad and embarrassed for you that you feel you need to do that.
Step 1: don't be that guy.
Step 2: LS swap the world!
@@WiringRescue too many ls swaps and not enough oem builds.
Do you feel the same about pre-war hotrods? Or is it okay to toss the original 201 cubic inch 4 cylinder with Babbitt bearings from a Model A and swap a V8 into it? How about a ‘41 Willys? Those came with little 4 cylinder engines too, but everyone swaps blown hemis into them. Is that fine? Should those cars stay all OEM too?
The fact of the matter is that not all OEM stuff is good. Some of it was garbage that modern technology can improve upon for more horsepower, more reliability, and less money than the OEM stuff. If this were an original Ram Air IV car, with a matching block, I would have kept it original, but it’s not. It was a rotted out, abandoned, Lemans that should have been crushed and turned into a Kia Optima 15 years ago. But instead, I pulled it out of the woods, put hundreds and hundreds of hours into it, and got it back on the road again - saving another Pontiac. Since I didn’t use the garbage non-matching number Pontiac 350 that was in the car, I made sure it went to a Pontiac enthusiast. Maybe it will get another Pontiac on the road. But I’m the bad guy for doing an LS swap.
Anywho - the short version is - the car is gone, and I hope it gets parted out and crushed. I’m sorry that I wasted so much time and money making it driveable, and the next time I pull a Pontiac from the woods, I’ll just bring it straight to the scrap metal yard instead.
@@WiringRescue it's more just an "everybody's doing it" jab, but you seem way too excited about it. Relax kid, nobody wants to see any old muscle car scrapped, the ls swap is just played out and tired.
@@barnabyjones5161 maybe people want a streetable car with cheap power. Who cares if it's overplayed, if it's the best option for someone,why wouldn't they do it?
Should make a video on how to wire a ls stand-alone harness Into a jap car
I totally agree, and hope to do that. These two videos are a good start though!
1. ua-cam.com/video/Yz9kqxWkoHI/v-deo.html
2.ua-cam.com/video/y5Q3QOR4PnM/v-deo.html
Do you have to yank the motor out to remove the oil pan ?
You sure do. Or at least lift it high in the engine bay and slip it out the back.