GMC is supposed to be the truck version of Buick so its about 10 percent more for same truck. Too bad the Denali still pales compared to the top of line rams on wood trim vs plastic and uconnect
@@chrishill6788 That tablet for the infotainment system is ridiculous. In this age where everyone is distracted by electronics, why put in a display that you have to look down off the road to use? Stupid!
Stop asking for a diesel power wagon. I have a Cummins, you don't want a truck with 5,000 lbs over the front axle off-road. You also don't want a diesel that can only tow 10k pounds. It's limited to that by the soft suspension, "so put airbags on or stiffen the springs" ... Then you'll just have a sticker package with a rough ride, little flex and an on-road design. It would be nothing more than a sticker package with some lockers, like the AT4, like the Ford Tremor. The suspension capabilities of the Power Wagon is one of the defining features of it, combined with the unlocking sway bar, coil springs, locking diffs and winch make it far above and beyond these Ford or GMC competitors. You compromise any of those 4 things and you're going to have a disappointing on-road truck with a sticker package.
Exactly! I'm a big off roader and back in my day I watched a S 10 blazer and a 1500 Z71 easily go places in mud that a F350 powestroke couldn't go! And the F 350 had two sizes bigger than stock tires!!
Then why not make it a half ton truck? I know the half tons don't have a proper front axle. I mean simply derate it like they did the mega cab 1500. The problem people have with it is it being called a HD and having no HD capability.
Ram doesnt put a diesel in the power wagon so they can conserve weight. It can have a softer suspension and better articulation. The cummins is heavy af
You could get a diesel in the "Power Wagon" just buy the 3/4 or 1 ton Ram and have the Power Wagon graphics and accessories added, but it would severely lesson its capability I'm sure with the added weight of the diesel.
@@DeezNuts-sx9jd You know I wasn't a fan of the Silverado at first - both 1500 and HD. However, certain trim levels and colour combinations have started to grow on me.
Mike C me too! Especially the new ones with the larger bottom from headlight lens. Im still not crazy about the real thin lens, but this new style has really grown on me. At first i hated them. Now to me the 2500 and 3500 has a real big intimidating front end. Also im loving the new il 6 duramax in the 1500.
I wonder if you'll be able to see your egr, water, trans temps on that heads up display with the diesel's that'd be pretty damn useful! I'm also wondering if they purposely made the gmc look better in order to boost sells of the Sierra...
This is usually the case with GM vehicles, polarizing at first but they grow on you. It's something different to look at and not a carbon copy of the competition. So many segments (like compact crossovers) look the same with different badges.
Really wish they had talked to some fifth wheel haulers to find out that we don't want the exhaust pointing at the front of our front storage compartment door.
Android tablet 100 dollars and can have bluetooth obd2 adapter just mount it somewhere...that's what I do when I buy a basic truck. You can also replace the basic stereo stacks in some trucks with aftermarket Sony or kenwood that you into factory steering wheel controls
Can you ask the Engineers who's bright (dumb) idea it was to eliminate the adjustable pedals from the 2020's? Also, for $70-80k, why don't they include the power-adjustable steering wheel found in the Escalade? You'd think at this price point, that would be standard!
Awesome truck and a great upgrade from the pervious body style but I can’t get over how bad Roman keeps bashing GM. It seems like TFL are very biased against GM trucks. They say something good about the truck and then say that the other brands did it better. All I’m saying is that we need to keep these reviews unbiased. All manufacturers make mistakes and have problems. Anyway great review and I support TFL fully.
Reminds me of why I dumped my 2015 Silverado for a 2019 Ram, their interior just looks and feels cheap and their electronic systems have constant issues.
7:22 To answer your question about where the Diesel for the power-wagon is... Putting a diesel in an off-road package truck is a terrible idea: 1. Weight: Heavier on the front end makes it more likely to dip lower on obstacles (harder smacks) when the weight is shifting/bouncing over rocks. More likely to break ball joints, steering linkage, rims, and tires. Less balanced weight (more up front) makes it less stable on obstacles. The heavier engine also puts more weight up HIGH making it less stable off-road. 2. Power band: Diesels put down power after spooling up a turbo. At low RPM this can take several seconds before delivering power, and several seconds to STOP delivering power after lifting the pedal. This is VERY BAD for offroad driving. A good ole fashion naturally aspirated small block V8 has way more instantaneous torque available at idle-1500RPM than a diesel, and the ability to quench that power output instantly by closing a throttle plate. For driving technical offroad situations that is FAR SUPERIOR. For yanking someone out of a ditch or rocking yourself out of a ditch, the NA Gas engine is a better solution all day long. Turbo Diesel's are much better suited to highway towing applications where their STEADY STATE CONTINUOUS BROADBAND POWER delivery is far superior (especially at elevation). On a trail, there is nothing "steady" about the power requirements or the power delivery of a diesel. The choice to keep a traditional gas engine in the Power Wagon demonstrates competence on Dodge's part. Ford would be smart to offer their new 7.4L gaser in an HD off-road edition, NOT the powerstroke.
I didn't take notice if the trailer is aluminum or not but my 24 footer weighs 3120lbs. So there's no way this combo is much over 10k if at all. Unless there's some sh*t behind that Canyon. Most of these trailers are rated at 9999 anyway because of CDL concerns.
@Matt France - Nailed it. Engineering is VERY complex and well-thought-out these days on American pick-up trucks. Throwing the 6.7L Cummins in the Power Wagon changes its formula end-to-end. The Power Wagon simply needs an optional supercharged 6.4L Hemi or upcoming 7.0L Hemi V8. Yes, mileage will suffer compared to a diesel option as well as max tow, but the Power Wagon is a true off-roader, unlike the Trail Boss and AT4 which are just marginally off-road enhanced trucks. In smaller off-roaders where towing, cooling, and other heavy-duty beef isn't needed, light diesels make a lot of sense for their low-end torque and efficiency, where only a few hundred extra pounds of engine mass doesn't kill front suspension capabilities.
@@boduke9428 not everybody can afford the extra 10k for a diesel but still want a nice truck. In my case i tow on average 13-15k ibs. Sometimes only 7k. And an hd gasser does great at that weight and doesnt hurt my wallet. Ive had diesels and they are super powerful. But its not worth the extra cost "for my case". Plus more expensive maintenance and fuel cost. Reguardless of better fuel economy in the diesel you wont save a penny from that
@@toofastnobrakes I apologize, after rereading my comment realized how douchy it was. I wanted to say it would be less in demand for them to make the videos due to far fewer of them being sold to personal customers. Also that extra initial expense can come much closer to being recouped on resale than the gas equivalent.
@@boduke9428 its np I get that. But i think it would be in there interest to show all of the new powertrain options. There are cosumers for every option. And i know it will never out preform the duramax. But chevy designed the new 6.6 gaser for a reason. And im curious how well it preforms compared to the others in its segment.
Lt tires wear crazy fast if you use the truck as intended those duratracs would be toast in a year. Gm made a good choice on tires for the 2500 i think
Mohammed Nuredin yes sir! Ford will once again spank everyone’s ass here real soon. Sept release date baby. Ford has sold a f-series truck every 23 secs, not one but two manufacturers combined can compete with those numbers
It’s not just a branded by Allison. Allison adds a HD clutch pack ( critical for low RPM high torque) and specific tuning and cooling which has been the weak point for Ford and GM HD diesel pickups for many years.
My truck has regular black towhooks, I just removed them and painted them black now I have an offroad truck. I also added a couple offroad stickers I printed off to make it completely offroad capable.
The single arm mirrors aren't bad, I prefer the dual arm on my 2016 Silverado, but please put them back at the bottom of the A pillar where they should be. I don't like them on the door nor do I believe them coming out of the door will not cause body damage over time with snow and ice getting in behind them. Where I live we'll be due our first snow fall first week of October and will have it through April, I guess time will tell...
I have a hunch that GM diesel mechanics will be replacing quite a few fuel systems now that the Def fill is next to the diesel fill. It was not even a thought when the fill was under the hood. I know it sounds dumb, but a big issue in diesel land is putting Def in the diesel fill hole. The nozel is smaller and when you're not use to it, you got big problems!!! This happened to a close friend of mine and believe it or not, his insurance covered it...was called fuel contamination. Check that one out before you borrow your truck to someone.. like your spouse!
They "put a lot of thought" into the design of the truck...except...updating the interior center stack. However, I still love the truck, and plan on getting it one day.
Here's a tip from a retired long distance truck driver from Australia. if the vehicle is equipped with an engine or exhaust brake, USE the damn thing ALL THE TIME. towing or not towing. in the long run it will save you money on brake pads as it will extend their lives. America, the only place in the world that a 'hand brake' is called an emergency brake, drivers reuse to drive an automatic as a 'manual' to help reduce wear on the engine and exhaust brakes are for show.
I’d love to buy a power wagon! But there’s no way I’m spending that much just to buy some gas hog and have single digit mpg when towing. I also understand that the Cummins just is bad idea too. Why can’t ram build a super charged v8 or a hellcat motor that would give more power and better fuel economy. I am not spending 70k and get 12 mpg daily driving and 8 or 9 towing a camper. I can spend a little more and get the AT4 with duramax. Now just gotta figure how to add winch without messing with the front camera 🤔
This dude gets to test one of the best trucks on the face of the Earth and he still talking about ram even though this one's already been proven better in just about every category! and it's still American made baby!
This seems to be a very nice truck. I have been wondering if anybody is going to make a small truck that is 4wd with a low stants (like the 91 s10) that a person can get into and out of with no problem. Everybody has gone to riding high on larger tires and higher ground clearance. It is not comfortable to get in and out of.
Nope everyone wants these bloated over-sized trucks to cruise the mall parking lot in unfortunately they left the working class out when the automakers stopped making simple compact pickups for actually using for work. Don't know about anyone else but you need a ladder to reach over the side of today's truck beds to get stuff in and out of them, pretty ridiculous.
For those of us who don’t tow but haul modern heavy 5000 lb truck campers, can you do a review on max payload with these trucks? IKE gauntlet mpg with heavy TC weight?
I do agree that the electronic disconnects and hidden winch are top notch on the Dodge Power Wagon. But I have a serious question. Why do you think that the solid front axle on the Dog is better than the IFS GM trucks when it comes to off-road situations? There are countless vehicles out there with IFS and/or 4 wheel independent suspension set ups that not only keep up with solid axle vehicles, but even exceed their capabilities, in both in stock form and heavily modified.
It would be nice if GM offered a PW competitor. Put the new Allison 10 speed behind the new 6.6 gasser, offer true locking front and rear diffs, upgraded transfer case, couple inch lift with more articulation, and a factory 15k Warn winch.
No, it’s an Allison tuned/upgraded. It’s the Ford/GM co-developed 10 speed that’s had an Allison clutch pack and input and tail shaft upgrades. It has nothing to do with branding, they just took an already strong trans and made it a bit stronger.
GM/Ford transmission is a half ton transmission, which is different, GM is built their own with the approval of Allison, which is why they call it Allison branded
I traded in a 2016 GMC 3500 dually diesel for a 2020 GMC AT4. The visibility from inside this truck is much better than my old truck and I'm glad they lost the front air dam and raised the DEF tank. I see they have the cargo capacity on your video as 3862 lbs. Not sure how that vehicle is equipped but mine with the diesel and 4WD is only rated for 2400 lbs. Disappointing while looking at truck campers. Overall I really like the truck but that overhead camera is a little discerning. I feel like I'm being watched. Where does that view come from?
I think the new GMC HD is very striking from the outside, but that interior, especially for a top of the line Denali just looks 10 years old, especially compared to the new Ram.. I do like the heads-up display though.
I just saw a 2020 2500 AT4 at the dealership that had only 1400 lbs payload. I am trying to wrap my head around what options make a 1500 lbs weight difference between that truck and the one featured in this video.
@Roscoe Dogg I did not recall the GVWR it was the 1400 pound payload that stuck out to me. I'm going to assume that it has the same GVWR as the trucks you saw, and then it was just optioned out in some way that ate up another 1500 lbs
Love you guys but have to admit I'm not as excited to see new videos as o once was. Seems like same thing mentioned in video after video. I get need for content but how many times do I need shown block heater plug on GMC? That's just an example
@@clinte9897 yes....you will not find a better transmission. I see what we do to them in our test stands and no one in real world situations will come close to what they are put through. Even though they are not a "true" Allison, they have all the specs from us.
The Fast Lane Truck I would love to see how the 10 speed compares to the 6 speed pulling the same load in the same conditions. Accelerating, exhaust brake etc...
Wow really love the look of this, so modern and aggressive, but I stay loyal my lifetime fav truck the Silverado, The 2500HD TrailBoss is also a good one. My fav.
Can someone explain a discrepancy I see in the video? At 1:45 the trucks sticker says the maximum payload is 2998 lbs. At 16:45 the placard hanging from the logs states maximum payload as 3862 lbs.
Gm, please, PLEASE, stop making the front bumpers 4 inches off the ground. Anyone that buys a truck does NOT care about that extra 0.0002 mpg you get by having an air dam that scrapes the ground. First thing I did when I got my truck was pull that off and cut the tabs off, my wrx had better front bumper clearance then my z71. And anyone who has had a 2014 wrx knows what I’m talking about.
So I drive over that Jackson Hole pass on about a daily basis, during your testing did you guys take it over? How did it do? I’m bummed I missed you guys! I love your channel and would’ve loved to have met you guys!!
Tire size on the At4 with the 20 inch wheel option is a 34.1 inch total diameter. The so called 35 on the Tremor is 34.8. Without the 20 inch wheel option the overall diameter on the At4 is only 33.2 inches. I cant get a long box with the Tremor package so my only option is the GMC At4 if I want my long box. Wont buy a Chevy. Lol.
I actually really like the exterior styling of the gmc. It’s waaay better than the Silverado in my opinion, but those mirrors I just can’t bring myself to like. I’ve seen a few around town and even in person I still just find them goofy looking and just ruin a good looking truck.
They could level it like the the Ford tremor is supposed to be. Above all, my point is that GMC is asking a lot for AT4 branding but not really making it “off road” capable. Other than color matched bumpers, different rims, badges, and skid plates what are you getting for almost 80k
Most offroad packages don't give you anything offroad useful at all, a limited slip or locker if you are lucky, but most times its just some cute little badges and some shocks that make the vehicle ride like shit.
William Todd my 2017 F-150 has the FX4 package and it’s a good amount taller than the 2wd variant. Also it has skid plates, e locking diff, hill descent control, 18” wheels, and off road tuned shocks. I’ve driven a loaner 2wd and it rides completely different. The 2wd was much stiffer and offered better highway stability but sucked on crappy bumpy roads in comparison to my truck.
Just want to put this little grain of sand out there. Ford will probably have 1000+ ft lbs and like 450 hp right? Ok soooooo what's stopping them from adding the hybridized system that the Lincoln aviator 10 speed has to boost horsepower to the 550 range and torque to the 1200+ range?
Does any guy here honestly think it’s safe to tow over 20,000 lbs with these trucks? I tow on average 10-12k. Occasionally I get into the 14-16k range and let me tell you I know I’m not stopping anytime soon. I just feel these truck manufacturers are all about putting out numbers. Anyone agree?
michael denave I get what ur saying but larger frames, larger brakes, bigger motors with exhaust brakes gets you the bigger towing numbers and all the mfg are headed that way toward big rigs
I have a class "A" CDL. Trailers over 3,500lbs are supposed to have their own brakes. I have done heavy haul loads that were up to 227,000lbs combination. The trailer had 16 wheels. And the brakes of the trailer will stop the truck! The brakes for the truck are for the truck and the cargo within the truck.
Mr Sunshines first of all your sentence structure is terrible. A 8,200 lb truck towing 40 tons? And I’m the dummy? Last it’s always interesting why some guys on the internet have to shoot there mouths off for no reason. I live in Orange County NY if you ever want to talk trucks in person .
To me GMCs look better than the Chevys
A rotting fish looks better than the Silverado's face...
I think it would be safe to say that to almost everyone the GMC's look better lol
GMC is supposed to be the truck version of Buick so its about 10 percent more for same truck. Too bad the Denali still pales compared to the top of line rams on wood trim vs plastic and uconnect
@@chrishill6788 That tablet for the infotainment system is ridiculous. In this age where everyone is distracted by electronics, why put in a display that you have to look down off the road to use? Stupid!
But at least the Chevy looks better than it did.
I'm not big on tech but that 'transparent trailer' camera getup is absolutely the bomb. Well done, GM.
Stop asking for a diesel power wagon. I have a Cummins, you don't want a truck with 5,000 lbs over the front axle off-road. You also don't want a diesel that can only tow 10k pounds. It's limited to that by the soft suspension, "so put airbags on or stiffen the springs" ... Then you'll just have a sticker package with a rough ride, little flex and an on-road design. It would be nothing more than a sticker package with some lockers, like the AT4, like the Ford Tremor. The suspension capabilities of the Power Wagon is one of the defining features of it, combined with the unlocking sway bar, coil springs, locking diffs and winch make it far above and beyond these Ford or GMC competitors. You compromise any of those 4 things and you're going to have a disappointing on-road truck with a sticker package.
Matt France totally agree with u
Exactly! I'm a big off roader and back in my day I watched a S 10 blazer and a 1500 Z71 easily go places in mud that a F350 powestroke couldn't go! And the F 350 had two sizes bigger than stock tires!!
They should stick the 3L Ecodiesel in the Power Wagon
Then why not make it a half ton truck? I know the half tons don't have a proper front axle. I mean simply derate it like they did the mega cab 1500. The problem people have with it is it being called a HD and having no HD capability.
@@boduke9428 what do you mean by a proper front axle???
Ram doesnt put a diesel in the power wagon so they can conserve weight. It can have a softer suspension and better articulation. The cummins is heavy af
You could get a diesel in the "Power Wagon" just buy the 3/4 or 1 ton Ram and have the Power Wagon graphics and accessories added, but it would severely lesson its capability I'm sure with the added weight of the diesel.
That is a beautiful truck! Really liking the new 2020 HDs from GM...
Mike C Me too. They are gorgeous
Looks like they ripped off the tundra
Mike C the Sierra I like but can't stand the HD Silverado
@@DeezNuts-sx9jd You know I wasn't a fan of the Silverado at first - both 1500 and HD. However, certain trim levels and colour combinations have started to grow on me.
Mike C me too! Especially the new ones with the larger bottom from headlight lens. Im still not crazy about the real thin lens, but this new style has really grown on me. At first i hated them. Now to me the 2500 and 3500 has a real big intimidating front end. Also im loving the new il 6 duramax in the 1500.
I wonder if you'll be able to see your egr, water, trans temps on that heads up display with the diesel's that'd be pretty damn useful! I'm also wondering if they purposely made the gmc look better in order to boost sells of the Sierra...
Jo k.
The GMC is just perfect , They killed the silverado front end it Terrible
Procharged67 It grew on me, I used to hate them but now I love them
@@canihavealongnamepleasebos4507 I agree especially after seeing them in person. I wouldn't hesitate to drive one
This is usually the case with GM vehicles, polarizing at first but they grow on you. It's something different to look at and not a carbon copy of the competition. So many segments (like compact crossovers) look the same with different badges.
Can I have a long name Please boss same! I think I’m gonna get one
Passed a Silverado HD the other day and it’s looks better in person. Not as good as the GMC but, nice in its own way.
Really wish they had talked to some fifth wheel haulers to find out that we don't want the exhaust pointing at the front of our front storage compartment door.
Still can’t make a touch screen that works every time. Same problem on my 2017. Ridiculous for what these cost.
My tundras touch screen works great.
Mr M my phone touch screen works great
The Rams touch screen is really bad.
Android tablet 100 dollars and can have bluetooth obd2 adapter just mount it somewhere...that's what I do when I buy a basic truck. You can also replace the basic stereo stacks in some trucks with aftermarket Sony or kenwood that you into factory steering wheel controls
Same with my 2017 GMC Acadia. That screen sucks compared to my 2018 Ford F250.
Can you ask the Engineers who's bright (dumb) idea it was to eliminate the adjustable pedals from the 2020's?
Also, for $70-80k, why don't they include the power-adjustable steering wheel found in the Escalade? You'd think at this price point, that would be standard!
My pedals haven't moved in 3 years of owning the truck, still at lowest position. Steering wheel never gets moved in and out either,
Hopefully by 2022 GM will address all the shortcomings. Mechanically its great but all the little things makes it fall short of an excellent truck.
I’m really liking that Summit White AT4
Was thinking the same thing.
Awesome truck and a great upgrade from the pervious body style but I can’t get over how bad Roman keeps bashing GM. It seems like TFL are very biased against GM trucks. They say something good about the truck and then say that the other brands did it better. All I’m saying is that we need to keep these reviews unbiased. All manufacturers make mistakes and have problems. Anyway great review and I support TFL fully.
Roman is a Mopar fan.
Friggin beautiful truck! Glad the touchscreen is just as unresponsive as the one in my 2016. 😁
@GoneDroning my 2019 was like this too i'm chevy,gmc for life but man they need to fix this crap
@@owenbrunet1279 My buddy just got a 2020 1500 sierra slt and infotainment is very smooth now.
Reminds me of why I dumped my 2015 Silverado for a 2019 Ram, their interior just looks and feels cheap and their electronic systems have constant issues.
Better off going to a ford
There all shit! That's why you stick with the older stuff. Less electronics less problems
I had a 2014 sierra and never an issue in 137k miles. Still sits in my shop in case we need
7:22 To answer your question about where the Diesel for the power-wagon is... Putting a diesel in an off-road package truck is a terrible idea:
1. Weight: Heavier on the front end makes it more likely to dip lower on obstacles (harder smacks) when the weight is shifting/bouncing over rocks. More likely to break ball joints, steering linkage, rims, and tires. Less balanced weight (more up front) makes it less stable on obstacles. The heavier engine also puts more weight up HIGH making it less stable off-road.
2. Power band: Diesels put down power after spooling up a turbo. At low RPM this can take several seconds before delivering power, and several seconds to STOP delivering power after lifting the pedal. This is VERY BAD for offroad driving. A good ole fashion naturally aspirated small block V8 has way more instantaneous torque available at idle-1500RPM than a diesel, and the ability to quench that power output instantly by closing a throttle plate. For driving technical offroad situations that is FAR SUPERIOR. For yanking someone out of a ditch or rocking yourself out of a ditch, the NA Gas engine is a better solution all day long. Turbo Diesel's are much better suited to highway towing applications where their STEADY STATE CONTINUOUS BROADBAND POWER delivery is far superior (especially at elevation). On a trail, there is nothing "steady" about the power requirements or the power delivery of a diesel. The choice to keep a traditional gas engine in the Power Wagon demonstrates competence on Dodge's part. Ford would be smart to offer their new 7.4L gaser in an HD off-road edition, NOT the powerstroke.
I own an AT4 3500 long box, I love it, great truck, I get up to 27 mpg with my bike in the back
140000 puunds?
That canyon weighs about 4500 pounds.
I dont think that trailer will weight over 9000 pounds
I was wondering about that too.
I didn't take notice if the trailer is aluminum or not but my 24 footer weighs 3120lbs. So there's no way this combo is much over 10k if at all. Unless there's some sh*t behind that Canyon.
Most of these trailers are rated at 9999 anyway because of CDL concerns.
14000 gcvw
I bet they have steel plates and stuff in there too, they just put the canyon in for a prop and teaser.
@@dchawk81 exactly
@Matt France - Nailed it. Engineering is VERY complex and well-thought-out these days on American pick-up trucks. Throwing the 6.7L Cummins in the Power Wagon changes its formula end-to-end. The Power Wagon simply needs an optional supercharged 6.4L Hemi or upcoming 7.0L Hemi V8. Yes, mileage will suffer compared to a diesel option as well as max tow, but the Power Wagon is a true off-roader, unlike the Trail Boss and AT4 which are just marginally off-road enhanced trucks.
In smaller off-roaders where towing, cooling, and other heavy-duty beef isn't needed, light diesels make a lot of sense for their low-end torque and efficiency, where only a few hundred extra pounds of engine mass doesn't kill front suspension capabilities.
Make more of these videos with the 6.6 gas engine
Please
Why? What person that can afford the diesel upgrade wants a less efficient, less capable truck? Those are sold far less for a reason.
@@boduke9428 not everybody can afford the extra 10k for a diesel but still want a nice truck. In my case i tow on average 13-15k ibs. Sometimes only 7k. And an hd gasser does great at that weight and doesnt hurt my wallet. Ive had diesels and they are super powerful. But its not worth the extra cost "for my case". Plus more expensive maintenance and fuel cost. Reguardless of better fuel economy in the diesel you wont save a penny from that
@@toofastnobrakes I apologize, after rereading my comment realized how douchy it was. I wanted to say it would be less in demand for them to make the videos due to far fewer of them being sold to personal customers. Also that extra initial expense can come much closer to being recouped on resale than the gas equivalent.
@@boduke9428 its np I get that. But i think it would be in there interest to show all of the new powertrain options. There are cosumers for every option. And i know it will never out preform the duramax. But chevy designed the new 6.6 gaser for a reason. And im curious how well it preforms compared to the others in its segment.
How does an eclosed trailer hauling a mid size pickup add up to 14,000LBS? Seems like it is about 9000lbs more realistically.
David Hillbrand that’s what I was thinking
David Hillbrand they added ballast in the trailer as well to get to 14,000 lbs
Today's new math makes 9000lbs = 14000lbs.
14,000 pounds with 6 lug wheels on the trailer? 🤔🤔🤔 Aka 5,200 pound axles
Marketing for the dummies who don’t know math
Lt tires wear crazy fast if you use the truck as intended those duratracs would be toast in a year. Gm made a good choice on tires for the 2500 i think
I found on 2020Ford super duty order gide Trailer Tow Package (F-450)
GCWR Reg Cab - 45,300 lbs
Which means max towing is 37000 lbs
Mohammed Nuredin yes sir! Ford will once again spank everyone’s ass here real soon. Sept release date baby. Ford has sold a f-series truck every 23 secs, not one but two manufacturers combined can compete with those numbers
Wow huge numbers too bad Ford tots out like an old piece of Tim foil
@@FordF-Super Chevy sell more the difference is gmc sales and Chevrolet are counted apart
F450 is not a 3/4 ton truck. Not apples to apples.
The towing weights are brilliant but the reason they can tow that much is the amount of gear ratios the new transmission has.
It’s not just a branded by Allison. Allison adds a HD clutch pack ( critical for low RPM high torque) and specific tuning and cooling which has been the weak point for Ford and GM HD diesel pickups for many years.
Get us some 6.6 Gas content! Please!!!!
Awesome review Roman. That truck looks like a beast. Thanks for sharing TFL.
My truck has regular black towhooks, I just removed them and painted them black now I have an offroad truck. I also added a couple offroad stickers I printed off to make it completely offroad capable.
This Allison was developed and branded just like the last Allison. It's all good.
The single arm mirrors aren't bad, I prefer the dual arm on my 2016 Silverado, but please put them back at the bottom of the A pillar where they should be. I don't like them on the door nor do I believe them coming out of the door will not cause body damage over time with snow and ice getting in behind them. Where I live we'll be due our first snow fall first week of October and will have it through April, I guess time will tell...
I see GMC has not fixed their touchscreen from 2017.
I have a hunch that GM diesel mechanics will be replacing quite a few fuel systems now that the Def fill is next to the diesel fill. It was not even a thought when the fill was under the hood. I know it sounds dumb, but a big issue in diesel land is putting Def in the diesel fill hole. The nozel is smaller and when you're not use to it, you got big problems!!! This happened to a close friend of mine and believe it or not, his insurance covered it...was called fuel contamination. Check that one out before you borrow your truck to someone.. like your spouse!
I remember when it first came out and that was exactly why they did not have them together
They "put a lot of thought" into the design of the truck...except...updating the interior center stack. However, I still love the truck, and plan on getting it one day.
Never get a GM review without the constant mention of DODGE/RAM..
GM formed Allison decades ago. They sold off most of the company to the Carlyle group several years ago.
You can still see the HUD with polarized shades, no issues.. I have the new HC 2500HD.
I'll tow more than rock climb down here in the south. Plus, I like black interior, easy to clean interiors. So AT4 for me.
Here's a tip from a retired long distance truck driver from Australia. if the vehicle is equipped with an engine or exhaust brake, USE the damn thing ALL THE TIME. towing or not towing. in the long run it will save you money on brake pads as it will extend their lives. America, the only place in the world that a 'hand brake' is called an emergency brake, drivers reuse to drive an automatic as a 'manual' to help reduce wear on the engine and exhaust brakes are for show.
Handbrake. Haven’t heard that since the 70s when they moved it to the floor.
I’d love to buy a power wagon! But there’s no way I’m spending that much just to buy some gas hog and have single digit mpg when towing. I also understand that the Cummins just is bad idea too. Why can’t ram build a super charged v8 or a hellcat motor that would give more power and better fuel economy. I am not spending 70k and get 12 mpg daily driving and 8 or 9 towing a camper. I can spend a little more and get the AT4 with duramax. Now just gotta figure how to add winch without messing with the front camera 🤔
One of my favorite episodes.... very good job!!!.... this narrows my choices for my next truck.
This dude gets to test one of the best trucks on the face of the Earth and he still talking about ram even though this one's already been proven better in just about every category! and it's still American made baby!
Taking deliver of my 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4 this coming Monday(5-11-2020)...
Those beautiful yellow side markers would be the first mod to go (if I could afford a GMC diesel less than 10 years old)
This seems to be a very nice truck. I have been wondering if anybody is going to make a small truck that is 4wd with a low stants (like the 91 s10) that a person can get into and out of with no problem. Everybody has gone to riding high on larger tires and higher ground clearance. It is not comfortable to get in and out of.
Nope everyone wants these bloated over-sized trucks to cruise the mall parking lot in unfortunately they left the working class out when the automakers stopped making simple compact pickups for actually using for work. Don't know about anyone else but you need a ladder to reach over the side of today's truck beds to get stuff in and out of them, pretty ridiculous.
For those of us who don’t tow but haul modern heavy 5000 lb truck campers, can you do a review on max payload with these trucks? IKE gauntlet mpg with heavy TC weight?
I do agree that the electronic disconnects and hidden winch are top notch on the Dodge Power Wagon. But I have a serious question. Why do you think that the solid front axle on the Dog is better than the IFS GM trucks when it comes to off-road situations? There are countless vehicles out there with IFS and/or 4 wheel independent suspension set ups that not only keep up with solid axle vehicles, but even exceed their capabilities, in both in stock form and heavily modified.
It would be nice if GM offered a PW competitor. Put the new Allison 10 speed behind the new 6.6 gasser, offer true locking front and rear diffs, upgraded transfer case, couple inch lift with more articulation, and a factory 15k Warn winch.
WOW!!! that black one is Dreamy!!! I have an 2018 Duramax Midnight Edition HD and love it but Jeez got me wanting this now.
SO much better than the Silverado. I really do like the "big rig" look of that front end, as well. Well done, GMC!
I have absolutely no use for a truck but I would love the crew cab HD at4 in black
No, it’s an Allison tuned/upgraded. It’s the Ford/GM co-developed 10 speed that’s had an Allison clutch pack and input and tail shaft upgrades. It has nothing to do with branding, they just took an already strong trans and made it a bit stronger.
GM/Ford transmission is a half ton transmission, which is different, GM is built their own with the approval of Allison, which is why they call it Allison branded
I traded in a 2016 GMC 3500 dually diesel for a 2020 GMC AT4. The visibility from inside this truck is much better than my old truck and I'm glad they lost the front air dam and raised the DEF tank. I see they have the cargo capacity on your video as 3862 lbs. Not sure how that vehicle is equipped but mine with the diesel and 4WD is only rated for 2400 lbs. Disappointing while looking at truck campers. Overall I really like the truck but that overhead camera is a little discerning. I feel like I'm being watched. Where does that view come from?
Just priced one on the web. $71k. I’m sure you could get that down but still, that’s a lot of money.
I think the new GMC HD is very striking from the outside, but that interior, especially for a top of the line Denali just looks 10 years old, especially compared to the new Ram.. I do like the heads-up display though.
there seems to be some subtleties between the gmc at4 and the denali but also do the chevy 2500 hd along side the 2. Would love to see it!
I just saw a 2020 2500 AT4 at the dealership that had only 1400 lbs payload. I am trying to wrap my head around what options make a 1500 lbs weight difference between that truck and the one featured in this video.
@Roscoe Dogg 100 percent. Talked extensively with the salesman about that truck, while I made fun of its tiny payload.
@Roscoe Dogg I did not recall the GVWR it was the 1400 pound payload that stuck out to me. I'm going to assume that it has the same GVWR as the trucks you saw, and then it was just optioned out in some way that ate up another 1500 lbs
Love you guys but have to admit I'm not as excited to see new videos as o once was. Seems like same thing mentioned in video after video. I get need for content but how many times do I need shown block heater plug on GMC? That's just an example
I work at Allison Transmission. The transmission in the GM product is NOT a true Allison transmission. They have our specs, but that is where it ends.
Michael Partin well are they worth a crap?
@@clinte9897 yes....you will not find a better transmission. I see what we do to them in our test stands and no one in real world situations will come close to what they are put through. Even though they are not a "true" Allison, they have all the specs from us.
This content is why I subscribe. How is the 10 speed transmission? Smooth as silk I’ve heard
One of the best videos I’ve watched on the new GMC thank you
Literally all I wanted from this video was to see the Gauge cluster under acceleration, but no romans face is more important
Our fault. Next time we’ll show the speedo.
The Fast Lane Truck I would love to see how the 10 speed compares to the 6 speed pulling the same load in the same conditions. Accelerating, exhaust brake etc...
Wow really love the look of this, so modern and aggressive, but I stay loyal my lifetime fav truck the Silverado, The 2500HD TrailBoss is also a good one. My fav.
Can someone explain a discrepancy I see in the video? At 1:45 the trucks sticker says the maximum payload is 2998 lbs. At 16:45 the placard hanging from the logs states maximum payload as 3862 lbs.
Ooooooh so the Off-Road AT4 is designed for mostly Towing.... glad he said that!
....alright then Tremor vs. Power Wagon it is then.
Gm, please, PLEASE, stop making the front bumpers 4 inches off the ground. Anyone that buys a truck does NOT care about that extra 0.0002 mpg you get by having an air dam that scrapes the ground. First thing I did when I got my truck was pull that off and cut the tabs off, my wrx had better front bumper clearance then my z71. And anyone who has had a 2014 wrx knows what I’m talking about.
So I drive over that Jackson Hole pass on about a daily basis, during your testing did you guys take it over? How did it do? I’m bummed I missed you guys! I love your channel and would’ve loved to have met you guys!!
Tire size on the At4 with the 20 inch wheel option is a 34.1 inch total diameter. The so called 35 on the Tremor is 34.8. Without the 20 inch wheel option the overall diameter on the At4 is only 33.2 inches. I cant get a long box with the Tremor package so my only option is the GMC At4 if I want my long box. Wont buy a Chevy. Lol.
7:45 0-60
Looks like the measurements were off a tad on the camera calibration for the transparent trailer.
That response of the camera was great 😂🤣😂🤦♂️
Those black rims are boss
I actually really like the exterior styling of the gmc. It’s waaay better than the Silverado in my opinion, but those mirrors I just can’t bring myself to like. I’ve seen a few around town and even in person I still just find them goofy looking and just ruin a good looking truck.
I love the side markers!!!
Camera switch malfunction...an unfortunate sign of things to come with gms and cheap electronics...😣
Everyone makes it as cheap as possible these days. That's why you stick with the older simpler trucks.
LOL "Works like a charm!" Lets see how well everything works in just five years.. So complex.
Hey now! Gaaaaaaaaaryyyyyyyyyy
@@Rocksolidbullys Completely agree. They all do it, and older is awesome.
@@BullittKid08 hahaha yeah from when I listened to stern.
Jonny's design is badass!!!! Build one...
10k is extra for a paint job and skid plates? They didn’t give us the 2 inch lift.
Dana Reynolds A lift would sacrifice towing capability because it would squat too much. After all it is a hd truck made for towing
They could level it like the the Ford tremor is supposed to be. Above all, my point is that GMC is asking a lot for AT4 branding but not really making it “off road” capable. Other than color matched bumpers, different rims, badges, and skid plates what are you getting for almost 80k
Dana Reynolds That’s true but in my opinion the at4 is the best looking trim. Probably not worth the extra money like you said though
They need to upgrade to Falcon Shocks, NATO tires and manual dif lockers
Do yall not consider a FX4 package as an offroad package
Most offroad packages don't give you anything offroad useful at all, a limited slip or locker if you are lucky, but most times its just some cute little badges and some shocks that make the vehicle ride like shit.
William Todd my 2017 F-150 has the FX4 package and it’s a good amount taller than the 2wd variant. Also it has skid plates, e locking diff, hill descent control, 18” wheels, and off road tuned shocks. I’ve driven a loaner 2wd and it rides completely different. The 2wd was much stiffer and offered better highway stability but sucked on crappy bumpy roads in comparison to my truck.
There is a distinct sound when you let off or back off the gas peddle. Especially with a diesel. How about you try that 0 to 60 again.
By the sound of the conversation about the tires I’m assuming they still can fit very big tires
Apparently 37" fit nicely.
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I want this so badly.
you talk to them but never ask what happens when you open the upper tailgate step with a hitch in
It probably is just me but I could care less about 0-60 if I am buying a serious tow vehicle.
Just want to put this little grain of sand out there. Ford will probably have 1000+ ft lbs and like 450 hp right? Ok soooooo what's stopping them from adding the hybridized system that the Lincoln aviator 10 speed has to boost horsepower to the 550 range and torque to the 1200+ range?
Does any guy here honestly think it’s safe to tow over 20,000 lbs with these trucks? I tow on average 10-12k. Occasionally I get into the 14-16k range and let me tell you I know I’m not stopping anytime soon. I just feel these truck manufacturers are all about putting out numbers. Anyone agree?
michael denave I get what ur saying but larger frames, larger brakes, bigger motors with exhaust brakes gets you the bigger towing numbers and all the mfg are headed that way toward big rigs
michael denave Most people towing over 15k are pulling slow. Farmers etc. Not 70mph+. But I absolutely understand where you are coming from.
I have a class "A" CDL. Trailers over 3,500lbs are supposed to have their own brakes. I have done heavy haul loads that were up to 227,000lbs combination. The trailer had 16 wheels. And the brakes of the trailer will stop the truck!
The brakes for the truck are for the truck and the cargo within the truck.
Mr Sunshines first of all your sentence structure is terrible. A 8,200 lb truck towing 40 tons? And I’m the dummy? Last it’s always interesting why some guys on the internet have to shoot there mouths off for no reason. I live in Orange County NY if you ever want to talk trucks in person .
Does the GM/Chevy HD trucks have the ability to adjust the gas and brake pedals?
I agree with the “branded” Allison. It’s not an Allison it’s just a borrowed name at this point.
Well how does it tow while loaded...well it's not a sports car but ya "its ok" lol!! 🙄🙄. Really reviews love it!!! Great really video.
It's an Allison trans dude. Just as the Ford probe wasn't called a Mazda, or the Mazda b series trucks weren't called rangers
EGGINFOOLS it’s not a Allison. Ford designed it.
@@jasonlarsen3515 No they didn't. Ford and GM did a joint design on the light duty 10 speed. Not the HD
Love this channel
Isnt this a GM and Ford transmission? They look exactly the same
Themightykasey I’m pretty sure it is. They co-designed the 10R80/10L90 so I’m sure these new 10spds in the trucks are a similar beefed up design
@@390nm but this transmission is GM-ALISON
Reynaldo Mancillas yeah ur right on that one, I’m just assuming they would use the same 10spds like before
Reynaldo Mancillas “Alison branded” the internals are ford designed.
This trans has nothing to do with the GM/Ford 10 speed in the 1500.
Should have asked what engineer forgot to put a feature in so tailgate won’t hit the towbar
Nice review Roman👍
Wow. I love the AT4 HD. but we really want to see it on the IKE doing what it was made for TOWING huge loads Love your videos thx for sharing ....paul
so at4= tires, shocks and skid plate? lol thats what they use to compeat with the power wagon?
To bad GMC stopped making regular cabs for those of us that use our trucks to make a living
There must be a c8 Vette in there! Awesome!
Darn, that’s not cool!
I think ram will eventually put the Cummins in I think when the tremor comes out ram will put the Cummins in just how the market is now
Hey Nathan I have a question for you what’s the number of the color that you use to die your hair I like it
GMC outside look A inside look C. Ram outside look A inside look A. Ford Tremor Outside look A inside look B