"If you're between sizes of anything, that's a round-about way of saying it just doesn't fit you." Truth! Excellent video (coming from someone who has spent way too much on cycling shoes and has had to learn the hard way that Lake shoes are worth it.)
So as a general rule, once the shoe is on, it should make contact all around, but not create pressure anywhere, but nor have any movement in the shoe in any direction? I really should do some proper research and get a shoe that "really" fits once and for all. Only bummer is preferring to use things like Northwave Outcross for my commute. One day I will get it all right lol. Thanks for the great video as ever, and the words of wisdom from James.
One of James' mantras seems to be cleat location. I took his video advice and moved mine rearward... and wouldn't you know it! Much better! Almost transformative. Thank you!
So true, a good percentage of the time I am hoping it is a video about James and fitting. Loved it when he was asked what's the best shoe and the answer was a shoe that fits! Cracked me up!
I know im asking randomly but does someone know a method to log back into an Instagram account? I stupidly lost the login password. I appreciate any tricks you can give me!
I bought Northwave Core Plus 2 extra wide cycling shoes last week and they fit pretty well. The problem I had was to unclip fast enough our of the clipless pedals (LOOK 296 Elite / LOOK KEO with red cleats). Changed now to grey cleats because I didn't like the amount of floating of the red cleats (9 degrees) that much. Unless the grey cleats give more knee problems I will go back to red cleats probably.
After watching almost all the videos featuring James, I've concluded that I need to pack up my bike, shoes, and all spare parts, and head across the pond to get a proper bike fit. If only I could cycle there ...
@@Cade_Media oh good. Can you please ask some of the previous ones what excuse they gave the wife? I’m running out of good ones for spending more money on my habit.
i'm going to CX403W, after had spent loads of money on two Sidi Wire and a Specialized Torch 3.0... I hope this time it will be the best. I have 112mm wide foot Thanks for the video, love you channel.
It’s an expensive mistake I found out this week. I bought sidi without trying them on and had a cleat fit this week as I couldn’t get on with them. The sidi I can’t get the cleat far enough back and thought they fitted fine but tried lake 237 and the model up and the difference in comfort is unbelievable and the lakes have got more adjustment for cleat position. I haven’t got wide feet either so it wasn’t that.
After 36 yrs of riding and racing road, cx, and mtb and setting myself up on each bike (bike fitters are not all created equal!) I just now think James would know me and my fit needs better than me, myself, and I! Worth a UK trip after covid...
How good would this not be if slowed down a tad, maybe even like a discussion between several persons!! Absolutely love the knowledge of James, but these vids are way too short!!! =D
The carbon soles on my 20 year old Shimano R151 road shoes came off last week so I figured it was finally time to replace them. I was able to crazy glue them back on temporarily so I could keep on riding till I got new shoes, but then I remembered that I had a pair of even older Performance Bike shoes that I'd barely ever used. When I dug them up I saw on a barely legible label inside one of them that they were actually made by Lake. What do you know, I'd barely even heard of Lake until recently. So I've been alternating between them while deciding on which new shoes to get. I did finally end up getting a pair of Giro Regimes, which I really like. But I think I'll have to return them as they fit great but pinch the top of my feet just above the ball, painfully, and since the material is synthetic it'll never stretch and during rides as my feet swell the pain will just get worse. Now I'm leaning towards a paid of Shimano R702s, which I tried on in the store and liked but not as much as the Giro's. But if shoes don't feel right then they're the wrong shoe. I never even considered Lakes but I'll have a look. I hate buying shoes, bike, running, street. It's always a pain.
The edits are just as critical as the statements in this video. Fantastic duo for reviews. Please do a group set review together. Don’t forget the beer.
I spent money on a pro fitting and the first thing he did was to move my cleats rearward all the way. The foot-numbness I'd get on long rides vanished.
I've listened to James about the shoes,bin struggling with my very expensive sidi shoes to tight at front there really slim at the toe end so just ordered some lake shoes Thank you very much James you are my new Yoda,very good your are 👍🇬🇧
simon davis did you find a pair of Lakes that are the right length and width for you? I want to get some but my measurements for length and width don’t exactly match their charts.
Damn you James... if i hadn't watched your videos i wouldn't have known my bars were too wide or my shoes too big and i would have been happy! Happy i said!
Looks like i found another new idol! First Neil Stanbury and now Francis! Subscribed!!! The next time that I'm up that way... Will definitely try to stop in. 👍🏾
James often suggests getting a bike fit. IMO bike fits fail for a couple of reasons even if the fitter is competent. First they don’t fit you when your fatigued from a few hours of hard cycling. I find that that is when a slight misfit starts to show up. Legs don’t extend so well etc as muscles tire. Second point is that that they don’t teach you how you should go about fine tuning your position as your riding develops. I’ve learnt more from bike fit Tuesdays on a.... etc and I’ve been able to improve my position, comfort and power over the past year or so than ever before. I’d gladly pay for a fit that provides the education to develop ones position. Nick
I walked into my lbs and bought a pair of Scott shoes that were on sale with a massive discount. I went home put some cleats on them and have had no problems at all....I’m just blessed by God! 😁😉👍🏻
Great subject on shoes. I’ve got men’s size 6.5 shoes, about 39.5-40 euro. So usually I dip into the woman’s selection. I find the right length but the toe box is narrow. This “solution” often gives me numb toes. Now if Nike made cycling shoes I think they could work for me. That’s my shoe problem. Don’t get me started on the SHITTY WHEELS I have to ride on.
I discovered Bont Vaypor S wide fit in 2015 and it transformed my cycling- particularly on rides over 3 hours. I’ve just bought a second pair (42W). What is it James doesn’t like about Bont? Also best advice on fit ever was listening to James and lowering my saddle. Down 40mm from 720 to 680mm. Two bike fitters put me at 720mm and I’d told both about issues with my right foot and the feeling that it wasn’t fully planted. Especially after longer rides. Now at the lower height I’m more powerful and don’t have any saddle issues etc. The video where James bangs on about saddle height were spot on. So - what’s the problem with Bonts? Nick
Nick Mannerings depends on your feet, they’re very flat which doesn’t work for a lot of westerners and tends to promote plantar flexion (toe pointing), influencing leg extension and often switching off the glutes in the process
James Thomas thanks for the reply. I’m not sure what you mean by flat in relation to a cycling shoe. Clearly it rotates around the pedal spindle. I use G8 insoles - I used to use specialised but found the g8 better for me. What does flat mean for a cycling shoe? Nick
Hey quick question is there anyway that we can get a video regarding knee issues? And what could cause them? if there is already a video I'm sorry for asking thank-you.
I went to a bike shop in the North (A prominent one) who tried to sell me a pair of Bonts that were a size too small! They said you’ll get used to them! It a bloody Carbon fibre bathtube! I walked straight out of there.
My whole experience 3 years ago buying a bike and shoes was disastrous. Felts pushy like a car dealer. Wrong size bike and wrong size of shoes. Guy told me that shoes has to be tight. I was in so much pain, but I was naive(to not say stupid ). After bringing the bike like 7 times in a month with sounds here and there and finish finding a crack too the guy (dealer) accept the bike back (not too happy). The shoes I tossed them. Went to a place and find wider shoe, and no pushy sales man. They gave my space to find what i was looking for. I was told about lake shoes, but no shop carry it close of Orlando. Find some good Louis Garneau strike boa that are excellent. They are discontinue so will see for lake shoes in the future. 👍
You mentioned one of the Lake shoes in another video that are good for narrow feet, would you mind telling me what they are? Thanks, great video as always!
I have a 10mm stack under one shoe due to a short leg (bike fitter put it on, felt instantly better and have ridden many miles on it but am getting a bit of anterior knee pain). At the minute both cleats are as far back as they will go which is not that far back on these old shoes. I'm about to buy new shoes and was wondering, should the cleat on the stacked foot be further back to compensate? Any thoughts would be most welcome!
Couldnt agree more - why buy a car from a Dr?? Love my Lake CX 237s. Im thinking of upgrading, what model Lake would you recommend for wide feet. I got my feet measured in Australia but have moved to NZ- 45 wide
Best point made is the cleat position. Just bought a pair of Bont Vaypors, used them twice and now im selling them. My CX332's arrived today, Lake are the best shoes in the business. Adjustable cleat position. The Bonts were too far back.
They both make great shoes. Interesting you found the cleats to be too far back on the bonts. Usually people find the further they can go back the better! (Stabilizes the foot)
@@Cade_Media the Bonts are nice dont get me wrong, once moulded they felt secure, a little harsh feeling however, but nowhere near as snug and plush fittting as the Lakes, which went on like slippers and there is no pain felt anywhere. I have a big foot and like to ride right near the front of balls of my feet, and the Bonts felt too much near the middle of my foot with the front sticking out. But yes they do feel more planted in that respect.
So which would be the bigger issue, a little too long or a little too wide? For me I’ve found regular width shoes have to be too long or I can find wide width shoes that are the right length but a little too wide. Haven’t been able to find a perfect fit for both length and width.
I wonder what is his opinion on Luck cycling shoes (the spanish brand), they also make wide cycling shoes but they are kind of expensive if you don't live in Spain
Disagree with the comment about Sidi Mega wide -fit shoes being narrow. I have a pair and can easily see the difference between them and a normal Sidi fit. I have extremely wide feet and have always had to use a shoe stretcher to help on my cycling shoes. Buying cyling shoes for people like me is not easy. For normal shoes I like the brand by the name of Keen.
I'm struggling to get my cleats far enough back in my Lake CX237s. Are Shimano's cleat locations any further rearward? I promise i haven't sized up because I have wide feet :)
James sir - your advice My left foot is 5mm shorter. The CX 332 wide is the shoe for me. Would you buy A custom and have the left foot EU 42.5 and the right foot having EU 43, or just go with a 43 for both? Cheers Mark
I always have to buy 2 pair to get a pair that fits both right and left. I think we need to start an ebay cooperative for people have single unused shoes for sale.
Agree with 90% of what James says (he cuts through the bike fitting bull poo) but think your better off biting the bullet and going up from the 237, It's an okay shoe but quite heavy and the Lakes with the foldable heal cup are way better.
Maybe a strange question but can what you wear during the day effect you when you get on the bike? I wear flat work boots and do a lot of walking ,starting to think I should put support in them, what you guys think?
I don't know if you still read comments on old posts, but i'll try. I have Specialized shoes and since then I do not feel comfortable while cycling, it looks like the shoes are pushing my feet and knee somewhat outward. When I wear my old NW shoes, I don't have this feeling. After watching this video it became clear what is causing this feeling, the body geometry (anti pronation). @bikefitjames, is there something I can do to neutralise the anti-pronation?
Not sure if Specialized still sells these separately or along with their insoles still, but you need to take one of their valgus wedges and place it under the forefoot to counteract the effect of their built-in varus wedge. May help, may not, I guess outcomes vary.
lake cx 241s all the way9 out of 10 people have semi wide feet so lake caters to 9 out of 10 people cant wrong with the 241s and you can customize them with the boas and nufoam depending on your footshape
Hi Francis. Random question - how do we know if we have qualified for the wheel competition you did two days ago please?. Popped a late entry in so not sure if it will even be read or not. Not expecting to win but am off work for a week with bike crash injuries so have a lot of time to ponder a lot of things...and was pondering this :P
On the subject of cleat placement, you say to have the cleats further back. But what about toe overlap with the front wheel? Is this to be avoided? I have to move my cleats quite forward on my Specialized shoes and Diverge bike.
I have and always have had toe overlap on all of my bikes, including fixed gear race bike. Never been a problem. I guess if you're riding a MTB or something it might be (cornering at very low speed)
So, why are the *bleep* fucking shit? Is it just that they're narrow and the cleat position is too far forward? Or is it also construction or other issues?
Has James thought about documenting this stuff on his shop website? A Bike Fit EnCYCLOpedia. Having a reference on brand trends such as suggested saddle options, as well as shoe width as that is really insightful and a harder trend to notice. I have Louis Garneau road shoes that fit me perfect and Giro SPD that are narrow. Both are cheap and it makes me paranoid spending money on upgrade/replacements due to all the parameters. (especially as fit seems to be best noticed after some time in saddle to properly find foot placement/tightness of BOA) The more I hear from James, the more I respect his incredible knowledge.
Hey James, what do you think about the idea of finding your inseam for setting saddle height, then times it by 0.883? I did this then measured from the centre of the crank axle to the top of the saddle and found the saddle was 2cm too low which is huge! Is it accurate? Please help severe knee pain on the top and front of my knee. There are so many theories out there I don’t know who to listen to.
James Thomas I would but living in South Korea. They are years behind here. When I bought my bike they just put a length of wood between my legs and measured up from the floor to the top of the wood and set my saddle height. That’s as complex as it gets here!
James Thomas just tried it and went on a 40km ride. I’m glad to say for me that formula worked. Knee pain has now been switched OFF! Yesterday I rode 100km and I only just made it home. The last 10 km was hell!
Thinking about trying an ISM saddle on my road bike, what do you rekon? (trying to sound english haha) Phil Gaimon has some great points as to why he uses it (no numbness what so ever). I got a pro stealth now and I find the narrowing of the cut out, the further forward on the saddle you look, is like, well your junk kind of lives in the front sooo, and that's where the cut out disappears... Long question, sorry about that!
@@Cade_Media haha I agree for sure. Kind of hoping it won't be great 😅. I wonder how many customers they loose just because of that. A bit like orthopedic shoes isn't it... Cheers and thanks for another video!
@@Bikefitjames but phil gaimon! Keira mcbiskitman was testing one out I saw - on a road bike(!) [Que drama music]. Anyways, cheers. Have a good weekend, and a pint. Or more.
I have (I think) rather odd-shaped feet. I have quite wide balls of my feet but a really narrow heel. In all shoes (not just cycling shoes) I tend to find my heel moves around a lot and can lift out of the shoe a little. When cycling I have to do my shoes up quite tight to stop my heel moving around and this can be quite uncomfortable. Is there something I am doing wrong or is there a particular type of fastening/shoe brand that would help with achieving a snug fit across my entire foot, not just the front?
@@suburbancyclist1535 Yes, Shimano xc7 user here and they work well for my pointy heels/wider forefoot/lowish volume. Put in a better insole. Used to slide forward a lot in them, but after lowering my saddle and moving the cleats back my feet never move even with little tension on the boa.
I feel like your life is just a blur of evenly distributed beers from morning to night and bicycles 😂 just a non stop blur of “its 12 somewhere in the world” and “shall we go for a caf ride?”
My issue is during my bike fit found out that the left side of my hip is about 1/2 inch lower than my right side. I had some shims placed into my shoe which cause my foot to sit higher in the shoe which makes them feel tight.
"If you're between sizes of anything, that's a round-about way of saying it just doesn't fit you." Truth! Excellent video (coming from someone who has spent way too much on cycling shoes and has had to learn the hard way that Lake shoes are worth it.)
Those were my skinny chicken feet! Thanks for all your help James!
Mike Smith plus one for the skinny chicken feet here! I’d say it’s as hard for us as it is for those with big ole plates!
What shoes did you got?
Really like this guy. So real and sincere
James is like the Doc Brown of Back to the Future for bike fitting.
Love Jame's enthusiasm. Man knows what he is talking about
This is my new hero when it comes to bike fit. Comes off as very genuine!
Thanks for having the Spartacus with very short hair cut in video again.. Iam hitting the barber shop to have the same hair cut. Love you mate
So as a general rule, once the shoe is on, it should make contact all around, but not create pressure anywhere, but nor have any movement in the shoe in any direction? I really should do some proper research and get a shoe that "really" fits once and for all. Only bummer is preferring to use things like Northwave Outcross for my commute.
One day I will get it all right lol.
Thanks for the great video as ever, and the words of wisdom from James.
Nice to see a bike fitter who can talk the talk and walk the walk for once well done James
You two together have great comedic timing.
One of James' mantras seems to be cleat location. I took his video advice and moved mine rearward... and wouldn't you know it! Much better! Almost transformative. Thank you!
Love James, in a None physical way ooops ,great energy and loves his work topman 👍🇬🇧
I wonder how much business James gets solely as a result of Francis’ videos. He’ll be taking a commission soon!
So true, a good percentage of the time I am hoping it is a video about James and fitting. Loved it when he was asked what's the best shoe and the answer was a shoe that fits! Cracked me up!
I know im asking randomly but does someone know a method to log back into an Instagram account?
I stupidly lost the login password. I appreciate any tricks you can give me!
@Phillip Steven instablaster =)
It's like you read my mind before doing a bike fit Tuesday. Brilliant as usual. Cheers!
I bought Northwave Core Plus 2 extra wide cycling shoes last week and they fit pretty well. The problem I had was to unclip fast enough our of the clipless pedals (LOOK 296 Elite / LOOK KEO with red cleats). Changed now to grey cleats because I didn't like the amount of floating of the red cleats (9 degrees) that much. Unless the grey cleats give more knee problems I will go back to red cleats probably.
After watching almost all the videos featuring James, I've concluded that I need to pack up my bike, shoes, and all spare parts, and head across the pond to get a proper bike fit.
If only I could cycle there ...
doooo it! you wouldn't be the first ;)
@@Cade_Media oh good. Can you please ask some of the previous ones what excuse they gave the wife? I’m running out of good ones for spending more money on my habit.
i'm going to CX403W, after had spent loads of money on two Sidi Wire and a Specialized Torch 3.0... I hope this time it will be the best. I have 112mm wide foot
Thanks for the video, love you channel.
I loooove my Lakes! Thank you, Mr. James!
It’s an expensive mistake I found out this week. I bought sidi without trying them on and had a cleat fit this week as I couldn’t get on with them. The sidi I can’t get the cleat far enough back and thought they fitted fine but tried lake 237 and the model up and the difference in comfort is unbelievable and the lakes have got more adjustment for cleat position. I haven’t got wide feet either so it wasn’t that.
After 36 yrs of riding and racing road, cx, and mtb and setting myself up on each bike (bike fitters are not all created equal!) I just now think James would know me and my fit needs better than me, myself, and I! Worth a UK trip after covid...
All the shops in my town are so dodgy!! Always left to my own advice. Good to have some "Jedi" James advice to take along with me!!
How good would this not be if slowed down a tad, maybe even like a discussion between several persons!! Absolutely love the knowledge of James, but these vids are way too short!!! =D
The carbon soles on my 20 year old Shimano R151 road shoes came off last week so I figured it was finally time to replace them. I was able to crazy glue them back on temporarily so I could keep on riding till I got new shoes, but then I remembered that I had a pair of even older Performance Bike shoes that I'd barely ever used. When I dug them up I saw on a barely legible label inside one of them that they were actually made by Lake. What do you know, I'd barely even heard of Lake until recently. So I've been alternating between them while deciding on which new shoes to get.
I did finally end up getting a pair of Giro Regimes, which I really like. But I think I'll have to return them as they fit great but pinch the top of my feet just above the ball, painfully, and since the material is synthetic it'll never stretch and during rides as my feet swell the pain will just get worse. Now I'm leaning towards a paid of Shimano R702s, which I tried on in the store and liked but not as much as the Giro's. But if shoes don't feel right then they're the wrong shoe. I never even considered Lakes but I'll have a look. I hate buying shoes, bike, running, street. It's always a pain.
The edits are just as critical as the statements in this video. Fantastic duo for reviews. Please do a group set review together. Don’t forget the beer.
I spent money on a pro fitting and the first thing he did was to move my cleats rearward all the way. The foot-numbness I'd get on long rides vanished.
I've listened to James about the shoes,bin struggling with my very expensive sidi shoes to tight at front there really slim at the toe end so just ordered some lake shoes Thank you very much James you are my new Yoda,very good your are 👍🇬🇧
simon davis did you find a pair of Lakes that are the right length and width for you? I want to get some but my measurements for length and width don’t exactly match their charts.
James, you're a global treasure, mate.
Trained by Specialized. Result.
Areo haircut for James, or launching a helmet fitting service?
Dropping knowledge bombs once again.
Damn you James... if i hadn't watched your videos i wouldn't have known my bars were too wide or my shoes too big and i would have been happy! Happy i said!
Always good to get James expertise on various subjects. How is the project USA movie coming along.
A Project USA full movie would be so much fun.
Does James contradict himself about knee pain 4:40 - 6:30?
Absolutely! Lake fits me like a glove!
Looks like i found another new idol! First Neil Stanbury and now Francis! Subscribed!!! The next time that I'm up that way... Will definitely try to stop in. 👍🏾
I have narrow feet and find sidi work really well and last a long time
James often suggests getting a bike fit. IMO bike fits fail for a couple of reasons even if the fitter is competent. First they don’t fit you when your fatigued from a few hours of hard cycling. I find that that is when a slight misfit starts to show up. Legs don’t extend so well etc as muscles tire. Second point is that that they don’t teach you how you should go about fine tuning your position as your riding develops.
I’ve learnt more from bike fit Tuesdays on a.... etc and I’ve been able to improve my position, comfort and power over the past year or so than ever before. I’d gladly pay for a fit that provides the education to develop ones position.
Nick
I walked into my lbs and bought a pair of Scott shoes that were on sale with a massive discount. I went home put some cleats on them and have had no problems at all....I’m just blessed by God! 😁😉👍🏻
Great subject on shoes. I’ve got men’s size 6.5 shoes, about 39.5-40 euro. So usually I dip into the woman’s selection. I find the right length but the toe box is narrow. This “solution” often gives me numb toes. Now if Nike made cycling shoes I think they could work for me.
That’s my shoe problem. Don’t get me started on the SHITTY WHEELS I have to ride on.
I had to double check the date of the video. James looks massively younger with the thinner beard, not that that's bad.
I discovered Bont Vaypor S wide fit in 2015 and it transformed my cycling- particularly on rides over 3 hours. I’ve just bought a second pair (42W). What is it James doesn’t like about Bont?
Also best advice on fit ever was listening to James and lowering my saddle. Down 40mm from 720 to 680mm. Two bike fitters put me at 720mm and I’d told both about issues with my right foot and the feeling that it wasn’t fully planted. Especially after longer rides. Now at the lower height I’m more powerful and don’t have any saddle issues etc. The video where James bangs on about saddle height were spot on.
So - what’s the problem with Bonts?
Nick
Nick Mannerings depends on your feet, they’re very flat which doesn’t work for a lot of westerners and tends to promote plantar flexion (toe pointing), influencing leg extension and often switching off the glutes in the process
James Thomas thanks for the reply. I’m not sure what you mean by flat in relation to a cycling shoe. Clearly it rotates around the pedal spindle. I use G8 insoles - I used to use specialised but found the g8 better for me.
What does flat mean for a cycling shoe?
Nick
What does James think of Specialized shoes?
I really enjoyed this episode of ‘James talking in front of my bike’
nice bike
Another great 8.0 minutes with James. Roughly translates to 'We are all different' so are shoes.
Who doesn't love a bit of bike fit Friday
Very useful thing to have. Shaving everything,
Hey quick question is there anyway that we can get a video regarding knee issues? And what could cause them? if there is already a video I'm sorry for asking thank-you.
Are bike shorts good for walking?
I went to a bike shop in the North (A prominent one) who tried to sell me a pair of Bonts that were a size too small! They said you’ll get used to them! It a bloody Carbon fibre bathtube! I walked straight out of there.
My whole experience 3 years ago buying a bike and shoes was disastrous. Felts pushy like a car dealer. Wrong size bike and wrong size of shoes. Guy told me that shoes has to be tight. I was in so much pain, but I was naive(to not say stupid ). After bringing the bike like 7 times in a month with sounds here and there and finish finding a crack too the guy (dealer) accept the bike back (not too happy). The shoes I tossed them. Went to a place and find wider shoe, and no pushy sales man. They gave my space to find what i was looking for. I was told about lake shoes, but no shop carry it close of Orlando. Find some good Louis Garneau strike boa that are excellent. They are discontinue so will see for lake shoes in the future. 👍
You mentioned one of the Lake shoes in another video that are good for narrow feet, would you mind telling me what they are? Thanks, great video as always!
I have wide size 14 us feet , got a pair of bontrager solstice shoes in size 47 they fit perfectly
I have narrow feet, while I'm currently using a pair of fizik mtb shoes that I really like 👌
I have Fizik shoes and the cleat location is crap. Too far forward. Damn.
I have a 10mm stack under one shoe due to a short leg (bike fitter put it on, felt instantly better and have ridden many miles on it but am getting a bit of anterior knee pain). At the minute both cleats are as far back as they will go which is not that far back on these old shoes. I'm about to buy new shoes and was wondering, should the cleat on the stacked foot be further back to compensate? Any thoughts would be most welcome!
Did you both go to the barbers 💈 together? (not a serious question)
Earpiece volume was at full and the intro woke me up from sleep time to watch this vid
Much like their pedals, Shimano shoes are indestructible! I love mine.
Couldnt agree more - why buy a car from a Dr?? Love my Lake CX 237s. Im thinking of upgrading, what model Lake would you recommend for wide feet. I got my feet measured in Australia but have moved to NZ- 45 wide
Always loved the Fizik R1's
A1 Coaching I’d like the love them especially since they came out with the knit ones but fizik’s are just always too narrow for me. 🤷♂️
Love the rearward cleat location on Giros.
James talks about going to a shop who really know what they’re talking about, can he recommend anywhere in NW England?
Best point made is the cleat position. Just bought a pair of Bont Vaypors, used them twice and now im selling them. My CX332's arrived today, Lake are the best shoes in the business. Adjustable cleat position. The Bonts were too far back.
They both make great shoes.
Interesting you found the cleats to be too far back on the bonts. Usually people find the further they can go back the better! (Stabilizes the foot)
@@Cade_Media the Bonts are nice dont get me wrong, once moulded they felt secure, a little harsh feeling however, but nowhere near as snug and plush fittting as the Lakes, which went on like slippers and there is no pain felt anywhere. I have a big foot and like to ride right near the front of balls of my feet, and the Bonts felt too much near the middle of my foot with the front sticking out. But yes they do feel more planted in that respect.
Lake shoes arrived yesterday, wow so much better than my Giros
“ chicken feet” i feel attacked
So which would be the bigger issue, a little too long or a little too wide? For me I’ve found regular width shoes have to be too long or I can find wide width shoes that are the right length but a little too wide. Haven’t been able to find a perfect fit for both length and width.
I wonder what is his opinion on Luck cycling shoes (the spanish brand), they also make wide cycling shoes but they are kind of expensive if you don't live in Spain
Disagree with the comment about Sidi Mega wide -fit shoes being narrow. I have a pair and can easily see the difference between them and a normal Sidi fit. I have extremely wide feet and have always had to use a shoe stretcher to help on my cycling shoes. Buying cyling shoes for people like me is not easy. For normal shoes I like the brand by the name of Keen.
4:19 - Amazing windscreen wiper impression! Can someone enter this man into Britain's Got Talent?? :P
@FrancisCade Would be interesting to hear his thoughts on the CX238 (seems to be the upgraded replacement for the CX237?
Bike fit tuesday, filmed on a thursday, posted on a friday.
You love to see it
I'm planning to get a RP5, first Clipless shoes.. not sure, might get a time pedal with it
Can You tell me what type of Lakes are the white,blue and yellow ones on the shelf behind you pls
I'm struggling to get my cleats far enough back in my Lake CX237s. Are Shimano's cleat locations any further rearward?
I promise i haven't sized up because I have wide feet :)
What’s considered wide feet can you have reference? Thank you
My crank arms keep getting worn through from my shoes rubbing on them, any advice on adjusting my cleet position to prevent this?
We can do a video on this
@@Cade_Media Make sure James knows it is 100% *not because my Saddle is too high ;)
James sir - your advice
My left foot is 5mm shorter. The CX 332 wide is the shoe for me.
Would you buy A custom and have the left foot EU 42.5 and the right foot having EU 43, or just go with a 43 for both?
Cheers
Mark
I always have to buy 2 pair to get a pair that fits both right and left. I think we need to start an ebay cooperative for people have single unused shoes for sale.
If James can get me a shoes that’s comfortable, he is a genius.
sounds like a challenge - i accept
James Thomas Me too. I wish I lived locally to him ☹️
Can you recommend a spd shoe that looks like a road shoe? Wide too.
How much are the lake cx237 please?
Agree with 90% of what James says (he cuts through the bike fitting bull poo) but think your better off biting the bullet and going up from the 237, It's an okay shoe but quite heavy and the Lakes with the foldable heal cup are way better.
Gary Bird how much do the 237’s weigh? Hard to find weights for shoes out there.
@@ericreynolds469 just over 400 grams each in size 46.
Gary Bird wow that’s extremely heavy. Is that with cleats attached?
Maybe a strange question but can what you wear during the day effect you when you get on the bike? I wear flat work boots and do a lot of walking ,starting to think I should put support in them, what you guys think?
I'm sure proper supportive shoes are a good life choice aside from cycling...!
I don't know if you still read comments on old posts, but i'll try. I have Specialized shoes and since then I do not feel comfortable while cycling, it looks like the shoes are pushing my feet and knee somewhat outward. When I wear my old NW shoes, I don't have this feeling. After watching this video it became clear what is causing this feeling, the body geometry (anti pronation). @bikefitjames, is there something I can do to neutralise the anti-pronation?
Not sure if Specialized still sells these separately or along with their insoles still, but you need to take one of their valgus wedges and place it under the forefoot to counteract the effect of their built-in varus wedge. May help, may not, I guess outcomes vary.
So would Lawrence not tightening his shoes because his shoes don’t fit?
Ini takes pix yes
Nah he's always ridden like that
Why so much hate for Fizik? =D
lake cx 241s all the way9 out of 10 people have semi wide feet so lake caters to 9 out of 10 people cant wrong with the 241s and you can customize them with the boas and nufoam depending on your footshape
What did he say at 2:20 about Bonts and flat?
Should my toes be getting numb after 5-6 hours of riding?
No
Hi Francis. Random question - how do we know if we have qualified for the wheel competition you did two days ago please?. Popped a late entry in so not sure if it will even be read or not. Not expecting to win but am off work for a week with bike crash injuries so have a lot of time to ponder a lot of things...and was pondering this :P
We haven't looked at the comments yet, everyone who's followed the rules has a chance!
On the subject of cleat placement, you say to have the cleats further back. But what about toe overlap with the front wheel? Is this to be avoided? I have to move my cleats quite forward on my Specialized shoes and Diverge bike.
I have and always have had toe overlap on all of my bikes, including fixed gear race bike. Never been a problem. I guess if you're riding a MTB or something it might be (cornering at very low speed)
Francis Cade And because you have a small frame.
Thanks, James!
So, why are the *bleep* fucking shit? Is it just that they're narrow and the cleat position is too far forward? Or is it also construction or other issues?
Has James thought about documenting this stuff on his shop website? A Bike Fit EnCYCLOpedia. Having a reference on brand trends such as suggested saddle options, as well as shoe width as that is really insightful and a harder trend to notice.
I have Louis Garneau road shoes that fit me perfect and Giro SPD that are narrow. Both are cheap and it makes me paranoid spending money on upgrade/replacements due to all the parameters. (especially as fit seems to be best noticed after some time in saddle to properly find foot placement/tightness of BOA) The more I hear from James, the more I respect his incredible knowledge.
Hey James, what do you think about the idea of finding your inseam for setting saddle height, then times it by 0.883? I did this then measured from the centre of the crank axle to the top of the saddle and found the saddle was 2cm too low which is huge! Is it accurate? Please help severe knee pain on the top and front of my knee. There are so many theories out there I don’t know who to listen to.
adriboff1 go get a bike fit
James Thomas I would but living in South Korea. They are years behind here. When I bought my bike they just put a length of wood between my legs and measured up from the floor to the top of the wood and set my saddle height. That’s as complex as it gets here!
James Thomas just tried it and went on a 40km ride. I’m glad to say for me that formula worked. Knee pain has now been switched OFF! Yesterday I rode 100km and I only just made it home. The last 10 km was hell!
Will James promise not to shout if I ever go to him for a fit? I may of done the exact opposite to some of his advice here 😂
Great vid, I learned a lot!!
Thinking about trying an ISM saddle on my road bike, what do you rekon? (trying to sound english haha) Phil Gaimon has some great points as to why he uses it (no numbness what so ever). I got a pro stealth now and I find the narrowing of the cut out, the further forward on the saddle you look, is like, well your junk kind of lives in the front sooo, and that's where the cut out disappears... Long question, sorry about that!
ISM style saddles definitely work for some. I'm glad I can get away without one... purely because of aesthetics!
@@Cade_Media haha I agree for sure. Kind of hoping it won't be great 😅. I wonder how many customers they loose just because of that. A bit like orthopedic shoes isn't it... Cheers and thanks for another video!
They have no place on a road bike
@@Bikefitjames but phil gaimon! Keira mcbiskitman was testing one out I saw - on a road bike(!) [Que drama music]. Anyways, cheers. Have a good weekend, and a pint. Or more.
I have (I think) rather odd-shaped feet. I have quite wide balls of my feet but a really narrow heel. In all shoes (not just cycling shoes) I tend to find my heel moves around a lot and can lift out of the shoe a little. When cycling I have to do my shoes up quite tight to stop my heel moving around and this can be quite uncomfortable. Is there something I am doing wrong or is there a particular type of fastening/shoe brand that would help with achieving a snug fit across my entire foot, not just the front?
I have similar issues but add in a fairly high arch, tried many many shoes and landed on Shimano xc9 and RC9. Couldn't be happier
@@suburbancyclist1535 Yes, Shimano xc7 user here and they work well for my pointy heels/wider forefoot/lowish volume. Put in a better insole. Used to slide forward a lot in them, but after lowering my saddle and moving the cleats back my feet never move even with little tension on the boa.
I think James needs to start his own brand of cycling shoes.
Jhoes
I feel like your life is just a blur of evenly distributed beers from morning to night and bicycles 😂 just a non stop blur of “its 12 somewhere in the world” and “shall we go for a caf ride?”
Sadly it's not, but that is the dream.
Francis Cade good plan, every day is for the boys
My issue is during my bike fit found out that the left side of my hip is about 1/2 inch lower than my right side. I had some shims placed into my shoe which cause my foot to sit higher in the shoe which makes them feel tight.
Shouldn't you put the shim between the cleat and the shoe?
@@achn2b I have it both, inside and between the cleat and shoe. I misspoke.