What's the Best Shoe for Road Cycling? -BikeFitTuesdays
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- Cycling shoes - finding it hard to find one that fits? We discuss how to go about it and suggest some options.
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0:36 what is a shoe?
1:56 the shoe needs to fit
3:26 how do you find a shoe that fits?
6:01 laces or boas?
7:52 do you need a carbon sole?
9:51 what about the material of the upper?
11:10 top 5 brands we recommend
I am a foot doctor... really enjoyed your video. I never comment on videos, but when you began discussing the longitudinal arch and then the logic behind selecting a neutral shoe and issues with assuming a forefoot varus I became very excited lol. I almost never hear people outside my profession take the time to commit to that level of biomechanical understanding. I wish you the best and hope you continue learning every day!
I have a flat foot, and it has a wide toe box. I am also a heavy rider, putting on a lot of miles.Can you recommend me a cycle shoe or tell me what characteristics my shoe needs to have please? I was looking at lakes cx238, then cx241, then i hear about the heel slipping. I saw a video on sidi shot 2 shoes, and then hear that they are for narrow feet. Good grief. Thanks.
what do you think of barefoot shoes?
Love watching and listening to James, you can tell how passionate he is about cycling and he definitely knows his shit!
Andy Dowling yeah! Agreed...
I always feel like I’m being told off in these videos 😎
stockholm syndrome. makes you want to send him your money. good video though!
If the shoe fits 😏
very much so. James know his stuff and then tell you off for not knowing it.
Agreed. I feel like if you walk into his store and ask about a shoe etc that he doesn’t approve of, he’d exclaim “Be gone, Peasant!”. Lol
I think he could smile a bit more and lighten up. It might be a serious discussion, but it shouldn't sound like a boardroom meeting with manufacturers.
Brilliant when you have someone knowledgeable that shares so much info. Thank you James and well done Francis for putting it together
Yet another outstanding video from Francis Cade featuring Professor James and the highly informative Bike Fit Tuesdays. Always looking forward to the next. Well done my friends!
I wish I had seen this video 15 years ago when i started having problems. Everything he said is what I have learned in that amount of time. It would have saved me so much time and money on shoes and sizing experimentation if he were around then. He is so spot on. If you are new into cycling he can save you so much time and teething pains and get you concentrating on riding instead of jacking with shoes.
so do you recommend a professional bike fit BEFORE getting shoes, cleats and a saddle?
I have a great idea for what you could do for bike fit tuesdays at home! How to find the right sized road bike when shopping online! Would love to see a video about this. Great content like always!!
An unbelievably informative video! It felt like being in one of those rare lectures that just captivate you and captures your full attention. This information has gone into the memory banks forever! Cheers for learning me real good. 😬
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Top draw James as ever, super knowledgable and excellent delivery. When this all blows over I seriously have to see about making the trip down from the NE for a fit. I had surgery on RH ankle and always concerned about foot position affecting knee/ITB. Keep up the great work Francis/James
Phenomenal channel. So glad I stumbled on these guys. As an avid American roadie I always find myself seeking out the Brits and Aussies for advice.
Alot of great information from you both, thank you very much!
I love this video, especially the note about Spesh shoes and their inbuilt tilt. I bought a pair of Spesh 10 yrs ago bcos I overpronate when running so having shoes that try to fix your foot tilt made sense. However hearing that this seldom presents as the root cause of pain caused me to look at other shoes and they are much more comfortable 👍
What an interesting video. Been riding specialized for years, but I'm starting to think to change. not because of this video, but it opened options. THX
Really really helpful. I’m a podiatrist (with a forefoot varus) that’s new to cycling currently doing my research around this. Keep up the good work
I’ve used Specialized shoes in the past and although they fit well on my narrow foot I had lateral foot pain with this shoe. James’ description of how the shoe is built explains this. I’ve found that for my foot, Sidi fits best. I like a walkable shoe so I use mountain bike shoes exclusively. An added benefit with these shoes that cleats can be moved back quite far.
So I have to pay to send feet pics to James? Sounds kina backwards hahaha
Sweet content, packed full of great information once again!
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HAHAHA THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT I'VE SEEN ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET IN A WHILE, HAHAHA!! WELL DONE!
James' knowlegde is unreal! Love these Bike fit vids, cheers gents.
Really like these videos!! Very new to riding road bikes! Just received my first bike a canyon aeroad and leaning a lot but these are helping and a fun watch so thank you for them!!!
Thanks Robert!
After watching your video I researched and purchased the Lake CX237 shoes and they are fantastic. Not the latest model, but still have the BOA dials and carbon soles. Your video production is first rate. I really enjoyed the series you did on Vietnam... Thanks Francis/James!
thanks Greg!
Great detail. I find myself preaching the same stuff about shoes, just need to work on my diplomacy skills! On the subject of Specialized shoes, i'm glad someone has finally described my feelings about them. I sent a pair back a couple of years ago because they caused so much pain around my achilles tendon. This was down to the extra padding around the inside of the heel cup designed to keep your foot snug within the shoe. Just make shoes that come in different shapes and sizes and stop assuming every foot is the same. Lake shoes all the way.
James, you're a beautiful man. Purchased last year during covid the Lake CX238 size 45 completely blind based on your recommendation and they are absolutely perfect. Increased my cycling happiness by an order of magnitude. Thank you sir!
Appreciate the video and the way it's laid out.
Good info, as always. Thanks guys.
Very good to listen to someone who can explain things properly than someone who just want to sell and get it over with. Unfortunately not all bike shops have the same passion as you gents are.
Thanks guys, great info
Great video. I am one of the people that suit Specialized shoes. The flat shoes that I have tried in the past have given me knee pain. All sorted with their shoes. I do supinate thou.
0:55 OCD at its best 😆. New to the channel, good advice from both of you on these videos. Learning lots of good tips . Cheers
Welcome!
Interesting indeed... I have a pair of specialized mountain bike shoes I used for ages... went to the giro and noticed the difference! Either seem to work for me (long distance) but I suspect that is more the smaller cleat used for the mountain bike shoe! Very good shoe summary!
I love these videos mate. Very informative
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First listening to James, you would think he is cocky and has an opinion on everything. I am happy I watched this vlog. Now I can say here's a guy that knows what he is talking about and is a wealth of great cycling information, yes passionate about cycling he is... Enjoyed tremendously, a big thank you James, you are just awesome. hooked on your channel Francis, subscribed..
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Do people actually have that first impression of cockiness and opinionatedness? I'm worried that that's a problem because I'm sure I come off the same.
0:12 To watch the awesome intro over and over you're welcome...
Very informative!!! Thx!!!
You are spot on with all your information. Especially the specialized shoes. I have an extremelly flat foot and cannot get my S works 7 to work. No matter what position we tried. Guess what shoe I came from? giro. I wear the Prolight SLX which they do not make anymore.
Thanks again for a bunch of cool new information. Had no idea any shoe manufacturer did a fore foot variance for any reason. I have been blaming achy knees on old age. Gonna bust out my old bike shoes, and see if the knee ache goes away. I have specialized shoes I have been using.
I grabbed a pair of Specialized Torch 2.0 and works great for me. Carbon sole is one of the best upgrades I've done.
Ok. I warmed up to the video. Love the lakes
Great content!
I think that must be the coolest intro on YT!
wow so indepth, I just would havo gone with the first cheap shoe that complemented my kit and bike colourwise the best
Great video gents... more please
Helpful video, thank you.
I wish I saw this video before I bought Specialized shoe !! Always wandered if it was a cheap Chinese imitation shoe cuz of the bad chamber on the toe box !!!
I use the word chamber because I’m an automobile mechanic 😊
Thx great video 😊
That was a good vlog 👍
Absolutely love all the bikefit tuesday videos! Hate all cycling shoes though, is it just me or are most cycling shoes very narrow? All brands that do wider ones are good at making very unsexy shoes (albeit probably very comfortable ones).
Totally agree that shoes are sooooo important In the system of the bike. It’s taken me years to find what works for me, and I’m always worried
When I have to buy a new pair..... I’m also very fussy about insoles, in as much as the material they are covered with, cannot stand stuff that grips the sock.
Lake and Sidi are my favourite starting point for shoes.......
super informative video as always! how do you feel about Mavic shoes?
I've just bought a pair of Lake Cx237 made a big difference my old shoes were just plastic way to flexy luckily some one bought the wrong size they fit me great might try some arch supports see how it goes. .
My favourite intros of all time 😹
I'm jumping into this old video to thanks Francis and James for this video. I have discovered, tried on and purchased Lake 238W because of what i learned here. I was running uncomfortable Fizik shoes and instead, discovered Lake (which is Canadian, and i'm Canadian... go figure i had to go through Englishmen to get here...). And also discovered G8Performance, which i also purchased the whole insole kit. Great help and comfort for gym sneakers and riding shoes. So, better late than never.
Got a pair of suplest mtb shoes and just love the stiffness. Were pricey though. Had lace up Gaerne mtb shoes a few year back very light but too narrow.
‘Buying a size 10 when you’re actually a size 8’. My entire life summed up. Haha.
My cycling shoes (bont a-two) are the only shoes I own that actually fit me properly. Would be interested in seeing the difference between them and some Lakes.
Lake cx402 which have been heat molded are a special kind of heaven. Well worth the money
Hi, great content! Appreciate your knowledge and the way how you share it. A question though: what does it mean "wide feet"? Can you give a hint, like a ratio length/width at which the feet can be considered as "wide"? Thanks!
Tnx for the knowledge guy's, I'm planning to buy a new bike shoe...
1:52 -- important ? well, for pro definitely YES. for others is it half fashion :) I was cycling with sneekers 1.5 years... no pr.
Francis …. This opening and music is still the best … get it back for bike for Tuesday’s please and thank you 🙏🏻
Great informative video. I've just started using clipless pedals and I've bought triathlon specific shoes as that's what I started doing. My shoes are dhb Trinity and are too wide really but I've assumed that the reason for this was for ease of getting into them in transition. After watching this, I guess I'm wrong, so is there a narrow fitting tri shoe you recommend and is it better to have another not tri specific for training/social rides?
Great deal. Just right size for us. Wish we had bought one sooner.
Wow, probably one of the most informative cycling videos I've seen.
I think I'll be sticking to Shimano
Thanks James
8:19 The increased stack height of a plastic soled shoe isn't like lengthening the cranks, you'd have to raise the saddle height to account for increased foot height at the bottom of the pedal stroke. This would negate any increase in impingement of the hips at the top of the stroke.
Word - “Respect” 👍
This is bang on topic for what I'm looking into currently. Thanks for the content, guys! Question for James: I've been experiencing slight discomfort and some numbness in my left foot while riding any distance over 25mi. I have already addressed saddle height, as well as reach in the past. I recently moved my cleats back a little bit. I didn't go too much initially in order to mitigate any discomfort caused by this change. After 4 rides, the feeling in the foot isn't as apparent, but my right hip was a little sore after my last ride. Any suggestions? Should I revisit the fore-aft position of my saddle? Should I go back to where my cleats were before and address a different measurement on the bike? Or is this just my body adjusting to the new position? Thanks for any reply.
Look at your cleat positioning and alignment. Cleats still too far forward or forcing a slightly pigeon-toed stance have caused numbness for me. Also, the Specialized varus wedge caused other problems as well as numbness. Saddle setback is more of a factor in upper body stability and comfort.
Once normality is restored I'll have to come down and see if we can sort out an mtb shoe that fits and will work with my messed up ankles. Have a feeling '21 is going to be busy with HotChillee events and I'd best have so new ones.
Exelent video!!
I've spent a good couple weeks catching up on your vlogs since before the Vietnam trip (which was so much fun to relive through your adventures with James and Lawrence - what an amazing country).
Slightly concerned to hear James' comments re Specialized shoes. I'm currently loving the sworks 7 as someone with narrow and flat feet. I'd be interested to hear whether James thinks that the build of the shoe will lead to a worsening of flat foot issues.
Cheers Francis 🌱
A plethora of different ailments! BikeFitTuesdays PhD!
I need new cycling shoes. I was torn between Specialized S-works 7 and NORTHWAVE Extreme PRO but after I heard that about specialized shoes, choice is simple. Especially my current Northwave Evolution Plus works for me!
I'd throw in Bont as a Top 5 brand, especially for wider feet.
Was gonna go with Lake CX238's but went with CX241s, in size 45 wide, instead after seeing them on James' IG. They fit my weird shaped wide feet really well. Thinking of buying a second pair in black for outside and keep the current white pair as strictly my indoor training pair. They just look too nice to get dirtied outside. Lol
Jame's advice is always spot on, except I would disagree with the knitted shoe opinion, I went from a conventional upper to a knitted Fizik R1 Infinito shoe and I haven't felt any less support or reduced power transfer, although it seems with this shoe there is a bit more structure than most knitted shoes. It's all horses for courses with feet like he says and sometimes it's worth trying something hated by many.....even Fizik :'). Great video though, cant wait to see the rest of the series!
People don't realise that the upper is very much part of the 'stiffness' of the shoe hence the heat to shape varieties out there. I have carbon sole shoes but if i don't adjust them on the ride especially when they're settled i get too much movement. I've had fabric uppers with laces and i loved them in hot weather touring but for road group they'd feel sloppy for me.
For what it matters I personally use Pearl Izumi. Yeah they’ve got some junk but if you research you can find something good that works and doesn’t cost a fortune.
Came upon your channel by chance and I'm very glad I did. Can't say enough about how much i've learned about bike fitting since I started watching and listening to James wealth of knowledge. The thing that won me over right away is his approach to bike fitting and the purchase of a bike. Get the fitting first, then buy a bike. I wish all bike shops would follow that mantra.
Here in the States when you walk into a shop looking for a bike, first thing they do is try to get you into a test ride and no mention of a fitting until after you bought the bike. Kudos to you mate!
Think shoe fit is very individual. Used the same Specialized shoe for over ten years. Extremely comfortable. Tried getting new high-end Sidi pair and could not use them at all (went back to my old pair). Now riding with Specialized Ares and they have been unbelievably comfortable from day one.
What a Bontrager Shoes I just purchase a pair haven’t ridden with them yet but they where in my budget range.
Shoes from the same brand can vary greatly aswell. Shimano rc701 with a double boa (single way adjustable) didn't get along with my feet at all. The rp901 with a single both ways adjustable boa and a velcro at the toebox just fit me like a glove.
my old bontrager shoes do have same characteristic as spez which sir James mention about it, idk about the new one
Thanks guys for your bike fit vids. Very informative. Is there any evidence or science behind cleat position and how it influences the plethora of ailments/injuries they supposedly cause ??
I’m a not sure I agree on changing plantar pressures when you’re powering into a completely stiff soled shoe? Although I do agree on having cleats right back
Like to hear back thanks
Another great watch 💫😎🇦🇺👍☕️
Great video guys and very informative. James put me into those exact same Sidi shoes during my bike fit. Best shoes I've had - Fiziks were quickly sold!
Great info..
Very informative video. What about Fizik shoes? Any good?
This is great content. I’ll try to look a Lake shoes here in MNL. I’m currently using Bont shoes which is moldable in my feet. Do you have any view or say about Bont shoes?
Hey great video! I'm looking to buy a pair of shoes that fit me for my indoor cycling do you happen to have shop in Singapore that you know who will provide such good advise?
Good talk James
Waiting on that transferring your bike fit to your indoor bike. I use an ICG6 spin bike and I can't seem to get dialed in.
Top video! What measurements are regarded as a narrow or wide fit?
Bont have an excellent guide on their website showing how to measure your foot and what size shoe you need. It tells you if you Size & width of Bont you need. In addition the shoes are heat mouldable so they can be adapted to any particular foot oddities that you may have.
Plus Bont shoes are pretty short and stubby.
Good for people with non-pointy feet to not having the excess pointy length hanging to get overlap with front wheel.
The length depends on the size. It’s appropriate for the foot.
@@nickmannerings3574 It does scale with the size obviously, but Bont is still shorter than my other shoes anyway. My Bont cut more square in the front. While my Shimano and other shoes taper more gradually at the pointy end. That more square cut result in a shorter shoe.
What is your opinion on fizik shoes or is lake a better brand?
Love these videos very interesting and I have learned a lot.
Evan Marczak read some of the comments on this feed
Could I make for a neutral foot bed by using G8 insoles on my pair of Specialized shoes to remove their built in forefoot varus?
Any thoughts on bont cycling shoes? I used to have lake 237 but i got the smaller size and didn’t workout for me. Im on bont tri shoes at the moment but considering a proper road shoes.
I wonder if i should go for lake this time.
How do you rate Bont Riots, 2018, regarding how far the cleat goes back compared to Lakes? I currently have my cleat all the way back on the Bont shoes. I have very long toes and wide feet. Giro, can't even get my feet in width ways for what should be the correct length. Specialised, great for cycle touring whist staying in zone 3- or below. Probably as those are touring MTB shoes and you can normally get the cleat a little further back with 2 bolts. When Lockdown is over will come and say hi in store as been following the channel and Lawrence's consistently for a year now. Awaiting shoulder surgery as a car was driving the wrong way down the road and might as well get the setup sorted on the turbo so can enjoy 2021 to the max. Billy, Watford.
Fantastic information watched a couple of your videos relating to shoes & just may have found why my knee is injured 🤕 quick question though ? I’m on a road bike and ride it with MTB pedals the are small & I like that, would it be advantageous for me to swap to a road cleat and pedal setup? What would I stand to gain ? Once again thanks for all that information 🙏🏻
I use MTB pedals on my road bike a lot. They are significantly heavier and the float in the pedals feels different, but there's nothing wrong with using them
Do you know if specialized mtb/xc shoes are the same? I have a pair for mtb but my roadie shoes are pearl Izumi.
I am so pissed and happy at the same time now. I have specialized shoes and have put the cleat in every position that it can go and added different incerts in and my feet always go numb and or hurt. got some Shimano's, put them on and not a single issue at all. Thank you for this information, as I though it was just me and not knowing how a shoe should feel on your foot. I can ride the Shimano for hours, no problem.
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I have a but foot plant arches. This lead me to not be able to competly close the top of shimano sphyre shoes. Is the wide options from Shimano could close?
Damn James! You just talked me into buying that Lake CX403. I hope this will be well spent money 😅
Thx a lot for discussing the Specialized shoes. I tried a pair last week and i returned them because they were way too narrow. But i was absolutely sure that there was someting else not right. Not right at all. I now know what, so thaks. By the way; the level of detail and workmanship is WAY below the Sidi’s. Sidi shoes are absolutely flawless and even after many, many years of rough usage they don’t fall apart or show spots of wear. But the the current Mega line is an absolute disappointment. Give us a wide option for your top shoes, Sidi !
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Question: I am planning an across America trip in june along the southern tier (San Diego, CA to St Augustine FL). It will be rather hot at around 30 to 40 degrees Celsius. Does shoe color matter in the heat?
Since the route is 4800 km, I want really good shoes with cleats as far back as possible. My feet are wide with a high arch and long toes and large in size (45 to 47 depending on brands). What brand of shoes would you recommend? Thank you for another great video! /Arvid
Hey guys- wondering on your thoughts comparing the Lake MX238 with the Lake mx241. Can't find much comparing or contrasting the shoes. Thanks!