[TW: child abuse] Abuse can either make or break you, and it causes some children to grow up fast I had to start outsmarting my father at five years old I'm very thankful that I had my mom to help protect me, and that she eventually left him without any violence befalling her
Truth! 7 year old girls are chatty and retain so much detail. My oldest is so wildly smart it’s insane. She’s smarter than me. How her dad doubted his daughter shows how evil he is.
The fact that he was willing to let his children burn in that house after witnessing their mother be brutally killed is absolutely, purely evil. What a POS 🤬
The most glaring indicator of how evil these kind of people are is how they never care about the lifetime of pain and grief their kids will suffer, all because they wanted to sleep around without getting a divorce.
The house was going to be burned down with the children in it, he would not have to worry about them at all. There was no mention by anyone of a plan to remove the children before setting the fire.
I have been binge watching this channel for the last 3 days and have zero desire to stop until I have seen them all. I survived attempted homicide and I greatly appreciate the kindness and respect shown to the victim's and their families. This is the most straight forward unbiased channel for true crime I have seen. Many Blessings to all who work so hard to tell these victim's stories with so much love and respect.
When she said he couldn’t have said something because what if it was her daddy she’d recognize his voice I got chills. That poor girl, I hope she heals as best she can and lives a full and healthy happy life.
@@devonport3157 You don't know that. You have no idea, because you don't know her. Imagine if she read this and believed that no matter what, she's helpless. You can do anything you want girl. You are powerful.
@@andrewthetruth I do wish her every happiness but it will require a miracle sadly. With alot of support, let's pray for every success in life to overcome this
For a child to have those thoughts about her dad talking is astonishing. Most people way older may not catch that. Wow! That interview was SO telling. I believe she KNOWS with her instincts but doesn’t want to believe it. I believe there may be other signs that she seen or knew that made her feel or think this way. Great job lil hero!!!
Listening to that little girl try to logic out why the "robber" looked like daddy, but couldn't have BEEN her daddy, was absolutely heart wrenching. Another well done video, JTL!
I agree. The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to say these things. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
@@Kthb80 It seems to me to be a setup, so husband killed her and asked this guy to come and burn the house down to put the murder on him. And it almost worked, except that the child saw him and MB saw him fleeing and realized what was happening too late. This is what I think.
Gosh so sad how can a husband do this he had kids for crying out loud and asked for the house to be burned down, what a monster! Poor children they are the ones suffering, the little girl’s description was prophetic!
Sick and tired and saddened that these monsters of men just won't leave and divorce their wives, terrified of losing everything, but not a care for her losing her life or their children losing their mother. Greed takes them over and they will do anything to prevent their loss. Lock him up throw away the key, he should never see the light of day again.
Sorry, lady, but there are innumerable cases of women doing exactly the same thing, killing their husbands or conspiring to do so because they are sleeping around with other men or they want insurance money, etc.
The little girl seemed to sense that her father was A) capable of harming her mother, and B) was responsible for her mother’s death. Michael Beard does not resemble her father, so what other reason could there be for the little girl to be so convinced her father was the perpetrator (even if she simultaneously did not want to believe it)?
actually I remember when I was little and I didn’t know a lot of men other than my father (obviously as a little girl I didn’t have many other adult men in my life other than him) … I would describe people in relation to my dad. Like my dad is average height and weight etc so when I would try to describe someone I would definitely say he’s dads height… how big is the man you saw? “He’s dads size!”… seems like a really reasonable response.
And by people I mean adult man sized people. I honestly am not sure who’s guilty or not and idk what I believe… I’m partly on the dads side though because I feel like I can completely understand why a little girl might accidentally implicate her father, despite it not being him at all…
@@jackie_is_here I don't know what to think about it either. I keep going back and forth in my mind whether it was the dad, or not. That alibi is hard to get around, but there was definitely a lot of motive too, on top of the daughter's statements. Maybe the friend's are incorrect, or confused about the time that the visit ended???? It would be odd (I would think) for a robber to not take any cash that was there, and pay no attention to the safes at all. Then there were all the phone calls like he was trying to set it up, at the very least. Without more evidence I would definitely have some reasonable doubt, but at the same time I think it very likely was him. Edit: I can't believe that the police in New York are not required to videotape, or record the audio when questioning suspects. So basically we are just supposed to take their word that the suspect said what they claim they said. That is messed up.
@@jackie_is_here If the guy resembled her father in shape or size, then that might make sense. I’m really surprised to hear anyone doubt his guilt. From where I’m sitting, there was no question whatsoever. He hired that guy to do it. You don’t need to get around the alibi, because it was a murder for hire. Everything was a set-up, from firing him ahead of the murder, to the vehicle exchanges. He even bought him a bicycle for transport!
She was very articulate. The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to these conclusions. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement (the guy that admitted he went to the house that night) proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
@@lboogiebella484 could be. Im not saying you're wrong but I actually find it a bit strange that she would say those things. It's not a natural response for a child of that age. Something seems a bit odd to me hearing her say that.
As if having his wife murdered in front of his children wasn't terrible and heartless enough, he wanted the house burned down with his children inside?? 😵
I’m always telling women, to stop bragging to others and on social media about how ‘great’ their husbands are…it makes zero sense to do that. Just let their actions speak for themselves. Because you never know what’s going on in someone’s mind.
Is it possible that the husband killed his wife before the poker game and set up the scenario with his fired employee to go there so he could frame him? And that the employees second story that he went there and found her dead was true? He thought about the gps in his truck as an alibi, using other peoples phones, etc. He clearly thought it through and was plotting something with the ex employee. His daughter is so adamant that it was her daddy. She also describes it as her daddy’s eyes, makes other references to it being him. Even if it it WASN’T him who physically killed her, for his daughter to assume the most likely person who would murder her mother was her father, is telling I think, as I assume that’s not a child’s typical reaction in such a situation.
His daughter never thought nor said that the person mist likely to kill her mother was her father. Also the time of death was when he had been at the poker game for awhile. His children were still up and awake when he left for the poker game.
@@secondact7151 she never said anything like that to anyone and there was absolutely zero evidence or belief of previous domestic violence from anyone that knew the family so I'm going to say I really don't think that was the case.
@@lunagoodhart5489 Exact time of death is iffy at best. The daughter clearly said that there were a few reasons that she thought that it was her father, including the fact that the person did not speak otherwise they would have recognized his voice. His children may have been up/awake, to see him kill their mother or be in the house doing something suspect. So, your points don't actually refute the theory of father being the actual murderer with the ex-employee being set up!
It’s just so horrible how he could calculate murdering his wife and framing someone else for it and do it all in front of his children. That is without a doubt a psychopath.
That poor baby girl shattered my heart. from being strong and brave enough to protect to baby brother, to being brave enough to talk to the police and try to logic out everything she saw and the fact that 'robber' looked like daddy. I hope that poor sweet girl is able to get what she needs to heal from this
Thanks, Kevin. I'm surprised and disappointed that you don't have far more subscribers. I'll keep recommending your channel to other TC fans. Take care.
Don’t be disappointed! We’re moving in the right direction and are very grateful for this community and your support. We’re just taking it one video at a time 👍🏻
@@JustThoughtLounge It's good to know that you're feeling so positive, Kevin. I just don't want you to disappear from here, as I really enjoy your presentations. Thanks, Patricia.
Thank you for such beautifully respectful coverage of Kelly's case 🤍 I've lived in this area for years, we used to have parties in that hidden part of Elmira Heights where they found the weapon. I just wanted to say, every year since the hockey arena and downtown Elmira is covered in purple for Domestic Violence awareness month so we never forget. 🤍💜
Women, remember this ... once you discover something damning, do not confront, start a plan to leave if you have already made that decision in your heart, but do not confront. And if you must confront, don't do it alone and never be alone with the person again. Do a witness protection program disappearance.
@lifeafterloss232 you are so desperate and can't think straight. Unless you are going to therapy and someone helps you with an escape plan, it is very difficult to succeed on your own. Narcissistic and abusive partners can make your life so miserable, you do not know what is right or wrong anymore.
Smh She knew he was cheating on her. Told him she was divorcing him.. He knew he’d lose it all and had her killed, also ordered the house to be burnt down, WITH his children inside of it. So it didn’t look like murder, it looked like a house fire …and he’d walk away with a whole lot of money & a whole new life, complete with no “daddy responsibilities.” Brand new life. That’s about as insidious as it gets. I pray he’s never EVER released.
I so look forward to your videos, you do such a great job, especially remembering the victims. This story is heartbreaking, a divorce will never be as expensive as the rest of your life behind bars.
It's rather ironic that Clayton's legal team decried the data location expert for using pseudoscience when they cite the polygraph as an indicator of their client's innocence.
This was exactly my thoughts also. You can't have it BOTH WAYS!! That's just one of those things that defense attorneys hope the jury doesn't pick up on and to be quite honest, most people probably do NOT catch that detail. You and I are the only ones that I've noticed mentioning this which proves my point that it goes over MOST people's head
@@NeverendingSaga but it really is tho. Calling one thing pseudoscience and then they cite the polygraph results to prive a point when that science isnt even allowed as a tool to convict in a court of law. Its very ironic actually
New sub here. Although I've heard this story before as a true crime fanatic, I like your voice and even tones in narrating it. Some of the details you shared were new to me as well. Still as heartbreaking and tragic as when I first heard it back then. Keep up the hard work. I look forward to watching again. Btw, you have the perfect voice for podcasting js..
If Thomas Clayton _really_ did hire Michael Beard to do what he did, the initial plan was to burn down the house. I mean, any domestic murder is abhorrent but burning down a house with not only your wife but two young children inside is beyond monstrous! To so callously assign price tags to your family’s lives, the family that loves and supports you, is disgusting and depraved. If this is all true then I hope Thomas is continually haunted by his actions and suffers for the rest of his miserable life. And Michael is a POS as well.
Narcopaths are not haunted by their actions as they lack empathy and guilt. They don't have a conscience to nag at them. So they have no remorse for their actions. They're completely unbothered with the exception of the silent rage that's always bubbling under the surface over having been caught, exposed (huge ego bruise), and held accountable.
I appreciate your measured storytelling manner. It makes it so much easier to hear and follow the facts, without performative hyperbole. Great job, Kevin. Thank you!
The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to these conclusions. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement (the guy that admitted he went to the house that night) proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
You do such an amazing job covering these cases and props to you for not doing the really well known cases that we've seen time and time and time again. Everyone deserves to have their story told and I am pretty sure the victim's family members appreciate that you do it in such a thoughtful and respectful way. Great job JTL you are one of my favorite true crime channels.
I was scared Thomas was going to get away with it, because of Michael 's recanted confession. His defence was pathetic! But what else can be expected from a murderer. Glad justice was served in this case.
Yeah, remember his first confession was not recorded (to show coercion). And it makes no sense that he would kill her and not burn the place (the thing that he originally planned & would destroy evidence). Makes more sense that he saw her dead body & freaked out.
I listened and re-listened to that 911 call. When the husband says, “just, trust me” it seems (retrospectively) reflective of his mindset. He just executed a murder. What does he want? To be trusted. So he can get what he wants. It’s almost unfathomable to me how people like him go through with plans like this. Thanks so much for another informative and well-delivered upload!
But what solidified and proved that statement as accurate was when the coo saw the body and you heard his reaction. He said something to the effect of "Oh wow, ahhh ok yes she's dead" like she was just smashed to pieces. That's why I feel that statement didn't prove anything. Just my thoughts. Doesn't mean I'm right by any means
@@kenkaniff8428 yes, I agree with you too! The statement doesn't necessarily prove anything, you're right. At the same time, I still find the words "just trust me" to be very curious. I heard the cops reaction. What a horrific scene to be called to!
This was so heart breaking! Thank you so much for including updates about where the children went. I cannot imagine the trama they have already been through.
You do such a lovely job with these vids. You seem a calm, nice man and you are wonderfully pleasant to look at as well. I thoroughly enjoy visiting with you!!
Both young children were home alone with Kelly at the time of her murder. Given the defendants’ reported plan to burn down the house, in my opinion, both men are also guilty of two counts of conspiracy attempted murder (of both children.) Thank you for this thorough and engaging account of this horrendous tragedy.
What an awful thing for her daughter to be put through, how brave of her, it's as if she knew that it was her dad, shame on him for putting his child through such an horrendous thing, may God bless her and God bless her children 🙏
One of the saddest cases ever. She looks like any member of my family. Heartbreaking. Especially for her sister. The kids I know are going to prosper under her care. Alot of Love there. I have no words for what they did. Evil, sneaky, selfish, senseless, betrayal, are a few. Blindsided. Just vicious.
This Tom guy, thought that he was being just so clever - Using another car Using another phone always to call the same person/people Being at his regular poker game. His actions are so suss to me, like - The purchase of the bicycle for the “friend” The borrowing of the other vehicle again, for the friend to use. The increase of his wife’s life insurance just before she was beaten to death. The statements of the 16 year old girl (niece). And finally, all of the incredible work done by “the expert” that looked into and cross referenced ALL of his electronic activities - all his phone calls, his vehicle movements, his locations for each and every electronic action and any and all CCTV related to his movements, and his mobile phone’s movements. The “gotcha” moment for me was the phone calls. Asking to use someone else’s phone whenever he wanted to call the other guy. Everyone saw his phone at the poker game and then he lied about it being in his car or something like that. Why? Why else would you do that? Gotcha!! What an absolutely pathetic bastard. I hope that he makes lots of “buddies” in prison, buddies that are aware that he had this done while his little daughter, his kids listened to it all happening.
I live in the area where this happened. It still haunts everyone to this day…so tragic and so sad. I know her sister Kim…worked with her as well. That family is the sweetest. I only encountered Kelley when I was at the Woodhouse a couple times but we enjoyed her energy! The kids are thriving and growing so fast…breaks my heart that Kelley was robbed of the ability to watch and experience those moments. Hopefully she’s shining down on her family and getting to see her babies become amazing people ❤️
I listen/watch A LOT of channels. Your's is only one of 2 that I press "Like" before I even start watching. I already know it's going to be great because it ALWAYS is! Thank you Kevin and JTL Crew for all your hard work! ❤❤
that poor baby girl could only describe her daddy n needed to believe he couldn't do it not only that but hugged her mumma as she lay dying heart breaking thanks for another great video x
The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to these conclusions. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement (the guy that admitted he went to the house that night) proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
@@kenkaniff8428 I agree but the dad also did hire the guy so it hurts my heart to think that baby could have seen or heard something to come to the conclusion I hope she's in some type of therapy x
@@theworld340 I'm not even sure that was proven tho🤔 I'm referring to the father (Tom) HIRING Michael. That doesn't mean I'm right by any means but I just feel that aspect of things was NOT proven.
It’s probably the usual motive. He didn’t want to be with her anymore, but he didn’t want to divorce her either. Why not? Because it’s messy, and more importantly, expensive.
I tried to watch 2 other videos about this story before I found yours. They were so all over the place, didn't show actual footage etc.. Your video was perfectly made. Straight to the point, footage, talking at a perfect speed etc... Absolutely loved ❤ As a true crime junkie who loves documentaries, I just wanted to comment and let you know that!
Another really sad case. DV cases, or murder for hire are some of the worst ones out there. I hope she is resting in peace and those poor children haven’t suffered any lasting mental damage. Love this channel, very in-depth and compassionate
Very true. The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to these conclusions. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
Wow the little girl. She's very intuitive. Surmised he didn't speak as she'd recognize her dad's voice. Recognizing his shoes and mask..."but he couldn't do it, who'd take care of us"
It never ceases to amaze me how husbands and wives think that they can get away with murder in this day of DNA and forensics and how the spouse is always the first one considered guilty. 😵
I've just recently started watching and listening to your Just thought lounge. I love how you tell the true stories. You have such a calming voice. Your stories are well researched. Keep them coming. 😊
Just for thought....it makes a good video to hear the detectives talk and listening to the victims families and friends. It gives them a voice in their crime you talk about. Thank you and God Bless
Absolutely agree. We use all audio / video that is available for our cases to make sure we’re telling a fully fleshed out story. If there’s any media available for a case then you’ll see it here 👍🏻
I listen your your stuff all the time and they're always great, thank you. An observation from listening to many crime documentaries across many platforms is how they often refer to the victims looks "She was a beautiful woman/beautiful wife" Looks have nothing to do with anything. We're either born attractive or not. What can one do?. How about - She was a beautiful person?
I watch a lot of crime docs, and I can’t think of one where the victim was overweight and frumpy. Are we just harder to kill/dispose of? Or are we just drawn to the tragedy of a (physically) beautiful person lost? I can joke and say I feel safe being fat, but in seriousness it’s no laughing matter. Beautiful or not, no person deserves to be murdered just to avoid a divorce!
@@sarahewson3607 i think it might have to do with respect to the deceased. Imagine someone saying how ugly and fat a dead person was. I usually don't pay attention to these things because they don't matter
I think that it is exactly as Michael Beard said ... he was paid to burn the house down and a time and date was agreed upon, leaving Tom with a slot for killing Kelly and thereby setting up MB. He was seen by the child and seen fleeing by MB but it was already to late to undo the damage of the murder and the setup!
I was on the fence on who actually murdered the wife the kid, Charlie she was very articulate and nobody would accuse their own father of something if they didn't know deep down what was going on inside that house, she's the one who's solidified it for me. Charlie if you ever read these you're a brave little girl you stand up for yourself, protect your family, and your mom will always be with you.
I think Thomas Clayton murdered his wife, went off to a poker game and got the other 2 guys to torch the place, just like they said. The fact that the police interview with the confessions was not recorded is very suspect.
Yes indeed. I've checked out over 80 TC channels and only kept the TOP 18 that I enjoy the most and THIS channel is one of the best. It's in my TOP 5 out of the 18 that I subscribe to. I've checked out so many TC channels but most don't cut it for me. THIS channel is an absolutely brilliant channel!
Well done Kevin. Stunningly sad, yet another fabulous Mum, Daughter and woman, cut down by adultery and murder, lying and conniving. Very very sad.....
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He underestimated how smart his 7 year old was. She’s amazingly perceptive and courageous for protecting her brother.
The bond between siblings is the strongest...
@@metalslug_1143That is only the truth for some siblings. That is absolutely NOT the case for all siblings and it's quite ignorant to think it is.
@@metalslug_1143 not for all of us, but thankfully she was.
[TW: child abuse]
Abuse can either make or break you, and it causes some children to grow up fast
I had to start outsmarting my father at five years old
I'm very thankful that I had my mom to help protect me, and that she eventually left him without any violence befalling her
Truth! 7 year old girls are chatty and retain so much detail. My oldest is so wildly smart it’s insane. She’s smarter than me. How her dad doubted his daughter shows how evil he is.
The fact that he was willing to let his children burn in that house after witnessing their mother be brutally killed is absolutely, purely evil. What a POS 🤬
I know right 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Did he want the children dead too?
@@jamigoddess well he hired someone to kill his wife and burn down the house so looks that way
Yes, but he said his wife was a lazy bitch so its kinda on her shoulders as well
Monster of a human.
“ He probably didn’t say anything because if it was my daddy I would recognize his voice.”
What a smart, brave child!
I was impressed myself with this statement from her...yes very smart 👌.
@Yardbirds 67 Pigs? You mean police officers?
I was thinking the same, she is incredibly intelligent
kids are fast !!!!
But the thing is that the attacker wasn't daddy at all, it was this Micheal guy, why did she identify him as her dad?
The most glaring indicator of how evil these kind of people are is how they never care about the lifetime of pain and grief their kids will suffer, all because they wanted to sleep around without getting a divorce.
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Yeah. Absolutely right.
The house was going to be burned down with the children in it, he would not have to worry about them at all. There was no mention by anyone of a plan to remove the children before setting the fire.
This
He was totally fine with his hit man burning down the house with his children in it!!! What an evil human being
Mother told her to run out of the house but 7-year old ran to protect her 3-year old brother. B-O-S-S. What a hero!
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Alot of adults would of flapped let's have it rite . Proper boss 👌👏🙌👍😎
So the plan would've killed the kids too. Hmmm. Wow. Do the lives of the children have any value?
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I have been binge watching this channel for the last 3 days and have zero desire to stop until I have seen them all. I survived attempted homicide and I greatly appreciate the kindness and respect shown to the victim's and their families. This is the most straight forward unbiased channel for true crime I have seen. Many Blessings to all who work so hard to tell these victim's stories with so much love and respect.
I could have written your comment. I too have been binging for about three days and can't stop.
Meeee toooo lol
When she said he couldn’t have said something because what if it was her daddy she’d recognize his voice I got chills. That poor girl, I hope she heals as best she can and lives a full and healthy happy life.
Sadly she won't. Poor kids are scared for life.
Same thing happened to me. Wow, chilling
Amen ❤
@@devonport3157 You don't know that. You have no idea, because you don't know her. Imagine if she read this and believed that no matter what, she's helpless.
You can do anything you want girl. You are powerful.
@@andrewthetruth I do wish her every happiness but it will require a miracle sadly. With alot of support, let's pray for every success in life to overcome this
Your aunt's husband tells you he no longer loves your aunt and he's cheating on her and you say NOTHING to her???
That is odd that she didn't say anything. I would've run my mouth as my loyalty is to my blood.
@@biddyb.3310 Same.
She was 16 I wonder if that’s why?
What's more odd is how could he be comfortable enough to tell her all that. Like, he must have been confident that she wouldn't tell her aunt. Sus.
@@pinkelephantsandlemonades4011 She was 16 years old let’s not rag on a kid here
For a child to have those thoughts about her dad talking is astonishing. Most people way older may not catch that. Wow! That interview was SO telling. I believe she KNOWS with her instincts but doesn’t want to believe it. I believe there may be other signs that she seen or knew that made her feel or think this way. Great job lil hero!!!
Ummmm she was completely wrong. Let’s not celebrate kids for making false accusations. They get enough trophies for things like tying their shoes
Listening to that little girl try to logic out why the "robber" looked like daddy, but couldn't have BEEN her daddy, was absolutely heart wrenching. Another well done video, JTL!
Its the way she said the robber did not speak otherwise we would know it was her daddy. Shes a smart kid.
I agree. The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to say these things. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
He said she was dead when he got there to burn the house down, this story was a little confusing.
@@Kthb80 It seems to me to be a setup, so husband killed her and asked this guy to come and burn the house down to put the murder on him. And it almost worked, except that the child saw him and MB saw him fleeing and realized what was happening too late. This is what I think.
It is the same reason many children don’t disclose abuse readily their little minds refuse to accept a parent is actually being harmful
I feel bad for the children. When I heard at the end that the little boy still cries out for his mother, that just broke my heart.
you are right. That's a lifetime of pain. I lost my mother as a child, and she was not even murdered. I still grieve her, decades later.
@@fairplayer7435same here 😢 it’s the worst ❤
Yessssss I got some emotional thinking about my own daughter….
Gosh so sad how can a husband do this he had kids for crying out loud and asked for the house to be burned down, what a monster! Poor children they are the ones suffering, the little girl’s description was prophetic!
Came for a story, stayed for another fantastic report, without the hype. Good work Kevin.
Sick and tired and saddened that these monsters of men just won't leave and divorce their wives, terrified of losing everything, but not a care for her losing her life or their children losing their mother. Greed takes them over and they will do anything to prevent their loss. Lock him up throw away the key, he should never see the light of day again.
Thankyou!!!!!
Unfortunately this is not limited to men. Wives do the same and all for money or revenge- the human heart is always wicked
@roan9773 Yes much in much much higher numbers being men. Whether it be a wife, woman on the street, someone they don't like etc.
Sorry, lady, but there are innumerable cases of women doing exactly the same thing, killing their husbands or conspiring to do so because they are sleeping around with other men or they want insurance money, etc.
I've never heard about this case. Very well presented, thanks Kevin.
It was featured on Dateline, but this video goes into much more detail and more informative.
Poor, poor babies. I hope the little girl, such a brave girl gets good counseling, which I'm sure she will. Rip Kelly, you deserved better ❤️
That little girl is an amazing little person. It’s heart breaking that she had to go through something so horrific.
The little girl seemed to sense that her father was A) capable of harming her mother, and B) was responsible for her mother’s death. Michael Beard does not resemble her father, so what other reason could there be for the little girl to be so convinced her father was the perpetrator (even if she simultaneously did not want to believe it)?
Agreed!! This is the crux of the whole matter for me!
actually I remember when I was little and I didn’t know a lot of men other than my father (obviously as a little girl I didn’t have many other adult men in my life other than him) … I would describe people in relation to my dad. Like my dad is average height and weight etc so when I would try to describe someone I would definitely say he’s dads height… how big is the man you saw? “He’s dads size!”… seems like a really reasonable response.
And by people I mean adult man sized people. I honestly am not sure who’s guilty or not and idk what I believe… I’m partly on the dads side though because I feel like I can completely understand why a little girl might accidentally implicate her father, despite it not being him at all…
@@jackie_is_here I don't know what to think about it either. I keep going back and forth in my mind whether it was the dad, or not. That alibi is hard to get around, but there was definitely a lot of motive too, on top of the daughter's statements. Maybe the friend's are incorrect, or confused about the time that the visit ended???? It would be odd (I would think) for a robber to not take any cash that was there, and pay no attention to the safes at all. Then there were all the phone calls like he was trying to set it up, at the very least. Without more evidence I would definitely have some reasonable doubt, but at the same time I think it very likely was him.
Edit: I can't believe that the police in New York are not required to videotape, or record the audio when questioning suspects. So basically we are just supposed to take their word that the suspect said what they claim they said. That is messed up.
@@jackie_is_here If the guy resembled her father in shape or size, then that might make sense. I’m really surprised to hear anyone doubt his guilt. From where I’m sitting, there was no question whatsoever. He hired that guy to do it. You don’t need to get around the alibi, because it was a murder for hire. Everything was a set-up, from firing him ahead of the murder, to the vehicle exchanges. He even bought him a bicycle for transport!
This little girl was beyond her years!!!
She was very articulate. The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to these conclusions. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement (the guy that admitted he went to the house that night) proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
@@kenkaniff8428 I don’t understand how her mind brought her to say it was her dad no one brought up her dad but her I think it was him.
@@lboogiebella484 could be. Im not saying you're wrong but I actually find it a bit strange that she would say those things. It's not a natural response for a child of that age. Something seems a bit odd to me hearing her say that.
@@kenkaniff8428 she may have seen her dad beat her mother before.
Right?
As if having his wife murdered in front of his children wasn't terrible and heartless enough, he wanted the house burned down with his children inside?? 😵
I’ve noticed that the couples who seem the happiest in photos, are the ones going through the worst problems.
Sick pig that's what I thought straight away
I’m always telling women, to stop bragging to others and on social media about how ‘great’ their husbands are…it makes zero sense to do that. Just let their actions speak for themselves. Because you never know what’s going on in someone’s mind.
I am sick 🤢 😖😠
@marshalastovall4270 Frighteningly true
Is it possible that the husband killed his wife before the poker game and set up the scenario with his fired employee to go there so he could frame him? And that the employees second story that he went there and found her dead was true? He thought about the gps in his truck as an alibi, using other peoples phones, etc. He clearly thought it through and was plotting something with the ex employee. His daughter is so adamant that it was her daddy. She also describes it as her daddy’s eyes, makes other references to it being him. Even if it it WASN’T him who physically killed her, for his daughter to assume the most likely person who would murder her mother was her father, is telling I think, as I assume that’s not a child’s typical reaction in such a situation.
His daughter never thought nor said that the person mist likely to kill her mother was her father.
Also the time of death was when he had been at the poker game for awhile. His children were still up and awake when he left for the poker game.
Good points but I don't see it possible. As Luna said in her comment I have to agree
Maybe she had seen her dad beat her mother before.
@@secondact7151 she never said anything like that to anyone and there was absolutely zero evidence or belief of previous domestic violence from anyone that knew the family so I'm going to say I really don't think that was the case.
@@lunagoodhart5489 Exact time of death is iffy at best. The daughter clearly said that there were a few reasons that she thought that it was her father, including the fact that the person did not speak otherwise they would have recognized his voice. His children may have been up/awake, to see him kill their mother or be in the house doing something suspect. So, your points don't actually refute the theory of father being the actual murderer with the ex-employee being set up!
It’s just so horrible how he could calculate murdering his wife and framing someone else for it and do it all in front of his children. That is without a doubt a psychopath.
That poor baby girl shattered my heart. from being strong and brave enough to protect to baby brother, to being brave enough to talk to the police and try to logic out everything she saw and the fact that 'robber' looked like daddy. I hope that poor sweet girl is able to get what she needs to heal from this
So so tragic for these two beautiful little children…
Thanks, Kevin. I'm surprised and disappointed that you don't have far more subscribers.
I'll keep recommending your channel to other TC fans. Take care.
Don’t be disappointed! We’re moving in the right direction and are very grateful for this community and your support. We’re just taking it one video at a time 👍🏻
@@JustThoughtLounge
It's good to know that you're feeling so positive, Kevin. I just don't want you to disappear from here, as I really enjoy your presentations. Thanks, Patricia.
Makes a refreshing change not to watch someone putting on makeup or going on about themselves!
That is because most of our population is full narcissistic, cheating spouses with no sense of right. Busy dark games.
@@abbyfox2980Agreed!
love your channel Kevin well done, you explain things with such description and dignity ,thankyou
Thank you for such beautifully respectful coverage of Kelly's case 🤍 I've lived in this area for years, we used to have parties in that hidden part of Elmira Heights where they found the weapon.
I just wanted to say, every year since the hockey arena and downtown Elmira is covered in purple for Domestic Violence awareness month so we never forget. 🤍💜
Women, remember this ... once you discover something damning, do not confront, start a plan to leave if you have already made that decision in your heart, but do not confront. And if you must confront, don't do it alone and never be alone with the person again. Do a witness protection program disappearance.
@@sharpedge3355 Right?? Why do women feel the need to announce things like these? 😩😩
Thanks for your comment ❤
@@sharpedge3355 exactly this!
@lifeafterloss232 you are so desperate and can't think straight. Unless you are going to therapy and someone helps you with an escape plan, it is very difficult to succeed on your own. Narcissistic and abusive partners can make your life so miserable, you do not know what is right or wrong anymore.
Smh
She knew he was cheating on her. Told him she was divorcing him..
He knew he’d lose it all and had her killed, also ordered the house to be burnt down, WITH his children inside of it.
So it didn’t look like murder, it looked like a house fire …and he’d walk away with a whole lot of money & a whole new life, complete with no “daddy responsibilities.”
Brand new life.
That’s about as insidious as it gets.
I pray he’s never EVER released.
This is a Chris Watts if ever I saw it, playing the husband/father game while hating it altogether every moment. Insidious indeed!
Chris watts anyone?
Such a brutal, senseless murder. Those poor kids were there and their daughter saw her mother like that. What a sick man to do this....💔🤬
Keep up the great work Kev, can’t get enough of your content and you are fast becoming one of my favourite voices to listen to 🌈
I so look forward to your videos, you do such a great job, especially remembering the victims. This story is heartbreaking, a divorce will never be as expensive as the rest of your life behind bars.
It's rather ironic that Clayton's legal team decried the data location expert for using pseudoscience when they cite the polygraph as an indicator of their client's innocence.
This was exactly my thoughts also. You can't have it BOTH WAYS!! That's just one of those things that defense attorneys hope the jury doesn't pick up on and to be quite honest, most people probably do NOT catch that detail. You and I are the only ones that I've noticed mentioning this which proves my point that it goes over MOST people's head
Not ironic at all
@@NeverendingSaga but it really is tho. Calling one thing pseudoscience and then they cite the polygraph results to prive a point when that science isnt even allowed as a tool to convict in a court of law. Its very ironic actually
@@kenkaniff8428 a polygraph isn't pseudoscience though... even though you seem to believe that it is.
@@wioia polygraph is useless.
New sub here. Although I've heard this story before as a true crime fanatic, I like your voice and even tones in narrating it. Some of the details you shared were new to me as well. Still as heartbreaking and tragic as when I first heard it back then. Keep up the hard work. I look forward to watching again. Btw, you have the perfect voice for podcasting js..
I have watched the Clayton story many times. This I. Your video, is the first time I learned there was a lookout. That’s a new one. Great video.
If Thomas Clayton _really_ did hire Michael Beard to do what he did, the initial plan was to burn down the house. I mean, any domestic murder is abhorrent but burning down a house with not only your wife but two young children inside is beyond monstrous! To so callously assign price tags to your family’s lives, the family that loves and supports you, is disgusting and depraved. If this is all true then I hope Thomas is continually haunted by his actions and suffers for the rest of his miserable life.
And Michael is a POS as well.
MB although a PoS, only went there to burn down a house, the rest was Tom's crafting.
Narcopaths are not haunted by their actions as they lack empathy and guilt. They don't have a conscience to nag at them. So they have no remorse for their actions. They're completely unbothered with the exception of the silent rage that's always bubbling under the surface over having been caught, exposed (huge ego bruise), and held accountable.
He doesn't feel guilt. He's a psychopath
Tommy boy wanted a clean break, no wife no kids, whoop whoop. He was one cold hearted *astard.
I appreciate your measured storytelling manner. It makes it so much easier to hear and follow the facts, without performative hyperbole. Great job, Kevin. Thank you!
This so heartbreaking. Rest in peace Kelley. I hope the kids live a happy life.
Another job well done. And the long length of your videos is a welcome feature. Thank you again
Their poor daughter.... that poor baby
The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to these conclusions. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement (the guy that admitted he went to the house that night) proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
Your reporting on these cases is amazing. You are impartial & simply report the cases. Incredible control over your emotions
Thank you Kevin! Just binged a wedge of your work and loving it!! Thanks mate. 👍
Thanks James 👍🏻
You do such an amazing job covering these cases and props to you for not doing the really well known cases that we've seen time and time and time again. Everyone deserves to have their story told and I am pretty sure the victim's family members appreciate that you do it in such a thoughtful and respectful way. Great job JTL you are one of my favorite true crime channels.
I was scared Thomas was going to get away with it, because of Michael 's recanted confession. His defence was pathetic! But what else can be expected from a murderer. Glad justice was served in this case.
Yeah, remember his first confession was not recorded (to show coercion). And it makes no sense that he would kill her and not burn the place (the thing that he originally planned & would destroy evidence). Makes more sense that he saw her dead body & freaked out.
Brilliant execution of a tragic story
I listened and re-listened to that 911 call. When the husband says, “just, trust me” it seems (retrospectively) reflective of his mindset.
He just executed a murder. What does he want? To be trusted. So he can get what he wants.
It’s almost unfathomable to me how people like him go through with plans like this.
Thanks so much for another informative and well-delivered upload!
But what solidified and proved that statement as accurate was when the coo saw the body and you heard his reaction. He said something to the effect of "Oh wow, ahhh ok yes she's dead" like she was just smashed to pieces. That's why I feel that statement didn't prove anything. Just my thoughts. Doesn't mean I'm right by any means
@@kenkaniff8428 yes, I agree with you too! The statement doesn't necessarily prove anything, you're right. At the same time, I still find the words "just trust me" to be very curious. I heard the cops reaction. What a horrific scene to be called to!
@@jilliananderson3915 yea the cops reaction was very telling of how horrific the scene/body was🤤
Thank you for your hard work in preparing these videos. You're doing a fantastic job.
This was so heart breaking! Thank you so much for including updates about where the children went. I cannot imagine the trama they have already been through.
Thanks Kevin! I saw this a while ago and the coverage wasn't nearly clear enough, your coverage is great
Just in time for my Sunday commute to work! Keep up the good content Kevin!!
Have a safe trip in 👍🏻
How's your day going? I hope you're having a good day at work. 👍😃
Thanks for another great video. Heartbreaking to hear the little daughter’s description of the attacker.
My god this monster was going to have the house burned down with his wife and 2 kids inside. How evil can you be?
Just found this Channel. Great content and no silly voice. Professional easy to listen to narration. Thanks
More superb coverage. Your fastidious approach is excellent. Currently my favourite channel to see new content appear.
Great to hear 😀
You do such a lovely job with these vids. You seem a calm, nice man and you are wonderfully pleasant to look at as well. I thoroughly enjoy visiting with you!!
I know you're always going to rock it, why I hit like before I watch 🍄👽🌟
This was a tragic case. I stumbled across this today. You have a wonderful clear speaking voice. Very well presented, by far my favourite channel.
What a narcissistic liar. The ultimate betrayal. Makes me not want to trust anyone.
As you shouldn't.
Both young children were home alone with Kelly at the time of her murder.
Given the defendants’ reported plan to burn down the house, in my opinion, both men are also guilty of two counts of conspiracy attempted murder (of both children.)
Thank you for this thorough and engaging account of this horrendous tragedy.
This is sooo confusing, if Michael had the order to burn down the house, why did he enter the house?
What an awful thing for her daughter to be put through, how brave of her, it's as if she knew that it was her dad, shame on him for putting his child through such an horrendous thing, may God bless her and God bless her children 🙏
One of the saddest cases ever.
She looks like any member of my family. Heartbreaking. Especially for her sister. The kids I know are going to prosper under her care. Alot of Love there. I have no words for what they did. Evil, sneaky, selfish, senseless, betrayal, are a few.
Blindsided. Just vicious.
This Tom guy, thought that he was being just so clever -
Using another car
Using another phone always to call the same person/people
Being at his regular poker game.
His actions are so suss to me, like -
The purchase of the bicycle for the “friend”
The borrowing of the other vehicle again, for the friend to use.
The increase of his wife’s life insurance just before she was beaten to death.
The statements of the 16 year old girl (niece).
And finally, all of the incredible work done by “the expert” that looked into and cross referenced ALL of his electronic activities - all his phone calls, his vehicle movements, his locations for each and every electronic action and any and all CCTV related to his movements, and his mobile phone’s movements.
The “gotcha” moment for me was the phone calls. Asking to use someone else’s phone whenever he wanted to call the other guy.
Everyone saw his phone at the poker game and then he lied about it being in his car or something like that. Why?
Why else would you do that?
Gotcha!!
What an absolutely pathetic bastard. I hope that he makes lots of “buddies” in prison, buddies that are aware that he had this done while his little daughter, his kids listened to it all happening.
Never disappointed in your videos. You provide excellent details without making them lengthy. Always a thumbs up! 👍
keep up the good work
I live in the area where this happened. It still haunts everyone to this day…so tragic and so sad. I know her sister Kim…worked with her as well. That family is the sweetest. I only encountered Kelley when I was at the Woodhouse a couple times but we enjoyed her energy! The kids are thriving and growing so fast…breaks my heart that Kelley was robbed of the ability to watch and experience those moments. Hopefully she’s shining down on her family and getting to see her babies become amazing people ❤️
Not only did he order the hit on his wife, but he also ordered that his house be burned down. What about your kids, man?!
I like your style of reporting. To the point no cartwheels acrobats etc.. thanks again
Just subscribed!!! Great channel!!! Thank you!
I listen/watch A LOT of channels. Your's is only one of 2 that I press "Like" before I even start watching. I already know it's going to be great because it ALWAYS is! Thank you Kevin and JTL Crew for all your hard work! ❤❤
that poor baby girl could only describe her daddy n needed to believe he couldn't do it not only that but hugged her mumma as she lay dying heart breaking thanks for another great video x
The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to these conclusions. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement (the guy that admitted he went to the house that night) proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
@@kenkaniff8428 I agree but the dad also did hire the guy so it hurts my heart to think that baby could have seen or heard something to come to the conclusion I hope she's in some type of therapy x
@@theworld340 I'm not even sure that was proven tho🤔 I'm referring to the father (Tom) HIRING Michael. That doesn't mean I'm right by any means but I just feel that aspect of things was NOT proven.
Uuu I’ll
@@wendygeorge8037 what
It’s probably the usual motive. He didn’t want to be with her anymore, but he didn’t want to divorce her either. Why not? Because it’s messy, and more importantly, expensive.
Thanks for another great video!
I tried to watch 2 other videos about this story before I found yours. They were so all over the place, didn't show actual footage etc.. Your video was perfectly made. Straight to the point, footage, talking at a perfect speed etc... Absolutely loved ❤ As a true crime junkie who loves documentaries, I just wanted to comment and let you know that!
Another really sad case. DV cases, or murder for hire are some of the worst ones out there. I hope she is resting in peace and those poor children haven’t suffered any lasting mental damage. Love this channel, very in-depth and compassionate
My heart breaks for the children 😭 I hope they have support and therapy to be able to heal from this shock. 🙏🏻
Very true. The worst part for me wasn't necessarily WHAT she said but how her mind brought her to these conclusions. It's really sad that she processed it all this way. I say that because the evidence and even Michael's own statement proved it was NOT the dad so the fact that the daughter thought these things is really upsetting.
Heartbreaking. This wonderful Mother thought her children were next - and fought for their lives 😢💐
Wow the little girl. She's very intuitive. Surmised he didn't speak as she'd recognize her dad's voice. Recognizing his shoes and mask..."but he couldn't do it, who'd take care of us"
Always a clear and to the point analysis.. keep up the great work Kevin! 👍🏾
Thank you for everyone’s efforts.
It never ceases to amaze me how husbands and wives think that they can get away with murder in this day of DNA and forensics and how the spouse is always the first one considered guilty. 😵
A very clever child and great observation skills and speech.
Wow! This little kid is smart as hell “he couldn’t say anything cause what if we heard his voice” damn…
I've just recently started watching and listening to your Just thought lounge. I love how you tell the true stories. You have such a calming voice. Your stories are well researched. Keep them coming. 😊
Just for thought....it makes a good video to hear the detectives talk and listening to the victims families and friends. It gives them a voice in their crime you talk about. Thank you and God Bless
Absolutely agree. We use all audio / video that is available for our cases to make sure we’re telling a fully fleshed out story. If there’s any media available for a case then you’ll see it here 👍🏻
Great job as always 👏
I subscribed. Sad video, but great commentary. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
Subscribed in the first minute of the video. Could just tell this was going to be a good channel
I listen your your stuff all the time and they're always great, thank you.
An observation from listening to many crime documentaries across many platforms is how they often refer to the victims looks "She was a beautiful woman/beautiful wife"
Looks have nothing to do with anything. We're either born attractive or not. What can one do?.
How about - She was a beautiful person?
Thanks for the support Phil. And I appreciate your point…was never my intention to imply that attractiveness determines someone’s worth.
I watch a lot of crime docs, and I can’t think of one where the victim was overweight and frumpy. Are we just harder to kill/dispose of? Or are we just drawn to the tragedy of a (physically) beautiful person lost? I can joke and say I feel safe being fat, but in seriousness it’s no laughing matter. Beautiful or not, no person deserves to be murdered just to avoid a divorce!
@@sarahewson3607 i think it might have to do with respect to the deceased. Imagine someone saying how ugly and fat a dead person was. I usually don't pay attention to these things because they don't matter
@Phil Casey couldn't have said it better myself. Apparently it's no tragedy if an unattractive person is killed...
@@Nameless.stranger noone is suggesting insulting the dead.
Hi Kevin I really enjoy the way that you tell these stories and look forward to the next.👏🏼👍🏻😁
I think that it is exactly as Michael Beard said ... he was paid to burn the house down and a time and date was agreed upon, leaving Tom with a slot for killing Kelly and thereby setting up MB. He was seen by the child and seen fleeing by MB but it was already to late to undo the damage of the murder and the setup!
Yeah, I believe that’s how all this went down as well.
I was on the fence on who actually murdered the wife the kid, Charlie she was very articulate and nobody would accuse their own father of something if they didn't know deep down what was going on inside that house, she's the one who's solidified it for me. Charlie if you ever read these you're a brave little girl you stand up for yourself, protect your family, and your mom will always be with you.
He is nothing but a true monster and I’m so so sorry for her children he no longer deserves to be called a father.
I love how you tell a story!
Evil despicable man. So sorry to her and her children. Hope her children recover and have a peaceful life.
u really put in quite an effort telling these stories, obviously a lot of research too ; well done !!
That lil baby is deep and intelligent af. Wow
I think Thomas Clayton murdered his wife, went off to a poker game and got the other 2 guys to torch the place, just like they said. The fact that the police interview with the confessions was not recorded is very suspect.
Love ur videos...ur very professional. Keep it up xx
Yes indeed. I've checked out over 80 TC channels and only kept the TOP 18 that I enjoy the most and THIS channel is one of the best. It's in my TOP 5 out of the 18 that I subscribe to. I've checked out so many TC channels but most don't cut it for me. THIS channel is an absolutely brilliant channel!
Topnotch presentation and storytelling, Kevin, as always.
Well done Kevin. Stunningly sad, yet another fabulous Mum, Daughter and woman, cut down by adultery and murder, lying and conniving. Very very sad.....
Very sad indeed Simon…the little girls interview was awful to hear.
God bless little Charlie, what a protective big sister and intelligent witness. Hoping the children are well and in a loving home. 🙏💙