There is a great series of novels by Christian Cameron, called 'The Long War', that starts with the Battle of Marathon and currently ends with the Battle of Plataea. The star is Arimnestos of Plataea, who is actually mentioned in historical accounts. Needless to say it's a bit embellished but the descriptions are fantastic.
Yeah it's a series of books - it reads very authentic and Christian Cameron did a fine research job as far I could spot it. On the other hand it's a novel and I did not want to measure it to the latest archeological finds. I loved them!
And at the end . the Great Civil War in ancient times. Greeks against Greeks. Spartans against Macedonians , Athenians against Spartans etc. The end of the Greek era. Was an easy thing for Romans to take over. The empire of Alexander turned to Roman barbarians over a night or like. Fortunate for the Greeks, Romans seen Greeks as a tutor a teacher and a new era began.
Mardonius being killed by a simple slinged rock has to be the most Monty Python way to go even if such slingers were the norm. The fact that it led his army to disintegrate only adds to it. The Greeks sure won a spectacular victory. Apparently the Greeks fighting for the Persians did so poorly with intent.
No, the most Monty Python would have been for Mardonius to go would be to be crushed under a cow or a wooden rabbit that was launched out of a trebuchet. 😂
During two full days of battle, the small force led by King Leonidas I of Sparta blocked the only road by which the massive Persian army could pass. After the second day of battle, a local resident named Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks by revealing a small path that led behind the Greek lines. Aware that his force was being outflanked, Leonidas dismissed the bulk of the Greek army, and remained to guard the rear with 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians (who refused to leave), 400 Thebans and perhaps a few hundred others. Most of them were killed. That at least what the old records say....
Cavalry attacking infantry was not as depicted in the video. The rider did not want to push his horse into infantry poles and even if would've try it, the horse would not jump into the the thick of the poles, rather it would brutally stop sending his rider flying into them. Cavalry approached the infantry with speed at a safe distance throwing the spear with added momentum from the speed of the horse.Or would go closer with less speed and use the extra momentum to force the spear through the enemy armor. Only when the infantry broke the fighting line, the cavalry forced the hoses through the gaps to enlarge them and create more chaos.
The battle of Mantinea, 362, would have been bloodier for the Greeks as it was Greeks fighting Greeks. The Spartans, the Athenians and their allies against the Thebans and their allies, practically all of Greece.
But if we take the casualties then Plataea was certainly bloodier, maybe 10 000 Greeks and 50 000 Persians for a total of 60 000 casualties, more than all the combatants at Mantinea
@@mikebersiks3280 Plutarch gives the casualties for the Greeks as 1360 and Herodotus as 159. If they are at all accurate , then Plataea would be bloodiest for the Persians, not the Greeks. The number of 10,000 casualties for the Greeks given by Ephorus and Diodorus is not accepted by modern scholars as being far too exaggerated. A modern estimate for Platea by the war historian Somerville in Britannica puts it at 2000 casualties out of 30,000 for the Greeks and 30,000 out of 100,00 for the Persians. The death in battle of the Theban general Epiminondas, considered one of the greatest generals in ancient Greek history, makes Mantinea, 362, a very bloody battle indeed.
Good question! Some Greek city-states had a rudimentary democracy where leaders were elected so people probably voted for men who were known to be good generals. Persia was a monarchy with an aristocratic class whose leaders were not elected but appointed by the king so it may have been that Greece simply had better leaders. Plus the Greeks were fighting for their own land and families while the Persians were far from home in a foreign land.
Because the majority of the Persian infantry was frankly crap. Not well trained, no body armour, shorter spears and often wicker shields. Often peasants given weapons and told to fight. The Greeks, well not professional soldiers either (expect the Spartans) and you could only fight if you could afford the kit. They were however better armed, armoured, motivayed and had a set uniformed fighting stye, the phalanx. All Greek armies fought the same so strategy there was set. Speaking a common language probably helped communication to.
@@adamdavis9838 The Persians were regular soldiers, but as they were mostly bowmen with, as you say, little to no armour and short spears and pavise type shields their doctrine was suited to warfare in the Middle East against horsemen. They were at a massive disadvantage in the confined battlegrounds of Greece where the Greek lack of cavalry was often covered up by bad terrain and the fact that they were up against true heavy infantry who totally outmatched them when they closed to contact. Also the numbers mentioned here are a bit out - the modern consensus is that the armies were roughly even in number with 70 000 Greeks against 80-100 000 on the Persian side with many of them being of doubtful loyalty like the Macedonians and Thessalians
The founders of democracy. Makes me feel proud to be an American. And also makes me wonder what the hell were Persians thinking. Let democracy reign. Because its here to stay.
I've always wondered why someone hadn't devised something like the cheval de frise back then to thwart cavalry. I guess in hind site it seems like an easy solution, but only if it was invented at the time.
Yeah, those frontal assaults(alone) didn't work then, and they didn't work now. Why the Persians, after hitting the Greek supplies, didn't get themselves together, and hit the Greeks from behind(and flanks) together with a frontal assault by their ground forces might have had different results.
Yes you are right but none of the numbers are certain as they’re all estimates so it could be as few as 110,000 but as many as 130,00 my apologies I should have made it more clear 👍
Personally The People Of Ancient Greece Should've Had Archers & Calvary They Would've Not Only Been Victorious But Could've Conqueror & Annihilated The Persain Empire From History?
I still say Alexander the Great would of had a hard time taken Greece if the city_statesvdidnt weaken themselves at that time.All Greecec( Spartans,Athenians,Thebans,Thespians and other hoplites were some badasses.
Xerxis didn't won at Artemisium neither at Thermopylae , even though Hellenes had to go back. Specially at the navy's battle its inaccurate to give Persians the victory. Please don't rewrite historical facts like someone like Gebels would do.
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There is a great series of novels by Christian Cameron, called 'The Long War', that starts with the Battle of Marathon and currently ends with the Battle of Plataea. The star is Arimnestos of Plataea, who is actually mentioned in historical accounts. Needless to say it's a bit embellished but the descriptions are fantastic.
Right up my street, thanks. I've grabbed Killer of Men. Cheers.
Yeah it's a series of books - it reads very authentic and Christian Cameron did a fine research job as far I could spot it. On the other hand it's a novel and I did not want to measure it to the latest archeological finds. I loved them!
And at the end . the Great Civil War in ancient times. Greeks against Greeks. Spartans against Macedonians , Athenians against Spartans etc. The end of the Greek era. Was an easy thing for Romans to take over. The empire of Alexander turned to Roman barbarians over a night or like. Fortunate for the Greeks, Romans seen Greeks as a tutor a teacher and a new era began.
Mardonius being killed by a simple slinged rock has to be the most Monty Python way to go even if such slingers were the norm. The fact that it led his army to disintegrate only adds to it. The Greeks sure won a spectacular victory. Apparently the Greeks fighting for the Persians did so poorly with intent.
No, the most Monty Python would have been for Mardonius to go would be to be crushed under a cow or a wooden rabbit that was launched out of a trebuchet. 😂
@@philshyu5248we don't know if it was a trebuchet. It could have been an angry spoon.
Noooo a giant foot would descend from the sky and stamp on him.
He should of " run away......run away "
What about barbarossa who was kicked from his horse into a river and drowned because of his heavy armor.
Loved this one dude! Keep up the good work!
two minutes in - Lacedaemonians and Spartans are not two different soldier groups - it's the same group. Sparta was known as Lacedaemon...
Ironically, 200 or more Thebans fought alongside the Spartans (and Thespians) at the Thermopylae last stand.
During two full days of battle, the small force led by King Leonidas I of Sparta blocked the only road by which the massive Persian army could pass. After the second day of battle, a local resident named Ephialtes betrayed the Greeks by revealing a small path that led behind the Greek lines. Aware that his force was being outflanked, Leonidas dismissed the bulk of the Greek army, and remained to guard the rear with 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians (who refused to leave), 400 Thebans and perhaps a few hundred others. Most of them were killed. That at least what the old records say....
These videos are helping me gain knowledge, Blessed Be.
Thanks for watching I’m glad you enjoyed
Free, disciplined men against and army of slaves
I visited the Plataea when I went to Greece. There is nothing left there except some old crumbling walls. I went to Marathon and Thermopylae too.
Cavalry attacking infantry was not as depicted in the video. The rider did not want to push his horse into infantry poles and even if would've try it, the horse would not jump into the the thick of the poles, rather it would brutally stop sending his rider flying into them.
Cavalry approached the infantry with speed at a safe distance throwing the spear with added momentum from the speed of the horse.Or would go closer with less speed and use the extra momentum to force the spear through the enemy armor. Only when the infantry broke the fighting line, the cavalry forced the hoses through the gaps to enlarge them and create more chaos.
Yes I know I should have stated this, unfortunately this is not really possible to depict with the game, hope you enjoyed regardless
@@cinematicbattles559 I liked it ! let's hope the video tools will get better for more realistic depictions!
The right analysis but I was somewhat confused úntil l realized that what you were referring tô as poles are in English called spears.
Me too, just realize that poles = spears
@@Cleeon well in the English civil war they were called poles...
The Persians thought those 300 Spartans were tough, now they came face to face with 5000 or more along with all those other Greeks.
Very well done.
Thanks a lot man
Found me a good one thanks
The battle of Mantinea, 362, would have been bloodier for the Greeks as it was Greeks fighting Greeks. The Spartans, the Athenians and their allies against the Thebans and their allies, practically all of Greece.
Oh wow I didn’t know about this battle , I will certainly research it now
But if we take the casualties then Plataea was certainly bloodier, maybe 10 000 Greeks and 50 000 Persians for a total of 60 000 casualties, more than all the combatants at Mantinea
@@mikebersiks3280 Plutarch gives the casualties for the Greeks as 1360 and Herodotus as 159. If they are at all accurate , then Plataea would be bloodiest for the Persians, not the Greeks. The number of 10,000 casualties for the Greeks given by Ephorus and Diodorus is not accepted by modern scholars as being far too exaggerated. A modern estimate for Platea by the war historian Somerville in Britannica puts it at 2000 casualties out of 30,000 for the Greeks and 30,000 out of 100,00 for the Persians. The death in battle of the Theban general Epiminondas, considered one of the greatest generals in ancient Greek history, makes Mantinea, 362, a very bloody battle indeed.
Great video but using AI voice actors kills it. Definitely try to record your own narration in the future!
I’ve been to the battle site, the walls of the Persian camp are still there.
Hello
what modes did you use?
And for the Greek hoplite phalanx
Hi this is the ancient empires mod for total war Attila
What mod do you use to make that phalanx formation?
Its the ancient empires mod, when you are in-game there is an option for it
How could they have lost with such a massive advantage?
Good question! Some Greek city-states had a rudimentary democracy where leaders were elected so people probably voted for men who were known to be good generals. Persia was a monarchy with an aristocratic class whose leaders were not elected but appointed by the king so it may have been that Greece simply had better leaders. Plus the Greeks were fighting for their own land and families while the Persians were far from home in a foreign land.
Easy, the Greeks were fighting with their freedom whereas the persian forces were under the whip and mostly slavery
Because the majority of the Persian infantry was frankly crap. Not well trained, no body armour, shorter spears and often wicker shields. Often peasants given weapons and told to fight.
The Greeks, well not professional soldiers either (expect the Spartans) and you could only fight if you could afford the kit. They were however better armed, armoured, motivayed and had a set uniformed fighting stye, the phalanx. All Greek armies fought the same so strategy there was set. Speaking a common language probably helped communication to.
@@adamdavis9838 The Persians were regular soldiers, but as they were mostly bowmen with, as you say, little to no armour and short spears and pavise type shields their doctrine was suited to warfare in the Middle East against horsemen. They were at a massive disadvantage in the confined battlegrounds of Greece where the Greek lack of cavalry was often covered up by bad terrain and the fact that they were up against true heavy infantry who totally outmatched them when they closed to contact. Also the numbers mentioned here are a bit out - the modern consensus is that the armies were roughly even in number with 70 000 Greeks against 80-100 000 on the Persian side with many of them being of doubtful loyalty like the Macedonians and Thessalians
No armor.
During the battle , how would more than just a few know , the Persian Commander had been killed ?
Is this from a TotalWar mod?
Where can you play?
This is Total War Attila
Ha ha i stay pissed off good show loved it
I believe it was the greatest battle of Hellenism
Pretty good, but the pronunciation of some of the Greek names are poor.
Thank you, unfortunately the voiceover was made with AI and pronounced a number of things incorrectly, hope you enjoyed regardless 👍
@@cinematicbattles559 Yes, thank you.
Su Vlaki
Bigger than the British army is now
Music?
this music is from Farya faraji
Which song do you want to know in particular?
@@herbseinburg449 Yes, I found him. Great music!!!
They didn't have thureos shields at that time.
Very underrated
Thanks man
The founders of democracy. Makes me feel proud to be an American. And also makes me wonder what the hell were Persians thinking. Let democracy reign. Because its here to stay.
I've always wondered why someone hadn't devised something like the cheval de frise back then to thwart cavalry. I guess in hind site it seems like an easy solution, but only if it was invented at the time.
what mods did you use?
The para bellum mod bro
Wich mod did you used?
I think this one was the para bellum mod with some other graphical and enhancement mods such as the blood and gore mod
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a feigned retreat can be a beautiful thing. wouldnt want to fight the spartans-----
I never new Greek woman fought at the battle of Plataea. Woke culture going mad
Which part here said women fought there?
@@mannylugz5872at the end you can see greek women with axe and shield
@@jarlnils435 lol this is a computer generated image using Total War mod. Blame the modder whose probably just trolling incels.
Yeah, those frontal assaults(alone) didn't work then, and they didn't work now. Why the Persians, after hitting the Greek supplies, didn't get themselves together, and hit the Greeks from behind(and flanks) together with a frontal assault by their ground forces might have had different results.
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The guy can not count 40,000 Persians 20,000 Bactrians 20.000 Medes and 50,000 Greeks comes to 130,000 not 110,000
Yes you are right but none of the numbers are certain as they’re all estimates so it could be as few as 110,000 but as many as 130,00 my apologies I should have made it more clear 👍
@@cinematicbattles559 No problem just thought it was a minor error on an otherwise good video
You couldn't just say there's a minor error. You had to say he can't count? Way too itchy on that keyboard finger.
@@banditos2051 Just stating facts you are to itchy on that finger of yours
read Herodotos again , the numbers was away more
persian were more than 200k and greeks cities 110k without cavalry
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Lakedaimonier sind Spartaner, also können es nicht 5000 Lakedaimonier und 5000 Spartaner sein, siehe auch 9. Buch der Historien (9,10,1 & 9,11,3).
Correction on 23 October 1862.
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Very nicely produced however, as a Greek please pronounce the names correctly.
Apologies , the voice over was AI generated, hope you enjoyed regardless 👍
as a greek make your oun video
Frontal Attack on heavy spear with your horses is stupid
No Spartans ?
Lacademonians 😉
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Who really knows? He could have been killed with two halves of a coconut.😪
coconuts didnt exist in europe or mainland asia til recently lol
mardonious army was 300000 ....
No it wasn't the bloodiest battle in all of history.
The argead dynasty under leadership of Alexander lll in Afghanistan. That was the bloodiest .
The depiction of the battle is not correct.
Is this being narrated by a text to speech program? The pronunciations are horrendous.
This video isn’t accurate
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Teleprhonesse
fix your commentary.
Haha
Take a course in "how to pronounce Greek".
My apologies the voice narration is AI generated, otherwise I hope you enjoyed
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take a course on how to make utube videos
Inaccurate. Lost a subscriber.
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This is a joke
No. This is the joke
Horrible text to voice.
Hamlet is worse darling.
Listening to this dude try to pronounce words is painful...
On Second Thought It Looks Like The Army Of Ancient Greece Does Have Archers!!!!!
Personally The People Of Ancient Greece Should've Had Archers & Calvary They Would've Not Only Been Victorious But Could've Conqueror & Annihilated The Persain Empire From History?
I still say Alexander the Great would of had a hard time taken Greece if the city_statesvdidnt weaken themselves at that time.All Greecec( Spartans,Athenians,Thebans,Thespians and other hoplites were some badasses.
I heard the Greek King was a puppet for merchant class. (like today we have a weak president controlled by the elites)
So I Guess They Should've Had Calvary Added To Destroy The Persian Empire.
Alexander of Macedon did it later.
Lacedaimones and Spartans are the same thing.
There were no Greece in 479BCE
I am referring to the geographical location not the country, as you said Greece was not unified at this point
No they have found broken plates back to 900 bc
@@cinematicbattles559 Fair enough!
There were city-States.@@salehfarman9054
Xerxis didn't won at Artemisium neither at Thermopylae , even though Hellenes had to go back. Specially at the navy's battle its inaccurate to give Persians the victory. Please don't rewrite historical facts like someone like Gebels would do.