How to Remove and replace transmission DSG DFM dual mass flywheel remove and replace R & R TDI vw
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- Опубліковано 27 кві 2012
- best deal on goodyear air hose check this out amzn.to/3b5cJvy Here is a step by step to remove the transmission and replace the DMF Dual mass flywheel on the Jetta TDI
here is another updated version of the installation process watch both videos... • How to Remove and repl... - Авто та транспорт
the link below is a new updated version with more detail on the installation Might be helpful to watch both videos before installing the flywheel. ua-cam.com/video/bui43JItzJQ/v-deo.html
There is one thing I love this video about the most is the sound of nature, birds singing and not all that stupid music almost everyone adds to their video and ruining it. Well done pal a lot of details thanks
thanks that Is what I like too. all my newest videos are that way too. I tried the music thing a couple times and now no more. just reality.
@@Mikefngarage That is the best way, keep up the good work. Thanks
I used a cherry picker to get it out. there is a bolt hole on the top of the transmission. I put a bolt threw and hooked it up to the cherry picker then lowered it to the ground. I didn't remove the crossmembrer. I hope I can get it back in the same way the new dmf comes on Tuesday I'll keep you posted. this is the most helpful video I have seen!!!
thanks Mike
yea that sounds like a good way too. trans is awkward and hard to sit on jack. Didnt have one when I did mine. But on the next one I will try that plus make a newer video. thanks for the info
Good to hear it worked for you Lenord Likes to remove the flywheel with the trans in the car to avoid the alignment problem. But I wanted to see what I was doing and torque those bolts correctly.
I just did the same job, at first did it like Leonard suggested removed the fan but it was a battle of 2 hours that I was losing and stop with this procedure,id mikes(also vw procedure) lower frame 3 inches, removed left axle and trans was down in 10 minutes. no space at all. It is pro job I'm a mini/bww tech this job is a bear.
Mike, Thanks for posting this video. Excellent information and useful tips. I am going to be replacing the DMF on my 2006 Jetta soon.
Thanks Leonard. For those of you who are in Southern California who realize after watching this video that this job is not for you. Leonard at Wild Rose motors in Whittier is a great resource to have this done
Thanks for the video, it was helpful. That 12 point socket is called a triple square because the 4 points of a square there are effectively 3 squares that make up the tool so 3x4 is 12 so triple square ... thanks again for the video.
Also known as XZN. Don't use a standard 12 point or you could strip it out.
In Europe it's called a spline bit
@@blower1 No it's not! A spline bit is the generic term for a bit that has splines. This is specifically a triplesquare or XZN bit.
@@dopiaza2006 O ye of little knowledge.....
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As i said, in Europe / UK they are known as spline bits....'tripple square' is what American's refer to them as. Occasionally someone here may call them that, just because of internet global neutrality but spline is the more common name.
Here we have, hex /allen , torx, e-torx, tamper torx and spline bits (primarily for German cars)
...next you will be telling me i should refer to torx bits as double triangles :D
Thanks Leonard for the info. I pulled back the transmission and was going to do as you say and remove the flywheel in the car. But it seemed like a bit of a knuckle buster. plus I wanted to see exactly what was bad. I think next time if I do one again I would do it with the trans pulled back right in place.
It is not necessary to remove the sub frame bolts and the lower control arm's inner bolts. We perform the DSG DMF replacement without having to completely remove/lower the transmission. The key here is to provide enough room to allow for access to the flywheel bolts along with enough room to remove the flywheel from between the engine and transmission separation. We also find that removing the electric cooling fan assembly provides additional room to swing the engine/transmission forward.
Great video doing one myself this week thanks for the info on the hidden bolt , sounds like your in a rain forest nice 👍
Great video! How many bolts you have removed to take the transmisión out of the engine ?
Hi Mike
Great video, please can tell me which was the problem, symptom?
on my TDI 2011 Golf i have the sound strange in P and N, when i turn on the ignition for 3-5 min., only when it is cold, after all is ok.
Thank you
Was there any other parts, seals gaskets or the such that you needed? I'm getting everything together to tackle this myself. Great vid big help.
you made it right. I have seen few of them broken apart. They usually leave flywheel and try to escape through a bell housing by breaking it then is expensive.
Smoke and lack of power its a camshaft proble in PDuse engines
Thanks and the car you sold me has been great for a VW. But it is still the problematic vw that I have known for many years. Awaiting the Chevy Cruze to become a few years old so I can buy one used.
Hi Good Day I have a Volkswagen Jetta 2006 2.0 FSI. i'm goin to replace my transmission do i need to reset it after installation?
this is good video lots of details and advice surely will use it when doing mine clutch.cheers mate
for machanic how many hours it will take to replace fly wheel pls let me know thanks
Great video. Do you have any experience removing eurovan transmissions? I need to replace the timing chains on my 2001 which requires a trams removal.....
Question anyone! When installing the pilot bearing does it need to go in any particular way? Second, does the flywheel on DSG auto have to be in particular order or position other then lining up the right bolt holes? Thanks in advance!
Thank you Mike, it was useful for me.
before I changed it there was a slight rattle especially when I started and stopped the engine. It would continue for a half a second. Kind of a clank. But would occasionally continue at idle intermittently. I didnt want to wait till it was really bad because it can come apart and really make a big problem.
Part 2: Of course, we are performing these DSG DMF flywheel R/Rs on a lift with upper engine crane and tall trans. jack along with having performed 150+ of these model year 2005.5 - 2006 VW TDIs with engine code BRM. Mike does a nice job here and I realize he is performing this task on jack stands so, I can't say for sure if our process of not removing sub frame bolts and LCAs would be applicable. While doing this job,check to see if there is soot coming from the EGR cooler and do rpl. it now
You can’t clean the egr cooler? Do you absolutely have to buy a new one?
@@hardcore4476 Those EGR coolers leak exhaust through the flapper valve shaft seal and therefore a cleaning is useless in this matter. It must be replaced.
The 12 point vw set is available at most auto parts stores. Orielly has it for I think under $10. there is a set of 4. you will need a few different sizes. It is obvious when you get the battery box out. There are better sets from snap-on and Mac tools if you are a pro. that have harder steel.
Please i want to know how car ecu know that clutch plates are finished and what sensor responsible for that
I have clutch faults but car smoth and no issues
Nice job. Was it making loud noise when running
DSG after 2005,5 are pretty reliable but I would agree the stick shift is much better especially when you change to the solid flywheel. But if you change the oil regularly on the DSG it can go many many miles without a problem. Just need to remember to do the 40k service.
im doing a vw golf 96 any videos on the clk auto matic transmission?
+ant mer no The older automatic transmissions vw made are pretty much trash from my experience. Most people convert to stickshift. If you are successful at rebuilding them post anything you can. Most people are unsuccessful. sorry for the bad news.
Good Video 😊
Can you tell my your engine number? I want to compare with mine. I'm a bit confused. I can see your flywheel and the clutch are mounted to the engine, someone told me that on the DSG they are on the gearbox.
Is that right?
I have changed manual gearbox before but never tried to automatical.
It can sound like a stupid question but isn't any difference?
Does anyone know what Luk Dmf# is needed for a 2011 Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 TDI Cjaa 6speed DSG Automatic? I hear DMF181 or DMF126 and possibly another one but not sure.. Thank you 🙏🏻
Lovely video and I see you know your stuff. Quick question. Is it the same on automatic dsg? My flywheel have gone bad on my Skoda superb 2.0tdi automatic dsg. Workshop Said they need some special tools that normal people are not allowed to buy...
That’s bull! This is pretty much identical and there’s a guy with skoda on here showing same job.
Hi there i have an Audi a5 3.0 tdi Quattro. I have an excessive vibration in the cabin of the car. I took it to one garage and they told me all i need to do is change the engine mounts, i also took it to another garage and they said not only do i have to change the engine mounts but i have to change the dual mass fly wheel as well. When i turn the ac on, the car revs goes from 610 to 910 and the vibrations stops completely until the ac is turned off again. Do you think this could be a problem with the dual mass fly wheel. Many thanks !!!!!! Please get back to me asap before i waste a lot of money !! P.S the engine sounds completely the same when i engage and dis engage the clutch.
The frame when you install it can move as much as 1/4 of an inch. If when you tighten it back up, you drive the car and your steering wheel is off at all or your car pulls either direction. you need to have the car re-aligned. They will charge you usually 1 extra hours labor to loosen the frame and move it to the specified area. It usually causes a caster problem and can make your steering wheel off center. Test drive after install!!!!
These DSGs are not as bad as you might think. They do need fluid and filter properly changed every 40K miles and there is a VCDS calibration process that can be performed after each fluid/filter change which adjust wear tolerances.
Thanks for the info.
Hi Mike, Thanks for the Video. I have a 06 Jetta BRM. It seems to only make noise when the engine is cold in Park and Neutral. Drive is fine and when warm no more noise in Park. Do you think I am ok to wait a bit on the DMF replacement?
that is when I replaced mine. waiting could cause it to come apart and possibly ruin the trans or engine case.
Mike F Thanks for the quick reply and no special tools needed for the job?
You mentioned 12mm tool, but there is bigger bolts that im wrestling with to disconnect trany from engine. I think they are 16mm. Did you remove those ?
Thank you
+russ b Hope you got yours done. I belive you are referring to the outside diameter of the engine bolts if so yes.
i got a 2012 TDI sportwagen that has a imploded DMF. I don't get why every website lists the 2010-2014 VW Golf/JSW as having a different DMF than the 09 model. The DMF092 Luk part number says it won't fit but the part itself looks identical to the 2010-2014 OEM Sachs unit. Anyone know if the revised Luk will fit? It is also substially cheaper (350 shipped vs 650 for the OEM sachs)
+shaeet check with wild rose motors in whittier ca he does these all the time. Might be a big help for you.
would this task on the jetta be the same as a 2006 gti?? I'm debating on replacing the flywheel myself and will deffinetly use this for assistance, just wanted to know if there would be any major difference between this vehicle and a 06 gti. thanks!
ktown1023 probably similar. One of the guys commented not to drop the trans but pull the radiator and move it out of the way enough to pull the flywheel in place no frame removal. Good trick I would try if I did it again.
How much $ did you get the new DFM ?
I have a 2005 Passat TDI the seal inside the transmission broke. I opened it up and replaced the seal and put everything back together and now the transmission doesn't shift smoothly and the car will not go into reverse until it is warmed up. I am stuck and cannot figure out what to do from here. Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks.
Kyle Marshall If it is an early 2005 automatic. Probably bad news and pretty expensive. Not many people are successful at rebuilding those. I am hearing the dealer is the only trusted source. But Dont really know for sure.
Hi Mike. I noticed that your new flywheel got some play as well. I would like to ask you if you had any issue with it because of that. Thank you.
a few years and 100k miles and still working well. the play is normal. I think basically it is that the new flywheel has more sturdy springs and better retainers. Dont know that for sure but it has been working well.
What is your opinion of the luk dmf? I am replacing mine very soon and would love some REAL feedback vs the usual bs from the guy who can't repair his own vehicle. Thanks
what size is the tool? 12 point what??
I got a 2010 pasat 2.0 turbo. Transmissions went to neutral n wont shift gears. What could it be?
was it the clutches
Was this on an automatic or Manuel do they both have dual mass fly wheels my automatic Is doing the same thing
automatic. but yes they are both DMF. there is a single mass flywheel kit available for the stickshift to convert it to the single. Pretty much the same job but the trans is lighter.
Can you expand on how the shifter linkage comes off? Looking at it its not obvious and there seems to be nothing on the web.
+Justin F I dont recall what was required to remove it. Must have been somthing simple. A clip or a bolt. Otherwise I would have expanded it. Just went over the main problems with removing and installing it.
Great video
One more thing I will need to add... You will need to have your car re aligned and the frame repositioned after install. Most alignment shops charge extra for repositioning the frame.
Would that need to be performed just removing the driver side engine mount? Also how much does it cost usually to have the frame aligned?
is this car similar to a vw cc?
Bad mechatronics on my 06 A3 2.0T :( If audi wont "goodwill" me a new mechatronic than I will replace the DSG with a used one. This vid gives me hope :) I've never done one before but have some mechanic experience. How long will this take a noob? Should I also get the service manual?
+michael bertucci Not long about a full day to replace. IF your having problems with your dsg. Usually the issue is the valve body. Nobody will fess up at VW about it. I believe it is an in car repair. Typically People differ their oil changes on the dsg and the valves stick causing odd shifting problems. Dealer recommends oil DSG oil changes 40k miles.
Where do you get a service manual from?
Did you use a cherry picker to get the trans back in? I would think thats whats needed but Im not expert like you
+michael bertucci No just balanced it on a floor jack. They dont balance very well and it is a bit of a fight. If you are trying to do your own. I would highly recommend pulling the trans back without pulling it out all the way. From some other comments by someone else that does them all the time He said it can be done. thanks For watching.
Hi i take out the transmission out of 2004 GOLF Tdi . but i try to take take out the Dual mass flywheel bolt are not accessible , any idea to bring them back to the hole position . so i can remove the DMF bolt.
thanks
sajeev
+Sajeev Kumar anything older than 05.5 I would not mess with. Early VW automatics were pretty much trash. The dsg has some issues but not as many as the older ones.
I heard use a cutting disc and cut the outside flywheel off in other discussion about that problem.
Which one good luk or Sachs for flywheel and clutch.l have golf tdi 1.6 2009
Updated LUK sold on ebay is best. But even they wear out over time. It saves engine wear though. I have 209000 on my jetta in the pic no flywheel issues again yet or engine wear for that matter
SACHS 2295 000 487 is a superior dmf although it costs $200 more than the LUK
For those of you who are new to TDI or are looking to buy a used TDI. Leonard at Wild Rose Motors in Whittier, knows the cars and exactly what usually is wrong, Repairs them up to date and sells them at what I consider a reasonable price with the services done. You may spend an extra $1000 on your car but it could save you many more thousands because you dont know what you are getting.
Mike - excellent video! I need the part number (aftermarket or VW) for 2009 TDI DSG DMF - can you post it here? thanks! Gary
There is someone on ebay selling them for 400 it just look up flywheel for 2009 tdi with or without dsg whatever one you have it will be clearly listed. LUK makes the original but these ones online should be upgraded.
+Mike Farnham correction I believe original is Sachs.
my 06 vw tdi engine locked up would a failed clutch cause an engine to lock up, started making noise then would not turn over timing belt still there,
Well if it is the flywheel it would have been making noise for a while. Highly unlikely but possible.. Probably engine problem. How was the oil? Remember these cars are designed to use oil to lubricate the turbo. You need to top them off between oil changes... if it was the flywheel and it has happened. usually it would have some case damage on the bell housing around the transmission.
also on an 06 the cam wears out often causing noise. but would not normally cause engine to lock up unless the worn valve train caused the valve to stick open from wear around the cylinder head. Cam wear is usually average 120k miles. So if your engine is bad. I would recommend replacing it with a used engine and if the engine has more than 120k miles put a new cam in with that. Also use Penotosin 5-40. this will make the cam last longer. using substandard oil is a common problem with the tdi.
+Mike Farnham 250k mile bkc engine, engine turning at crank with spanner ,5 w 30 oil every 6k by me, timing belt changed 25 k , was not burning oil loads of power, it did sound rattley I just thought thats just the sound of a diesel, I suspect dmf /clutch problem v puzzeled
Im not sure the specifics of how they come apart but I know if they are not taken care of they do. I have heard of the dmf going through the case but not locking up. Your saying the engine turns but not with the starter in that case I would tear it down and inspect. May have locked into the starter. Only a guess.
oh. also these engines usually dont make much rattling sound. Just a slight clicking. Here is the best description of how the flywheel sounds when going bad. You usually hear a shuttering after you shut down the engine. Normally you shoudnt hear anything when you shut the engine down. If you were hearing any noise while it was running there was definately a serious problem. I run 5-40 synthetic 505.1 pentosin. That is the only oil other than Motul I would run in one of these as well. If the engine is turning it probably is not bad probably DMF came apart. I would tear it down and check
no just the flywheel and the versachem mega black for the threads
How long do you let Versachem sit on a bolt before installing?
thanks
If you want to do far more work than necessary, then follow this procedure!
Can you list or describe a better way please? Going to be doing this soon and would love to hear your input!
Did you reuse all the original bolts? I've read forums with people saying it's okay to reuse the original bolts and others saying absolutely don't.
all the bolts for the flywheel should be replaced. Most of the others are ok to reuse. To be sure check the torque specification and look for torque to yield specs. If they have a torque specification that says torque to "" lbs and then turn 1/4 or 1/2 turn. then that bolt is a stretch bolt and should be replaced. Stretch bolts are made of spring steel and are like a spring that holds even pressure even when there is wear on the parts. All other bolts that I am aware of are not torque to yield. And most are not as critical as the flywheel so I did not replace them. Only the flywheel bolts for me.
Tyler Nunley All personal preference and what you're going to do with the vehicle. will possibly make it easier for next time if you replace the bolts so they're not rusty and hard to deal with
@@Mikefngarage Where do you find the torque specs for everything touched on this DMF job?
@@Mikefngarage Where do you find the torque specs for everything touched on this DMF job?
So I went to the VW dealership yesterday and the guy at the parts counter said the reuse all the tty bolts unless the look bad! I was kinda shocked and other then new flywheel bolts I got new new motor mount bolts and will use Versachem on all of them.
i had probelms with the dmf on a mk5 tdi dsg 140 , changed it to a new luk dmf , after a lot of investigation found that one of the mounts wasnt in place 100% fixed that now no noise ; buuut a new problem is here , now if the car is cold ( aka cold start) it does some weird fluctuation in rpm between 700 and 1 k feels weird + if u lift off the brake in D or R it feels like it s gonna stall ( no noise other than of it near stalling ) sometimes it shuts off , no loss in power , no codes , and it s normal when warm doesn t near stall if u lift off without accelerating .... if someone reading this has ever had this or similar to it on a similar car plz help , i m still trying to diagnose the problem different ways but if by chance someone can help it d be great
Try doing a trans adaption procedure. Check ross tech website. Not sure on the fluctuation of RPM. is it gas or diesel if gas you might have a vacuum leak which would cause all those issues. Hose off or broken somewhere. I use propane or carb spray to find it.
@@Mikefngarage i had a little leak in the little tube that goes in the egr + a bad mass air flow sensor just a coincidence that the problem started after the dmf change ( tdi is diesel ) , thanks for the help and hey , for how little u know my car u were kinda right on the leak :)
Bring, the car is how it can be any that kind of a faults under 10 years old in it?
Well as you may know I have owned several VWs. And I will be the first to admit they are quite problematic and particular. If serviced right they can be fairly reliable in comparison to other models.I have had the following problems. AC, FAN, Flywheel, rear brake pads, and diesel flapper. That is it 180k miles. The MPG of the diesel engine is unmatched in the USA. But I might consider the Chevy Cruze with the eco diesel as a competitive option.
Is this process pretty similiar to MKV GTI?
Never done one but I know the trans is different. I would immagine the flywheel is very similar and still question why VW is not changing the design on these
Skoda Superb 2.0 125KW DSG. Vibrates/shudders on acceleration. If DSG in N. no issues. The problem is not related to vehicle speed, rather how much torque is applied, worst between 1500-2500 RPM. Drive axles, bearings, wheels, engine mounts replaced, no difference. I suspect the DMF is failling although no rattling is heard. The vibration can be felt when driving at highway speed as well, feels like wheels are unbalanced but as soon as the DSG i set to N or the foot is lifted the vibrations are gone. Anybody has had these symptoms?
I have never really heard of those symptoms but I did have a vibration in mine. Just could feel a bit in the steering wheel not like brake rotors but just almost like a misfire. flywheel was just too loose. No cracks. I would start on the flywheel to rule it out.
Thanks. I plan to reinstall old drive axles which I replaced due to a loose sleeve. I they make no difference then off goes the gearbox, inspect maybe replace DMF and later I just put the new axles back in. Lets see what this uncovers...
Yea probably if you are over 200km it would not hurt to replace the DMF. Mine lasted 200k miles so that is near 300km on my 2009 on my 06 the DMF went out at 100k miles which is around what 150km. Usually it makes a shuttering when you shut off the engine. FYI I do have an updated more comprehensive video on this channel for the DMF
Finaly found the error! It was the left side CV-Axle failing after only 5000km. Now it drives perfect!
if you rotate the gearbox you dont have to undo bolts on subframe
Yea figured that out and made another video little tight but you can get it out. Even easier is service position does take a little more time but easier
How much has it been driven?
I have put 60k miles on the car since the Flywheel replace and no issues
+Mike Farnham now approaching 100k miles. no issues
I'm not sure why people keep saying LUK is better than the one you buy from the VW dealer because the one from the VW dealer is made by LUK so there is no difference except the much higher dealer price. I also don't know why people are saying the DSG isn't reliable? I am thinking they dont have a VW with a DSG because mine has 170,000 miles and is still running perfect and I didn't even follow the 40,000 mi fluid changes, The fact is the standard transmission is less reliable because they have a LOT of clutch problems and many complaints about premature clutch failure that the warranty doesn't cover.
Safe biker I still can't see how you are saying the manual is more reliable than DSG. The dual mass flywheels go bad in either transmission and to update my last post I'm now at 191,000 problem free miles with my dsg. I have had over 25 cars and more than half had manuals, but even the best manual driver is never going to shift faster than the DSG auto. By the time you go from first to second I will be a car length ahead.
s40volvoguy Let me clairfy on the DSG and Manual argument. The early pre 2005.5 automatic vw were trash. They would not last. The DSG is really good but very tight tolerance in the valve body. So it is important you replace trans fluid at 40k miles. The manual has a great option from LUK they have a solid mass flywheel replacement. One time replacement. I still am uneasy about the LUK replacement but at 90k miles still solid as a rock. So at almost 200k miles DSG is silent and shifts perfectly. I just wish they had a dipstick. Those crazy Germans...
Omg this is why you should take to real mech Lol......
I would only use the LUK. These are another VW flawed design. I have been working on vws for 30 years and they are a problematic car. Who could figure they need a 2 piece design for a flywheel. The LUK is suppose to have a heavier spring and sronger design but it is still a 2 piece so I am crossing my fingers.
that timing chain job is miserable. Skull and cross bones to the VW vr6. yuck. I would plan on replacing the engine with a rebuilt because often the gears get sucked into the oil pump and destroy everything, Man just look into a TDI changeout and scrap that engine!!!!
Dude! You called your video R & R flywheel but did not show anything about removing the actual flywheel. All you showed was the transmission housing removal.
+Brent Purnell im not sure if you were watching the same video I posted. Removing the actual flywheel from he engine is a no brainer. Getting the trans out of the way is the real issue.
It's only a no brainer if you know what you are doing, or have done it before. I wanted to see it done so I could decide if I should even tackle it. Either way, after many hours, I finally got the thing apart and back together with a new clutch, thanks in large part, to videos like yours.
So wrong
Can you upload a list on the right way?
most dsg are not reliable. thats cuz urs lasted doesnt mean everyone will. Just get a typical automatic and it will last longer that piss of shit dsg...or just get a toyota so u dont fuck aorund with this shit.