120fps! But At What Cost? - 120hz Mode Analysis

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  • @Ermz
    @Ermz Рік тому +44

    Nice video. The lessened input lag is the biggest benefit I noticed in 120hz.

    • @Sideways_Singh
      @Sideways_Singh Рік тому +6

      You can also do 120fps and resolution mode that averages around 100 fps and u take no hit in resolution and graphics

    • @Ermz
      @Ermz Рік тому +6

      @@Sideways_Singh Are you sure this is the case? That's the mode I ran, and I could've sworn there were more jaggies on screen.

    • @Sideways_Singh
      @Sideways_Singh Рік тому +2

      @@Ermz according to the youtube channel gaming tech who does deep dives and comparisons on this stuff its the same graphics and res with 120hz ray trace/resolution mode but just the fps is unlocked and it hits 90+

    • @Ermz
      @Ermz Рік тому +1

      @@Sideways_Singh It blows my mind that they would've artificially locked it in the first place.

    • @FormulaDigital
      @FormulaDigital  Рік тому +4

      The problem is that the selection for ray tracing or framerate only applies to replays or menu screens. It doesn't affect gameplay at all, as confirmed by Digital Foundry. Can you link to this video you are referring to? There is a huge and very noticeable hit to resolution in 120fps mode for me and logically I cannot see how else they could double the fps.

  • @ertugrulbae46
    @ertugrulbae46 Рік тому +1

    4k at 90fps-120fps? That's mad

  • @MightyMostert
    @MightyMostert Рік тому +22

    My LG G2 runs 4K at 120fps. HDMI 2.1 connected. Tv is set on gaming setting 4k 120fps with vrr.
    Now you can put GT7 in 120fps with 2 options.
    1. Frame rate fixed at 120fps
    2. Resolution/ray tracing and then the vrr does the job and keeps de fps between 90 and 120 fps.
    I prefer option 2. Graphics will not downgrade much. Only on colour depth 4.4.4 croma downsize to 4.2.2.

    • @EpiCz_Izzy
      @EpiCz_Izzy Рік тому +1

      G1 here and yes option 2 all the way. What a nice free update. GT isn’t resting with Forza looming.

    • @dennisa7784
      @dennisa7784 Рік тому

      How do you enable option 2

    • @MightyMostert
      @MightyMostert Рік тому +2

      @@dennisa7784 in GT7 option menu.. you have an option for framerate or reso..

  • @vyasrushi5177
    @vyasrushi5177 Рік тому +16

    Did you check out 120FPS with prefer resolution???? That's the way to go...you get average 90fps and no drop in visual quality

    • @MisterReen
      @MisterReen Рік тому +3

      Yes that’s the way to go here :)

    • @user-kf6fl5if4k
      @user-kf6fl5if4k Рік тому +3

      Exactly. That’s how I’ve been rolling since the patch. It’s glorious.

  • @Dave062YT
    @Dave062YT Рік тому +11

    Ps5 comes with a HDMI 2.1 cable so don't waste money buying an after market one [like I did]

    • @user-kj9iy7fk5i
      @user-kj9iy7fk5i Рік тому +1

      you also need a monitor or tv with hdmi 2.1

    • @Dave062YT
      @Dave062YT Рік тому

      @@user-kj9iy7fk5i Yeah mine costs a grand for 43in but I got a "second "for 650 thats perfect ,still had the stickers on

  • @mercurymachines4311
    @mercurymachines4311 Рік тому +17

    120Hz mode in resolution mode is amazing. Combine that with the new physics etc and they have taken GT7 to the next level 🙌🏻

  • @SuellioAlmeida
    @SuellioAlmeida Рік тому +3

    I will 1000 times out of 1000 choose playability, less input lag and smoothness than video quality. The game is gorgeous enough already :P

  • @trebm3
    @trebm3 Рік тому +12

    The blur is due to putting it on framerate mode instead of fidelity mode when in 120 mode. When you put it at 120 fidelity the blur goes away…

    • @zx_fra
      @zx_fra Рік тому +1

      That’s very bad for me, i would loved motion blur effect at 120 hz, not only the resolution wouldn’t bensuch a problem, but also it would be SO much more realistic.

    • @trebm3
      @trebm3 Рік тому

      @@zx_fra this doesn't have anything to do with motion blur, it has to do with resolution lowered when framerate is prioritized. This was a standard setting prior to 120hz mode, when you run it in framerate and 120 the blur is more prominent. If you leave it at 120 and fidelity mode it's clean and runs really nice.

  • @3DWorldMan
    @3DWorldMan Рік тому +59

    the fact the ps5 can run this at 120fps is insane

    • @ithinkitwaskhamas
      @ithinkitwaskhamas Рік тому +7

      Why?

    • @mileshenessey
      @mileshenessey Рік тому +25

      Not insane, all of us already knew the power of new gen consoles, is just the devs not optimising their games for high frame rates.

    • @redcastle3522
      @redcastle3522 Рік тому +4

      @@mileshenessey still impressive

    • @regwatson2017
      @regwatson2017 Рік тому

      If they want to compete with 4000 series GPUs it's not.

    • @gotworc
      @gotworc 10 місяців тому

      ​@@regwatson2017consoles with APUs are not competing with dedicated graphics cards.

  • @olandscape
    @olandscape Рік тому +8

    As a Nurb and rally enjoyer, it has been great to experience that extra smoothness. Especially after a year of having my 144hz monitor and GT7. The most noticeable differences are the motion blur and resolution, as you said. Though in my opinion it makes up for the extra frames.
    Also there is a pretty interesting bug I found when using 120hz mode, where if you tap the gas lightly on cars with ALS, a very large flame would appear, i have made 3 showcase videos on my channel. Thank you for the video. 😊

  • @skyhightrees
    @skyhightrees Рік тому +7

    This video is full of BS. Not knocking on you personally, but VRS is not anywhere near the same as the Foveated Rendering in PSVR2. Both modes are separate. Furthermore, if you set it to Resolution mode + 120hz you'll have a checkerboard 4K image instead of Native and it looks mostly the same, while running at 80-90fps on races and 100fps on TTs.

    • @skyhightrees
      @skyhightrees Рік тому

      Edit: I thought it would get better but it doesn't, unfortunately this video has incorrect info

    • @vvvvel
      @vvvvel Рік тому

      PS6 will be native 4k 120hrtz no worries.

    • @FormulaDigital
      @FormulaDigital  Рік тому

      developer.nvidia.com/blog/vrs-wrapper/. Foveated rendering is the combination of eye tracking and variable rate shading, at least according to NVIDIA.
      There might possibly be two separate techniques used PD in GT7 but if you know of another way they might be rendering distant detail at lower resolution then I would love to hear it.

  • @KaramelKing07
    @KaramelKing07 Рік тому +7

    I would argue that frames per second are equally important for FPS and racing games.

  • @RedPMD
    @RedPMD Рік тому +6

    I absolutely LOVE 4K 120HZ on GT7 with my PS5 DE & LG CX 65" OLED TV

    • @SundraTanakoh
      @SundraTanakoh Рік тому

      Yep, same here except a Samsung not LG. Totally thrilled at the picture, no blurring no pixel problems. Frigging crystal clear and smooth as a baby's butt.

    • @fun-ghi
      @fun-ghi Рік тому

      The replay is also super smooth now (instant game response on, HDR-Game picture mode)

  • @racejase979
    @racejase979 Рік тому +15

    Just turn on Ray Tracing and 120hz if you don’t like the visuals and the game will run the same visuals as before but with an unlocked frame rate and VRR enabled. This works on my setup although my TV is limited to 1440p at frame rates > 60. Additional benefit is that the parts of the game that use Ray Tracing are no longer capped at 30fps.

    • @tears2040
      @tears2040 Рік тому +4

      Negative , RT mode and 120Hz is a clear performance hit in visuals vs RT mode 60Hz.

    • @Eat-MyGoal
      @Eat-MyGoal Рік тому +1

      ​@@tears2040incorrect

    • @deezmacnutz3400
      @deezmacnutz3400 Рік тому +1

      ​@@tears2040 actually totally correct. These other kents are blind

  • @augustusx82
    @augustusx82 Рік тому +5

    You have to turn ray tracing on in order to match the visual settings in 60 fps. Once you do that the visual quality between 89-100 fps and 60 fps are identical…and both are in 4K. If you turn off ray tracing the game runs at 1080p but a higher frame rate closer to 118fps. On a 4K tv those extra frames arent worth it. The game is awesome at 90-100 fps at 4K

    • @vegetaaddict7754
      @vegetaaddict7754 Рік тому

      This. I've got mine set like that and it runs beautifully.

    • @deezmacnutz3400
      @deezmacnutz3400 Рік тому

      You are both right it runs beautifully. But there's just no way it's the same quality as the 4k 60 mode, beyond even just resolution alone, it's actually impossible for ps5 to do that.
      The game was optimised for 60, smooth and it still dips on occasion. It's not like clicking the unlock button gives you a free 30fps with same exact settings just because you unlocked it. There's clear visual differences when you start looking closely. But all good for you if it's worth the trade!

    • @augustusx82
      @augustusx82 Рік тому +1

      @@deezmacnutz3400 i cant see any differences in the 120 fps VRR mode compared to the 60 with ray tracing on.

    • @rogierkraan
      @rogierkraan Рік тому +1

      In the settings it says 120fps mode will automatically disable ray tracing

  • @vvs6433
    @vvs6433 Рік тому +4

    I honestly like 4K with rock solid 60fps and original image quality more than variable framerate with variable resolution and few more new tricks. It seems to me that devs had to use every trick in the book to make the game looks decent with more than 60fps and because of that you expirience way more graphical glitches and just overall worse gaming expirience.

  • @tears2040
    @tears2040 Рік тому +2

    120Hz is nice but graphics take a hit, 60fps and higher quality is my choice on PS5.
    From 30fps to 60fps there’s a huge difference while playing on tv.
    120hz feels smoother , but not such a difference like 30 to 60.
    Playing on a console with tv, 4k 60 or any form of upsampling technique is perfectly fine with me.
    I actually like playing God Of War Ragnoräk unlocked which is amazing around 70-90fps and still looks good.
    Main problem I have with 120hz mode and favor resolution is the cars become a Jaggie mess.
    60fps option for ME 🔥

  • @Sideways_Singh
    @Sideways_Singh Рік тому +3

    You can also do 120fps and resolution mode that averages around 100 fps and u take no hit in resolution and graphics

  • @IJFJJAJI
    @IJFJJAJI Рік тому +1

    Fps is always way more important than graphics. Id rather play a game at 1080p lowest settings just to get 144+ fps than play at 4k max settings and get 60fps

  • @dream.machine
    @dream.machine Рік тому +2

    Subscribed! Excellent video 👍
    Edit: I just noticed that those cars disappeared out of thin air like in The Matrix at 10:13

  • @kresimircosic9035
    @kresimircosic9035 Рік тому +3

    From technical perspective, it's a really impressive game. I also found that the slipstream area changes depending on the wind vector. So if the wind's perpendicular to the vector you and someone in front is moving, it affects the slipstream area the farther back you are from the car in front; you can see the wind effect on the water spray as well - same happens for the slipstream area; the farther you are the more you need to move to the side where the wind is blowing and changing the slipstream area.

  • @mateuszbuczma1956
    @mateuszbuczma1956 Рік тому +1

    What TV do you have. I see it's some LG model but which exactly

  • @adrianlugo1130
    @adrianlugo1130 8 місяців тому +1

    gt7 looks like that with 120 fps? THATS INSANE, seeing cars at 120 make them look faster and more real

  • @BishopRealTalk98
    @BishopRealTalk98 Рік тому +1

    I'll gt7 on a Nintendo, if it makes me quicker.

  • @SimonHenriquez
    @SimonHenriquez Рік тому +1

    Great video, but you forgot about distances, something that is crucial in racing games.
    Lets say we calculate in meters per second, then for 60 meters per second you go roughly at 216 km/h
    So at that speed 60Hz you roughly see 1 meter every frame, but at 120Hz at the same speed you should see now 50 centimeters every frame, if your braking point is at 91.5 meters, and your timing is right, you have 2 times more chances to hit your braking point at 120Hz.
    Now lets say you are travelling at 432 kmh, you are going 120 meters per second, for every frame per second you are travelling one meter at 120Hz, if you are at 60Hz every frame you are seeing the distance going by 2 meters instead, you get the point...
    More FPS = more precision to judge distances at high speeds, I tested a lot on pc, for me I have trouble seeing above 90Hz either way :p
    The last thing I would add it's also at more than 90 fps you can turn off Vsync, as your eyes won't be able to register the tearing at such speed ^^
    That would be all! Have a nice day!

  • @deezmacnutz3400
    @deezmacnutz3400 Рік тому +5

    Nice one. You're the first vid I've seen addressing the true visual downgrade and not just going "OMG INSANE GAME CHANGING UNREAL AWESOME AMAZING UPGRADE". There's so many clowns saying there's no noticeable visual difference and it's totally free performance 🤦🏻‍♂️ Sums it up perfect to say its great we have choice.

  • @adzamree6870
    @adzamree6870 Рік тому +1

    If you have Vrr enable monitor/tv always choose RT or fidelity mode, thats the whole point of it. 4k + higher fps, not 1080p 120fps

  • @sawdust8691
    @sawdust8691 Рік тому +1

    This was a mighty long video just to say, "The 120fps mode isn't worth the resolution drop in this game."
    I will say that if someone wants higher fps but not as big of a visual hit, turn on Prioritize Raytracing/Resolution and turn on 120hz.
    You will get a picture that is still sharp enough, and also get up to 100fps. But only use this mode if your display has VRR!!

  • @hithere2776
    @hithere2776 Рік тому +1

    Exactly since GT7 is not a fps game 120 frames won’t give an advantage.

  • @JelaniSuper
    @JelaniSuper 8 місяців тому +1

    This was more useful for me than Digital Foundry’s video

  • @lloydfrancis9149
    @lloydfrancis9149 4 місяці тому

    120 FPS with PS5 does not allow vrr like the Xbox series X. 4K 60 with the PS5 seems to be okay, the HDR causes ghosting. 120 HZ works better on Xbox series X at 1440 p no HDR thanks 🙏

  • @benhodkinson6467
    @benhodkinson6467 Рік тому

    Can UA-cam display 4K 120 htz? I am not an expert on the subject but I suspect it cannot, which makes watching this a bit pointless……

  • @aldronacealcasid5527
    @aldronacealcasid5527 Рік тому

    grand turismo 7 perfectly runs on 4K 60hz , dont like the quality on 120hz

  • @GarageKei
    @GarageKei Рік тому +1

    Great video as always.
    Totally lost but still enjoyed it.

  • @yamandoesstuff9755
    @yamandoesstuff9755 7 місяців тому

    Every time i put it on 4k 120 with vrr it still switches to 1440p
    Can anyone help?

  • @micketkeong
    @micketkeong Рік тому +2

    PD just release this game on PC please, my 13900K and RTX 4090 will run this game 4K max settings with no problem. This is the only reason I don't buy PS 5.

  • @yourtallness
    @yourtallness Рік тому

    10:42 hilariously bad engine sounds

  • @uspnightfire115
    @uspnightfire115 Рік тому

    I have an Odyssey G9 monitor and couldn't figure out how to get 120hz activated. Had to buy a powered HDMI to Display Port cable. Did the trick and is way better fps wise, but the graphics aren't amazing up close on my display. However, I have to argue that 120hz is superior. Far too many times the game likes to dip frames in fast cars, at the apex, while sliding. That makes it's really hard to catch the car before it's too late. 120hz vastly improves this. I'll take the pixel graphics off track or at a long distance for smooth images any day of the week.

  • @FormulaDigital
    @FormulaDigital  Рік тому +4

    First!

  • @eSKAone-
    @eSKAone- Рік тому

    My Thrustmaster T300 + Wheel Stand Pro V2 + IKEA Poäng are very happy with this 💟
    Already ordered slap-on subscribtion lenses at an VR Optician so I don't have to wear glasses or contacts. Amazing times we live in!

  • @leniekotze9697
    @leniekotze9697 Рік тому

    upgrade that is downgrade faster response times
    and the massive destruction that followed
    update gran turismo 7 .1.31was and is a mistake a very big one

  • @sswes2476
    @sswes2476 Рік тому

    My TV does 120 frames per second I play cod all the time but for some reason Gran Turismo all the images are really blurry the road lines the cars trees, the guard rails everything’s really blurry and I tried everything to fix it. I think it must need a patch or something.

  • @piotrekf943
    @piotrekf943 Рік тому

    You did analysis and didnt notice there are two new modes ? 120hz rt mode which looks almost same and run 70-90fps.

  • @jaysway8972
    @jaysway8972 Рік тому

    A lot of y’all like visuals more but 120 fps is rare for me to come across let alone in racing games so 1080p at 120 is perfect for me. I felt like this game shoulda had 120 at launch anyways

  • @swecreations
    @swecreations Рік тому

    I think 90fps would've been the perfect compromise

  • @shanechopko5523
    @shanechopko5523 Рік тому +1

    The 120hz update has been amazing, but have been experiencing intermittent black screens after changing. I also have noticed flickering screens which gets resolved when navigating menus.

    • @FormulaDigital
      @FormulaDigital  Рік тому

      I would try with different cables if you have them . It sounds like the cable you are using doesn't quite keep up. Not likely if you are using the included ps5 cable though.

    • @sawdust8691
      @sawdust8691 Рік тому

      If the black screen only flickers and goes black when changing between modes and opening/closing games, that's just the PS5.
      For some reason the PS5 doesn't remain in 120hz or VRR mode when not in active use.
      So when switching between 60hz and 120hz, or VRR and no VRR, you will get a black screen flicker while changing it as the PS5 and display swap modes.
      If this is happening in gameplay, something is wrong. Something probably can't quite keep up, either your cable or display.

    • @mercurymachines4311
      @mercurymachines4311 Рік тому

      Have you tried changing the 4K Video transfer rate in Display settings in the PS5 menu?

    • @shanechopko5523
      @shanechopko5523 Рік тому

      @@FormulaDigital last I checked I was using the included cable, could be wrong though! Thanks for the help.

    • @shanechopko5523
      @shanechopko5523 Рік тому

      @@sawdust8691 thanks for the feedback. That makes sense for when it black screens, it doesn’t flicker but does turn off for 2-5 seconds. Would make sense if it’s changing display modes or refresh rates. I can try to change the cable

  • @ConnorH2111
    @ConnorH2111 Рік тому

    You should of tried 120hz mode in Resolution mode it looks alot better.

  • @Allaloneatron
    @Allaloneatron Рік тому

    Here I am on my phone not seeing a difference between any of the comparison.

  • @Ricardo29j
    @Ricardo29j 11 місяців тому

    6 months later did the input lag improved ?

  • @ahmedmohmed4346
    @ahmedmohmed4346 Рік тому

    I am new here also new to the game & I want to update my monitor to a VRR one but I am sticking with the 60FPS mode because I don't like the quality hit on the120FPS modes So can anyone with VRR monitor confirm & how much is the gain in terms of frame-rate when playing on 60HZ with VRR enabled ?
    thanks

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Рік тому +1

      You don't "gain" frames in VRR mode, you stop any tearing due to possible frame drops, it's a much more fluid gaming experience so VRR is great to use.

  • @valiantthor5238
    @valiantthor5238 Рік тому

    Quality/RT Mode with VRR is a good Option.

  • @eSKAone-
    @eSKAone- Рік тому

    Frames over Pixels 💟

  • @ienaridens7979
    @ienaridens7979 Рік тому

    QQ.. my tv is 2019 samsung capable of 120hz but no vrr with hdmi 2.0 input. On Ps5 set in gneral setting 2160p and 120fps while in GT7 i set frame rate on resolution/ray tracing mode and 120hz option.... what frame rate and resolution am I getting at the end 😉

    • @RedPMD
      @RedPMD Рік тому

      with HDMI 2.0 you are stuck at 1080p 120hz NOT 4K lol

    • @AndreiSZS
      @AndreiSZS Рік тому

      @@RedPMD HDMI 2.0 absolutely can do 120HZ 4K

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Рік тому

      @@AndreiSZS Not it cannot, it can only do 144HZ 1440P, it's restricted to 4K 60HZ

    • @AndreiSZS
      @AndreiSZS Рік тому

      @@dankeplace no it's not. If you enable chroma subsampling, it easily does 4k 120hz. This is how I ran my 4k tv on gtx1070.

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Рік тому

      @@AndreiSZS we are talking PS5 here, stop talking out your back side.

  • @minners71
    @minners71 Рік тому +1

    One thing to add, you don't need a 120hz TV to play in 120fps, not if you have psvr2 you can use the big screen function of psvr2 as it is a 4k 120hz screen. Just make sure you disable 120hz to tv as ps5 can't do both at the same time.

  • @lukemorris9066
    @lukemorris9066 Рік тому +1

    I gotta be honest when the games in resolution mode with 120fps enabled only difference I could tell was the extra fps ... not once did I notice anything pointed out in this video...it looked the same and felt way better 🤷‍♂️

  • @Tj930
    @Tj930 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for making this video. I was wondering what the difference would be. (My old TV isn't up to this task.)

  • @kristoferschirmacher7232
    @kristoferschirmacher7232 Рік тому +1

    If my monitor is is capable of 1440p 120hz, am I able to play gt7 at those specs? Or is will it only be 1080p 120hz? I have a 2.1 cable.

    • @llChatOOOOOll
      @llChatOOOOOll Рік тому

      I’m with a 1440p 165hz monitor and the 120hz on Gt7 works fine 😎👍

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Рік тому

      1440P 120HZ is HDMI 2.0 compatible so your 2.1 cable will work.

  • @ericmihali9091
    @ericmihali9091 Рік тому +3

    I think some people may like the 120 fps mode for the smoother visuals alone.

  • @OFFICIALSDSK
    @OFFICIALSDSK Рік тому

    thats not running in 4k dude ps5 cant do it at 120hz lol its probably upscaled

  • @UnboxRacing
    @UnboxRacing Рік тому

    This is time to consider swapping TVs for 240hz gaming monitors. The difference in lag, smoothness is clear.

    • @TheEPICskwock
      @TheEPICskwock Рік тому +1

      This is a ps5 exclusive game, and the ps5 doesnt support 240hz. It only supports 120hz max.

    • @IJFJJAJI
      @IJFJJAJI Рік тому

      @Spiral it is, playing on a 60hz tv feels horrible compared to a 120hz+ 1ms monitor

  • @bsmracing6592
    @bsmracing6592 Рік тому +2

    as a PC racing gamer, its a surprise to me that GT7 didn't have 120 already, on PC everything is 120 or more.

    • @MisterReen
      @MisterReen Рік тому +8

      Pc and a console are different :)
      Also not everyone’s pc is able to render modern games with good graphics in 120 fps.

    • @AndreiSZS
      @AndreiSZS Рік тому +3

      Yea, everything is 120 fps, when average GPU is 1060. With PS3 graphics I guess.

    • @dankeplace
      @dankeplace Рік тому

      @@MisterReen PC and console are exactly the same, they use the same hardware, what drugs are you on?
      AMD furnishes both Sony and MS, MS even uses a gimped Win10 OS for their Xbox.

  • @friedpuddycatgamer4682
    @friedpuddycatgamer4682 Рік тому

    Nice vid dude. One thing, even though fps shooters are better to a degree with input time. The server hz and ms delay from you to the server hurt the most.
    Obviously in a lan room with guys competing. You're all in the same boat.

  • @KILLACRISIS215
    @KILLACRISIS215 11 місяців тому

    4k 120 crazy