Why 4K Cinema Cameras Use Less Megapixels - 12MP A7siii VS 45MP EOS R5 Low Light Experiment
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2020
- A higher number of pixels is not always a good thing! In this video we explain the advantages to lower megapixel cameras for video and why 4K cinema cameras use less megapixels than most modern photography cameras.
The Canon EOS R5 (and R6) as well as the Sony A7sIII are great cameras. They all have their pros and cons. Let us know your thoughts in the comments!
Cheers,
Cliff & Kajun
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Jump to the test: 8:16
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LINKS:
Canon EOS R5 - amzn.to/3g0UkS7
Sony A7sIII - (coming July 28th)
What we used:
Cameras:
Sony A7iii - amzn.to/3g34uBN
Sony A6300 (buy a 6600 instead, OVERHEATING) - amzn.to/2WXsjTY
Lenses:
Sony 28mm F2 - amzn.to/2WWc0H9
Sony 70mm-200mm f4 - amzn.to/2D9eye8
Sigma 16MM ART f1.4 DC - amzn.to/3f0zzoc (CROP)
Irix 45mm 1.5 Cine Lens - amzn.to/2CCVmpb (it's a beast!) 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Drone:
DJI Mavic 2 Pro - amzn.to/3hF5koz
DJI Crystal Sky 7" Monitor (HDMI out capable for streaming) You probably don't need this.. it is also buggy.
Monitor:
Ikan D7C
Follow Focus:
Nucleus Nano Wireless Follow Focus - amzn.to/2D7L680 🔥🔥🔥
Lighting:
Savage Location Pro with Godox 32" Softbox and grid [key light]
Neewer 660 BiColor Light with LCD display and remote🔥 ($118 version):
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Aputure MC amzn.to/3f0nLT8 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Audio:
Rode NTG series mic
Focusrite Scarlett Solo audio interface - amzn.to/3eZ7fmp 🔥🔥🔥
Rode VideoMicro
Zoom H6 - amzn.to/2OWtkri 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Zoom F1 Field Recorder - amzn.to/2OXCYtr 🔥🔥🔥
Software:
Adobe Premiere Pro CC
Adobe After Effects
Photoshop CC (Thumbnail):
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The most important tools:
Espresso Machine:
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Coffee:
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What camera do you use, and if you could would you get the *Canon EOS R5* , or the soon to be announced *Sony A7sIII* _(coming July 28th)_ ? Also, *why?* 🤘
Great video. I’ve heard that more megapixels for video isn’t always better but never understood why. Thanks for explaining. We have been using a canon 80d with sigma 18-35 for the last 3 years along with iPhones for our videos. The only other lenses we have are kit so I don’t really count those and hardly use them. Been thinking about using the 80d specifically for studio setup and purchasing another camera for anything outside of studio in the next 6 months to a year. Will use 90% for video, occasional pictures. Torn between the R6 and a7s3. What are your thoughts on the r6 vs a7s3? I’m not really worried about switching brands, I love tech and the process of figuring new stuff out.
Thank you! I think you are in a unique position where I wouldn't call it switching brands, as much as I would say you are finding your brand. We started out with canon, and did not have enough invested into it to mind the switch. (mom just got a great camera for mother's day 😂). In my opinion, Sony is better for video between the two. What you might consider doing, is buy an A7iii for about $1200 and either sell it to upgrade or keep it as a great B cam. (just a thought). Canon and Sony are both great for video, but if you had to start from scratch, I give _Sony_ the edge. I don't expect the A7sIII to take great photos. That's where your canon, or a older A7III *might* be better as a backup.
R5 is on pre-order. I want more pixels for photography. And the R5 is the do-everything camera, not specialized to video.
@@StevenHoagland the a7siii is definitely not a photographers camera in my mind. I would say you made a wise choice 👌
The Creator's Cup awesome. Thanks so much for the insight. What’s the best vlogging Lens you would recommend for the a7iii for $500-$800.
Man this is the best explanation out there you really made me understood it clearly now! Thank you!
You're very welcome! Thank you!!🤘
My exact thoughts as well! Thank you!
Extremely clear
I appreciate the amount of work that went into this video. From making the pixels, to flying the drone, your grass to Sony body to set transition. Keep up the good work!
Thank you! We appreciate the detailed feedback🤘
You put amazing content out there, can't wait to watch this video
Thank you! 🙏🏼 Hopefully this is also up to your standards 🤘
Awesome demonstration! Loved it 🙏🏻🔥
Amazing explanation !!!
Thanks a lot !!
2:04 Yeah, I heard years ago that was the reason why night-vision goggles had a green image, it's easier to notice different shades of green
That makes sense! Now I really want to go put on a pair of NV goggles😂🤘
This is by far the best explanation I have ever seen (on UA-cam) about this topic.
Thank you!
Excellent explanation. Thank you!
Fantastic. Thank you for this!
damm this video deserve way more views, great work!!
Thank you! 🤘
Clear and accurate. You explained the signal to noise concept well. Subscribed.
Thank you and welcome aboard!🤘
Love the value you put in your work! Subscribed...way to go
Much appreciated!🤘
great video, definitely an eye opener for me.
Thanks! I think too many people worry about the number of pixels/resolution more than some other very important details.
Great video guys! I would probably say, this is the best video on YT explaining the diff. between sensors & pixels on today’s cameras. I have invested heavily in Sony’s lens and cameras and will absolutely pre-order the A7SIII due to low light capability which is very important for me. I just sub’d and keep them coming guys 👍
Thank you! I don't know that it's the "best" Haha, but we will take it! 😂
We chose Sony a while back too but still use canon here and there for photography. We just love the freedom that the extra low light gives you in video. The lens selection is getting better too, which is exciting!
Awesome video dude. Very professionally put together.
Thank you! 🙏
Great video thankful to get this kind of informations.
Glad it was helpful!👍
WOW! Hands down the best and most interesting explanation I have ever seen! And high production value setup. You should have a ton more subscriber than you do...
Wow, thanks! I really appreciate the feedback! Haha, we are getting there😂
Surprisingly great video for such a small channel!
Thank you! We really appreciate that🤘
Thank you! I just subscribed.
Instant subscribe after that Premiere joke 😂🤣! Great video man!!!
Haha thanks! I would have replied to this comment earlier, but you cannot run premiere and a web browser at the same time😉😂😂
Wow, this is wild. Thanks for this guys, super helpful.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you!👍
Thank you for this video!
Glad it was helpful! 🤘
Great video, really opens up perspective.
Thank you!
Awesome video thank you.
Thank you🤘
great video. loved it
Glad you enjoyed it! 🤘
Really good video!
Thanks!🤘
Subscribed! So informative and awesome presentation. I like the message at the end of the video. Keep it coming 👍
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback. Sometimes I think I talk too much haha😂
Awesome video. Really enjoyed the science breakdown of megapixels.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Wow. Really worth to see. You explained well about megapixels. Thank you. Expecting more videos 😍
Thank you! We are making more videos right now🤘
Okay, this was awesome!!!
It bent my brain in order to wrap my mind around the concept, but it was very well put together and I was able follow along and actually grasp a concept I'd never really understood before!
Thank you!
Haha, thank you! It was a little tricky coming up with a real world analogy, but I think this was pretty close.
Great explanation on this subject! Thank you!
Thank you!🤘
Cannot wait for Sony A7SIII = Superior to release that low light beast
These are exciting times!🤘
great explanation man! appreciate it
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!😎
Really nice advice... thank you
Thank you! Glad it was helpful!
Outstanding Video!!!!!!
Thank you! 🤘
Great tips! Thank you very much!
Glad it helped, and thank you!🙏
Great video!
Thank you!
Hands down the best explanation of why more megapixels is not necessarily better for film makers. Just brilliant. Thank you.
Thank you very much! I'm glad you enjoyed it😎
Wow, thank you so much for sharing this!!
You are so welcome!🤘 Thanks for checking it out!
Very instructive! hands down!!
We appreciate that!
Really good content! Thank you
Glad you liked it! Thank you!🤘
Wow that is some legit breakdown of MP vs video resolution. Respect!!👏👏👏👏👏
Much appreciated! 🤘🤘🤘
Perfect Video bro
nice work man , namaste 🙏✨
Awesome, awesome video and very well explained. Thanks for clarifying the pixel doubt I had in my mind since the Sony A7Siii was announced. Subbed!
Thank you very much, and I am glad it helped!🤘
@@CliffKajun it really did, skills are a great thing but it's when knowledge walks at the same pace that this passion gets more interesting and serious, so thank you very much again!
@@ClaudioDesideriFilms Wise words! I feel like that should be on a motivational poster 🤔😂
Cheers🤘
@@CliffKajun ahaha I might start a youtube channel on "creating motivational slogans for brands". Feel free to steal this idea buddy🧞♂️😂
Take care
The extra green pixel is used for the luminance (brightness)
That makes perfect sense, thanks! I also found this after taking the time to research this part:
_A Bayer array consists of alternating rows of red-green and green-blue filters. Notice how the Bayer array contains twice as many green as red or blue sensors. Each primary color does not receive an equal fraction of the total area because the human eye is more sensitive to green light than both red and blue light. Redundancy with green pixels produces an image which appears less noisy and has finer detail than could be accomplished if each color were treated equally. This also explains why noise in the green channel is much less than for the other two primary colors (see "Understanding Image Noise" for an example)._ - Cambridge in Colour
Each primary color does not receive an equal fraction of the total area because the human eye is more sensitive to green light than both red and blue light. Redundancy with green pixels produces an image which appears less noisy and has finer detail than could be accomplished if each color were treated equally. Because the human retina is naturally more sensitive to green light in daytime vision.
I was reading that same article. Plus, ironically was watching theY channel "extrashot" and his Sony A7iii Colour Settings (to get close to GX9 S.Cinetone)
He does one of the best explanations and animations ive seen on how Bayer sensors work, work a watch if you havent seen it yet.
Im interested because he is likely to produce a similar video on creating a custom picture profile for the Sony a7S3 to get as close to s.Cintetone as possible..
@@CliffKajun ua-cam.com/video/UxzgMkVjKo4/v-deo.html this is what I have heard, that each pixel measures the amount of light hitting each photosite during the amount of time it is exposed, that measurement of light is the amount of luminance. So regardless of what filter matrix you put in front of them (most use bayer with RGGB), each photosite is a measurement of luminance. demosaicing is done to figure out the color of each pixel, but it all starts with every single pixel (for bayer that would mean red, 2xgreen, blue) has a luminance value in binary form streaming RAW to be processed... Any way, this is a great video for not only creating a PP for a73, but also a quick overview of how light is gathered and turned into color, since that matters when you are trying to reproduce another camera's color science. If you are getting the a7S3, extrashot channel will likely be publishing an s.Cinetone picture profile settings , and if you are interested, subcribe.
I see your efforts good work man, really appreciate your work you will be huge on YT if you keep working this way. So never give up :)
Thank you! We are just getting warmed up🤘. I really appreciate the encouragement!
You guys are awesome 👏👏👏😎
Thank you! We appreciate the support🤘🤘
Awesome video
Thank you 🙏🏼 (one week later 😅)
Awesome awesome. First principles analysis. Subscribed. The outtro music volume though.
Thank you!
Yea, we noticed that too... oops😬😅
Thanks for the tip!
Keep it uo guys good work💥
Much appreciated!🤘
Good info.
I've learned so much from this video that kind of feel guilty that I'm not paying for this. Thank you for making this knowledge fun and easy to understand.
No ads in your channel, thanks
Very good teaching 👍 appreciated
Glad it helped! Thank you!
Just starting to get interested in videography / content creation & this video helped a lot , seriously thank you for taking the time to make such a detailed video that even a caveman like me was able to comprehend!
I see a lot ppl talking bout downsampling the photo will have lesser noise in the image. Is that true?
Can Sony a7riii after down sampling the photo, have good low light performance like a7siii?
Fantastic explanation! Who needs school when you have UA-cam. 😜
Really good presentation 👌🏻👌🏻
Thank you 🙏🏼
What you said at the end is really on point. We get hooked on getting the new camera every time, spending 3,4,5 k or more and then have 50$ light and use in-camera sound,..... Great video, thank you!
Thank you, I couldn't agree more... Now just to upgrade that terrible light🤔😂
Really nice video ... even that i already know the science it was great watchting it. Everybody complaing about resolutions should watch it. Thumbs up!
Thank you! Resolution isn't everything
Does binned mode actually help eliminate the noise and have a higher light reading?
In your pixel demos I believe you have used the wrong terminology. Your 2x2 grid as a whole is one pixel, not four. Each quadrant of the bayer arrangement is a photosite.
From my understanding it is a pixel per Bayer filter on a BSI chip. Unlike a quad Bayer filter setup which would be more like what you are speaking of. (Like the mavic air 2). The chip must read them individually as pixels. One commenter mentioned that this would result in about a 30% drop in true pixels vs 4k making 12mp slightly under 4k.
I may be very wrong, but it is interesting either way. Thanks for the info🤘
Downscaling 45MP to 12MP you get almost the same noise but with more detail ... choices. I dont' understand why all influencers compare this two cameras, A7SIII is competitor of Canon R6 (that have 20MP) not R5. For this experiment you could compare Sony A7SIII and Sony A7RIV (61MP). And maybe use some sample photo with same brand sensor... i spent lot of time doing these kind of comparisons...
*downscaling in the right way i meen. In any case with more MP you have more chance in post-processing (we're talking about PRO cameras, not for holidays)
Very good video!! Enjoyed! Due to my investment in the E mount system, and the fact I shoot a lot in low light, naturally lit low light right before sunrise to right after sunrise, I am looking forward to the A7Siii!
Thank you! It really is an investment, and one you never want to have to change. I love a good twilight shoot! We are looking forward to it as well!
I don't know why this channel has
We will get there. Too much time preparing and not enough time filming, until now.😂. I'll have to say I am jealous of the A7Riv, but i completely understand- The A7iii is a tried and true beast🤘. We have so much stuff that we haven't really used properly.. Glad it helped!
Awesome 👏
Thank you! 🤘
Wow blown away. Very understandable. Very informative and easy to follow. Thanks a lot. Been following Froknowsfoto and others alike but never understood this until now 🥳🥰⚡
Thank you and I'm glad it was helpful!
FroKnows is amazing btw🤘
What is my priority is to zoom in while taking Micro videos. To zoom in with the best result, would a 45mp sensor make more sense?
hi You make a great point about not just changing just for the sake of it. and I am a Canon user EOS-R so Ive started changing my lenses to RF which are very nice just cost a lot . so thank you. im going to save up get the lenses that I wanted and see at the time as the only restriction the R has is Shots Per Sec and IBIS over the R5 and R6 . just for photos not filming yet, not even looked into it.
Very wise choice. *Glass first* , new camera later... *Much* later🤘
almost 1K subscribers!!! 💗
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What mount and display are you using for your drone?
It is a dji crystal sky 7" high brightness monitor with a dji hood and random $40 Amazon mount. At $700, I honestly can't recommend the monitor unless you have a very specific need for it, like livestreaming from the drone to a multicam system. (Hdmi out). The monitor is much brighter, but, and this is huge, the software/hardware is very buggy. It can get choppy while flying and can even be risky when buzzing trees, etc.
I'm a diehard Sony and Olympus shooter, and I'm not switching. Each one has a purpose. BTW I just found this video, and I love it. Liked and subscribed.
They are all just tools, and some are better for certain jobs.. We still keep a canon around, but have found we use Sony for most of our video. Thank you very much! 🤘
I swear almost everyday I discover a new camera reviewer.
Yeah, I get sick of us too 😂
I love they way this guy talks, he really speaks about what is real and says the truth
Thank you🙏 We do our best
Well done
Thank you!
first time i saw u channal, very professional. hope u can make more awesome video on youtube
Thank you! Making a new video right now🤘
Thank You for the thoughtful video, love the no hype approach, just the facts...(Sony A7Sii, A7Riii, A7iii)
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback🤘
So, in conclusion, how about a more apples to apples comparison: R6 vs A7S3? Either way, it was an awesome video to watch, very instructive and clear. Definitely subscribing!!
You have a point... Thank you! 🤘
The problem is that unfortunately most people buy based on hype and brand loyalty and companies capitalize on that. I have see too many comments making fun at Sony for the lower megapixel count. People just have to find a way to justify their choices when they really don't have to. Then they end up spreading ignorance. Thanks for this amazing video and all the efforts that was put into it.
Thank you! I agree, and Sony users need to not hate on Canon😂. They both make incredible cameras and most importantly, the competition forces them to keep innovating and refining. 🤘
Great video ! Actually i wanted to buy a light professional camera for my run and gun traveling shoot ,.. so i got confused between the canon r5 and a7s3 ,.. i was thinking about the r5 seriously but watching your video made me think again ,.. i need to see the real reviews and i need to understand what will make me feel happy more while using it ! Thanks bro
Of course, make sure you do your research! This is just one part of the puzzle. Thank you!🙏
how about the BSI-CMOS sensor that camera like the Nikon D850 have?
It is a great sensor for sure. It has around 46MP, and is back illuminated which essentially moves the "wires and memory" to the backside of the sensor allowing more light to flow through. Sony does the same thing with their sensors as well. As far as it's capability in the field, I do not own one, and cannot say for sure.
The Creator's Cup I own the D850 and I get amazing results with it. I was more curious to know the difference of the R5 CMOS vs the D850 BSI-CMOS they both have 45mp full frame sensors but I guess they produce different results?
The visual explanation starting at 7:38 is pretty good!
Thank you!😎
6:07 I actually took my finger and rubbed it across my screen then the message popped up. I was like oh lol
Haha 😅. Gotta constantly keep those lenses and sensors clean.
not all 12MP sensor is equal, if sony A7S iii gets BSI cmos sensor it would be a killer in low light!
Very true. The reason we didn't discuss the quad Bayer sensor (effectively a 48mp with a little processing improvement in low light), is because we are fairly certain it will be a 12mp BSI CMOS sensor. We will know for sure in 3 days!
A very good comparison/example extolling the virtues of video vs photography. New tech wont exactly make you better. It works for people that know exactly what they want. Their specific purpose.
Thank you!🙏 I agree, unless there is a specific need, most of us need to focus more on improving the quality of our craft, than worrying about the latest greatest thing. I feel like camera companies should consider this as well. Refinement can be just as good as advancement (too a point).
Definitely nice video overall. You briefly described an advantage of shooting in 8k and cropping in for 5 seconds out of the entire video. Wish this was emphasized more because I definitely will benefit from the cropping in and more detail. Also, I hear oversampling and downscaling to 4k from 8k may reduce low light noise. I get that the EOS r5 can't shoot 8K for very long, which may be fixed with fans and software upgrades, but emphasizing the power of 8k for maybe 20 seconds would have been nice. I'm not giving a thumbs down because this video deserves some praise and respect
The quality and production level on this video on a small channel blows my mind!! You put more effort than people with a million subscribers!! Much respect! Looking forward to saying “was here before 1000 subs” haha
Thank you!🙏🏼. These videos are a lot of work, but are also a lot of fun to put together! Haha, looking forward to that day as well🤘
@@CliffKajun This video looks very dark.
I second that. Awesome explanation... finally someone bothered to explain it!
Shooting in a brighter space today👍
Thank you!
love from bangladesh..carry on we guys will rock in future..
Love from Columbus! Thank you! 🤘🤘
Si señor, una explicación muy didáctica. Ejemplo de lo que deberían ser todos los UA-camrs de primera
Muchísimas gracias 🙏
This is a very nice and honest video. There are just a few videos saying that you (we) don’t need to upgrade every year. It's a marketing move of course, but I still stick to my camera from 2017 and she's still giving me great results. I have a Canon 5D Mark IV but I'm having issues with the noise at night. We create videos for my Org and is mostly at night. Any recommendations? I'm open to try other brands and cameras just for video. Thanks for the video, now I understand better how all this works.
If you think 8K is too much for full-frame, imagine Blackmagic's 12K on a smaller super35 sensor!
Haha, right. Imagine editing that beast 😂
@@CliffKajun its BRAW so prob easier than R5 4k All-i
This may be true, but I would love to try out that laptop 😂. (seriously though, that camera will be insane)
Will A7S-III have a 12MP BSI sensor? If yes then that camera will be a lowlight beast
We are 99% sure it will be a 12mp BSI. Also with a flip out screen, and no overheating (within an hour) or cutoff length. Here's to hoping!🤘
@@CliffKajun but canon 4k 30p no overheat as well
What about 4kHQ mode?
Yes this is why A7s3 is a video centric camera whereas the R5 is a hybrid. If you’re a photographer and shoot video once in awhile R5 is the way to go. 12mp for stills is useless. If you shoot mostly video the S is better option and maybe an a73 for stills.
I completely agree. 👌
Exactly
not all are correct, if your photos is for social media, it would be perfect because social platforms are compressed to 12mp. The good thing of this sensor aside from BSI it also can capture to the very dark invironment and it has really good dynamic range.
Ian Rosas if you only upload photos for social media then 12mp is enough. However if you’re working photographer and you print photos 12mp is not enough. Cmon man that’s just common sense
@@thecringe_tv Printing photos is really rare at this time. Cmon I think you have to re-read my comments. you missed my point.
The s1h from Panasonic has amazing low light capabilities and it's only 24 mega pixels. I'd like to see how well the A7sIII compares. Does 12 mega pixels make that big of difference in low light?
I personally do not have any experience with the sih, but have heard it does really well. Our a7iii has 24.2mp and does fantastic in low light. IMO, I would stick with what you have if you already like it. I think the 12mp will be slightly better (just for video), and the camera as a whole will too, but not necessarily worth the switch anytime soon.
current a7sii already outperforms the s1h at high ISO (51,200) from what I have seen (when properly exposed)
Sony is good in low light but the color is not good
@@germancreatives88 I used a custom colour profile on my sony, and somone mistook me for shooting on an Arri Alexa, it's all about the lighting, set design, actors (I don't use s-log, I get the colour as close to perfect in camera so I only have to tweak it slightly).
there are videos showing how to easily fix the sony skin tones as well (I can link one if you want)
@@germancreatives88 I think you're right. I watched a video where the colors degraded on the Sony a7iii in low light, but the Panasonic s1h kept good color accuracy in low light. This might have something to do with the dual native iso that the s1h has.
Unfortunately it looks like the Fx9 has dual native iso and the a7siii will not. I guess Sony wants to make sure the a7siii does not compete with the low light capabilities of their high end models like the Fx9.
Thank you for making this video demonstration. It will make it easier for me to communicate to my video clients why 987654321 megapixels are detrimental in a camera just used for 4 k video.
You are welcome! Let me know if that 987654321MP camera goes on sale anytime soon! 😉😂
Currently, according to you whats the best cheapest cinema camera having more than 13 stops dynamic range?
The BMPCC 4k is still a beast and lenses are pretty cheap. That's our camera of choice for cinelifter drones. If you have a higher budget, the Sony FX3 is amazing 🤘
@@CliffKajun BM 4k is unusable in low light.
@@milanjani that's fair, although unusable is maybe a bit extreme. It's hard to judge someone's definition of "cheapest" lol. In this case, the only cine cam (worth buying) with serious low light capability under $5k would be the fx3.
@@CliffKajun actually look of BM 4k is awesome. But the moment sun sets and you have to do eve and night shoots, all you see is grains. So, unless you have speedboosters etc. it's not usable in my viewpoint.
That was a great explanation and some wise words of advice. I'm new to the camera scene but have a lot of experience with guitarists and other musos, and there are gear guys and music guys. The gear guys are always looking for the higher specs, but really you can make music on a cheap instrument - especially if you practice. Maybe its the same with photography? Thanks again for the clip 👍🇦🇺
Thanks 🤘
Haha, it is very much the same in photography. A lot of us get so hung up on gear that we forget to just go create and capture. These things are just tools, we still have a job to do 😅