Sony a7S III - MY CANON DIVORCE - vs EOS R5 | Different Reason!
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2020
- Sony A7S III vs Canon EOS R5 made me divorce Canon for video - but for a different reason than everyone else...
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First we battle the cameras. Others have done the work, we enjoy the fruits:
- Image: Signal/Noise, Dynamic Range, Image and Motion Stability, Gradients, Color Science, Sharpness
- Handling: Just Works, Day & Night, Easy to Edit, Easy to Focus, Frame Rates, Weight, Lens Convenience & Availability
Then we also go into another, different aspect, which I haven't seen analyzed that potentially supersedes all of the above. Watch complete video to find out.
The amazing creators and their videos referenced in this meta study, in order of appearance:
Peter Lindgren, a7S III: • Hands On Review Of SON...
Matti Haapoja, a7S III: • SONY A7S III FINALLY H...
Gerald Undone, a7S III: • The SONY a7S III: A Te...
Potato Jet, a7S III: • Sony A7S III ... Meet ...
cinema5D, EOS R6: • Canon EOS R6 Review Fi...
Gaston Shutters, 70-200 lenses: • Canon RF 70-200 f2.8 v...
shutandotcom, Vintage ad: • Canon A-1 TV Commercia... - Наука та технологія
The R5 is a photo camera that can do video.
The A7siii is a video camera that can do photo period.
R5 is a reliable photo cam that can occasionally do video.
A7 is a reliable video cam that can reliably do photos. Period.
Both are photo cameras!
For Video you take a Canon Cwhatever, or Sony PXWwhatever
@@Tahydrahel but those are more for cinema. Not too practical for example wedding videos
Pretty much, unless you just need 4K 24 video on the R5.. I doesn't overheat so far. Also, I have a "feeling" canons temp shutout is setting very low. the 12MP on the sony is rough..
Just get the A7Siii and a used A7r2 under 1000s and you are good to go for both video and photo world. lol
Another aspect to consider is which company acts on what their customers have been asking for and what the market realistically needs! For me, apart from the killer video (visual) features that Sony provided in the A7sIII, it is the fact that they totally redesigned the body and menu system to a point that not only satisfies their customers previous complaints but now also satisfies this Canon user since 1983. When I saw last week that Associated press were switching to Sony, I was amazed, however when Sony released the A7sIII a few days later, I then totally understood. I cancelled my R5 preorder as soon as I saw Gerald Undone’s confirming video. I shall now build up a Sony system for my lowlight video needs to complement my Panasonic Gh5 system but shall continue using Canon for my stills (until Sony does the same game-changer improvements with their A7IV ). 🙏🏾
Great to hear that story. Then we are in the same boat :-) Yes I considered ordering 2 A7sIII, built then decided to only order 1 for now because I think just like you, there will come an A7IV which will then become the B cam for video and the photo cam.
If I was only a video shooter, and never needed to crop still, etc, I would get the Sony.. But there was a few things on this reviewers list I had some issues with. Sony, from what I am reading, also for 10bit, uses the same codec 265 4:2:2 codec. (let me know if I read this wrong) no video cards for Mac or PC (as of now) support this 10Bit Codec. What I found was 8K RAW played fine at 30FPS on my 8 core 5GHZ PC (LOL) but the 10 bit 4:2:2 265 at 4K, was a pain and slow.
@@MASTERPPA you can shoot XAVC-HS H265 4:2:0 (you can choose 4:2:2 and 4:2:0) which is supported by Nvidia Pascal and RTX cards
I did edit a work shot in the panasonic S1H 4k 60p 4:2:2 h265 and my 16 core pc was barely enough for a smooth playback on a 30p timeline.... also was eating up 9gb of my video card memory
I feel the stock price comparison is misleading. Canon may be suffering in the camera market but that’s also all they are relatively known for (along with printers and some other camera related tech). Sony on the other hand has diversified themselves across a multitude of products in multiple industries including console gaming, audio, televisions, etc. I feel stock prices are just an inaccurate metric for measurement in this context.
You are correct; Stock prices have nothing to do with it. Canon's portfolio is full of products in shrinking segments (cameras, printers, multifunction devices... etc.). Sony, on the other hand, has many products in growing segments (console gaming, consumer electronics, semiconductors ... etc.).
This makes Canon, as a company, unattractive for investors. When you look at the annual revenue, on the other hand, both companies are stuck in terms of growth. Sony is averaging around $75 billion (an average of 7% from the imaging segment). In comparison, Canon is averaging about $40 billion a year (an average of 23% from the imaging segment).
None of this is related to our discussion, since a company like Fuji, which is far smaller than both, is making great camera products.
Mr. Larsson, I understand that you want to switch systems, Just pick whatever camera you like. You don't need to create smart reasons.
Numnut canon sells more cameras then sony period. sony only beats canon with mirrorless at this point get your facts right
You are absolutely right. I considered going further into that, but the video was getting wayyy too long already. Yes, that's that's the whole point: Because Sony is diversified, they are sustainable as the camera market is changing. Capture devices are changing into multi-sensors plus software. I think Sony is well positioned for that. Clearly the market thinks Canon isn't. But the market can be wrong, that's where the opportunities are. Do you think Canon will turn it around?
Exciting times no doubt! Thanks for your valid comment.
D, do you think Canon will turn around? What do you think the future of Canon will look like? Cameras look similar as to 50 years ago, do you think it will continue like that or will there be a radical change to something completely different?
I love coming across these small channels with big production values. This was genuinely a very well executed video, with logical, but also comical points. I see this guy making it to a million sooner rather than later. 🙌🏾
Thank you. Matters a lot after having made videos with like 3 views each for 6 months 😆
Thanks for sharing! I feel you're absolutely on point about the lenses: I'm hoping that Sony take a fresh look at some of their primes in light of the new era of 4K and Live Eye AF. As well as the faster linear motors, they really need to have a range of OSS options. I've got a nice gimbal, but it's not always an available option, especially if I'm travelling light or in confined spaces. I'd definitely be up to pay extra to have OSS on board (as well as/instead of IBIS).
Speaking of video: now that we have full frame sensors with high dynamic range and fantastic low-light performance, do you think the humble camcorder should be revisted?
When I think of the Sony FX-9 and the Sony A7Siii, I can't help but wonder if there's a market for something in the middle (that's got A7SIii features but maybe FX form factor).
Just a thought!
Thanks mate for very valid points and insights. Agree completely! I really hope Sony steps up the OSS game. I'm still not quite sure if it's a product management consideration or if there is a fundamental difference between the E mount and the RF mount. Could it be the diameter of the E mount makes it harder to build? Not sure.
Agree on the Gimbal. I also have a great one. Almost never use it. Just too time consuming for the incremental increase in quality for the casual videos I'm doing - and I think that's the trend. The iPhone can shoot almost perfectly stabilized photos, and people's tolerance to fiddle with a gimbal is pretty low.
I actually do think the camcorder is a great form factor, like the FX9 with a zoom and a mic on top, it's almost like a big camcorder. A smaller version of that would be pretty great for most things.
I want to do both: stills photography AND recording videos! And in both cases I want to get best quality!
Due to the fact, the A7SIII offers only 12 MP it is not a real option for taking pictures!
The second reason for preffering Canon is the fact, I have already purchased many EF lenses.
So, my questions are...
1. Is it such a big difference watching videos in 4k 120 fps made by the Canon EOS R5 or the Sony A7SIII?
2. How good would my EF lenses fit to the Sony A7SIII when using an adapter? What s about aperture and focus? Would it work as perfect as when used by a Canon EOS R5 with adapter?
True. Personally, I'm done with adapters. Even Canon EOS R with the Canon EF to Canon RF adapter, it never worked as well as with the RF native lenses. Often some subtle issues with AF accuracy, hunting, brief locking up or similar. Will never go that route again and will definitely not try it again across brands. But that's just me, I have very low tolerance with stuff that doesn't work as it should. I like perfection :-)
Video work on the R5: Yes, it's a big difference because you might miss the shot. Overheating is very real on the R5. At least for me, I would need 2 bodies to alternate between and that just doesn't fly.
@@ctoLarssonTECH is not the 4K on the R5 that don't overheat still better than the best 4K on the A7S3 in wich the sony will overheat???
@@77appyi exactly, but he won't tell that in his video
You're exactly right, 12Mp is way not enough, it's going backwards in time to the 90's
The 4K of the R5 is ofcourse a whole lot better because it's downsampled from 8K, the Sony is not even real 4K
Wow sir is all i can say.... The most honest, seemingly unbiased analysis of these two cameras and the conditions from which they came that i have seen to this point. You have helped simplify my decision to commit to a camera platform! Ty and as a new subscriber i cant wait to dive into more of your content.
Thank you Sir! Very happy if I could be of use to you. Yes, will be super exciting to see how this develops from here!!!
I just so Gerald Undone latest video. Heat up and Cool down time is the same at 16ºC than at 35ºC or outside . Can explain that? I am asking you as a software expert. Could this heat warning be software induced artificially? To protect their cinema line? Because serious damage could be done? something is going on. Don't you think?
Great video! You've done a great job articulating the value proposition here, and while I'm a hybrid shooter, I'm mostly looking for video. The IBIS was a big selling feature for me, but even that looks like it has problems.
Thanks a lot really appreciate those words
You make great points, thank you for sharing this analysis! My R5 arrives tomorrow and I'm going to put it through its paces. For me, I'm shooting with multiple Canon cameras and having a common lens collection I can share between them is important, as is having similar color science between cameras. Dan Watson did a heat test and the A7S III overheated faster than the R5 in a hot environment. It seems that if you shoot video with external recording, the R5 can last around 75 minutes before overheating in 4KHQ with 8k pixel binning, and the codec problem is solved too. Sony definitely made a great camera with the A7S III but I'm sticking with Canon for now because I'm already so invested into their ecosystem and can work around the limitations.
Yes the external recorder does a lot to relieve the processor and thus heat generation. Also something I mentioned in the previous video, I'm pretty sure that in a studio setup like that, you can use a dummy battery (to avoid heat generation from the battery draining) and stick a big contact heat gel pad on the backside under the screen (flip it out) and dissipate heat a lot more effectively that way. Should give you quite long recording times even in the 4kHQ mode.
The existing lenses and matching color science is definitely important. The colors are quite different and Sony and Canon also measure whitebalance very differently.
Check out Gerald undone’s latest live stream where he simulated the effect of using the HDMI externally on both the R5 and R6. He had both started at the same time and connected to his switcher live. You might find the results interesting and disappointing depending on your needs!🙏🏾
@@ctoLarssonTECH By the time you pay for the Canon R5 and a Atomos Ninja V you're in Canon Video Camera Money. Doesn't make sense! Why compromise on the size of the setup, makes more sense to go with a real video camera, or just get the Sony. Plus you need to pay big bucks for the new RF lenses, which lets get real we all want. Canon just doesn't make financial sense to me at this price.
This was such a smart analysis..glad to have stumbled upon your channel. Really great value you provide. Subbed.
Thanks a lot, happy you liked it!
Great Video. Really enjoyed it from start to finish. Just curious what route you will take to sell your lenses? I looked at the online companies for the quick sell and I would lose so much. It hurts to consider selling my RF lenses. I think I am happy for now with my EOSR and will wait to see if there are any developments, especially with the H265.
Yes it will hurt. If you are not in a rush, of course it's also possible that Canon pulls this back to the drawing table and comes out with a fixed hardware revision (with a heat conduit). I haven't sold them yet, guess I'll just put them on our Swedish buy-and-sell site.
I dont understand why everyone comparing these two cameras
One is hybrid another one prior to video.
R5 should compared to riv
He did compare it video capabilities only. But yes non youtuber has compare it photographic capabilities , as you say with a7riv
It is not so hard to understand though; the time of launch and, as he mentioned in the video, the fact that Canon advertised it as a 8K video camera and all the hype was build on its video capabilities.
This is Canon we are talking about, a sleeping giant, that jus woke up in the mirrorless pro arena with a huge marketing blunder. Like he said, a terrible corporate decision as it is obvious that the R5 is a superior product. The problem is that is not Canon first crippled camera. Was this decision placed to not hurt their cinema line? It is so unlike Canon to have overheating problems. for me It's a David and Goliath story. Little Sony waited and waited and then bam
@@nyambe I read your comment many times and I still don't understand. You are mixing a lot of things here and I wonder if we watched the same video. He showed us the Share price graph. How is such a declining company can afford to be "sleeping"?? Canon was always behind when in comes to video in their hybrid cameras. The R5 is definitely a superior PHOTO camera and this is Canon's first real attempt to cater to the video people (or at least to pretend that they wanted to cater to us) and that is why it overheats. Canon never really put an effort in video and that is why they never overheated before. Again, as the video suggests it, they realized that the average consumer is not gonna buy a big camera for photos and would rather use their smartphone but the average filmmaker will and that is where the future is heading so now they want to wake up but they have to start from the bottom and experience the same problems Sony had when they woke up in the video mirrorless game a couple of years ago with the A6300. How is Sony little? How was Sony waiting? Are you referring to PHOTO again cause to me it seems like Canon waited and now they attempted to throw a shot but they missed. They can keep their PHOTOGRAPHY dominance because according to these numbers and their clear attempt to get in the good favors of Filmmakers, it does not help their company.
@@jpemile There is no comparison, the R5 is a superior camera, no doubt. period. But Canon is a camera&lens and Sony is a tech company that does cameras&lenses. Canon should be wiping floors with Sony's cameras like it used to do. Not the case. It's like saying the new canon smartphone is as good as the flagship sony expedia phone. I feel Canon got played by Sony. Reviewers had the a7siii a week before anyone got the R5. The A7siii launch is at the last minute, just in type to cancel pre-orders son the R5. Even C200 C300 have slashed prices and upped features. That is why the stock is down. I am routing for Canon here, don't get me wrong. The R5 is a step in the right direction. It was just a management blunder vs a brilliant management/marketing team from Sony. Little to do with the real use or sales of the camera. R5/R6 will probably sell 10 times more than Sony
Dude...easily the most comprehensive and compelling analysis of this most recent shoot out between Canon and Sony. The stock comparison really brings it home. Respect.
Wow thanks a lot for those kind words. Happy you liked it!
I'm interested mostly on video features. If you want a good camera for photos take the higher resolution sensor as there is no much improvements left în the photo area. If you want it for video, you have to look at more things: the image quality (color depth, rolling shutter, line skipping, artefacts) the maximum frames per second (does the compression degrade the image? Do you have sound at 120p?), the codec and how easy is it to grade/edit? The limits because of overheating or because of the software built in the camera but there's something you forgot: sound, you photographers always forget sound. sony has 4 channels of audio with an adapter that accepts xlr inputs. And how much you have to rig it to have everything you want from it? A ND filter, maybe? Or maybe an aditional audio recorder? But what about redoundancy recording or media types future proof? I could continue...
Yes good insights. Agree, all photo centric cameras take stunning photos today. The incremental improvement from the 1dx mk2, released in 2016, to the best camera today - for photography - are small. You can't tell the difference from the image alone. The differences in video is larger, because it's a harder technical problem to repeat the photo up to 100+ times a second indefinitely, than to repeat it 10+ times a second in a short burst.
Very good point on the audio connectivity. Not sure if you saw my other videos, but I've struggled enormously with audio to the point I rebuilt the whole studio. Video is easy. Audio is hard.
Alot of content creator, artists, and reviewers needs to learn from u sir. U have the most important point that consumers needs to understand. Thumbs up good job!
Thanks a lot mate, really appreciate those kind words of encouragement. Means a lot actually. Thank you!
Great videos, i am about to cancel my r5 order too. But by the way, where did you get the info if normal 4k 30 is pixel binning or line skipping?
I looked at the low light test videos from some of the reviews and if it would have been pixel binning, noise would have been radically better than the HQ mode, instead it is worse. Hence no pixel binning.
CTO LARSSON - TECH is there any advantage in using line skipping over pixel binning? Lower processing power? I'm curious why Canon made this decision
Not everyone is looking at these cameras just for video, as you said, for photo, the balance swings the other way of course people want the perfect in both aspects, and no such camera is being released like that as of now, while these cameras are released at the same time and share some features, they are somewhat different and not going at each other's throats, even though the whole UA-cam think they do and they can make comparisons like this all day long.
Apart from the ultra-wide wobbling which they might tweak with firmware, I think the Canon IBIS+IS looks a lot better (even alone it is very effective) so I would give them the clear win there.
I don't think Sony can do a 15-35 2.8 with IS with the E-mount. With the RF mount, the rear element gets bigger, but even like that there is a huge amount of vignetting at 15mm f/2.8, so it is right at the limit of what they can design. It also feels great in the hand with a menu system that does not change with every generation, there are just things with Canon cameras that work in a similar manner while it is constantly changing with Sony (like the colours, they will continue to change), and they never really settle. That matters for some people.
Canon's product strategy is a bit different regarding video, but they will do a more serious video cameras with RF-mount at some point, so I wouldn't worry about the RF system, it has a solid future, they know exactly what they are doing.
With huge companies like this with many divisions, it is difficult to determine how their camera division fares from the share price, Sony for instance has a big lead with manufacturing smartphone sensors, which Canon does not do.
Thanks for a great and very valid comment. I think the Canon IBIS+IS is stellar for shots where the whole frame moves together (see my 96 ways to stabilize video) while I think the corner wobble on PM's first vlogs on the R5 gave those scenes the maybe worst look I've seen coming out of his youtube channel for years actually. I agree with you, I think they will change this in firmware. Interesting insight with the E-mount. You mean the problem is the size (diameter) of the E mount? For many vignetting isn't such a big problem because you can opt to correct for it in lens correction.
Yes like I mentioned in the sensor analysis video, the step from 14 bit 20 fps 45 MP raw "photos" in the R5 and 24 fps 14 bit 8k raw video is just a 20% speed bump - which is nothing, so clearly Canon must already have a cinema camera near ready which can do that.
Agree, the reason the market values Sony differently is that they are diversified differently. I decided to not go into that on the video, but you are absolutely right. I also think that will position Sony better for the next phase of capture devices which will have more many sensors instead of just one.
Very good points, Larsson, as always - but I'd like to shake the party a little bit.
You don't have to buy any new camera, nor any youtube creator out there, in fact. All today's purchases will be obsolete next year. Next year there will be another camera, and the following year another. Your EOS R or my Olympus EM-1mk2 are just fine for what we do - they are also way out of reach of beginner youtubers financially - and there's really no need for anything more than that to make pro quality content.
You could buy an Arri Alexa, sure, but I am not watching your content for the camera, but for the story. I would still watch you even if you filmed on your iPhone :)
So I think that there could be an additional line in your table called "Psychological Comfort of the Creator" - because those decisions to switch systems and to buy new cameras are mainly that - they provide psychological comfort for insecure creators that think that "Now that I have the R5/A7s3/other" my quality is OK and I am not letting down my public.
But I am sure nobody complained to you that you publish in 1080 or that your 4k has a 1.7x crop on the EOS R right now :))
That's why I am sticking with my EM1mk2, even though it's not full frame (which is actually a good thing IBIS-wise) and there's already an mk3.
You are so right mate. That's why I started the video by saying that I do this only because it's fun and I like it. I originally had that section a little longer saying that you can produce a feature film with any camera today, then I cut it down a bit because the video got too long. Agree with you 100%!
Really underrated channel. Like you I have recently learned to appreciate simplicity. I'm getting the A7siii and will use sub $700 Canon RP till the A7IV comes out for stills.
Thank you for your kind words. Really appreciated. Yes that's a superb plan. I'm planning to do the same. Pre-ordered the a7S III for video and will keep my (now pretty old) EOS R until the A7IV or similar arrives, which then becomes the new video B cam and photo cam on the same lens system.
This video was unbelievable. You got a subscriber! Thanks for sharing stuff like this!
Hi, now r5 is here and what z your thoughts about a7r4? I’m debating b/w a7r4 vs r5. The only thing I don’t like about a7r4 is the lack of touch screen, articulated screen and lack of multiple raw formats, which are all in r5 with I believe almost close to Sony in eye tracking too. But glasses for r5 ridiculously prized. Being a7s3 announced with all these features, I believe it is best in investing in a7r4 for future proof. What is your thoughts b/w these cameras? I don’t care about video features at all? I was a nikon shooter, and I tried Z camera, didn't like much. So I'm planning to jump into sony or canon; I don't have glasses for either of these brands. Will there any chance for sony a7r4 t get these updated features of touch screen, updated menu and multi raw formats by a firmware update? Any thoughts on these decision making would be really helpful and really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
I think both the R5 and the a7r4 are stellar photography cameras. Both the RF and EF lens systems are superb for photography. Still, personally I'm going to get neither for photography but wait until later this year.
I'm betting we will get one more Sony camera better suited for photography, maybe a7 IV?, with some other goodies from the a7SIII like touch screen, better EVF, updated menus etc. At that point I'll evaluate and commit for photography. Also maybe then Canon has fixed some of the worst issues with the R5, so that will be an interesting comparison too.
For me only the comparison between the SH1 and the 7SIII would make sense. The R5 is for me to 80% a photo camera with video functionalities. For wedding photographers it is also only a second camera to the RIII/RIV and here the question arises, do I really need the SIII for my job?
Agree. Yes the R5 is definitely a photo camera. Many people like me placed pre-orders for the R5 thinking it was a the promised "pro video spec version" of the EOS R, released about 2 years ago. Actually I just learned today that some Canon employees thought so too. Turns out it wasn't. It's a superb photo camera that was marketed wrong.
The R5 should have been a successor to the 5d Mark iv...it was a mistake to sell it as a video camera. As a wildlife photographer I look at it as a better version of the D850 or competition for the Sony a7r III. The 8k is just a cherry on top - it's not meant to be the USP. Not sure why Canon let this narrative take hold when they obviously knew about the overheating aspect during testing. They could have made it a great action shooter with their excellent AF (animal and eye) but this overheating problem is a real deal breaker for me.
People who buy these costly cameras are not average consumers. They know exactly what they want. Both these cameras cater to different type of people. Both will have their own market.
Agree, it's a superb camera for photography-only. For even casual video work, it just won't fly - unless we're fine with EOS R quality video, which can now be bought used for 1/5 of the price.
@@DavCro The deal breaker for me is the lag the R5 has when shooting burst frames at max FPS in mechanical shutter mode. This negates the brilliance of the AF tracking for me because every shot you take there is a lag between when the OTF is refreshed. I had hoped the R5 would be lagfree like the Sony A9 has been. But alas we might just need to wait for the R1 or R1x to get those features.
The 15-35 2.8 is great on specs and sharpness etc but it seems the big compromise that had to be made for the extended range is vignetting at all focal lengths. It's horrendous and especially when Canon is a little behind in dynamic range still (although improving) it means the noise in edges and corners is always going to be much greater.
Yes maybe you saw the "96 ways to stabilize footage". In there I did a little bit of lens test actually though I didn't put all of it in the video. The RF was actually pretty sharp in the corners, certainly much better than the Canon EF 16-35. Vignetting true though it never bothered me in actual use.
A very structured presentation. Loved it! Thank you.
Thanks for the kind words mate!
The intro is golden! 😂
All my friends are now writing "IT'S NOT JUST STUFF!" in my chats, I think I've made a meme haha
knew right away we got a swedish man here ;D Gread video, Heja Sverige!
Professor Larsson, thanks for this straight-forward, non-bs comparison of the two cameras. I am slightly inclined towards Canon for their glass as well, however if A7sIII can produce amazing low light videos (referring to Phillip Bloom's video) then the glass doesn't really matter. I think I'll wait and see if there's any improvement/s after the rumoured firmware upgrade for the R5, then perhaps it'd be a good idea to revisit this comparison (preferably with a hands-on review). Looking forward to more amazing content from you!!
Yes Canon has really made a homerun with their glass. Agree, I think Canon will attempt something after this launch fiasco. Surely they can at least improve the situation in firmware, and who knows maybe they will even try to tweak the hardware design in a quick iteration. Surely adding a bit better heat conductivity can't be that difficult?
@@ctoLarssonTECH Yes both the heat dissipation and recovery time have to be improved. In terms of low light, Canon seems quite close to A7siii, however how much of a difference can two extra stops of dynamic range make to the footage? Do kindly share your thoughts on this in your next video. Thanks
Sony share price did not go up because of mirrorless cameras, it went up because of its sensor business.
Never said it did
GREAT stuff again LARSSON. Thank you!. Side-note; you can upgrade your coffee-maker ;-) Rocket is the real shit there. (I am a coffee-nerd)
Thanks for the unique perspective that the typical Sony & Canon UA-cam fan boys/ girls do not cover. I suggest you friend them to broaden the club to share information. Very insightful.
Thank you for that great advice. Yes I have honestly no idea how to get any video views 😆
Not only is this the best comparison of the Canon R5 and Sony A7 SIII I have seen (and I have seen many!), it is the best photographic video on ANY SUBJECT that I have seen for a long, long time. Absolutely outstanding!
Oh wow, thanks mate for saying that. Means a lot - especially after making videos that no one watched for 6 months lol 😆
Will try to continue to live up to your expectations
Love the intro! nicely done.You are right, the R5 is a great photo camera, and a video camera second.
Agree completely mate. If they had marketed the R5 as a photography camera that can also shoot occasional short bursts of video, and instead built the R6 as video centric camera, they would have slam dunked this launch.
As an editor, I appreciated your quick lens blur at 10:15. Got a smile. :)
Happy you saw it!!!! Hahaha. I swear with my hand on the bible that I didn't add that in post. The precise second I'm saying "autofocus is perfect", the autofocus goes off 😂 - not once before, not once after and I probably recorded for an hour, with re-takes and out-takes 😂😂😂 I saw it when editing and left it in rather than cover it with a B-roll, hoping that someone would see it. You did!
CTO LARSSON - TECH Ha! I assumed it was added in post as a joke! Funny coincidence.
i really like when you surprise with simple logic and what you know best! I am sure your channel will grow fast. CONGRATULATIONS!
Really thank you for those words of encouragement, means a lot!
Man, this was a great breakdown; I really appreciate a look at the charts!
10:10 autofocus loses you at this very instance. Was it on purpose?!
I waited for someone to notice and I swear to God I did not make that on purpose. The exact moment I'm saying Autofocus is great, it loses the autofocus. Not once before or after 😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣 That’s the cripple hammer attacking.
I remember when Canon 80D came out, I borrowed it to finally try this amazing hyped dual-pixel AF in video. So I start recording, do a presentation I had prepared, and only when I reviewed the footage on a computer, I saw that the camera couldn't keep my face in focus at all. The reason - I was wearing sunglasses, and the kit lens was probably quite dim for the AF to work properly in a badly lit room ;)
But that was a heavy disappointment for the hyped feature ;)
@@ctoLarssonTECH I think your hands may have just gotten into the AF area, but then it quickly recovered back to face. Great analysis on the companies. Something I still can't get my head wrapped around is how fast Sony Semiconductors recovered after such a major earthquake with such delicate machines. At some point they should do a documentary on that event and how they recovered so quickly. That always impressed me about their resilience during that.
Any way great video as always (between you and me ... did Peter's recent video on how to film a conversation with yourself, inspire the beginning any? I know the technique isn't new, just curious if it was the inspiration. I too am going to be adding some of that, though to be honest, I will keep it to just 2, I don't think I could pull off 3 like you did, very well done btw). Have a great day!
considering the amount of people have EF lenses, I think a video testing sigma mc-11 adapter to check AF would be a instant success
The content in its own r too dope. Subscribed!
Thanks a lot mate. Happy to hear that!
Great video, and if I was a video guy (not a cinema guy) defiitely I will look at this sony. Just a doubt, the figures on your graphs are related to Sony and Canon cameras , or the all group, like tv and playstations... and so on.?
Thanks mate. It's the entire companies. I had more info on that section but I felt the video got wayyyy too long already so I cut it 😆. Canon is like 50% office equipment, 25% the cameras we discuss here, 12% medical and rest other. Sony is a very diversified company.
That's the point: Sony will afford to continue doing this, while I see a huge question mark on whether Canon can. (And I suppose office printers aren't exactly a growth area either).
The brand value of Canon is much more than 25% in the camera division, since no one really cares what brand of office scanner they have or what the brand of the medical device is.
@@ctoLarssonTECH Thanks for the reply. That´s a good point, aside of both brands have diversified business, Sony is seen not only by the camera division, well at least to me, I see sony as a TV company and the PS4 of my son, and Canon is identified as a photography brand with related products as the fine art printers. For investors it may be a bad thing, but to me is a good thing, like when Leica split the survey division from the rest. Well, but that´s my opinion and a bit conservative, but honestly i prefer a company like Nikon, that only focus on photography (aside of belonging to the Mitsubishi corporation), than a electronics company that decide to make photo cameras.
Regarding the point about Canon continue doing this...? This, you mean photography? Really...? You think is that bad? Sony is doing much better than the others on the full frame market, but I believe is the sensor division is giving them the funds for research. I believe that Sony will keep growing and increase the numbers of users, but you must agree that is more known and praised in this youtube community than in "real life" of professional photographers. the vast majority of youtubers that make the reviews are not photographers, and the hardcore photographers are not youtubers. For those, brands like Canon or Nikon, still have the edge on reliability, probably the main feature they care about, and of course the technical support from the brand, like the CPS, far ahead from the rest.
This is just an example of the point I want to make: petapixel.com/2020/04/17/the-cameras-that-shot-the-winning-photos-of-world-press-photo-2020/
I´m not saying that will be forever if the brands like Canon and Nikon can´t give what the photographers needs, but I think with this R5, (and also with the 1DxIII) definitely is going in the right direction.
On the other end when Sony started the a7 series, they did not have an alignment and a concrete vision of what they wanted, as their CEO stated in 2013 that the characteristic that best defined their system was its size and portability in relation to DSLRs. Today we know that it is not true, look at the huge lenses, and they already trying to increase the size of the bodies, as happened with the a7rIV and the recent a7SIII. But there is still another problem to solve, which is the size of the lens mount, admittedly an error that limits several aspects in lens design and IBIS, which I don't understand how they will solve. Another point that for professionals has never been seen as positive, is the continuous launch of cameras. Launching 4 models of the same series in 6 years, it does not value the product nor does it give a sign of reliability and confidence, as this is normally related with consumer products and not professional products, which if added to the problems of build quality and sealing, it did not help to create the image of a premium product, despite paying a premium price.
@@ctoLarssonTECH Sorry to come back, just to add another detail about the RF mount and is future, check the mount Red choose to their new cine camera, the Komodo 6K. Even for me was a surprise, with so many sony native and third party lenses available, they opted for the RF. Well, they should know much better than me why, and that means something. By the way, to go all in into video world, I will pick the Komodo for 6K, without blinking. Cheers.
why sony a7s3 video motion stability is bad? 4k120p can make stability
The best video ever. I loved the overlay of market shares at the end of the video. Thank you for doing these logical well thought out videos.
Thanks happy you liked it. If you liked the investment part I have two other UA-cam channels which are tech invest related.
As a stock investor and filmmaker I really appreciated how you switched to the economic aspect. I’m actually making a video similar about how canon has misread the camera market for over a decade after the launch of the 5dii.
Canon still make some of the best glass. Their lens lineup is by far more extensive then either Sony or Nikon. So the only place they have regressed is in sensor and mirrorless and even there in terms of the tech I think they've made up ground. Canon's demise has been widely reported but the numbers don't suggest it is true. Canon still a leader in imaging. Sony is just a much broader consumer electronics player and have stepped up their game in the last 10 years.
Interesting. Let me know when you've posted it, I'd love to see it. Yes a lot of people here are pointing out the Canon is still new to mirrorless compared to Sony with 10 (?) years experience and that Canon will figure it out in a few years, but looking at this section, do they have another 2-5 years? Not so sure about that...
great unbiased review also very high quality. subbed!
Thanks a lot mate for that!
Good video, although I'd argue that:
1) 'Frame Rates' is a tie (Canon already leaked 240fps mode)
2) 'Easy to Edit' will also be a tie with a simple firmware/software update
3) 'Motion Stability' will soon be in Canon's favor now that they're implementing the ability to disable it, and its stronger/better for telephoto
4) The missing 'Photo Mode' would have Canon winning that category by a landslide
In the end, the two cameras are both amazing, although based on your personal needs, the Sony is still the better choice for you. That being said, I think you're seriously downplaying how amazing the R5 is. I personally have evaluated both, and am opting for the R5, as my needs differ from yours.
I'm adding a few lines because our friend Larsson is loosing his common sense listening Gerald and Max (2 Sony fanboys, probably paid), just k :)
- s/n: it is NOT 2x2 in the A7S, it is just one bigger pixel cell. You will have less noise with more megapixels on the R5, it is standard thing with digital camera.
- dynamic range: clog as more contrast by default than slog3 it makes no sense to compare the DR based on that, DR should be compared once colored graded and matched on the same scene or with a similar picture profile! Once you add contrast to slog3 you just get the same dynamic range. I think I saw a good example of that in one of the comparisons, maybe Dan Watson. If Canon activates clog2 or 3 on the R5 you will get a more flat profile with more DR if you like that style, but that's the opposite of the "canon colors" that people like.
- The IBIS of the R5 is GH5 level what is your problem people?!?! The wobble on the corners is due to the lens distortion on wide angle combined with the movement of the sensor, why nobody knows that? It is like that on my GH5 too. There is no IS in the G-Master lenses (except 70-200), Sony is far behind on this one.
- The codecs is the most ridiculous point so far. No reviewers with the A7S3 has used a CF Xpress to record with the 600mbps new codec, they all used SDs and the 100-200Mbps h264 codecs (try to color-grade that crap and let me know) and Macbooks (laptops, seriously?) to edit: stop it Mac are slow as hell, I have 2 I know what i'm saying. My editing PC AMD 3960X + 2080Ti + Nvme has no problem to edit Gordon Laing files from the R5. You guys are not going anywhere with a Mac for editing high res codecs if you don't use ProRes. The standardization of h265 will get you doomed with Apple - Why do you think they are stopping with Intel?
- Like everyone that really owns both a Canon Eos R/1Dx and Sony Alphas, I will never trust Sony's AF for video IT IS HUNTING (GH5 style but better though) in continuous. It is better than Canon only for stills in my own experience (A7iii). If some of you are switching to Sony, you are going to cry...
The tracking says I will get my R5 Tuesday... I'll confirm all that then.
Yes this is all based on current capabilities. Should capabilities change, score changes too :-)
1) True if they add it, I will update
2) True if they add it, I will update
3) True if they add it, I will update. Now the update actually went in the wrong direction. Before you could disable/enable the lens IS separately, now they are tied together with the latest lens & camera firmware update I saw. Or have you seen they confirmed changing this?
4) What does it mean, photo mode? In the video I said "Because where the R5 beats the current Sony offering out of the park, is in professional photography, like large print size. Then most of this chart doesn't matter. What matters then is this row."
Cheers mate, thank for the comment!
Haha I' lost my sense many years ago 😆
- S/N: You have less noise with one big pixel than with many small. See previous video for calculation.
- DR: Yes the picture profile definitely matters here. Dynamic range measurement is most useful when using a Signal-to-noise cut-off, meaning it's "usable dynamic range".
- IBIS: See my video on 96 ways to stabilize. I had actually prepared a section in this video too about difference between Lens IS and IBIS but it was too long already. Absolutely right, you can't fix the type of distortion you get on wide angle when moving the lens, by moving the sensor in the opposite direction or something. That's why it "wobbles" when trying to do that.
- Very true on the codecs. The R5 has eg higher bitrate on 120 fps. This hasn't been measured well yet.
- Did you notice that at the precise moment I said "Autofocus is great" in the video, autofocus went off track. I swear I didn't do that on purpose lol
Looking forward to hearing your findings when you get your machine!
I think you are mistaken with the lenses. Until you start trying out the Sony lenses, you really cant say. For instance, used every uwa from canon sony, and then tried the 17-28...... to me, it was shocking how much I liked it and for a few reason you stated "Is With You". having used the 11-24, 12-24, and wider, I thought my world would end with such a narrow range, but instead, I forced myself to try it, and absolutely love it. It's half the weight of the 15-35..... add on the 28-200, which is optically fantastic, and you have an entire kit of lenses that can fit into a Peak Design 3L, crazy small bag. Tamron 70-180 can replace the Canon 70-200 RF, weighs less, costs less, but relys on IBIS unfortunately, so at the mercy of better sony bodies. micro small 2.8 lenses are also a fun thing that does not exist with canon, and never existed before on any FF DSLR platform. Samyang 18, 24, 35, 45 "Is With you" factor up the wazoo. Very inexpensive, so you can try without much pain. I decided to stick with the zooms after trying them all because they were small enough. Never really had a problem with low light..... once you start experiencing the sony selection of lenses, it's a bit different than theory :)
Thanks for one of the best comments here. I really paused, to think, after reading it. I think you might be right. I'm trying to translate the Canon RF lens lineup into Sony and finding the selection inferior. Instead I should maybe reset and think completely different. Like you say, maybe it's the 17-28 and the 28-200 that should be my new go-to lenses instead of the current 15-35 plus wide open tele primes. Thank you for an eye opening post. I will really give it a thought.
I would have given the lens selection win to Sony, because there are a large number of high quality third party lenses available for the Sony (some that have IS) for a fraction of the cost of the equivalent Sony or the new Canon RF versions
Absolutely very true. That's why I tried to emphasize "Not because the Sony lenses are bad, but because there exists no Sony lens 15-35 mm f/2.8 Image Stabilized, my favorite lens, by far. ... and the compact RF 70-200 mm". But you are right.
fortunately I am only interested in Canon's EOS M lineup proposals this year ;) I don't have to get frustrated (yet)
Haha fantastic comment. GOOD! Happy for you, yes that one is great :-)
10 Bit 4:2:2: or 12 bit 4:4:4: color space?
Nice video, but its like comparing apples and pears between s3 and r5. When they have a photo camera with the latest menu and flippy screen then things can be comparable. But until then its 2 x sony cams at £4000 each to one R5 at £4000 to get same functionality. Let see how the 2 big players fight it out in the next 12 months. Not sure sony has it in the bag just yet. 🙂🙂🙂
You are right. I had an R5 pre-order in since spring. Up until a few weeks ago, I thought the R5 would be the promised pro video upgrade of the EOS R, released in 2018, now dated. In fact, today I learned that some Canon employees thought so too - all the way through the launch two weeks ago. Clearly it isn't. It's a photo camera. But then where is the video camera replacing the EOS R for mirrorless video work? Is that the R6? Hardly, released with IPB, no 4k/120 and still overheating. Means they don't have it. The only work-around right now would be to buy 2x or even 3x R5's to alternate with, or stick with the EOS R.
Still you are right. The a7S III isn't a pro photo camera. So the comparison right now is really 2x R5 vs. 1x a7S III + 1x A7R IV. That's two bad options if you need both photo and video.
So I agree with you. Canon will probably come back with a redesigned body, adding a heat sink etc, maybe for both the R5 and the R6. Sony will probably come out with an A7 IV. Then it will be an interesting comparison again! :-)
Easily my fav video on this topic, i hope they take your free advice
Thanks a lot for those kind words of encouragement! I hope so too :-)
I want a great stills camera that can shoot descent video. So for the moment I will go for canon R5 or R6. A7Siii may be slightly better for videographers who don't click pictures professionally. May be A7iv will be a good hybrid when it come out. Till then it will be Canon
For me, the 12MP of the Sony A7SIII is enough for Stills. So i can take great Photos in dark conditions, like Weddingparties, i dont have big files, so i can edit quickly and have enough dynamic range to play with. There was once a Nikon D700 and a lot of professionals were using this 12MP Camera. And when i see the pictures today, i dont think they arent sharp enough - even on my 4K Monitor. I would not buy the newest thing from canon - instead buy an 1500dollar Sony A7III and buy good glass with the rest of ure money.
@@TheFalkingFive For 12MP I will probably use my pixel 4 camera.
@@10anoop if u dont need a big full frame sensor, and dont need to change lenses, this is probably a good idea. most ppl think megapixels are important for good image quality - this is just marketing...
@@TheFalkingFive I need a full frame sensor with minimum of 20megapixels. 12MP photos loose details when we crop in
No bro, after a session of stills, the R5 will overheat if you want to shoot video. Your best bet would be the A7R IV.
Who would've guessed that dedicated video camera is better at video?
If you have a table full of Canon lenses, some people - like me - might have wished that the R5 with "8k" and "4k/120" as key selling points, would have been at least similar in video capabilities. It wasn't.
@@ctoLarssonTECH yet it's similar and in some cases even better.
Good analysis and I totally agree that Canon's R5 doesn't stack up to the Sony A7S3 as a video camera and as you said the R5 is a photographer's camera with it 45 MP sensor with better lenses and sharpness so wouldn't a better comparison have been the R6 with its 20 mp sensor and ISO speed being more a video camera?
Yes I think so too. Thought to make another video on the R6. Right now it fails on two main points. Note it was actually the R6, not the R5, that cinema5d used where I mentioned him. Also IPB only makes for a lousy workflow. And finally no 120 fps for B rolls. If I could advice Canon at this point, it would be to reposition the R5 for photo and completely redesign the R6 firmware to try to mitigate those issues: Add All-I, 120 fps and fix overheating.
@@ctoLarssonTECH yes hopefully Canon can do fast firmware fixing on the R6 to have a chance at competing against its Sony rivals. Love your channel. 👍
True, R6 has huge potential for a beast video camera, they just need to fix those 3 things: overheating, all-i and maybe also 4k120 would be perfect. Also great price point
I started with my first camera back in early 80s it was a Minolta, I then dreamed of the Nikon F3 and shot Nikon for a few years until I borrowed a friends Canon with AutoFocus in 92, I stuck with Canon until I borrowed a friends newly released Sony A7iii... I sold all my Canon body and lens and made the move to all Sony... In the end these are just tools... It doesn't hurt that the Alpha bodies remind me of my favorite Camera of all... The Nikon F3 :)
Great story, loved hearing that. My best photos - and the only ones that ever won some prizes - I took on the 10 MP Nikon D80 with the 18-200/3.5-5.6 VR lens. Somehow I feel I lost the plot on photography equipment since then. That gear was great and I took great photos with it and I had one piece of gear in a small shoulder bag. Maybe have to start a journey back to simplicity also in that.
The R5 is a photo camera that can do some light video.
The A7siii is a video camera that can do some light photo more like a phone (no landscape with only 12mp)
I think sony's biggest marketshare comes from sensor technology. They make sensors for pretty much two thirds of the smartphones in the world. They also make sensors for Nikon, Fuji etc.
EXACTLY!!! Why did Canon go out of their way to focus marketing on 8K Video when they could have marketed all the great photo features and parameters? Who really cares right now about 8K video and if it overheats and turns off anyway then essentially it doesn't work. If their intent was to make a great video camera then nail the 4K without overheating or line skipping and mention that it is capable of 8K in bursts. The R5 seems like it has so much potential to be a great photo camera (pending more review and real use) but trying to be a better video camera than ones intended for video just doesn't fly. In Physics and engineering nothing is free. One thing balances another. Canon simply is trying to make this one size fits all camera and Sony brought the beat down stick out to let them know that won't work. Canon has such a fantastic lens lineup though.
Exactly, so true insights. Imagine they had come out with the R5 as the great photo camera it is, which also can shoot short bursts of 8k raw. Then the R6 as the video centric camera with a 1-to-1 4k sensor readout. Instead they marketed the R5 as the video beast and dumbed down the R6 to IPB-only, no 4k/120, still overheating limitations. Means the promised pro replacement for the EOS R, released in 2018, didn't come. As you say, they have these fantastic lenses... Blows my mind.
Canon definitely got some amazing lenses 💪 like 28-70f2 , video well done, hope it will help many of us understand these complicated things better
Thanks a lot mate, happy to hear you liked it. I still can't figure out why Sony can't build the same lenses with the E mount. Could it be the diameter of the mount?
@@ctoLarssonTECH they are probably focusing on covering the most vital ranges & apertures while staying in compact territory
Going through the same thing, but my 50mm 1.0 is pulling at my heart strings.
Yes, man. That lens was designed soon 20 years ago right? What an amazing piece of glass. And the newer lenses too, I'm still confused why Sony can't replicate the RF lenses on the EF mount. Is it the diameter of the mount? Would love to understand this.
In my imaginary world every camera got RF mount and I got R5 for photo and A7S3 for video with bunch of RF lenses.
Yes that would be my dream world too :-) Still not sure why Sony can't repeat the RF lens design on the E(F) mount. Is it the diameter of the mount? Not sure
@@ctoLarssonTECH I do not think it's diameter of the mount (only). Canon got amazing EF glass too. Looks like Canon is just the best lens manufacturer.
I remember back in the days shooters were posting articles about mirrorless being dumb and the Sony A7 being a fatal mistake for Sony
SIII selling point is low light, watched every high ISO comparison video with R5 and still find R5 image cleaner.
I was angry at Canon for the overheating but I think I overreacted as they are already improving the overheating algorithm and every problem they have does not apply to me.
I mostly shoot 10-20s clips, rarely go over 1m, I don't do Vlogs, weddings and 99% of the time they are 4K 24p (but I really want 120p and bird eye AF) so I don't see a point in switching all my gear to Sony, 12MP is too low as I plan to use it for large prints and crops when I shoot wildlife.
+ I had a really sad experience with Sony Canada customer service ...
Great video, but the lens part is incorrect. Sony has much much bigger and better value and lighter lens selection, including f1.2 native AF option, has AF Cine lenses deticated to E-mount, and many third-party Cine lenses also.
Do you have a link or product name to those native f1.2 50 or 85 mm AF lenses on Sony? Or the light 70-200 F2.8 similar to the Canon's RF? Thanks
@@ctoLarssonTECH First of all the RF 70-200 is light because it hasn't an internal zooming design, what is big drawback in many ways, especially in video. And the native Tamron 70-180 f2.8 is a great alternative what is even lighter (and much cheaper) than Canon. Sony doesn't have 85 or 50 f1.2 AF option yet, but has 35mm f1.2 AF native lens, we hope the others will come.
Wow, had to comment to say what a refreshingly interesting video [perspective]. Ultimately though, I think it's like others have said... R5 = Stills camera that shoots some video, A7S III = Video camera that can shoot stills. Although they were designed as such; as you pointed out, perhaps Canon dropped the ball on marketing. I do wonder how much of this Canon overheating is just something going viral (re: Narrative Economics, Nobel Prize (close to home?) winner Robert Shiller), and not as bad as perceived? Case in point, videos showing up that the A7S III overheated before that R5 outdoors. It's still early (too early?) days and not enough cameras "out in the wild" to be *completely* conclusive? 🤷🏻♂️
I really like the stock market/equity reference. But the dips generally speaking were all short term (5 years if I recall as it came up on the video briefly). Is it a completely fair, encompassing representation of long term of prospects? After all, as Benjamin Graham said "In the short run, the market is a voting machine but in the long run, it is a weighing machine." Look at Tesla's stock price for example, no where near company earnings. In the stratosphere! While it doesn't mean Tesla isn't a great company, but it's stock price is *absurdly* overpriced. Speculation may not be reality, as seen time and time again...
Just my very humble opinion!
Great insights Heiko. Agree, the R5 = stills camera. But then where is the Canon video camera? The EOS R was released in 2018 and it's dated. The R6? Hardly - released with IPB, no 4k/120 and still overheating in video mode.
The R5 overheating is real. I personally think they need to pull it back and do a hardware iteration to improve the heat conductivity. Maybe they can fix that pretty fast. I hope so for the future of Canon.
You are right about the comparison of the companies. There is much more to be said there, but the video was getting too long :-) The thing is that Sony is well diversified at this point and shareholders are happy. That means they can afford to keep innovating in peace and keep pushing out fun stuff to camera lovers even though the market is potentially shrinking.
Canon on the other hand is 50% office stuff, like office printers (I guess hardly a promising growth market either), 25% this camera market, 12% medical, and the rest "other". With that business mix and that value destruction for their shareholders, will they be given another 2-5 years to get their act together on mirrorless cameras? Don't know.
I have a solution for Canon. It seems to me that everyone just wants a "smaller" cinema cam. Why don't they completely rebrand their C100 to be small with some clever attachments? They can also develop a sensor that is smaller in megapixels.
Thanks for the video! Stock charts comparison is somewhat misleading, I think. You compare companies, which have many various divisions. Imaging products is only a fraction. Camera products is a fraction of a fraction. Pro-level mirrorless - another sub-fraction. Go figure, what is going on by these charts. Although Canon's overall decline looks worrisome, I believe their high tier equipment will continue to do well. Smartphones can eat consumer P&S cameras, but they can't replace professional equipment. I think RF line of lenses and R5 camera are absolutely fabulous. And I agree with You: the R5 suffered from a serious marketing fault.
yeah, when IT tools fail or do stupid things, it's the only moment I get really mad. Although usually it's the fault of the designer/programmer who overlooked some user-important element.
Yep true
Fantastic video, crystal clear, many thanks
Thanks for those words mate!
gotta love how youtube acts like photography doesnt exist everytime a camera with good video specs is released.
Eum I said in the video: "Because where the R5 beats the current Sony offering out of the park, is in professional photography, like large print size.
Then most of this chart doesn't matter. What matters then is this row. [highlighting which row]
Sharpness and Lenses. The R5 is a fantastic photography camera with its 45 MP sensor,
the RF lens lineup which is fantastic. The wide angle flexibility. The wildlife.
The f/1.2 lenses combined with the RF lens interface and the new autofocus, nailing stunning portraits every frame."
Then I said: "There is not a single advantage with the R5 here, *for video* *for me*."
Not sure I get your comment? What would you have liked to see?
And there are plenty stills cameras out there, better and cheaper than canon r5.
@@planetfun85 false. i doubt there is a better complete package. or at least not plenty of them. especially nothing cheaper.
@@RayValdezPhotography ,now youre talking about complete package...
@@planetfun85 for a stills camera. its only missing like one feature and excels at everything else.
It'll be sad if Canon goes out of business. We need competition to keep pushing companies
Absolutely, I really really wish that doesn't happen too!
R6 is the sleeper hit imo. Why is no one talking about this model?? Price and features are excellent.
I referred it briefly in the video. That clip with the cinema5d was actually with the R6, not the R5. Agree with you, they should have made that the video camera (reasonable pixel size), instead they dumbed it down with IPB only at launch, no 4k/120 and still overheating in long-form video.
The hybrid high res camera from sony a7r4 has 61mp & the offerings from panasonic & nikon above 45 so canon had to sell their camera with more advanced videospecs. Sony a7r4 did not increase their video specs but give the best quality 8bit 4k@30 (no overheating). In terms of lenses the e mount system is the most evolved at present Also an abundanceof very good lightweight lenses - sound optically andat much lower price points. Canon's lenses are far more expensive & still fewer 3rd party lenses, So they have to advertise some lenses that sony does not make. Its their way of selling the system - just like 8k. Sony has already evolved its mirrorless system & their cameras are already several generations old. Canon has to evolve their mirrorless line whichthey will eventually do as they have a huge technology base
Great insights and many good points. The E mount system does indeed have a lot of lens, many at great price points. Also true that Canon is still a beginner at mirrorless compared to Sony. But looking at the Canon Inc analysis at the end of the video, do they have that time? I don't know.
@@ctoLarssonTECH Canon was late to mirrorless because of their EF lenses - also for their cine cameras. Sony had hardly any lenses when their fullframe line came out but it gave the possibilityto adapt lenses - from canon ef to all kinds of vintage lenses. I had the first Sony a7r and to get that kind of resolution & adapt all kinds of lenses was really a very important time in mirrorless history. Now canon faces the inverse challenge of not having a arge native lens lineup. So they basically brought out the R5 as a beta camera. The technology that they put inis huge but not calibrated. Then they have too many mounts while both sony and nikon have the same mount for aps-c &FF. Also the sony system is getting even stronger so it will be tough for them .
Canon should just release a solid 4k videocentric mirrorles camera like the A7SIII for $2000(even if it does not shoot raw).
Very smart and well structured analysis.
Thanks for the kind words mate!
Again another informative video. Canon definitely dropped the ball here. Rather than coming out with an R5 and R6 which were are both photo cameras first they should have made one geared towards photography and the other geared towards videography. The 4k 120 and 8k would have been cleaner on the R6's 20mp sensor. Canons product development team is clearly out to lunch.
Exactly exactly exactly mate!!!! Imagine if they had come out the door with the R5 as the world's best camera for pro photographers and the R6 with a 1-to-1 4k sensor readout, built for video... Instead they made the R6 the budget option with dumbed down video specs like IPB, no 4k/120 and still video overheat limitations 🤦♂️ lol
You lost me when you showed an image of a Macbook as the “best laptop”. Lmao.
I was EXTREMELY tough on Apple in that review video and I actually sent it to the Apple exec's. They watched it and they're fixing some of the issues. What did you think about it? ua-cam.com/video/b1jZlPVs95g/v-deo.html
Yeah...apple being the best laptop is highly debatable. Most overpriced and hardest to upgrade laptop. Maybe. Best...no chance.
First of all, the R5 and A7S3 are not comparable cameras as such. "One size fits them all" doesn't exist yet and will never exist! I realized from the beginning, that the R5 is a very good stills camera. Unfortunately Canon's marketing pushed the video side with it's 8k capabilities. As a primarily stills shooter, the R5 could have been the camera of my choice 2.5 years ago, when I got my A9. As a now long time Sony shooter, starting in 2014 with the A7S because of it's FF low light and silent shutter capabilities, I kept moving to the higher resolution A7RII and then to the A9 for it's fast AF. Along with it came all the lenses from 10mm (Voigtländer) up to 600mm. Canon could have had all this money, if they had a competing FF DSLM product family starting in 2014. Also I like Sony's "one mount open specification" strategy, that allows 3rd parties to take full advantage of the E-mount. As a customer, I can now chose from excellent 3rd party lenses, specifically designed and optimised for E-mount. Lens convenience based on just one missing lens is simply short sighted. Even if I would start today, moving from mobile phone to something better, I would still choose Sony. Why? Because they have currently the largest ecosystem for DSLM's of all the suppliers and dominate the sensor technology. From A6100 all the way to the Venice. One mount!
Thanks for a superb recap. Agree completely. Sony has made a lot of things right these years, a very strategic and successful ecosystem play. Open standards almost always win. Going for a "smaller share of a bigger pie" is almost always more pie.
I have great respect for great execution, which is why I will bet on the Sony ecosystem at this point for video even though it means the pain of switching lenses too.
Sony did well by fixing and perfecting the 4k experience. Canon is showing the future. Great. Once they have IT perfected, then it will be a considerable choice. They opened he door. Good for Canon. Sony saw the need at 4k for the base users for mirrorless, and got it right (after 5 years).
True, this took Sony 5 years to get right. The reason I included the section at the end about Canon Inc, is to raise the question: Does Canon have 5 years? Or even 3? 2? 1? Don't know. What do you think?
@@ctoLarssonTECH Good question. The evidence is showing that some users other than Sony are now considering the a7sIII which shows that a waiting period for working out the bugs is forgivable by the fans and might still create excitement among non-users. I personally don't think Sony made 4K perfect/perfect, but came very close for most of its base.
(What is the life expectancy for a body? about...five years?) Buying may be cyclical.
As a customer base we have been trained look past the hype and look to our UA-cam teams to test and report. Manufacturers are on the hook to not promise too much and disappoint.
I think yes, Canon has five years to develop 8k in a typical photographer's camera body. I'm just not sure what targeted market is out there for that level of file management. (maybe in five years we'll all be ready for it?)
On a personal note; The A7s3 is on my radar, but I will wait for all the longer-use reviews to come out to see if it is worthy of that much cash. Also, I'm a lowly enthusiast... I sometimes make money with what I create, but I don't make a living with it.
Canon has another bigger problem in my opinion
What happens if their users all refuse to buy what is essentially seen as a "beta" camera and prefer to wait until all the hardware issues (overheating, recording time limits, inability to write video to both memory cards etc) are resolved in their next model update?
It is highly unlikely that all the issues can be fixed in firmware because Canon would have to have been very very stupid not to have done it before announcing the R5 and R6 - but Canon has been known to deliberately cripple their cameras so this may still be a (small) possibility
This is called the "Osborne Effect" and sent that market leading computer company bankrupt, Canon's camera division could suffer the same fate as that of Olympus's (becomes unprofitable and is then sold off to protect the parent company)
Smile, we might be having another "Kodak Moment", because a new camera typically takes a few years in development by which time users have long gone to another brand and it's just too late to catch up
I hope I'm wrong but Kodak, Nokia and Blockbuster etc say otherwise
What an excellent comment! I just went and refreshed my memory on the Osborne Effect actually, haven't thought about that one in a long time. Good point!!
Correct, I they reasonably can't fix this in firmware only, just maybe tune it a bit. The heat conduit is missing. While it's simple, if it's not there, it's not there. The air inside the unit acts as an excellent insulator, which is why it takes a full 2 hours to cool down even if it's cold on the outside. Now it's built like a thermos.
Who in their right mind is going to go buy the current R5/R6 for video today? Not many. If not switching, they would wait right, just like you point out - because surely it can be fixed with a slight hardware redesign. Photographers will buy it today, but how big share is that? If we assume it's 1/2, sales will be down 50% from expectation. That's huge and would turn this from a profitable product to a hugely unprofitable one. And given where the company is already, maybe that was the final straw.
There will be business books written about these events. Exciting to watch and interesting to see how this will play out!
@@ctoLarssonTECH And then there is the elephant in the room, and we need to ask the question if you are mainly a photographer - Why not buy the Sony A7RIV instead? It's a higher Megapixel camera and also does good 4K 30p when needed, and it's also cheaper with a larger selection of lenses (and cheaper 3rd party lenses are also available) than the R5 (no cheap RF mount or 3rd party lenses)
To make the transition a little easier, a couple of hundred dollars will buy you a Sigma MC-11 adapter for your old Canon EF lenses
I like the video, and I agree with a lot of what you say, but the stock comparison struck me as super odd considering your business background. I mean... Sony Imaging represents about 11% of Sony’s total revenue. The stock isn’t exactly trending because of the shrinking ILC market.
You are absolutely right. I thought to go into that also, but they video was getting wayyy too long already and I felt maybe got too complex to follow. Yes, that's that's the whole point: Because they are better diversified, they are sustainable as the camera market is changing. I think the capture devices will soon begin to look different, with many sensors instead of just one. I think Sony is well positioned for that. Clearly the market thinks Canon isn't. Exciting times no doubt! Thanks for your valid comment.
@@ctoLarssonTECH but don't forget that Canon is not only producing cameras, but also medical equipment including medical imaging systems where they are quite strong and definitely more profitable
CTO LARSSON - TECH Interesting take. I wouldn’t be afraid of a long video. Great content!
Do a OVDERHEATING Test at 4k 60 fps. You'll be surprised how fast it shuts down.
Oh really? Do you have a reference?
@@ctoLarssonTECH Several. But here's one that seems honest. ua-cam.com/video/d-SAUNuBCNM/v-deo.html
Great and honest video. Chapeau!!
Thanks mate
R6 is better for video than R5, less pixels, better low light and dynamic range, better non hq 4k30 than r5 and a7siii as we saw with Gerald Undone. They just need to fix the overheating, add the all-i and it should be a beast video camera with ibis great autofocus flip out screen, 4k60 and 1080p120. Just fix the overheating
Yes. Agree with you, they should have made the R6, the video centric camera since it has the reasonable pixel size. Instead they dumbed it down with IPB only at launch, no 4k/120 and still overheating in long-form video. That clip with cinema5d apologizing to his talent for his camera, was actually with the R6.
@@ctoLarssonTECH yes, i've seen that cinema5d video, was hard for me to watch as i was so excited about the R6, I currently shoot with a 5D4 / Weebill S. Was very excited about the upgrade... But apparently they are working on the firmware and hardware of the R6 &R5 hopefully we won't have bad overheating anymore... Max 3hrs of 4k60 and 6hrs of 4k30 would be very acceptable with a 30min cool down time. All-i is almost sure they will add in R6 and 4k120 for R6, even limited to 5min clips would be awesome !
Also 1080p at 240fps would be awesome !
All right, that's my wish list Canon !!!
Drive in the gut business talk on a CTO level for Sony & Canon!
Thanks mate. Will try to set up meetings with their CTO's over time
the canon rf 70-200 is more compact, because it has external zoom. the more professional lenses tend to zoom internally, because this way, dust cannot go into the lens as easy. the canon rf lenses are more expensive and there arent as many like for the sony system... sony seems to be the winner for me...
True. Do you know anyone who prefers the Sony version of the 70-200 over the Canon RF?
@@ctoLarssonTECH No, i dont know anyone. I personally would prefer the tamron 70-180mm because its cheaper and lighter. sony and canon 70-200 are overpriced in my opinion. i use the RF85mm 1.2 and this is a really nice lens for portrait, and the 35mm 1.8...
The new RF Lenses are fantastic!
Indeed they are!
And expensive as hell. 1000 + for a nifty fifty and 2000 for 85. Nice.
Already reports Canon is now looking at measures to fix the R5/R6 overheating issues and second batch of cameras are going to be delayed 4 months. I think a physical changes need to be made and they also need to offer 4K pixel-binned options as well as add features in fw. Never ever buy a new generation camera in first 6-12 months IMO. If Canon don't, won't or can't adress the overheating I won't be buying the R5.
i dont think "physicals changes" needs to be made, they just have to switch off the overheating protection algorhythm. the sony A7SIII is actually even 10° hotter(measures by dan watson) in 4k60 all-i. but sony has a setting that raises the threshhold for the heatwarning.
That would be a very welcome news if they do that. I agree with you, I think that would be the right course of action now. Only sell the current version as a photo cam and try again with video with another improved revision. This one just doesn't cut it
of all the Japanese photo-video companies (but I repeat myself), it's only Sony which has been successful in the last 2 decades. Canon is not unique in its decline. That's the problem with Japanese economy generally. All those companies are basically zombie companies, treading on a safe trail and stagnating while at the same time getting propped by artificially cheap credit available in Japan. There's just no incentive for them to really innovate. More accolades for Sony then.
Very important and true insight. It's the lazy fat cat syndrome. If already rich and successful, why bother going out on a limb to catch a mouse. Better just lay in the same place and wait for the food to be served. Not only Japanes companies but many once great western companies have fallen into this trap. In Sweden we call this the Facit Trap, ironically because Japanese companies almost overnight captured what was before a world dominating position in mechanical calculators, found in every office of the world.
Yes, but Sony bodies are terrible to use for extended periods. The ergonomics have not been improved. They are too small for western markets in my opinion. I doubt this will change. Nikon and Canon both seem to have nailed the ergonomics - and Sony has been reluctant to change in that regard.
The next camera from Canon is going to be a A7S3 competitor. An A7S3 "rip off". They don't have any other choice.. if they don't, from here on Canon will be a photography Company while Sony will be a videography, and photography company.
wtf are you talking about? ever googled C500 or C300? it crushes everything sony has to offer in video lol.
MikedieONE and Sony has the FX9... to clarify, we’re talking about the category: small mirror less hybrid cameras, that does both.
@@MikedieONE The issue with those cameras is price. A7S III is attractive because it gets 90% of the way there at 1/4 the cost of a c300 mk iii. For Canon to make a true A7S3 competitor they would have to make something in a small mirrorless form factor priced under $4k but that would undercut sales of the cinema cameras you mentioned, so Canon is kinda in a catch 22 here.
That tells me ur an idiot 12 mp for photography? get the fuck out of here. a7s3 is a one-trick pony its a video camera. r5 kills it in the photography department. its not a complete camera still being tested. Remember the overheating problems sony had when they started out you seem to forget about
Yes in this market segment Canon is in a difficult spot now. Product cycles are quite long for these types of products. I'd guess their best bet now is to re-design the firmware for the R6, or a tweaked version, and squeeze out All-I, 120 fps and no overheating from that one. It also has larger pixels so will perform more similar to the A7sIII.
UIhm dont wanna poop your party, but the rolling shutter is actually better on the R5 than on the a7sIII (see dan watsons video ua-cam.com/video/tgcp8wXAUZY/v-deo.html ) and the R5 has a faster sensor readout(see tony northrubs video). the R5 is also a Lowlight beast (see tony northrubs video).
and the IBIS on the sony looks unusable in compare to the R5.
"easy to edit" with the canon you can save a proxy file directly to your SD card, for much easier editing.
You better test both cameras yourself befor you come to conclusions from others.
Yeah I reacted to those parts aswell, but that's what you get when you do a comparison of not doing the things yourself. You rely on rumors and cerntain youtubers/specs.
He already had his mind made up and took videos that matched it :)
Im not a fanboy of any company, but I watched a lot of reviews. Both tony and dan had the same problems that only they experienced with the sony. Gerald and many other reviewers had way less of a rolling shutter on the sony. And the proxies are only in the 8k mode? But don't quote me on that, they might have updated it.
@@timjanjeselnik4680 We all know Gerald is a sony sill ffs
@@viperstinger77 I'm pretty sure he isn't but I don't think you can change your mind on that. He was gonna get the C300 before sony put out their camera. And he owns bmpcc. But to each its own
Eum will re-check later but wasn't it R6 in Tony's video that matched or exceeded the lowlight performance on his ISO setting, not the R5 which this comparison is about? Also I seem to remember he didn't use the recommended ISO 16,000 where the Sony has a dual gain-ish readout. The R6 also has bigger pixels (while other issues making it less suitable for my purpose videos, like IPB only, no 120 fps, and still question marks on the overheating).
I've seen conflicting reports on the rolling shutter in the R5, not sure why. Could be different firmware versions or using different format options. Good news if Canon fixed it.
Yes, first perceptions are important. The GH5 launched with under-cooked AF. Over time firmware upgrades fixed that and GH5 AF is now excellent, but the majority og non-GH5 users still think the AF is poor. I think the R5 is a brilliant camera, and the overheating is an irrelevancy because the worst parts of overheating occurs in the things that nobody is likely to use, or, if 4K120, it is the sort of thing needed for short clips only. Canon would have been better off leaving the 8K out, and doing what Sony did. People would have loved it, but now Sony is the one getting the love when it is a one-trick pony, and the R5 is more of a photo/video hybrid, which is more useful. Someone should take the gun out of Canon’s hand, because the shot themselves in the foot by going for the 8K aura.
Yep Canon could have sold R5 as a photography camera that can shoot short bursts of 8k, and made the R6 into a competitive video camera. As it stands now, we didn't get the video centric replacement to the EOS R, released in 2018, now dated. (The R5 4k non-HQ mode, which doesn't overheat, doesn't pixel bin, so it's not competitive.)
2 different cameras 2 different use cases. Compare canon to A7R4 and sony to blackmagic 6k. Also you praise 10 bit 4.2.2 then bash it because there are no codecs.
As far as I know, the Canon only does H.265 10 bit 4:2:2, which there is no HW decoding support for on most computers, while the Sony also has an H.264 10 bit 4:2:2 codec, which edits better. Do you have other information on that?
Unfortunately I have Canon lenses and do mainly video. Then the two comparisons you suggest are not what I needed. I was hoping the R5 would hold up better for video work. Clearly it doesn't. It's a photo camera, as you correctly point out and that also means Canon doesn't have an option at this stage. Hence the conclusion that I need to switch. Would you draw any other conclusion?
Max Yuriv did a video on the h265 codec in canon and found that the ipad pro is the only device that allows it to play back cleanly. You can check his video. I would suggest you follow your instinct and stick to Sony as I think Canon has tried to make a swiss army knife of cameras and it misses on a couple of critical points. The Sony will likely hold its resale value a bit better if the a7r3 is any indication
Love your channels!
Thank you so much!
whats good is quality for if you do not have any creativity
Quality can be beautiful in itself 😊
Hi CTO Larsson,
It is interesting that I value the work done by TLDR, Gerald, and yourself. And ironically and/or coincidently, all of you have chosen the A7S3. The common thread is that all of you are fact-base, technically knowledgeable, and understand on what matters in real world use.
I hope you don’t mind that I copy and paste my response to TLDR and Gerald to you as as I would appreciate that you could validate my assumptions below. There’s no pride in authorship since I want to see if this can be solved for. It will allow the camera community to get larger. Note: I’ve made some edits and notes to you along the way below:
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Good to get your feedback as you focused on answering real world workflow and use case, rather than on specs and brand loyalty debates.
I mentioned this in several of my posts and will repeat here. Sorry to be picky and specific here, but the overheating word is being misused in the YT community right now.
See below for my detailed explanations:
1) Longevity: Both A7S3 and R5/6 (probably goes for all camera bodies) uses sensors and components inside that are either commercial grade (-4F to 140F or -20 to 60C) or industrial grade (-40 to 122F or -40 to 85C) so they have a long ways before they melt or fail. I won’t mention military grade as these are consumer products.
2) Heat Safety threshold: This is not equal to overheating and shutting down. It is set to shut down for consumers safety.
“Hand hot” is a term to describe the hottest temp that one person can hand touch without pain. That is generally below 122F or 50C and range from 110-115F or 43-48C.
And that also depends on a person’s age, gender, pain tolerance, having calloused hands, etc.
Sony’s approach to consumer safety is to use two modes:
1) standard for hand held shooting; and
2) high for tripod shooting.
The reason for this is that I’m guessing that they don’t want to get sued if it gets too hot to hand touch and then having the consumer drop and break the camera. It will not be hot enough to burn the hand but the shock or feeling of it being hot will possibly make the consumer let go of the camera.
Therefore their default setting will always be set to standard mode for safety measures and avoiding lawsuits.
Canon does the same with their recording limits that they issued for each recording mode. When it hits the heat safety threshold, it turns off (Edit: unless recording is external like what Gerald showed with the R6 where it records beyond it’s recording limit). But more on this below.
3) Design to address thermal energy/dynamics:
Both brands took a different approach.
Sony, having been scrutinized for about 5yrs and having more experience to solve for thermal heat management, so they used a weather sealed small body but with passive heat sinks to allow heat to dissipate.
The limitations here is that it will still hit the heat safety threshold in high ambient temps (i.e. exposed in direct sunlight) but not in room temp.
Dan showed in first video but was in standard mode. Then in second video, he changed it to high mode and it still shut off. All he did was provide a data point that most cameras will hit that heat safety threshold at some point. He didn’t say anything about the camera being too hot to hand touch, didn’t measure the temp at shut off, or if it can continue to record or shoot stills, or if he got the same results in room temp, etc etc. hence the criticism.
Canon on the other hand (with less experienced on solving for thermal heat management), designed the R5 with a magnesium alloy and bigger body with no passive heat sinks or active cooling fan chamber with vents. So when they set the safety threshold settings, it will also shutdown but since the body is weather sealed, heat is trapped and cannot dissipate so it will shut down in either room or ambient temps according to the limits provided by Canon in each recording mode.
(Edit: CTO Larsson, technically, if this is true and the R5/6 does not get hot to the touch, Canon could do a firmware update that allows “high temp mode” like Sony and allows the recording limits to increase at higher temps without damaging the sensor and components inside. They are probably too conservative with their limits)
All in all, it’s like a race car, the specs and speedometer says 240-320+kmph (or 150--200mph) but for safety for everyone driving, the law requires a speed limit of 55-65mph depending in which country you live in (my reference is for US freeways/highways).
Anyhow sorry for the long rant on this as it seems the YT community in general is not aware of thermal heat management and what these camera manufacturers need to think about for consumer safety as well as comply to safety laws.
Hope that in future and further testing, there will be options to allow to push the heat safety threshold and increase recording times but with “buyer’s beware or warranty voided” to that effect.
Keep creating more content as it helps me learn more about video creation!
One of the most insightful and valuable comments here. Thank you. What you write is very true. I've actually worked a bit with heat dissipation designs. Mobile basestations (what's at the other end of your 2g/3g/4g/5g phone) need to run 24/7 and they're full of electronic stuff inside a weather sealed enclosure.
At least in that space, and possibly in the case of these two cameras too, there there is one more consideration beyond consumer safety and longevity and that is performance. It's harder to make an amplifier that is low noise at high temperature than to make one that is low noise at low temperatures. So if they allow the temperature to run hotter, it might not only be problems with consumer safety - because it seems the R5 is completely cold to the touch even when it switches off for overheating, or circuit damage, but it might start producing image artifacts if running any hotter. The heat may excite the sensor or amplifier into believing there was a photon there and image quality might start falling apart. I don't know if this is the case, but I'm guessing it is.
Will be very interesting to see what Canon will do at this stage, I'm sure like you suggest, they will increase the tolerance (let it run hotter) and my guess is also that they are already working on a thermal redesign, because it seems the current version doesn't have one.
It should be soooo easy to put a heat sink that just conducts the heat out to some sort of metal plate which you can then hook up to a bigger battery grip or something and get the heat off the camera. Let's see!
Hi CTO LARSSON,
Yes you are correct. Side effects of sensor noise is from heat so I am sure that is a consideration for Canon’s engineers. Just don’t know what temperature levels can be pushed without introducing image noise.
It seems that others having the R5 are saying that the CF express cards run hot while the rest is not. If this is the case, maybe Canon can provide different lower bit rate modes so it doesn’t run hot and trigger the heat safety threshold.
Canon is the aggressor here and went swinging for the fences with 8k raw/24/30 and 4k 60/120 HQ recording modes which are computational intensive, so let’s hope that by November, the new batches have these thermal heat management sorted out with internal heat sinks and be less conservative with the heat safety thresholds and then recording times can be extended to at least 1hr in these high recording modes.
Always a fan of tech pushing its limits and capturing our imagination.
Stay safe and enjoy your A7S3. I may be following you in Nov/Dec when enough reviews and real world tests are out.
Hi CTO LARSSON,
Check this article out with a tear down of the R5. Hope it is not true what Canon is said to do in the R5:
www.eoshd.com/news/chinese-user-modifies-canon-eos-r5-to-improve-heat-management-but-finds-artificial-firmware-time-limit/
A great video. However the framing of this whole discussion of R5 vs A7SIII is, how to say it, amplified by youtube vloggers. All the press around these cameras these days are driven by vloggers, not photographers. Most people turn to youtube videos to learn about the new cameras and are confronted by a wall of criticism of features they will never use. No photographer would buy a 12mp camera in 2020. The 5 series cameras have always been the solid workhorse photography camera first, with some innovative video features thrown in. That is what Canon has done here. Could Canon have put a fan in like the Panasonic? Yes, but that would be at the expense of vents and compromise the reliability and weather sealing that photographers need this camera for. Could Canon have made a 12MP video camera? Yes, but it wouldn't be called the R5. There is simply no reason to compare these cameras to each other. I do believe that the situation with the video will improve slightly with firmware updates, but the camera already achieves way beyond what the typical photographer needs video for.
Agreed. For photography 12mp is pointless. The sony is only a video camera and frankly i'd rather use a blackmagic pocket cinema. It's cheaper and producers better files.
Let me phrase the conclusion better: Up until a few weeks ago, I thought the R5 would be the promised pro video upgrade of the EOS R, released in 2018, now dated. For that reason, I had a pre-order in since spring. In fact, today I learned that some Canon employees thought so too - all the way through the launch two weeks ago. Clearly it isn't. It's a photo camera. But then where is the video camera replacing the EOS R for mirrorless video work? Is that the R6? Hardly, released with IPB, no 4k/120 and still overheating. Means they don't have it. That's a problem - for me, not for you as a photographer.
That's why I tried to be as clear as possible in the video and said this (approximately)
"Because where the R5 beats the current Sony offering out of the park, is in professional photography, like large print size.
Then most of this chart doesn't matter. What matters then is this row.
Sharpness and Lenses. The R5 is a fantastic photography camera with its 45 MP sensor, the
RF lens lineup which is fantastic. The wide angle flexibility. The wildlife.
The f/1.2 lenses combined with the RF lens interface and the new autofocus, nailing stunning portraits every frame."
I also believe I said multiple times that this comparison is for my needs for video, not photography.
Yes - if you don't need good autofocus... I do.
Your gears are best but you are top notch!
Thanks mate and you are still fab!
I will choose the R5, I think it's the better camera - definitely for me as I do hybrid work! I still prefer Canon colors. I saw same very ugly Sony examples, this article explains that: www.focuspulling.com/a7siii/ The share prices don't really reflect the state of the camera divisions. Both of these companies have a lot of other business areas, too and the imaging services are just a small part of their revenue. Sony has a huge gaming console business and COVID 19 actually affected it in a positive way - that's why Sony's share price has increased recently.
Absolutely. Sony is well diversified and can therefore afford to invest in Camera R&D despite a potentially shrinking market. Canon sales is ~50% office (like office printers), 25% cameras, 12% medical, etc. Can they afford to do the same the next 3-5 years? Don't know.
@@ctoLarssonTECH I hope so, we are in a shrinking camera market, though. Sony and Canon are still the two strongest camera companies and both will probably survive.