I think the mystery and unanswered questions surrounding Billy is what makes him so intriguing. We aren't really sure what he looked like from that distorted picture of him.
I have always found it interesting that there are not other pictures of Billy. There are quite a few picts of all the others Billy knew but only the one of him.
@@questcreditsolutions7586 Christopher P Johnson, representative of the 32nd district of South Dakota is trying to steal my photos of my blood grandfather. He has hired folks to mess up my truck he is a liar, Jesus I woke one day to find my Chevy Truck Avalanche 2013 Black Diamond Series now had a welded on Radio antenna, you tell me.. he still don’t know shit and never will. I will take the truth the facts to the grave if I have too. I am tired of the Brady, Bigalow type greedy Lincoln loven not knowing shit about true history. Greed is what got Lincoln moving not the black man, trust he could give a shit he did the largest lynching with Santa suit native Americans 38 young men lynched at once that was Lincoln he didn’t care about black men either all he cared about was he wanted in on the new cotton mills that Europe was making it’s a money thing America is built on a lie and Billy the kid is my grandpa whether you believe it or not I didn’t really give a shit but it is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God and you Christopher P Johnson and your son Trevor will burn in hell in Lake of fire you know what you doing you know how many Native Americans you burn and you will continuously burn people especially women and you know what you know what you’re doing you know you’re doing wrong got ain’t gonna open them pearly gates from you and you are getting into that age bracket not as old as me right behind me maybe but not as old I am your elder as far as I’m concerned you can go straight to hell on a smoken wagon. I place it in Gods hands and like Billy and Jesse if I can’t be their voice to save horses wolves and children, that’s on you. Enjoy life as you know it Liar ! At least I will be at the feet of my relatives MY ancestors YOUR A WALKIG LIE AS IS TOUR SON TREVOR, LOW LIFE THIEVES, never forget the 2 thieves nailed beside Jesus, one was forgiven, the other NOT. You can’t stop being evil sneaky with hidden agendas. Yah think God don’t REALLY know your heart your intentions ?? Something to ponder on…your a scab your son a blood sucking insect. Oh your not gonna run again, well ain’t that something you don’t want to be a politician anymore and represent the 32nd district because you don’t want Kota news to find out you don’t want the governor to find out you don’t want to be another one because there’s been two politicians you’ve been kicked out of office but for drinking and running someone down what’s the difference between what they did and what you have done and been doing and will continue to do you don’t need to be a politician anymore you don’t even need your stupid pawn Zim do you know why cause you’re living off of blood money my blood not yours, that verbal was a lie bet Echo Johnson is your relation, my sweet maintenance man who fked up my truck as I slept , yup your relationship
Great talk Michael! You really hit the jackpot with that revelation that Paulita was in Pete's bedroom prior to the Kid's killing. Regarding the Kid's romantic pursuits, have you ever heard of the story that that he was involved with a woman in Las Vegas? Not sure where I read about it but perhaps it was in Utley's book on the Kid. The story goes that the Kid was visiting a married woman in Las Vegas who seemed to love to "entertain" the outlaws. She was going thru a divorce at the time and that is how the story came to light during court testimony. Apparently, when the husband found out about her extra curricular activities, he petitioned the court to take the children away from her. The Kid was named as one of her "customers". Court records do exist and hopefully, some researcher like yourself could still dig up some details about this. I am hoping to purchase your books soon. I really appreciate you quest for digging deeply into the what I like to call the "minutiae of history" Best Regards.
I do remember that....if memory serves the guy's name might have been Webb? I'd have to look it up and yes, it's in Utley's book. I think Billy probably could find a girl to put up with just about anywhere in the territory. With no Facebook or Instagram, it wasn't like the other girls were going to find out anyway. Just imagine Billy's Facebook page though? :-)
Mr Giudicissi: thank you so much for doing this research. Re: your question “Will any new bombshell discoveries happen in this story?” I think it’s possible. I’m 60 and my great-grandparents were the next generation under Billy’s, (born circa 1890). It’s still entirely possible somebody could find a family Bible or some previously unknown hand-written letters, etc. among a grandparent or great-grandparent’s belongings. People tend to forget having such things, especially if dementia is a factor, in latter years. Example: in the house my family lived in, in the 1970’s, we found a letter that had been sent to a previous owner, telling them about Lincoln’s assassination. Heads-up: the SMITHSONIAN likes to keep things secret, for some reason, and they end up with MANY such artifacts but they never revise the historical record. There is a power at work that likes to conceal whatever can be concealed. There just is. Also, if you proved Billy didn’t die in 1881, the museum and gravesite at Ft Sumner immediately get discredited. You won’t find many people there who want to make that happen. I’ve been there several times and the guy who does the tour at the museum is adamant that Garret’s story is the real deal. Good luck sir, you’re doing a fine job!
You're right, of course. There is a discovery sitting out there somewhere right now. Maybe the more we talk about the story of The Kid, it prompts someone to take interest and they go rummaging through their attic. Then, maybe we find something that hasn't been seen in 140 years!?
I had the old 19th Century McCarty family Bible in my hand. It went to someone other than me and has been lost. It was full of names and important dates of old West McCarty's. I was told by my father and grandfather that Billy was a member of our McCarty family. My great great grandfather Elijah McCarty told my dad, H.E. McCarty that he had a brother who died in Andersonville prison. He did, and his name was John McCarty of the 6th Indiana Volunteer Infantry. I have seen John McCarty's grave in that huge cemetery at Andersonville. It holds 13,000 grave stones, most with the name of the deceased. That cemetery was Sara Barton's first project. She insured that the dead were named and are therefore a part of the history of the Civil War. John McCarty was, I think, the father of the Kid. Bible lost so can't prove it.
If he was in a relationship with Paulita it also explains him hesitating in firing his pistol in her brothers bedroom! He would not have been wanting to put a potential future family member at high risk.
As the story goes Paulita also had a bedroom in the house that Billy was killed in. She was awakened by the ruckus outside her room and ran, along with Deluvina into her brother's bedroom. Someone lit a candle and they saw the Kid's body sprawled out on the floor. Deluvinia pounded Garrett on his chest shouting that he had "Killed my boy". She called him a "piss pot". Paulita was in there too. A crowd gathered and Poe and Garrett feared for their lives. Maybe Kip McKinny too. The Kid's body was carried to a carpenter's shop and laid out on a table, where the women prepared it for burial which took place the following day. Some men dug the grave the following morning. An inquest was held and the government men were exonerated of murder. Women sat candles around Billy's body and prayed over him until he was taken to the cemetery. For many years Billy's grave was marked with a plain wooden cross. Deluvinia put flowers on it for decades. The grave was probably not where we see it today, but it is close by. I met a fellow 35 years ago who said he knew one of the fellows who buried the Kid. He told me that he knew the location of the actual grave. Sadly this gent passed in the early 90s. He had been a cop around there after WWII. His name was Nick Jackson.
Something drew The Kid to Ft Sumner that night. He had to know he was taking a chance that Garret would be waiting there. Likewise, Garret knew The Kid, for sure, would be coming to Ft Sumner. They both knew something that history has lost or covered-up. Paulita may have had reason, for her children’s sake, to take the secret to the grave with her.
I don't think Billy thought or knew that Garrett and his small posse was at Fort Sumner. He had been hiding out on the prairie camping with cowboys. He always feel relatively safe while in Fort Sumner. Most of its citizens where Hispanic, fans of the Kid. So Billy showed up, sometime after dark and tied up his horse. He walked to the kitchen where he me Deluvinia who was a servant. He said he was hungry. She told him where was a beef hanging on the porch. She handed him a knife, telling him to cut himself a steak and she'd cook it up for him. He dropped his pistol belt and kicked off his boots and in his stocking feet jogged over to the porch. He noticed the men sitting on the porch, probably smoking. Billy walked right by them and they kinda said, "Hi". Pete Maxwell's bedroom was right there. He ducked inside, to ask Maxwell who those guys outside were. He didn't notice Garrett at first, who was sitting at the head of Pete's bed asking the sleeping man if he knew the whereabouts of the Kid. Billy probably didn't notice Garrett who was only a few feet away. Pete said to Garrett something like, "That's him!". Garrett said he recognized the kid's voice when he was asking him who those guys outside were. The sheriff pulled his Colt and shot the kid center mass. He fell flat on his face and died. Then all hell broke loose!
As a native New Mexican, Billy had Rockstar status during the latter part of his life. No woman at times would have turned down an opportunity to be with him. No doubt, he did indeed return to ft. Summer bc of a woman. Paulita
Paulita was retelling the conversation that they had after the killing of Billy. Garrett & Poe both stated they had to hide out at the Maxwell house all night after the killing as they sensed there might be retaliation. The conversation with Garrett was not before the killing.
Probably so...but again, why would Garrett be so focused on why Kid was in Sumner after he was already dead? Why would Pete stop Paulita from saying anything? Why would Pete allow his sister to stand there in his room while Garrett and Poe expected to be mobbed by Billy's friends in the same spot?
It doesn't seem so curious to me. It seems like something you would talk about after such a traumatic event. it would seem weird to me to not talk about it. What the hell was he doing here, Pete? I would ask that. Paulita said, in Nobles notes, she was standing next to Pete's chair. Not his bed. She never said his bedroom. They could have been in any room of the house. And she said Garrett asked WHY the kid was in town, not IF he was in town. This is the give away that it was asked after he killed him. I also don't find it strange she was in the house after. It's where she lives.
When dealing with Paulita's comment in 1925/1926 one must remember that she is a mature adult, looking back at her youth. So when she states things like, "I was not in love with him" she may be telling the truth... from the perspective of a grown woman looking back at a young girl's feelings. The statement that neither had thoughts of marriage also does not mean much, as Billy was playing the field so he definitely didn't and so she was accepting of that. Her statement that basically she would go to the ends of the earth for Billy does say it all however. And stating that she was not Billy's sweetheart is probably 100% true considering he probably was playing the field. No girl was his "sweetheart". Billy was the sweatheart of several women, (probably), but not vice versa.
The acting on your movie the verdict in the trial Billy the kid or whatever you call it is damn good I rented it last night and it’s an outstanding job of acting and bringing evidence and I agree with it
There have been several accounts by family members of people that were involved in the buriel of Bill that Pat had hid inder a bench and shot billy with a shot gun. It makes sense that Pat had a conversation with both Pete and Paulita before he shot Billy. I have always believed that Pat did indeed shoot Billy with a shot gun. I feel as though Paulita was in love with Billy but he was in love with someone else.
Pat Garrett at 6'4" laying under a bench?? And still having room to maneuver a 12 gauge shotgun around, and shoot it accurately?? Sorry, I don't think so.
@@MankindMediaLLC yes sir many. For quiet some time the adobe home that Luz Maxwell built In 1894, down the road from the old fort. It was used to claim Billy was killed there. They even charged a quarter to walk into one of the rooms claimed to be it. My dad growing up used to talk about a lot in the 1960’s and 70’s. Although the Maxwell and Abreu family’s said it wasn’t Billy the kid but another man named Billy. They also said that Pat Garret hid under a loveseat style chair in the hallway and basically blowed the man’s head off with a double barrel shotgun. I have relatives in Albuquerque who are in their upper 80’s now who has gained money from the sale of the furnishings of Pete Maxwells room. They were sold in the 1990’s to someone in California. Word from the family has been consistent about Brushy Bill Robert’s from Hico, tx being the real Billy the Kid!
@@jimmiethomas7194 Interesting about the loveseat. I've seen one that Paulita had in the back room of the old museum near the cemetery....I wonder if that was the one?
@@MankindMediaLLC I’ve been told that it was that one. Most people don’t realize that because the home was originally a officers quarters that it had a long hallway down the center with rooms to the left and right off that hallway. Pat Garret hid underneath the furniture in the dark to avoid a gunfight. The story of him being shot in Pete’s bedroom was made up to make it look as though it was not a ambush.
@@jimmiethomas7194 that's pretty wild because I literally had my hands on that thing when we filmed in the old museum building! We were instructed not to sit on it....but it was very cool just to have it there.
I agree but there is one thing I do believe I believe her son was Billy the Kid's son they conceived that boy but he grew up without ever knowing about his real father until he probably he found some papers and then found out and learn the truth
I think your argument that Telesfor's birth date was recorded as later than it actually was to make it impossible for him to be BTK's son, is very pursuasive.
Seems like every kid-afficionado, even historians, copies and reprints this picture (the large one) in their literature as being of Paulita Maxwell, although it clearly shows a teenager in mid to late 1860s attire and hairstyle! It most likely shows Paulitas oldest sister Virginia. Just compare this pic with others of her! Probably because it was found in Paulitas album, and because it shows a similar looking, but prettier girl than Palita probably was.
She was from a rich family. I think he was out of her league financially and i dont think her family would approve and maybe she thought about the life she had and the life she would of had with billy big difference
In the desert people moved around after dark because it was cooler. Garrett was not in Pete's room. He was in Paulita's room. Pete did not want Billy for a brother in law, so he sicced Garrett on Billy. Garrett shot twice. The second bullet missed Billy and hit a piece of furniture that was in Paulita's room. He ran out of the room and sent a woman back to see if Billy was dead. Paulita applied the granny filter that women use to make their past seem more respectable. Paulita did it. Josephine Marcus Earp did it. And my granny did it. Burns wrote that the Maxwell house had been scavenged before 1926 by a rancher who wanted the wood to build his own house. Your project to restore it will take a lot of doing.
Billy was a billy goat. The evidence that he was in Paulita's room was that according to Paulita's servant girl, one of Garrett's bullets hit a piece of furniture in Paulita's room, and the men sent the servant in to see if Billy was dead.
@@arailway8809 Brushy Bill was a liar, but so was pat garret who lied to preserve the reputation of Paulita Maxwel who was anybody's dog that would hunt with her, the truth is Billy was shot in the back during an intimate moment with her that left her with an abdominal scar, and later a daughter called Gringa Retardo, in English this means white with developmental disabilities, who would later commit suicide, After Billy was killed a blood stained mattress was burned the morning after in the yard. John Poe was sent to purchase a new one that morning, and Pauline was not at Billys wake or burial because she was bandaged and bleeding. The story that was told later was all a version to erase the fact that Garett back shot Billy during coitus and kept the Maxwells from enduring the shame of their girl being the ranch bicycle, these are documented historical facts. That Mattress purchase the morning after is all anyone needs to think about, that and that no one gets shot at close range and hangs on to a pistol in one hand and a knife in the other, or that shooting someone standing causes the bullet to travel from the lower back up to the heart, that happens when someone is prone shot in the back and busy. Adella was Billy’s daughter, After William Bonney’s death in 1881, Paulita Maxwell married José Felix Jaramillo on January 14, 1883. They had three children, but he was abusive, and she eventually left the marriage. Jose often punched her bullet scarred belly and is believed to have forced himself on Adella who killed herself at the age of 16. “There was no use chasing him in that country with the start he had,” Garrett later said. “I waited until I thought he would reach his sweethearts at the Maxwell ranch house, and-I got him. Paulita said,” They asked my brother Pete why the Kid was in Fort Sumner, he shook his head and said he did not know., but he merely wanted to save Garrett the embarrassment. He knew., and I knew. I was standing beside his chair at the time and would have answered the question if Pete, with a look, had not warned me to keep my mouth shut." Also, fun fact about Garret's story is the floor plan of the old US Army officers' quarters that was then after the Maxwell house, shows no exterior door to Pete’s room. To this day no one has ever been able to explain the military officer's mattress purchase in the expense report submitted by John W Poe Ask yourself if you believe a shot from a .44 at close range in the back would mean you could hang on to a pistol and a knife and the bullet path would go from the lower back and then shoot up towards the heart. How does someone enter a room where no door exist? Why spend the night barricaded in a room in fear, unless you have done something cowardly and wrong wounding a pregnant girl in process. Did you know that Poe ended up being Sheriff the following year and that Garrett named his son after Poe?
James East (Billy's guard in Ft Sumner) made the romantic connection between Paulita and BTK in a letter to Siringo who published his story of BTK in 1920 without naming Paulita directly -- East also described Paulita as a little" stout like her mother..." as can be seen from photograghs.
Did pat go to Paulita first? did she take him to see her brother? how much time did he stay in the room? some say pat used a shotgun not a pistol and i think he did because he knew Billy was faster and very accurate but a shotgun douible barreled..two shots were heard..could make a mess with the face and upper body...Billy may not have been there that night.....
Not sure about going to see Paulita first? I’m not sure how that would have gone over with Pete. Pat said he was in Pete’s room for a very short time before billy arrived on the porch.
@@MankindMediaLLC yeah i haven't done alotta research but always looking for info..pat's story is alittle enhanced Im sure and maybe the wrong Billy got shot and a 12 00 buckshot can mangle a face especially when 1st shot put him down then the fatal shot..pat would not risk a pistol shot...I think he got away the day before..he knew they would show up and he staed 9 weeks? thanks for your work and post..Im reading!!
Sorry for all the questions! I know Billy's mother came from Ireland...do you know what part of Ireland? And has anybody gone back to Ireland to do any research on Billy the kids mom? I'm sure she still has family there! My great grandmother came with her three sisters from Ireland and one sister went back to Ireland! I do have a lot of family there in fact they came to visit me one year... unfortunately, looking for Sunshine when they landed however, it rained for 2 weeks while they were visiting me in New Jersey!
No need to apologize! I don't know that Katherine has ever been tracked to her home village in Ireland....or that she was definitely from there (could have been England)...but someone else might know about that research? Where in NJ? I was born and raised in Palisades Park!
@@MankindMediaLLC Elizabeth! Katherine if more information could be found on her I think a lot more questions perhaps could be answered just saying...✌️🇲🇽
Billy worked for her brother. They grew up together. They were not sweethearts. Pete's mom spoke of Billy like a son. Paulita was the riches woman in Fort Sumner, which made her the Belle of Fort Sumner.
Cynthia, I like your take on this. both Pat and Billy worked for Pete at the same time. That's when they became friends. Concerning William and Paulita, they grew up together, correct! there was 7 years between them. again they could not have been sweethearts. Correct again!.... Deluvina was only a year between William??? Now put all the stories that you've heard about Deluvina and Billy and see if something come to mind......??
@@michaelram2634 I researched Billy, where he lived and why Chisholm chose to send him to Tunstalls. I never put much thought into who Billy dated. Or who Deluvina was. I have only recently looked at Billy's love interests. Seems there was a few that claim to have had his children. What are your thoughts on Deluvina?
@@michaelram2634 I have heard that. And I think there is something to that. But I have also seen some proof Billy didn't go to Fort Sumner at all and Garrett knew that.
The 1926 interview was an opportunity for Paulita to counter accusations made by Siringo in print some years before that left no doubt who he was referring to without actually naming her.... Telisfor was originally her brother-in-law who died young but not as young as he could have --- thanks to BTK... Like any good bartender on the make -- Pat Garrett convinced John Chisum that he was the man to rid the Pecos of BTK -- as Paulita said: his only qualification was familiarity with the Kid and having been an unsuccessful buffalo hunter....
Couldnt Garret have asked why the kid was there after he had shot him, it explains why she was also there next to the chair and the look to stay quiet.
Sure...he could have...except Garrett talks about how he and his men barricaded themselves in the room with the dead man, afraid of being attacked by his friends. I wonder if Pete would allow his sister to have a conversation in the very room where the Sheriff was expecting to be ambushed in?
@@MankindMediaLLC perhaps it was in the immediate aftermath when they would have come to the sounds of gunfire a d Garret would start with his questions of them as to why the kid was there ? Just a possibility. We infer much but from the basic text there is nothing to suggest it was before or after the shooting. It's also perhaps more likely. As questioning them before the shooting would raise the awareness of him and his men being there. Any officer at a crime scene would do much the same. As for barricading himself in overnight, this would probably not dismiss possibilities of asking questions of those present in their home.
Paulita's denial of any romance between her and Billy -- is consistent with Brushy not mentioning her at all....surely Brushy would have followed the popular narrative to garner support for his claims.... he does mention Deluvina Maxwell who Jesus Silva ( Maxwell's forman) did say was Billy's girlfriend.
Yes Paulita was the kids girl friend.. even though she denied in it the 1920s. To protect her family She was his girl. How many of the other ladies can say Billy Was killed in their home and possibly in their bedroom lol.
Brushy Bill was a liar, but so was pat garret who lied to preserve the reputation of Paulita Maxwel who was anybody's dog that would hunt with her, the truth is Billy was shot in the back during an intimate moment with her that left her with an abdominal scar, and later a daughter called Gringa Retardo, in English this means white with developmental disabilities, who would later commit suicide, After Billy was killed a blood stained mattress was burned the morning after in the yard. John Poe was sent to purchase a new one that morning, and Pauline was not at Billys wake or burial because she was bandaged and bleeding. The story that was told later was all a version to erase the fact that Garett back shot Billy during coitus and kept the Maxwells from enduring the shame of their girl being the ranch bicycle, these are documented historical facts. That Mattress purchase the morning after is all anyone needs to think about, that and that no one gets shot at close range and hangs on to a pistol in one hand and a knife in the other, or that shooting someone standing causes the bullet to travel from the lower back up to the heart, that happens when someone is prone shot in the back and busy. Adella was Billy’s daughter, After William Bonney’s death in 1881, Paulita Maxwell married José Felix Jaramillo on January 14, 1883. They had three children, but he was abusive, and she eventually left the marriage. Jose often punched her bullet scarred belly and is believed to have forced himself on Adella who killed herself at the age of 16. “There was no use chasing him in that country with the start he had,” Garrett later said. “I waited until I thought he would reach his sweethearts at the Maxwell ranch house, and-I got him. Paulita said,” They asked my brother Pete why the Kid was in Fort Sumner, he shook his head and said he did not know., but he merely wanted to save Garrett the embarrassment. He knew., and I knew. I was standing beside his chair at the time and would have answered the question if Pete, with a look, had not warned me to keep my mouth shut." Also, fun fact about Garret's story is the floor plan of the old US Army officers' quarters that was then after the Maxwell house, shows no exterior door to Pete’s room. To this day no one has ever been able to explain the military officer's mattress purchase in the expense report submitted by John W Poe Ask yourself if you believe a shot from a .44 at close range in the back would mean you could hang on to a pistol and a knife and the bullet path would go from the lower back and then shoot up towards the heart. How does someone enter a room where no door exist? Why spend the night barricaded in a room in fear, unless you have done something cowardly and wrong wounding a pregnant girl in process. Did you know that Poe ended up being Sheriff the following year and that Garrett named his son after Poe?
The story that Billy and Paulita were scheming to elope to Old Mexico is probably true. Paulita probably discounted the story because he was a villain and a known killer. Not exactly a story to be proud of.
Ok I’ve not read about her but wow this is telling, I often wondered if garrett married Billy the kids sweetheart or whatever but she was there a slip of the word, she was going to be with him wow oh wow that is intense yep she said it right there
Pete's room was pitch dark, so how could Paulita be able to see Pete "shoot her a look"? IF she was indeed in the room, which she probably was not. BUT if she was in there, then there was definitely something else a foot. To lure Billy in???
Belle of Ft Sumner due to her being the unmarried daughter of Lucien Maxwell -- patriarch of the local hispanic community....Paulita mentions girls being chaparoned by their mothers --- none more so than her whose mother became matriarch of the family .... Paulita mentions a "girl" being born that looked much like Billy and the mother being very proud of the fact but that the child only lived to see 8 years. .. I think Paulita wanted to depict -- as well as her knowledge of BTK --- Hispanic values that she herself possessed : although she kept a photo album -- she never kept the tin type of Billy.....
Just as Sallie Chisum was the Princess of the Pecos to many a cowboy (and spoke favorably of "Willie" Bonney ) --- you just know BTK was not acceptable to her family and station in life. .... even more so with Paulita Maxwell : she married into a prosperous and respected Hispanic family and could never divorced her husband because of her Catholic faith : Both women eventually had failed marriages....
Something came to me while listening to you I have a theory but can’t explain here obviously I want to just run my theory by you I just started my fascination with this part of history, so I know that you are far more educated on details facts ect but I really feel like somethings just dropped in my lap Right as you made it clear she was in that room which after her words and something you said It came to me ! and I thought you were going to say it ! I don’t think you even realized Would love a chance to send you an email with my thoughts You never know it could be And epiphany moment If you don’t want to put your email here I understand I can leave mine
She was there because she lived there. She heard gun shots and they all meet up to talk, Yes Celsa was Pat's sister in law, that's what she meant.Any one who thinks Billy lived on to be a old man is just wrong. He was shot and killed by Pat. WAY to many people there who saw and heard what happened. One of them would have spilled the beans by now. So let the poor guy rest, to many lies and cover ups. He lived hard and died hard but either way he is dead, shot by Pat End of!!!
That's not what Paulita said....she stated that she was there BEFORE Billy was shot, while Pat was asking Pete why the Kid was in Sumner. What matter would it have been why he was in Sumner after he was already dead?
Also the story about her going to the cemetery and taking the Cross doesn't come across as a lovesick young girl, I always believed it was Celsa or even Delavina...
@@prudd72 I imagine paulita and her brother Pete making jokes about the Dead Man's ghost, very hard to think that there was any romance there or love lost
I think the mystery and unanswered questions surrounding Billy is what makes him so intriguing. We aren't really sure what he looked like from that distorted picture of him.
I have always found it interesting that there are not other pictures of Billy. There are quite a few picts of all the others Billy knew but only the one of him.
Billy is MY paw paw, for you northern idiots that means GRANDDADDY
@@questcreditsolutions7586 Christopher P Johnson, representative of the 32nd district of South Dakota is trying to steal my photos of my blood grandfather. He has hired folks to mess up my truck he is a liar, Jesus I woke one day to find my Chevy Truck Avalanche 2013 Black Diamond Series now had a welded on Radio antenna, you tell me.. he still don’t know shit and never will. I will take the truth the facts to the grave if I have too. I am tired of the Brady, Bigalow type greedy Lincoln loven not knowing shit about true history. Greed is what got Lincoln moving not the black man, trust he could give a shit he did the largest lynching with Santa suit native Americans 38 young men lynched at once that was Lincoln he didn’t care about black men either all he cared about was he wanted in on the new cotton mills that Europe was making it’s a money thing America is built on a lie and Billy the kid is my grandpa whether you believe it or not I didn’t really give a shit but it is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God and you Christopher P Johnson and your son Trevor will burn in hell in Lake of fire you know what you doing you know how many Native Americans you burn and you will continuously burn people especially women and you know what you know what you’re doing you know you’re doing wrong got ain’t gonna open them pearly gates from you and you are getting into that age bracket not as old as me right behind me maybe but not as old I am your elder as far as I’m concerned you can go straight to hell on a smoken wagon. I place it in Gods hands and like Billy and Jesse if I can’t be their voice to save horses wolves and children, that’s on you. Enjoy life as you know it Liar ! At least I will be at the feet of my relatives MY ancestors YOUR A WALKIG LIE AS IS TOUR SON TREVOR, LOW LIFE THIEVES, never forget the 2 thieves nailed beside Jesus, one was forgiven, the other NOT. You can’t stop being evil sneaky with hidden agendas. Yah think God don’t REALLY know your heart your intentions ?? Something to ponder on…your a scab your son a blood sucking insect. Oh your not gonna run again, well ain’t that something you don’t want to be a politician anymore and represent the 32nd district because you don’t want Kota news to find out you don’t want the governor to find out you don’t want to be another one because there’s been two politicians you’ve been kicked out of office but for drinking and running someone down what’s the difference between what they did and what you have done and been doing and will continue to do you don’t need to be a politician anymore you don’t even need your stupid pawn Zim do you know why cause you’re living off of blood money my blood not yours, that verbal was a lie bet Echo Johnson is your relation, my sweet maintenance man who fked up my truck as I slept , yup your relationship
Great talk Michael! You really hit the jackpot with that revelation that Paulita was in Pete's bedroom prior to the Kid's killing. Regarding the Kid's romantic pursuits, have you ever heard of the story that that he was involved with a woman in Las Vegas? Not sure where I read about it but perhaps it was in Utley's book on the Kid. The story goes that the Kid was visiting a married woman in Las Vegas who seemed to love to "entertain" the outlaws. She was going thru a divorce at the time and that is how the story came to light during court testimony. Apparently, when the husband found out about her extra curricular activities, he petitioned the court to take the children away from her. The Kid was named as one of her "customers". Court records do exist and hopefully, some researcher like yourself could still dig up some details about this. I am hoping to purchase your books soon. I really appreciate you quest for digging deeply into the what I like to call the "minutiae of history" Best Regards.
I do remember that....if memory serves the guy's name might have been Webb? I'd have to look it up and yes, it's in Utley's book. I think Billy probably could find a girl to put up with just about anywhere in the territory. With no Facebook or Instagram, it wasn't like the other girls were going to find out anyway. Just imagine Billy's Facebook page though? :-)
Paulita does mention "a matron in Las Vegas " without naming who she was --- Manuela Bowdre she places in the Capitan.
@@kerrylangman214 I am hoping that some intrepid researcher could study the court records which detail the “affair” between the woman & The Kid!
somebody wrote somewhere that, the child of Billy & Paulita, was a girl and she died at 16 in 1897. The numbers add up!😊
Mr Giudicissi: thank you so much for doing this research. Re: your question “Will any new bombshell discoveries happen in this story?” I think it’s possible. I’m 60 and my great-grandparents were the next generation under Billy’s, (born circa 1890). It’s still entirely possible somebody could find a family Bible or some previously unknown hand-written letters, etc. among a grandparent or great-grandparent’s belongings. People tend to forget having such things, especially if dementia is a factor, in latter years. Example: in the house my family lived in, in the 1970’s, we found a letter that had been sent to a previous owner, telling them about Lincoln’s assassination. Heads-up: the SMITHSONIAN likes to keep things secret, for some reason, and they end up with MANY such artifacts but they never revise the historical record. There is a power at work that likes to conceal whatever can be concealed. There just is. Also, if you proved Billy didn’t die in 1881, the museum and gravesite at Ft Sumner immediately get discredited. You won’t find many people there who want to make that happen. I’ve been there several times and the guy who does the tour at the museum is adamant that Garret’s story is the real deal. Good luck sir, you’re doing a fine job!
You're right, of course. There is a discovery sitting out there somewhere right now. Maybe the more we talk about the story of The Kid, it prompts someone to take interest and they go rummaging through their attic. Then, maybe we find something that hasn't been seen in 140 years!?
@@MankindMediaLLC : Yep! It happens just like that. 👍
I had the old 19th Century McCarty family Bible in my hand. It went to someone other than me and has been lost. It was full of names and important dates of old West McCarty's. I was told by my father and grandfather that Billy was a member of our McCarty family. My great great grandfather Elijah McCarty told my dad, H.E. McCarty that he had a brother who died in Andersonville prison. He did, and his name was John McCarty of the 6th Indiana Volunteer Infantry. I have seen John McCarty's grave in that huge cemetery at Andersonville. It holds 13,000 grave stones, most with the name of the deceased. That cemetery was Sara Barton's first project. She insured that the dead were named and are therefore a part of the history of the Civil War. John McCarty was, I think, the father of the Kid. Bible lost so can't prove it.
@@stevemccarty6384 : wow! That is awesome!👍🙌🇺🇸
If he was in a relationship with Paulita it also explains him hesitating in firing his pistol in her brothers bedroom! He would not have been wanting to put a potential future family member at high risk.
Very good point...and I never considered that.
As the story goes Paulita also had a bedroom in the house that Billy was killed in. She was awakened by the ruckus outside her room and ran, along with Deluvina into her brother's bedroom. Someone lit a candle and they saw the Kid's body sprawled out on the floor. Deluvinia pounded Garrett on his chest shouting that he had "Killed my boy". She called him a "piss pot". Paulita was in there too. A crowd gathered and Poe and Garrett feared for their lives. Maybe Kip McKinny too. The Kid's body was carried to a carpenter's shop and laid out on a table, where the women prepared it for burial which took place the following day. Some men dug the grave the following morning. An inquest was held and the government men were exonerated of murder. Women sat candles around Billy's body and prayed over him until he was taken to the cemetery. For many years Billy's grave was marked with a plain wooden cross. Deluvinia put flowers on it for decades. The grave was probably not where we see it today, but it is close by. I met a fellow 35 years ago who said he knew one of the fellows who buried the Kid. He told me that he knew the location of the actual grave. Sadly this gent passed in the early 90s. He had been a cop around there after WWII. His name was Nick Jackson.
Something drew The Kid to Ft Sumner that night. He had to know he was taking a chance that Garret would be waiting there. Likewise, Garret knew The Kid, for sure, would be coming to Ft Sumner. They both knew something that history has lost or covered-up. Paulita may have had reason, for her children’s sake, to take the secret to the grave with her.
I don't think Billy thought or knew that Garrett and his small posse was at Fort Sumner. He had been hiding out on the prairie camping with cowboys. He always feel relatively safe while in Fort Sumner. Most of its citizens where Hispanic, fans of the Kid. So Billy showed up, sometime after dark and tied up his horse. He walked to the kitchen where he me Deluvinia who was a servant. He said he was hungry. She told him where was a beef hanging on the porch. She handed him a knife, telling him to cut himself a steak and she'd cook it up for him. He dropped his pistol belt and kicked off his boots and in his stocking feet jogged over to the porch. He noticed the men sitting on the porch, probably smoking. Billy walked right by them and they kinda said, "Hi". Pete Maxwell's bedroom was right there. He ducked inside, to ask Maxwell who those guys outside were. He didn't notice Garrett at first, who was sitting at the head of Pete's bed asking the sleeping man if he knew the whereabouts of the Kid. Billy probably didn't notice Garrett who was only a few feet away. Pete said to Garrett something like, "That's him!". Garrett said he recognized the kid's voice when he was asking him who those guys outside were. The sheriff pulled his Colt and shot the kid center mass. He fell flat on his face and died. Then all hell broke loose!
As a native New Mexican, Billy had Rockstar status during the latter part of his life. No woman at times would have turned down an opportunity to be with him. No doubt, he did indeed return to ft. Summer bc of a woman. Paulita
Paulita was retelling the conversation that they had after the killing of Billy. Garrett & Poe both stated they had to hide out at the Maxwell house all night after the killing as they sensed there might be retaliation. The conversation with Garrett was not before the killing.
Probably so...but again, why would Garrett be so focused on why Kid was in Sumner after he was already dead? Why would Pete stop Paulita from saying anything? Why would Pete allow his sister to stand there in his room while Garrett and Poe expected to be mobbed by Billy's friends in the same spot?
It doesn't seem so curious to me. It seems like something you would talk about after such a traumatic event. it would seem weird to me to not talk about it. What the hell was he doing here, Pete? I would ask that. Paulita said, in Nobles notes, she was standing next to Pete's chair. Not his bed. She never said his bedroom. They could have been in any room of the house. And she said Garrett asked WHY the kid was in town, not IF he was in town. This is the give away that it was asked after he killed him.
I also don't find it strange she was in the house after. It's where she lives.
I just read Jim East's account of Paulita kissing Billy very compelling evidence
It could have been a joke, but it sure doesn't seem it from what East reported.
When dealing with Paulita's comment in 1925/1926 one must remember that she is a mature adult, looking back at her youth. So when she states things like, "I was not in love with him" she may be telling the truth... from the perspective of a grown woman looking back at a young girl's feelings. The statement that neither had thoughts of marriage also does not mean much, as Billy was playing the field so he definitely didn't and so she was accepting of that. Her statement that basically she would go to the ends of the earth for Billy does say it all however. And stating that she was not Billy's sweetheart is probably 100% true considering he probably was playing the field. No girl was his "sweetheart". Billy was the sweatheart of several women, (probably), but not vice versa.
The acting on your movie the verdict in the trial Billy the kid or whatever you call it is damn good I rented it last night and it’s an outstanding job of acting and bringing evidence and I agree with it
Thank you! Much appreciated....
There have been several accounts by family members of people that were involved in the buriel of Bill that Pat had hid inder a bench and shot billy with a shot gun. It makes sense that Pat had a conversation with both Pete and Paulita before he shot Billy. I have always believed that Pat did indeed shoot Billy with a shot gun. I feel as though Paulita was in love with Billy but he was in love with someone else.
Pat Garrett at 6'4" laying under a bench?? And still having room to maneuver a 12 gauge shotgun around, and shoot it accurately?? Sorry, I don't think so.
I am so happy I found your channel. I believe she was in love him.
My 2nd great grandmother was Paulitas sister, Odilia Maxwell
Cool! Any inside stories to hand down?
@@MankindMediaLLC yes sir many. For quiet some time the adobe home that Luz Maxwell built In 1894, down the road from the old fort. It was used to claim Billy was killed there. They even charged a quarter to walk into one of the rooms claimed to be it. My dad growing up used to talk about a lot in the 1960’s and 70’s. Although the Maxwell and Abreu family’s said it wasn’t Billy the kid but another man named Billy. They also said that Pat Garret hid under a loveseat style chair in the hallway and basically blowed the man’s head off with a double barrel shotgun. I have relatives in Albuquerque who are in their upper 80’s now who has gained money from the sale of the furnishings of Pete Maxwells room. They were sold in the 1990’s to someone in California. Word from the family has been consistent about Brushy Bill Robert’s from Hico, tx being the real Billy the Kid!
@@jimmiethomas7194 Interesting about the loveseat. I've seen one that Paulita had in the back room of the old museum near the cemetery....I wonder if that was the one?
@@MankindMediaLLC I’ve been told that it was that one. Most people don’t realize that because the home was originally a officers quarters that it had a long hallway down the center with rooms to the left and right off that hallway. Pat Garret hid underneath the furniture in the dark to avoid a gunfight. The story of him being shot in Pete’s bedroom was made up to make it look as though it was not a ambush.
@@jimmiethomas7194 that's pretty wild because I literally had my hands on that thing when we filmed in the old museum building! We were instructed not to sit on it....but it was very cool just to have it there.
I agree but there is one thing I do believe I believe her son was Billy the Kid's son they conceived that boy but he grew up without ever knowing about his real father until he probably he found some papers and then found out and learn the truth
I think your argument that Telesfor's birth date was recorded as later than it actually was to make it impossible for him to be BTK's son, is very pursuasive.
I hadn't heard any of this, and just ran across Telesfor's pic on Findagrave, and was thinking exactly this! Gotta listen to this video now. :)
Seems like every kid-afficionado, even historians, copies and reprints this picture (the large one) in their literature as being of Paulita Maxwell, although it clearly shows a teenager in mid to late 1860s attire and hairstyle! It most likely shows Paulitas oldest sister Virginia. Just compare this pic with others of her! Probably because it was found in Paulitas album, and because it shows a similar looking, but prettier girl than Palita probably was.
She was from a rich family. I think he was out of her league financially and i dont think her family would approve and maybe she thought about the life she had and the life she would of had with billy big difference
In the desert people moved around after dark
because it was cooler.
Garrett was not in Pete's room.
He was in Paulita's room.
Pete did not want Billy for a brother in law,
so he sicced Garrett on Billy.
Garrett shot twice. The second bullet missed Billy
and hit a piece of furniture that was in Paulita's room.
He ran out of the room and sent a woman back
to see if Billy was dead.
Paulita applied the granny filter that women use
to make their past seem more respectable.
Paulita did it. Josephine Marcus Earp did it. And my
granny did it.
Burns wrote that the Maxwell house had been scavenged
before 1926 by a rancher who wanted the wood to
build his own house. Your project to restore it will
take a lot of doing.
what supporting evidence do you have for your assertion?
Billy was a billy goat.
The evidence that he was in Paulita's room
was that according to Paulita's servant girl,
one of Garrett's bullets hit a piece of furniture
in Paulita's room, and the men sent the servant
in to see if Billy was dead.
@@arailway8809 Brushy Bill was a liar, but so was pat garret who lied to preserve the reputation of Paulita Maxwel who was anybody's dog that would hunt with her, the truth is Billy was shot in the back during an intimate moment with her that left her with an abdominal scar, and later a daughter called Gringa Retardo, in English this means white with developmental disabilities, who would later commit suicide, After Billy was killed a blood stained mattress was burned the morning after in the yard. John Poe was sent to purchase a new one that morning, and Pauline was not at Billys wake or burial because she was bandaged and bleeding. The story that was told later was all a version to erase the fact that Garett back shot Billy during coitus and kept the Maxwells from enduring the shame of their girl being the ranch bicycle, these are documented historical facts. That Mattress purchase the morning after is all anyone needs to think about, that and that no one gets shot at close range and hangs on to a pistol in one hand and a knife in the other, or that shooting someone standing causes the bullet to travel from the lower back up to the heart, that happens when someone is prone shot in the back and busy. Adella was Billy’s daughter, After William Bonney’s death in 1881, Paulita Maxwell married José Felix Jaramillo on January 14, 1883. They had three children, but he was abusive, and she eventually left the marriage. Jose often punched her bullet scarred belly and is believed to have forced himself on Adella who killed herself at the age of 16. “There was no use chasing him in that country with the start he had,” Garrett later said. “I waited until I thought he would reach his sweethearts at the Maxwell ranch house, and-I got him. Paulita said,” They asked my brother Pete why the Kid was in Fort Sumner, he shook his head and said he did not know., but he merely wanted to save Garrett the embarrassment. He knew., and I knew. I was standing beside his chair at the time and would have answered the question if Pete, with a look, had not warned me to keep my mouth shut." Also, fun fact about Garret's story is the floor plan of the old US Army officers' quarters that was then after the Maxwell house, shows no exterior door to Pete’s room. To this day no one has ever been able to explain the military officer's mattress purchase in the expense report submitted by John W Poe Ask yourself if you believe a shot from a .44 at close range in the back would mean you could hang on to a pistol and a knife and the bullet path would go from the lower back and then shoot up towards the heart. How does someone enter a room where no door exist? Why spend the night barricaded in a room in fear, unless you have done something cowardly and wrong wounding a pregnant girl in process. Did you know that Poe ended up being Sheriff the following year and that Garrett named his son after Poe?
James East (Billy's guard in Ft Sumner) made the romantic connection between Paulita and BTK in a letter to Siringo who published his story of BTK in 1920 without naming Paulita directly -- East also described Paulita as a little" stout like her mother..." as can be seen from photograghs.
I have recently discovered this myself and has given me a lot more clarity I had my doubts now I am absolutely convinced
Did pat go to Paulita first? did she take him to see her brother? how much time did he stay in the room? some say pat used a shotgun not a pistol and i think he did because he knew Billy was faster and very accurate but a shotgun douible barreled..two shots were heard..could make a mess with the face and upper body...Billy may not have been there that night.....
Not sure about going to see Paulita first? I’m not sure how that would have gone over with Pete. Pat said he was in Pete’s room for a very short time before billy arrived on the porch.
@@MankindMediaLLC yeah i haven't done alotta research but always looking for info..pat's story is alittle enhanced Im sure and maybe the wrong Billy got shot and a 12 00 buckshot can mangle a face especially when 1st shot put him down then the fatal shot..pat would not risk a pistol shot...I think he got away the day before..he knew they would show up and he staed 9 weeks? thanks for your work and post..Im reading!!
Sorry for all the questions! I know Billy's mother came from Ireland...do you know what part of Ireland? And has anybody gone back to Ireland to do any research on Billy the kids mom? I'm sure she still has family there! My great grandmother came with her three sisters from Ireland and one sister went back to Ireland! I do have a lot of family there in fact they came to visit me one year... unfortunately, looking for Sunshine when they landed however, it rained for 2 weeks while they were visiting me in New Jersey!
No need to apologize! I don't know that Katherine has ever been tracked to her home village in Ireland....or that she was definitely from there (could have been England)...but someone else might know about that research? Where in NJ? I was born and raised in Palisades Park!
@@MankindMediaLLC Elizabeth! Katherine if more information could be found on her I think a lot more questions perhaps could be answered just saying...✌️🇲🇽
What do you think of Chano Silva saying it was Deluvina?
No idea. Half of what he said was clearly made up legend stuff.
Esta muy bien el video cuenta muchos detalles pero cual es el fondo de la question
Billy worked for her brother. They grew up together. They were not sweethearts. Pete's mom spoke of Billy like a son. Paulita was the riches woman in Fort Sumner, which made her the Belle of Fort Sumner.
Cynthia, I like your take on this. both Pat and Billy worked for Pete at the same time. That's when they became friends. Concerning William and Paulita, they grew up together, correct! there was 7 years between them. again they could not have been sweethearts. Correct again!.... Deluvina was only a year between William??? Now put all the stories that you've heard about Deluvina and Billy and see if something come to mind......??
@@michaelram2634 I researched Billy, where he lived and why Chisholm chose to send him to Tunstalls. I never put much thought into who Billy dated. Or who Deluvina was. I have only recently looked at Billy's love interests. Seems there was a few that claim to have had his children. What are your thoughts on Deluvina?
@@cynthiawashburn771 Deluvina was Williams interest.
@@cynthiawashburn771 Billy wasn't killed that night. Maxwell family secret.
@@michaelram2634 I have heard that. And I think there is something to that. But I have also seen some proof Billy didn't go to Fort Sumner at all and Garrett knew that.
She was reliving something she could not talk about wow
"As Shakespeare said "tho.doth protest.too much".... Paulita !
The 1926 interview was an opportunity for Paulita to counter accusations made by Siringo in print some years before that left no doubt who he was referring to without actually naming her....
Telisfor was originally her brother-in-law who died young but not as young as he could have --- thanks to BTK...
Like any good bartender on the make -- Pat Garrett convinced John Chisum that he was the man to rid the Pecos of BTK --
as Paulita said: his only qualification was familiarity
with the Kid and having been an unsuccessful buffalo hunter....
Couldnt Garret have asked why the kid was there after he had shot him, it explains why she was also there next to the chair and the look to stay quiet.
Sure...he could have...except Garrett talks about how he and his men barricaded themselves in the room with the dead man, afraid of being attacked by his friends. I wonder if Pete would allow his sister to have a conversation in the very room where the Sheriff was expecting to be ambushed in?
@@MankindMediaLLC perhaps it was in the immediate aftermath when they would have come to the sounds of gunfire a d Garret would start with his questions of them as to why the kid was there ? Just a possibility. We infer much but from the basic text there is nothing to suggest it was before or after the shooting.
It's also perhaps more likely. As questioning them before the shooting would raise the awareness of him and his men being there. Any officer at a crime scene would do much the same.
As for barricading himself in overnight, this would probably not dismiss possibilities of asking questions of those present in their home.
Paulita's denial of any romance between her and Billy -- is consistent with Brushy not mentioning her at all....surely
Brushy would have followed the popular narrative to garner support for his claims.... he does mention Deluvina Maxwell who
Jesus Silva ( Maxwell's forman) did say was Billy's girlfriend.
It's got nothing to do with Brushy Bill cause he wasn't Billy the Kid !
Yes Paulita was the kids girl friend.. even though she denied in it the 1920s.
To protect her family
She was his girl.
How many of the other ladies can say Billy
Was killed in their home and possibly in their bedroom lol.
Brushy Bill was a liar, but so was pat garret who lied to preserve the reputation of Paulita Maxwel who was anybody's dog that would hunt with her, the truth is Billy was shot in the back during an intimate moment with her that left her with an abdominal scar, and later a daughter called Gringa Retardo, in English this means white with developmental disabilities, who would later commit suicide, After Billy was killed a blood stained mattress was burned the morning after in the yard. John Poe was sent to purchase a new one that morning, and Pauline was not at Billys wake or burial because she was bandaged and bleeding. The story that was told later was all a version to erase the fact that Garett back shot Billy during coitus and kept the Maxwells from enduring the shame of their girl being the ranch bicycle, these are documented historical facts. That Mattress purchase the morning after is all anyone needs to think about, that and that no one gets shot at close range and hangs on to a pistol in one hand and a knife in the other, or that shooting someone standing causes the bullet to travel from the lower back up to the heart, that happens when someone is prone shot in the back and busy. Adella was Billy’s daughter, After William Bonney’s death in 1881, Paulita Maxwell married José Felix Jaramillo on January 14, 1883. They had three children, but he was abusive, and she eventually left the marriage. Jose often punched her bullet scarred belly and is believed to have forced himself on Adella who killed herself at the age of 16. “There was no use chasing him in that country with the start he had,” Garrett later said. “I waited until I thought he would reach his sweethearts at the Maxwell ranch house, and-I got him. Paulita said,” They asked my brother Pete why the Kid was in Fort Sumner, he shook his head and said he did not know., but he merely wanted to save Garrett the embarrassment. He knew., and I knew. I was standing beside his chair at the time and would have answered the question if Pete, with a look, had not warned me to keep my mouth shut." Also, fun fact about Garret's story is the floor plan of the old US Army officers' quarters that was then after the Maxwell house, shows no exterior door to Pete’s room. To this day no one has ever been able to explain the military officer's mattress purchase in the expense report submitted by John W Poe Ask yourself if you believe a shot from a .44 at close range in the back would mean you could hang on to a pistol and a knife and the bullet path would go from the lower back and then shoot up towards the heart. How does someone enter a room where no door exist? Why spend the night barricaded in a room in fear, unless you have done something cowardly and wrong wounding a pregnant girl in process. Did you know that Poe ended up being Sheriff the following year and that Garrett named his son after Poe?
The story that Billy and Paulita were scheming to elope to Old Mexico is probably true. Paulita probably discounted the story because he was a villain and a known killer. Not exactly a story to be proud of.
Ok I’ve not read about her but wow this is telling, I often wondered if garrett married Billy the kids sweetheart or whatever but she was there a slip of the word, she was going to be with him wow oh wow that is intense yep she said it right there
Pete's room was pitch dark, so how could Paulita be able to see Pete "shoot her a look"? IF she was indeed in the room, which she probably was not. BUT if she was in there, then there was definitely something else a foot. To lure Billy in???
So most people believe this happened AFTER the shooting. I'm not 100% on that.....but if so, yeah...someone lit a candle.
And so she did go to the end of her world for him
Belle of Ft Sumner due to her being the unmarried daughter of Lucien Maxwell -- patriarch
of the local hispanic community....Paulita mentions girls being chaparoned by their mothers --- none more so than her whose mother became matriarch of the family ....
Paulita mentions a "girl" being born that looked much like Billy
and the mother being very proud of the fact but that the child only lived to see 8 years. .. I think Paulita wanted to depict -- as well as her knowledge of BTK ---
Hispanic values that she herself possessed : although
she kept a photo album -- she never kept the tin type of Billy.....
which is odd as she kept the knife he was carrying
Did Paulita speak good English?
Paulita was 1/4 Hispanic....and by all accounts she spoke English quite well.
What about the other girl miss Garcia?
Just as Sallie Chisum was the Princess of the Pecos to many a cowboy (and spoke favorably
of "Willie" Bonney ) --- you just know BTK was not acceptable to her family and station in life. .... even more so with Paulita Maxwell : she married into a prosperous and respected
Hispanic family and could never divorced her husband because of her Catholic faith :
Both women eventually had failed marriages....
She had to lie because it was Jose's baby she had to keep up with the facade!
While Paulita certainly was attractive, (IMO) she was not in the same league as the TRUE Belle of Ft. Sumner (IMO), Abrana Garcia! WOLF WHISTLE!! 💕
Well.....the Belle of Ft Sumner ain't like the Belle of NYC or Chicago. She didn't have that many competitors to beat out.
Something came to me while listening to you I have a theory but can’t explain here obviously I want to just run my theory by you
I just started my fascination with this part of history, so I know that you are far more educated on details facts ect but I really feel like somethings just dropped in my lap
Right as you made it clear she was in that room which after her words and something you said
It came to me !
and I thought you were going to say it ! I don’t think you even realized
Would love a chance to send you an email with my thoughts
You never know it could be And epiphany moment
If you don’t want to put your email here I understand I can leave mine
You can reach me at billythekidridesagain@gmail.com
@@MankindMediaLLC did u get two separate emails from me ?
I’m an artist 100% Tech savvy challenged
It shows I sent two emails but each went to a different address
Entonces no se sabe a ciencia cierta que paso
I am not sure why you don’t get with the story. I am at 8 minutes of talk. Most people don’t want to hear this stuff.
Then leave. Surprised you didn’t figure out on your own.
She was there because she lived there. She heard gun shots and they all meet up to talk, Yes Celsa was Pat's sister in law, that's what she meant.Any one who thinks Billy lived on to be a old man is just wrong. He was shot and killed by Pat. WAY to many people there who saw and heard what happened. One of them would have spilled the beans by now. So let the poor guy rest, to many lies and cover ups. He lived hard and died hard but either way he is dead, shot by Pat End of!!!
That's not what Paulita said....she stated that she was there BEFORE Billy was shot, while Pat was asking Pete why the Kid was in Sumner. What matter would it have been why he was in Sumner after he was already dead?
It was said that Pat's wife always denied Celsa was her sister ?
@@kerrylangman214 I’ve never read or heard that.
Didn't Billy die with Celsa's knife in his hand?
That depends on whose story you believe. And of course, it depends on where you believe he was prior to entering Maxwell's bedroom.
Wasn't it Poe that testified to giving the knife back to her?
Also the story about her going to the cemetery and taking the Cross doesn't come across as a lovesick young girl, I always believed it was Celsa or even Delavina...
@@jamesroden3265 I’ve thought about this also and I agree with u. If u love someone, it’s highly unlikely you will take the cross from their grave…
@@prudd72 I imagine paulita and her brother Pete making jokes about the Dead Man's ghost, very hard to think that there was any romance there or love lost
Acquaintances, nothing serious.
Billy was truly a TOMCAT for sure! I have a question, did Billy know big nose Kate?
you try to read way too much into what she said to suit your narrative.
Oh well….AOM
@@MankindMediaLLC TMPFTT LOL
Paulita was everyone’s sweetheart she dated hundreds of men 8 to 80
Tell me when you get to the funny part.
@@MankindMediaLLC billy was a transgender
@@MankindMediaLLC so was paulita
10 minutes in I changed the channel boring
Why wait ten minutes?
Well it took uou that time to actually Start the story, by that time I was falling asleep, sorry
@@tjyamaharacing7734 sweet dreams! 😂😂😂
@tjyamaharacing7734 hope you slept well