The Mysterious Death of Billy the Kid
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2023
- By 1880 The Kid was not only being hunted by Sheriff Pat Garrett and the Texas Panhandle Stock Association but the federal authorities as well. He’d be arrested, sentenced to hang, and then make one of the most daring escapes of the Old West. Little did Billy know how numbered his days truly were. In this final chapter of the Billy the Kid series, we’ll delve into the gritty details of the standoff at White Oaks, the Stinking Springs standoff, the daring escape from the Lincoln jail, the shotgun full of dimes rumor, and more! This is part 5 in a series of 5. Links below for the previous 4 installments. #wildwest #history #outlaw
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Sitting up here on my hunting property on a West Virginia mountain eating biscuits and coffee next to a fire outside and listening to tales of Billy the Kid. Life is good. Love these stories. 👌
Biscuits and coffee always hit different at hunting camp. Good luck!
Almost Heaven brother! I've been all over & no prettier sunrise than right here at home.
Sounds like a life not much different from back then lol
Sounds like a Man’s dream. Something I’ve got my wife wanting to do is moving out to the country and it’s something we plan on doing this year and I can’t wait. Be able to shoot on my own property. Be able to hunt. Be able to have biscuits and coffee next to a campfire😂👍
@@wildcat8598 you guys will never regret moving to the country. I used to live in downtown Cincinnati , but moved 40 minutes out into the country and I love it.
Hunting , fishing , boating , camping and camp fired , animals to raise if you prefer , get ya a good ole dog to pal with , bonfires with friends , shoot some guns , and just enjoy the peace and quiet of nature. It’s a lot less stressful raising kids and having to worry about them in the city life. All around it’s a lot better and a healthier life as well.
Hope y’all enjoy
Best series on Billy the kid hands down.
My favourite Wild West story teller after a long 12 hr shift (UK) .......time to unwind and chill....perfect end to the day ❤
I’ve been infatuated with Billy the kid since I was 8 years old… I’ve been to NM and have seen all the sites and read every book I could find… this is hands down the best series I’ve ever seen on the subject
Thank you, that means a lot
Heroes are remembered and legends never die.
As enjoyable listening. Great history telling.
Brilliantly narrated and composed as always.
Thanks for listening
Sunrise and coffee from the front porch in The Great Dismal Swamp of VA accompanied by Josh telling great stories. Good start to the day. Keep it up man.
Proud to have you listening
Enjoyed this series (especially as a history fan but not one primarily into the Wild West) and the fact that you're much more aware of the amount of romanticism added into many stories and characters from the past. I love a good story and sometimes separating fact from fiction is nearly impossible but I think a lot of channels don't even try. Very well done!
Thank you Archibald (if that is your real name)
@@WildWestExtravaganza 100%. I come by first name honestly, the "family" name was won by my grandfather in a card game is what my dad told me (but both are/were heavy drinkers and not adverse to telling tall tales so....ya know...just as likely he was running from the law and changed his name to something that sounded "honest").
Yeah the dimes don’t make sense considering how many shotgun shells you could buy with that many dimes
Excellent point sir!
Lol ah yes there's that.
Damage to body.. Bird shot survivable, 12 gauge lethal, few dimes rip body to shit
@@shawnkillrow a dime would have poor ballistics
@@shawnkillrow nope. Mythbusters tried it. A couple scratches, one dime stuck in a wound. Even with that it wasn't deep.
Hurt like a mother fucker? Sure.
Deadly? Maybe if your hit in the head. But many things are like that.
Awesome! Well done. Enjoyed every minute.
Glad you enjoyed it!
It was refreshing to learn Mr. Emilio pretty much nailed the personality of ole Hank the Sneaky Snake in his movie(s) portrayal. Thinking maybe I'll chose to believe the "gun hidden in the outhouse" version of the story simply because it's such a good one. Excellent series, thanks.
Good mornin!
Thank you for your informative and very entertaining podcast. You have a gift for telling stories and I look forward to reviewing all of your stories of the Old West. Thanks again from New York and look forward to your future. God bless!!
Thanks from Texas
Hey Josh...Much like the Regulators and Sheriff Brady, You came out swinging for the fences with this series on the Kid, and as far as I'm concerned, you sure knocked it out of the park!!! GREAT WORK all around from beginning to end...I just wish there had been more!!! Thank You SO MUCH!!!! p.s. This will be the third time I've tried to comment and I hope this one sticks.
This one stuck
Josh, this is a great one and many thanks!
Thank you!
Ohhh brother this is just what I needed after having to sit all gussied up in my uniform for a looonnnggg day of court. Josh you always come in the clutch with great episodes!! Can’t wait for the next series and newsletter! Thanks for all your hard work on these!
Thanks for listening!
Thanks for doing your job!
I never considered myself a Wild West kind of guy but your very informative and entertaining narration of this part of history has turned me into a fan.
Thank you
Good morning gents, starting the morning off with coffee and a new episode.
Morning!
Josh you did a great job telling about Billy The Kid. There is a lot of mystery, and legend surrounding him, and some things we'll probably never know. But you did a great job at bringing forth the facts that we know are true. Billy The Kid will always be one of my favorite topics. Thanks Josh.
Thanks Michael
So great!!
Enjoyed the series!
Great Stuff!! I definitely will be listening to more of your videos
Many thanks
As soon as I read the title, for some odd reason J just knew this would be the last episode 😊... Epic telling of an epic tale. And good on you for thoroughly busting the "barrel o' dimes" myth; it's a great bit ("Hello Bob..."), but not really likely, or even possible. You've outdone yourself with this one, good effin' job!
Thanks man
Great series. A huge thankyou from Aberdeen, Scotland
Hello Scotland
Love it great job sir!!!!
Glad you like it!
Good stuff Josh please keep them coming.T.C.B. 🤟
Another great series of videos my friend
Thank you Jared
I been listening to brother since 2020 best one yet amigo.
Thanks!
Thanks!
Welcome!
I've been binging your videos for a couple of days now. While your research seems to be pretty thorough, its your delivery that really hooked me. I'm a public historian. I do this stuff professionally, giving tours and lectures, creating videos, etc.... I have almost an identical approach as you. I just can't curse. Crass jokes and self deprecating humor go a long way... most of the time. LOL.
Thanks man! Where do you give tours at? That sounds like a great job.
@@WildWestExtravaganza I work at Fort Dobbs State Historic Site in Statesville, NC. If you ever find yourself this side of the Mississippi, stop by!
Amazing my friend
Big thanks
Hey mane da video be good and dis brotha's voice be smooth
Hell yeah
You nailed it with that neverland comment at the end. Ain't it the truth.
Good Stuff
Just recently came across this channel. Great stuff, dude.. 🍻
Hey, thanks!
Great series on the kid Josh.
Thank you, sir
Yes dimes at that range from a 12ga barrel would be fluttering pretty good by then. I dont think they would be lethal but it really depends on how they were loaded. With the proper wad they could absolutely be lethal but that would be quite the custom load. Something that had been practiced. For example ive seen a load of thumbtacks barely piercing cardboard at 15yrds. Same person same gun some rounds later, the refined thumbtack load making a good mess of a watermelon at 15. Basically if they stay close together its better.
Well done
Thank you
Holy Smoke...I knew Wilson Pickett was the best singer who ever lived but I had NO IDEA he rode with Billy The Kid...wait..MUSTANG Sally Sally Chisom...I need to look into this...Thanks for the tip Josh...this could be big!
He was a young man who fought against corrupt system and we have a bigger corrupt system now
Just got through the series. It was so well narrated and interesting.
Thanks!
Good job
Thanks
Boca, the man who told about Billy’s escape from the court house, was a juror in one of Billy’s previous trials
Fun Fact: Johnny Mack Brown was a famous great football player at Alabama. While they were in California to play the Rose bowl, he was approached bc of his good looks, by a movie Agent and the rest is history. Johnny Mack played mostly western B movies.
I did not know that
Make sure you all catch this movie Old Henry . Kinda Billy didn’t die drama but really good . Even pays respect to Billys mom dying of tuberculosis great flick.
Your right killer movie!
I don't believe in bushy Roberts but that was a great movie
@@Yup71719 me either but your right this was a cool movie. I never even put Brushy Bill in the equation, I looked at it like Billy & Garrett worked out a deal separate from Brushy Bill ever being involved.
I never get tired of western history you channel is Awesome. Thank you for the research and the history lesson.
Thank you Russ
Good one beaver . You ever watch the val kilmer Billy the kid movie bsck in the day 89 Val did good Billy
Yep Lew Wallace was writing Ben Hur at the time or shortly after. Good book by the way.
Great movie too !
@@silverwave2238 the first on definitely. Liked the ending of the remake, didn’t line up with the book
Joined!
Hell yeah
It was the Victorian Era. My guess is, Garrett and Pete Maxwell were trying to save Pauline Maxwell's reputation.
“John W. Poe, Cattleman’s Association.”
“Incumbered by igits, we pressed on.”
“That’s very good. I like that.”
If you know, you know. If you do, you can tell I’ve seen both Young Guns once or twice.😂
I actually can understand why the kid was buried quickly and my always respected pat Garrett as my grandad always called him the rat catcher of the wild west, surely bonny knew by hanging around new Mexico his death was in the post, brushy bill was the kid (my ass), absolute wonderful series on Billy bonny well done very enjoyable.
Best On Billie the Kid . I wish Billie had got away AKA Brushy bill Roberts . The History is amazing. Pat Garrett was a liar . He knew Billie . The legend was born when he died . Thank you for your Story . Amazing story , Your the Best . God bless you
Mythbusters tried the dime thing.
Your body might be in pain but that's about all. Only one dime stayed in the wound. All were little more than scratches.
Morning
Morning
No reason on earth that weapon should not fire safely and likely accurately. Probably .44-40, the round that really won the West.
Which?
@@WildWestExtravaganza .44-40 was chambered both in handguns and lever action rifles/carbines. Wells Fargo required passengers some routes to carry 2 revolvers 1 rifle and 200 rounds ammo (Think Mangus Colorados neighborhood after that dumbass Lt. thought he'd hold him)
Yes sir
Dropping 6mil on a pistol you damn crazy if you think I won't shoot it
Great series Josh. Really enjoyed this series on Billy The Kid. I haven't read Billy the Kid A Short and Violent Life yet but do have Billy The Kid The Endless Ride by Michael Wallis that I really enjoyed. Just curious about something, just your opinion but do you think that things really happened that night like Pat Garrett said that they did? I am in no way a believer of Brushy Bill Roberts but can't help but wonder if Pat Garrett was telling the truth about what happened that night, I have read people's claims that Pat Garrett shot Billy the Kid with a shotgun and one person I had read claimed that Billy The Kid was actually shot and killed in Paulita Maxwell bedroom and was moved to Pete's bedroom because they didn't want the locals to know that he was sleeping with Paulita Maxwell.
I honestly don't know. My opinion is Garrett 100% killed the Kid. Outside of that I don't think there's enough evidence to prove it happened differently than he said. If anything the idea Billy was unarmed and shot completely by ambush is likely but we don't know.
Never heard that about the pork belly. that would be the scound time in history i have heard of frying pig stoped a a hold up suisuation.
This narrator has done his homework in this expose', and I like to see these down-to-earth interpretations. For details alluded to by the narrator such as the almost unknown counterfeit ring, the continual chase by the lawmen, the details of Billy's capture by the Stewart-Garrett posse at Stinking Spring, accolades and presentation of gifts to Garrett and Stewart in Law Vegas, and more, refer to our new book just out, "Chasing Billy the Kid: Frank Stewart and the Untold Story of the Manhunt for William H. Bonney", available from Old West Books, PO Box 759, Apache, OK 73006. Thanks for this opportunity, keep up the good work.
I'd like to get my hands on a copy
Youte a badass, sir 👊👏❤️🇺🇸
For a long time I wanted the myth to be true.But that was the part of me that also wanted Young Guns to be true too.
Now I firmly believe Billy The Kid died in Maxwell's house. However I also believe Pat's story isn't the truth. That doesn't mean I believe there's some conspiracy or crazy shit that went down. I just think Pat had a purpose that night. It's also funny to me how no one brings up the point that the kid was essentially murdered. I know it was a different time and all that and I don't argue the fact the kid had crossed over. But once again, Pat had a purpose. And it was to kill this little shit. His story is that it all happened so fast and he fired his gun, not once but twice, without really knowing what was going on. It might just be this was his way of covering up his plan because he might've been just a little worried about getting out of Fort Sumner that night. Not that there was a threat there necessarily but the man might've been strategizing a little. As stated we're never going to know what happened that night for sure. But damn is it fun to speculate and wonder! That's what I love about this. Josh gives us the opportunity to do so.
I think the dimes in the shotgun is just Hollyweird crap. Dimes would spread worse than 00 buck.
That is a fact it's a worse load. But it still works. My guess is it sounded good but no one put it on paper to see the spread.
@@McDanielRanch You'd have to be very close,or the dimes would fly everywhere like Frisbee's. Plus dimes were worth a lot more than they are now. I say the story is BS.
@@stevewheatley243 I agree the shout would be expensive and not very good. Don't mean it ant true do u think billy would believe there are gold aks?.
They did try it on history Channel or something years ago it didn't have much damage on a side of beef nothing like buck shot . Flung loose not penertrate well at all when they did it
I always thought billy was already in the house in paulitas room doing their thing they finished ,,billy went to ask pete about meat mayb ,,garrett hiding killed him as a coward which he was and corrupt ,,i always thought garrett had an informer in sumner prolly pete maxwell who hated billy sparking paulita ,,no way they were doing theyre thing in the peach orchard ,,stickers, bugs, critters, bees, mosquitos, naaaaa
Hey nobody ever talks about Pete Maxwell's part in this. The Kid had worked for him in the past(?), and seemed to be welcomed at his place and on friendly terms. I know Billy and Paulita were somewhat sweethearts of the time, but I have also read that Pete was NOT HAPPY about any of it, and was more than willing to get Billy out of the picture any he could. Do you have any thoughts about this?
Well Josh, the pistol might not shoot worth a damn but people are sure getting robbed by it !
Robert Ugly any relation to Butt Ugly???
Haha, Robert UTLEY
Doesn't it seem that some influential people wanted every last remnant of the opposition from the war eradicated?....
The Lincoln County War? That's not the case, though. Most of the Regulators just left the territory. Some didnt leave at all. Jose Chavez, for example. My apologies if I'm misunderstanding your comment.
After listening to the series 2 things seem to be quite certain about Billy.
1) He was handy with a gun.
2) After hearing how often he couldn't keep his horse under him in just the last segment pretty sure he couldn't ride worth a shit other than one dead ass broke. 😅
.00 buck with both barrels with be 18 pellets.thats with a 12 gauge that is
Was it ever documented why Billy didn't drink? That was rare for those times I think
Yep, it was pretty common knowledge
Can't believe you walk into a bedroom even if it's very dark lean close to the bed and not notice someone else is there too. Something about the official story is fishy. My two cents , the kid was already in the house and came into Maxwell's bedroom when he heard a sound and who walks around the gnarly, brushy ground in their socks ??
Shot in the heart and falls on his back still holding the gun and knife in each hand . Maybe his body stiffened and held on to the weapons ? Is that possible ?
There was a full moon that night
Funny that in an age of awesome facial hair Billy apparently was clean shaven off the range
According to a journalist who interviewed him, he just had peach fuzz
Voy a ir al ritmo
Great job on this Josh.
Thanks
My big question is was it really the gun that killed the kid or just an old pistol the bartender got from some old drunk and now somebody paid 6 mil for a gun worth maybe a couple hundred just cause it's old
I suppose anything is possible but the provenance is pretty clear. The old drunk travelled with Garrett to meet Teddy Roosevelt and even spoke at his funeral.
damn haunted pistol :P
Best dollar 80 I ever spent
Money well spent...
Both times.
William S Burroughs. Quien Es?
This is a great video, the most accurate depiction of the story of Billy the Kid I have seen on You Tube.
Glad you enjoyed it
Hello Bob!
Goodbye Bob!
Being a 10 gauge it was full of nickels
Not Billy related, but I got my Lonesome Dove Woodrow F. Call Walker pistol yesterday.
Awesome!
Nice. My dad had one.
So do we have a solid connection with the McCarthy Brothers and the James gang it's interesting how they moved to NM the same time the gang got busted up
Pals
The kid skinned out promising Pat to disappear forever..... they would have paraded his body around Lincoln... hmmmmmmmm
Sure
His body was propped in his coffin in front of beaver smiths saloon from 7am until his funeral march to cemetary at 3:30 pm 200 townspeople saw it ,,there was no skinning out ,, there was no deal. Billy was killed july 14 1881
@@ermano58
I don't think so my great great grandma said she gave Billy hand service in the back of a saloon in 1891
Family story that has been passed down through generations of our family
Dimes? Well, I have been around guns all my life but never once shot a load of dimes. The trick seemed to work for Tom Hanks in News of the World--another western well worth watching. Albeit, in Hanks' case, the dimes also added enough "kick" to knock Hanks down. Perhaps real silver coinage of the 19th Century packed more punch than today's pot-metal junk? Or, maybe Hollywood used over-acting to increase the drama assuming audiences too ignorant to see through such silliness? I don't know. But, I would suggest a little subtle background music at 7:35... perhaps Midnight Hour?
Yet again, well done, Sir.
Thank you
In the movie "Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid"when the Kid kills Ollinger and you can see dimes coming out of the end of the shotgun and I think that might be where that story got started but who knows,
I think you're right
My son commented while watching the "dime-uh" bird-shot replacement scene in News of the World, the concept came right out of a Louie L'Amour story. I've no first hand knowledge of such. And I've read little Louie L'Amour. But, he's my son and I trust him.
@@WildWestExtravaganza
Josh... Come on! Marker 7:35...
Wilson Pickett. Midnight Hour. Seriously.
If Ollinger did have that shotgun loaded with dimes, it meant that he planned on being really, really close to whoever he intended to use it on, like 5 or 10 feet...and Heaven help them!!!
I don’t know if you’re familiar with Paul Harrell, but he did a segment on the nine dimes shotgun round. He’s generally pretty thorough. This one was a little abbreviated.
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I have been told the pistol that killed billy is still in time. And its in ok condition. So yes its most likely still shootable. For the shotgun with dimes. I dont find that in any way logical. Its likely The shotgun was already loaded. So why would Billy reload it with a considerable amount of money at that time. I dont know what shot gun he used. but at this time most were break open cartridge shotguns. that means he would have to cut the cartridge open to pour out the lead. then reload it with dimes. to me that doesn't make sense. it would take a long time. If it was a muzzleloader shotgun. It's possible he might throw some dimes down the barrel but just doesn't make sense. why would you do that. The lead shot or slug would do far more damage than dimes. I don't think dimes would be stable in flight. and being each dime is fairly light. most likely they slow down very quickly. I have a muzzle loading shotgun. I can test out this Theory. And let you know if its even a little bit of a good idea.
This legend likely started with Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid director Sam Peckinpah but the idea is that Olinger already had the shotgun loaded with dimes. If you google Bob Olinger shotgun you can see a photo of it, it's pretty cool looking. A 10 gauge Whitney double barrel
@@WildWestExtravaganza ok thanks. I just looked at it. Wow 10 gauge. I just cant for the life of me Figure why would you load a 10 gauge shell with dimes. For it to even be enough dimes to make it possible. that'd be several dollars worth of Dimes. That is an extremely expensive way to shoot a shotgun at that time. I personally dont think dimes would even be a good projectile. I have never done it but. I would think it would be Very inaccurate and each dime unstable. Plus it's weight versus its mass. I would think it would slow down very quickly. I will give it a shot next time i go out. I'll let you know what happens
@@WildWestExtravaganza Ollinger's shotgun recently sold for a small fortune.
Is it possible that governor lew Wallace deceived the kid?.. Naw government officials don’t engage in treacherous activities. Or do they??? The kid was foolish spending too much time in and fort summer. Rancher maxwell would have out fitted the kid with a fresh mount/pack horse/supplies. The kid could have ridden off/lived another 30 to 40 years.
I tend to agree.
So we're there any clearly defined good guys in all of this?
That depends entirely on how you define a good guy
@@WildWestExtravaganzaI guess you had to be there
Billy the kid still lives am in the north east of Scotland 🏴 Aberdeenshire boom
Huge if true!!!
Shitfier Josh you made my day.
Glad to do so
Es un Chad
MythBusters already proved that would be a non-fatal with the stacking of Dimes in the 12 G any real damage most likely not fatal you'd have to be at least 10 15 ft away we tried it on our own three out of three and couldn't get fatal results on a side of pork so I'm going to say my busted😂
Out of interest Josh. Do you believe the kid was set up that night in Fort Sumner?
I don't know but it's possible
Josh you sound a lot like Jumpsuit Pablo...
Read pats book
Ok
That is not what Poe said
What did Poe say?